Guild Wars 2

my 2 cents. I’m not 100% happy with the RNG element but I’ve warmed to it somewhat.

What IS needed is to increase the supply of exotics as happened in the Halloween event since this lowers the price of such making mystic forge gambling somewhat more palatable.

Oh and people need to realise there is a “quick” way to make a precursor (lvl 80 exotics x 4) and a “cheap” way (lvl 70-78+ exotic x 4) and stop complaining if they took the premium route.

P.S. I got mine from 4xrares, the incredibly lucky route.

wicket.2485:

ArcTheFallen.7682:

wicket.2485:

I find this kind of sad that we haven’t had an official response about the state of acquiring precursors (unless I missed it). If there isn’t a change coming in the future, then I might as well stop playing this game all together. I don’t want to be a part of future RNG systems to obtain items. I’ve only wasted 150g on the Mystic Forge and there aren’t many good ways to make money anymore. I’ve reduced myself to only doing 3-5 mystic forges per day because I don’t play as much. The system sucks the life away out of the game for me because I want to complete an ingame goal but it feels impossible.

Well, the only major items that require RNG is the legendary, you have what…like everything else to choose from? And if you just want to complete an ingame goal, then what?—quit the game? Which is what you were going to do now anyways. The change shouldn’t be necessary. IMO, the best thing to do is make a new set of “legendaries” that have more definite recipes—that way, people can stop complaining about not getting a legendary and we can keep the current set of legendaries…well, legendary. And let’s face it, plenty of “heros” are legends because they were fortunate and born great, not because they worked hard for it.

Again, watch Naruto and learn about Neji and Rock Lee; two sides of different legendary origins. I totally support people who want the legendaries for the ingame completion. It’s pretty satisfactory. I do not support people who just want these specific legendary skins—it’s just a skin; it wouldn’t be legendary if everyone could get it easier (aka more definite, b/c if you take out RNG, people will have it all over the place); it’s just a skin and Anet made it the way it’s supposed to be—be a game designer yourself if you want to change things, but seriously don’t expect to play a game and want to change something that by no means affects anyone other than their “wants”.

TL;DR Yes, we need a better way to get the legendary achievement—but through more legendary options so we can have variety not make the current set easier to obtain.

We already have fake legendaries in the game with definitive recipes. I’m not watching Naruto; it’s just bad. I’m not asking the devs to change the skins or change the whole game. I and many other people are just asking them to take most of the RNG out of the precursor creation part. Why would I want to be a game designer and how does this have relevance? I think you are trolling me, but I’m not even sure.

Nah, not trolling. I just don’t see your point. Fake legendaries are not legendaries lol—I have no idea what you are even referring to. It seems to me the problem is you just want the skins? Right? If there was an item that looked like a piece of kitten in some awful neon colors and it had a ridiculous RNG system that was used in order to obtain it—and it was let alone just “rare” in item rarity—you probably wouldn’t get it nor complain about the RNG. So it must be you want the skin very badly and because RNG is affecting the way you get it, you complain about it. So as a proposal, I am talking about a new set of weapons with equal or better effects on par with the current set with definitive recipes. If you however want the Sunrise or whatever it may be for its specific effects no matter whatever new legendary triumphs it, then we got a different problem there. Obtaining a skin is an option. Getting a legendary is different than obtaining a skin. All I’m trying to say is that I understand how people would want a legendary for the achievement—there should be various ways to get a legendary. Getting a specific skin however should not be in any shape or form changed because it is the way it is. Thus, additional legendaries with definitive recipes would solve this outcry for change I would hope.

Getting a legendary was supposed to be the absolute pinnacle of GW2. It was supposed to demonstrate mastery of each area of the game. (I seem to recall a dev saying something to that regard, but I may be mistaken.)

However, due to the current system for obtaining a precursor, it mainly shows your willingness to buy from a gold seller or Anet. That’s the way it seems.

We need a legitimate and hard-work-rewarding way of obtaining precursors. Gambling is just fricking stupid.

@ArcTheFallen: I think it’s safe to say that when people want a legendary that they are primarily doing it for the skin/effects.

Like SteepledHat said, “We need a legitimate and hard-work-rewarding way of obtaining precursors. Gambling is just fricking stupid.”

I just want to know if they are gonna do something let us know. If they are thinking about doing something let us know. If they arent going to do something let us know so we can get on with our lives….

Anet promoted that they were gonna be active with the community on these forums. The only threads which get any attention are posts on the main board that are along the lines of: “Yay I love guild wars. Thanks!” or “Awesome game, so glad I bought it!”

They also respond to some bug posts aswell. Ill give them some credit there… but seeing as they are split by teams, why isnt anyone covering this section more?

They have said all they need to about precursors at this point, which is that they are watching prices and will make changes if they see fit. Since prices haven’t changed all that much since that statement, I’m not sure what you’re expecting from them now.

Being active in the forum community isn’t the same as replying to each and every one of the dozens of new threads started by people complaining about how gosh-darned expensive precursors are.

Hippocampus.8470:

They have said all they need to about precursors at this point, which is that they are watching prices and will make changes if they see fit. Since prices haven’t changed all that much since that statement, I’m not sure what you’re expecting from them now.

Being active in the forum community isn’t the same as replying to each and every one of the dozens of new threads started by people complaining about how gosh-darned expensive precursors are.

Dusk jumped 100 gold last night… yea that sounds like prices havent changed at all…

omg it did just jump to 400 >_< I hope it goes back down and this is just a random Price jump

There is a good reason Anet has been silent – a solution is not easy.

I’m sure this is a highly debated subject internally at Anet. The ramifications of changing the way precursors can be obtained could have a significant impact on the GW2 economy.

Creating a guaranteed way of getting the precursor with ONE exception that I can think of (at the moment) would severely effect prices of 70-80 exotics/rares/T5 mats/T6 mats/globs – all of them would likely plummet into oblivion with the exception of named exotics getting a slight bump in value depending on demand. The exception would a solution that randomly rewards some sort of token/fragment/etc from the MF in addition to a rare/exotic when offering 4 weapons to Zommoros…get enough of the tokens/fragments and you can trade it in for a precursor. Any other change in precursor acquisition would be interesting (to see what happens to the market), to say the least.

lol, trading in tokens for precursor means ANet turning into Blizzard, easy mode for everyone that wants an epic gets one.

rich.3417:

lol, trading in tokens for precursor means ANet turning into Blizzard, easy mode for everyone that wants an epic gets one.

Yes because buying a precursor for 10g (Yes Dawn/Dusk cost that much initially) is much more difficult than spending 40-50 hours running dungeons.

/facepalm

Why doesn’t ANet just GIVE everyone a free precursor, why not and one for their alts! yes! this is perf-no.

I have my legendary, I worked very, very hard for it. Instead of complaining about one part of the chain, which, isn’t even the hardest part of it. Start getting it if you really want it. If not, you’re only complaining because the RNG didn’t profit for you. -shrug-

I don’t think anyone here wants easy legendaries. In fact i think it’s the opposite. I’d be happy if they took a year to get as long as Anet got rid of the RNG and made the quest about skill.

In it’s current iteration, legendaries are about who has the deepest pockets and willing to buy gold. This design is flawed to it’s core and reminds me of the old school relics from FFXI.

There’s a got to be a better way to keep the mystic forge, which i can’t stand but seems to be Anet’s way of making money, but eliminating it from the legendary quest chain.

Well, I got insanely lucky close to the beginning of the game and got the colossus after combining four random rares.

Unfortunately I play an ele and engineer so it wasn’t much use to me. At the time it was selling for around 40g, so I gave it to a warrior friend, who mainly uses hammers in instances.

One day I’ll get my legend/hunter, but I’m not in any tearing hurry. I toss a few items in the forge every now and then and one day lady luck will smile.

A bigger block seems to be the total inability of my server to clear Balthazar, on the rare occasions when it’s not bugged out.

azurrei.5691:

There is a good reason Anet has been silent – a solution is not easy.

I’m sure this is a highly debated subject internally at Anet. The ramifications of changing the way precursors can be obtained could have a significant impact on the GW2 economy.
Creating a guaranteed way of getting the precursor with ONE exception that I can think of (at the moment) would severely effect prices of 70-80 exotics/rares/T5 mats/T6 mats/globs – all of them would likely plummet into oblivion with the exception of named exotics getting a slight bump in value depending on demand.

There are billion mmo out there with highend weapons noone buy, and no gambling with mystic forges. Economy didn’t die at all

seriously? if you can’t afford to get legendaries, that’s your problem, just like about everything else you wished for.

and stop talking about skills in an MMORPG, the fight in this game may require a little bit more attention and faster button smashing than the others, but still not a skill based genre at all.

Parisalchuk.9230:

Hippocampus.8470:

They have said all they need to about precursors at this point, which is that they are watching prices and will make changes if they see fit. Since prices haven’t changed all that much since that statement, I’m not sure what you’re expecting from them now.

Being active in the forum community isn’t the same as replying to each and every one of the dozens of new threads started by people complaining about how gosh-darned expensive precursors are.

Dusk jumped 100 gold last night… yea that sounds like prices havent changed at all…

Now you have to have faith in your fellow impatient gamer to not buy it at that price. More dusks will be created and the price will go back down again.

If we Tier the Exotics

Tier 1 – Precursor =200-300g (not saying it 400g cause there are more precursors than just dusk and dawn and the legend)

Tier 2 – Unique exotic with Gifts – 400g-500g

Tier 3 – Unique exotic no gifts- 100-200g

Tier 4- Destroyer Weapons -30-50g

Tier 5 – Corrupted Weapons – 15g-25g

I don’t even see a whole bunch of people running around with corrupted weapons those are like 15g to make 25g for the Staff. I just dn’t see them handing out a precursor for free when people havent even gotten to the point hey buy a destroyer weapon.

I am enjoying this debate though. I don’t think the majority of the player base cares that much about legendaries to be honest this is only 3 page thread so far and most of us are the same people for or against a change.

hmm, how about this for food for thought? in no way am i condoning RNG or the way the system is working now, but a lot of times, IRL or in game or what have you, luck is a huge part of being “successful”. that it takes timing or the gods of fortune to shine down upon you. and like many have said, or mainly what ANet has intended.. it’s not for everyone. at least, not 2 months and a bit after release. but i guess that alone is not enough to appease all the anger or disappointment or dislike for the current system. adding on to that point, the Gift of Fortune already takes care of the being “lucky” aspect.. so it does kind of suck to have the pre-cursor, 1/4th of the components for a legendary be completelyup to chance.

i don’t mind if they don’t change anything. will keep working towards my own goals, while having fun doing it. if they do decide to change something though, that is welcome as well.

[edit: wow, more typos than i’d have liked]

Lucas Ashrock.8675:

azurrei.5691:

There is a good reason Anet has been silent – a solution is not easy.

I’m sure this is a highly debated subject internally at Anet. The ramifications of changing the way precursors can be obtained could have a significant impact on the GW2 economy.
Creating a guaranteed way of getting the precursor with ONE exception that I can think of (at the moment) would severely effect prices of 70-80 exotics/rares/T5 mats/T6 mats/globs – all of them would likely plummet into oblivion with the exception of named exotics getting a slight bump in value depending on demand.

There are billion mmo out there with highend weapons noone buy, and no gambling with mystic forges. Economy didn’t die at all

you are correct, but they are not GW2.

Guaranteed Precursor = significantly less MF gambling = 100’s of thousands of rares that normally vanished into the MF that are now either 1) sold to a vendor 2) salvaged into ecto’s and base materials 3)not crafted in the first place (more raw materials going unused)

To say it would not have an affect on the GW2 economy is incredibly naive and foolish.

Well, you can gamble a lot of mystic forge only weapons, using those exact crafted trash.
Some are even cool too. And more will be added. So ye, sorry but precursor doesn’t need to be into this gambling system to save our game economy.
Also, don’t forget what devs said about ectos and Nov 15th update. Soon they will be quite useful, and salvage a weapon for ectos will be a wiser choice than a precursor gamble

Lucas Ashrock.8675:

Well, you can gamble a lot of mystic forge only weapons, using those exact crafted trash.
Some are even cool too. And more will be added. So ye, sorry but precursor doesn’t need to be into this gambling system to save our game economy.
Also, don’t forget what devs said about ectos and Nov 15th update. Soon they will be quite useful, and salvage a weapon for ectos will be a wiser choice than a precursor gamble

Hey was wondering if you could elaborate on this, to my knowledge I don’t remember seeing anything in their release for 15 November about salvaging weapons?

The famous Anet economist was talking about ectos on the next incoming update as a big deal.

Ecto’s use to be 18-20s for a very long time, over the past 3 weeks they have slid down and over the last week its been at an all time low of 12s ish. The reason for decline was probably related to the falling prices of rare items – they were as cheap as 10-12s. They kept falling because t5 mats were falling.

T5 mats have increased since John Smith (AN economic expert) said he would be doing something in the Nov 15th patch to make them more desirable. As such many people started buying these mats (which were as low as 15c each).

Because t5 mats have risen, rares rise with them. If rares rise, ectos rise.

Lucas Ashrock.8675:

The famous Anet economist was talking about ectos on the next incoming update as a big deal.

Ecto’s use to be 18-20s for a very long time, over the past 3 weeks they have slid down and over the last week its been at an all time low of 12s ish. The reason for decline was probably related to the falling prices of rare items – they were as cheap as 10-12s. They kept falling because t5 mats were falling.

T5 mats have increased since John Smith (AN economic expert) said he would be doing something in the Nov 15th patch to make them more desirable. As such many people started buying these mats (which were as low as 15c each).

Because t5 mats have risen, rares rise with them. If rares rise, ectos rise.

ooh ok thankyou

29 Days+, still awaiting a response. Prices higher than ever

Good Luck with trying to sell your Precusors everything will change on 15th November sell it till you can.

raito.4085:

Good Luck with trying to sell your Precusors everything will change on 15th November sell it till you can.

I don’t understand. What did I miss? What? What? Explain!

Npac.3476:

Not to be rude…but you all need to stop conducting the complain train.

To rant, legendary precursors are SUPPOSED to be incredibly difficult to obtain

They aren’t. Grinding 300 gold is not “difficult” in any sense of the word. Tedious, yes. Difficult, not in the slightest.

That’s the problem that everyone that repeats this same tired line is blatantly ignoring.

Tedium != difficulty.

ChairGraveyard.2967:

Npac.3476:

Not to be rude…but you all need to stop conducting the complain train.

To rant, legendary precursors are SUPPOSED to be incredibly difficult to obtain

They aren’t. Grinding 300 gold is not “difficult” in any sense of the word. Tedious, yes. Difficult, not in the slightest.

That’s the problem that everyone that repeats this same tired line is blatantly ignoring.

Tedium != difficulty.

well said, agree 100%. The fact that the precursor is not BOP, can be bought on trading post and people still complain it’s way too hard to obtain is laughable. Just because the complainers dont have time to farm or choose to rather do something else is not the fault of the system.

People in this thread made me laugh. “Oh 300g is too much”, “Oh, I don’t want to grind” “Oh…”
My word is, sure and it just proved that you are not that in to the legendary. Just put aside all the other discussion around. For the rarity case, if let’s say 50% of the people would be able to get a legendary within 3 month. Do you think it’s legendary at all? Or say if even 10% of people can get it. U like it u work for it. U don’t have the time / endurance to grind through, pay money to buy it.
Give time everyone could collect enough gold for legendary, those who are just complaining like little kid rolling on the floor asking for candy. The current settings doesn’t need to be change at all. If you really think precursor is the issue, then I would say you haven’t think it through and even if they “gave” you a precursor, chances are you are still not be able to make it to the end.

If we really checking the market of the precursors, it is pretty stable now, why? Because the price is coming towards the average cost of gambling. ANet is doing an awesome job on in-game economy. Those who complaint just don’t have the brain to make money out of the market or don’t have the heart to take the sank cost of gamble or just simply lazy.
You don’t like the high price, DON’T go for legendary, nobody is forcing you. You are not underpowered in any sense. You want something? Show some respect and stand up to get it. There are already tens of people if not hundreds getting their legendaries. If they can do it, so can you. If you can’t do it, complaint only shows that you’re weak and don’t deserve it AT ALL.

raito.4085:

Good Luck with trying to sell your Precusors everything will change on 15th November sell it till you can.

To the original poster: I personally see no reason anything would change after Nov, 15th. It’s a pretty successful model as of now and the price is okay. I spent 16 hours playing during the weekend netted me 50+ gold simply from farming, and another 5 gold from trading (not much, I’m not spending much time on it too). So I would say good luck on your expectation and keep up with the farming.

For those who does hoarding on legendaries (obviously I’m not one of them). Right now the arbitrage is quite stabilized and we do have legendary R&D thread going on in forums. So trying to monopolizing the market to blindly raise the price won’t really do much of a gain with the re-listing fee. People even with bad luck would still be able to get a precursor at the cost less than 250g on great swords. Though I admit whatever you guys doing are in any sense legit which follows the market rule (supply / demand).

Aphix.9846:

I love how someone said something like this: ’ Where’s the problem ? I did 5000 forges and got 3 precursors.’
Well that’s kittening great. Now if you’d use your brain for just a second, you will maybe realise how RNG works. I can do 15 000 forges and still get absolutely nothing. If I spend 400gold forging and get nothing, then farm another 50gold and go for another spree, then that does not mean I have higher chances. ‘Oh I’ve spent so much gold I have to get it now!!’

…

And then there’s: ‘Oh hey I got my Dusk after 40 tries, where’s the problem guys ? You all just complain for no reason duh, 2 ez l2p.’

Really please get a clue.
Hi ?

Rng is bad and doesn’t belong in this game. So far legendary needs you to do dungeons, wvw, events, rng(clovers) etc random stuff, but it does not involve any skills or achievements and it definitely should. Fix the broken system please.

1. Why RNG is a bad thing to this game please explain. It’s a perfectly designed gold sink to keep the economy healthy plus drive up the interest for the in game purchase if necessary.
2. I would strongly argue that clover is the rng. In my process getting my clover (also with information from many of my friends) that clover is roughly 1 clover per 3~4 tries. You are almost guaranteed (95%+) to have your 77 clovers with in 300 tries. So I honestly DON’T think clover is the rng game given the truth that the 77 sample size is good enough to prove the ratio.
3. Those with dire luck evens out the lucky guy with several tries to get the precursors. I believe this is what frustrated people. The outliers comparison. I would say I feel for you bro, I throw in about 100 80 rares before I decided to just collect my gold and buy it. There are some tricks to play the mystic forge which would allow u mitigate the bad streak of luck. Same as salvage ectos. You can find a way to tell how those rng system works.

Everyone seems to ignore the fact that legendary does not imply exclusivity or rarity.

Jericho.5940:

1. Why RNG is a bad thing to this game please explain. It’s a perfectly designed gold sink to keep the economy healthy plus drive up the interest for the in game purchase if necessary.

I don’t give a … about a gold sink or the economy, that’s all Anet making money and whatnot but why have it in the making of a legendary ? what’s legendary about RNG. They make legendary weapons a big deal and so desirable and put RNG in there to mess with people. Where’s the sense in that ? Have the RNG and gold sink elsewhere. The amount of people who I know that have quit because of this is silly.

Drive up the interest of the game ? My interest will be gone after I spend 200-300g in MF and leave empty handed. No doubt. So tell me what’s good about RNG for me ? It’s horrible and I hate it and if you’d open your eyes many other people hate it too. I’m mainly talking about precursors.

I used to gamble on the forge, putting random 3x 76 exotics + mystic stone and I loved the thrill of the gamble etc, never knowing what I might get. It was optional. But RNG as a necessary part for a legendary weapon ? No.
And don’t tell me to buy it off TP, RNG is still the initial way how they are aquired. Also for me it costs 400g (legend) and when I started farming for my legendary it costed 100-120g. Yeah well done. 300g increase, that has simply kittened me up. By the time I reach that, it may be over 500g. Feels like week after week I’m not making any progress at all. Gambling aint rewarding me either so what’s left ? Also I keep in mind that some people got it on their 4th try from forge, some dropped it off an ooze, some bought them for 25g months ago, apparently rumors saying that some precursor were acquired by exploiting and gold buying, that’s frustrating. Legendary weapon indeed.

Aphix.9846:

I don’t give a … about a gold sink or the economy, that’s all Anet making money and whatnot but why have it in the making of a legendary ?

The economy is important because it affects everyone in the game. If there’s not enough gold sinks, we get inflation. If there aren’t item sinks, those items are oversupplied and their value plummets.

And don’t tell me to buy it off TP, RNG is still the initial way how they are aquired. Also for me it costs 400g (legend) and when I started farming for my legendary it costed 100-120g. Yeah well done. 300g increase, that has simply kittened me up. By the time I reach that, it may be over 500g.

The fact that it was undervalued at the start doesn’t mean anything whatsoever. The Legend has been fairly stable for two weeks. It might go up temporarily if someone decides to buy up a bunch of sell listings, which appears to be what happened with Dusk, but that doesn’t mean it’ll be a permanent change.

Economy affects everbody…hm didn’t realise that.
Economy is what it is and I can’t do anything to change it that’s why I simply don’t ‘care’ about it. Also you missed by point about the RNG not being involved with the making of a legendary, and having goldsink somewhere else in the game, I know they are required…

Legend was undervalued or not I didn’t know that 2-3 weeks after launch when I started my grind. Fact is that it has increased by 300g and that has really put me off.
I’m not progressing. I have to rely on my luck (…….lol……) or random TP prices for my last piece of the legendary.

‘it might go up when some1 decides to buy a bunch of sell listings’

Well that’s great, I’ll keep that in mind as I’m ‘progressing’ towards my legendary, i’ll rely on that one guy buying sell listings randomly and see how much gold I need. Or gamble.
What a great system.

Getting a legendary – huge load of gold or luck. No skill or actual achievements required. RNG is great !!!

rich.3417:

ChairGraveyard.2967:

Npac.3476:

Not to be rude…but you all need to stop conducting the complain train.

To rant, legendary precursors are SUPPOSED to be incredibly difficult to obtain

They aren’t. Grinding 300 gold is not “difficult” in any sense of the word. Tedious, yes. Difficult, not in the slightest.

That’s the problem that everyone that repeats this same tired line is blatantly ignoring.

Tedium != difficulty.

well said, agree 100%. The fact that the precursor is not BOP, can be bought on trading post and people still complain it’s way too hard to obtain is laughable. Just because the complainers dont have time to farm or choose to rather do something else is not the fault of the system.

Well, I don’t actually people are complaining about the difficulty, which is most of the point of the post I made. People are complaining about the fact that it’s tedious garbage gameplay (nothing but mindless grinding).

The fact that it’s a boring grind (which is not difficult but is extremely tedious) is a massive problem. I’d much rather that obtaining a precursor be tied to activities that are actually hard and not simply boring, annoying, and tedious like it currently is (i.e., 100% gold grind).

Legendary weapons are supposed to reflect heroic effort and accomplishment, and precursors requiring nothing more than a boring snoozefest gold grind is not “legendary” at all. Getting one doesn’t show that you’re a skillful player and are dedicated, it just shows you have the intestinal fortitude to not shoot yourself in the face after a thousand hours of boring garbage grind.

1. Precursor, 300-400G = 2 months of 4 hour grinding a day = totally fine
a. It’s optional
b.This game is pretty much a endgame grindfest, so if you’re not grinding then you’re not playing the game.
c.Precursor consist of 25%-30% of a legendary, so 2 months sounds a little soon to get one.

2.Legendaries are beyond endgame achievements. Stat wise you can grind dungeons, badges, crafting to get the BEST possible stats for your characters.
a. I honesty don’t know how long guildwars 2 took to make, but if they took 5 years to make you should be playing for at least a year lol. IF you’re not playing for at least a year well then you shouldn’t be complaining about not getting anything beyond endgame.
b. If people are getting precursors or legendaries before you, its because they are LUCKY, working harder than you or it’s because they are more experienced than you are. Same with reality, If you ain’t winning the lottery, working triple shifts a day or if you’re not playing the economic market then why complain about the millions other people make?

3. Legendaries again, and well game hasn’t been out for 6 months yet.
a. Game hasn’t even been out for 6 months you expect to achieve something at the highest honor without considering the amount of time you have invested.
b. Just because you spend an hour of your life grinding in a game does not quite mean that each hour grinding is equivalent in value as an hour of your reality.
Example: You are a doctor, you make $120/hr in reality. You grind in game and make 2g/hr. Well lol, it’s a game if you think its a waste of time …time to gtfo?
c. Who the kitten thinks no skills are require to make a legendary is kitten LOL The only agreeable by all type of skills you can obtain from this game is Structure pvp. If you want awesome skins base on “skills” go to spvp.
c2. The closest thing to “skills” in pve which isn’t agreeable by all but the majority because of some idiots here is grinding & Jump-quest. Both in which is either required or can help into the road of making a legendary.

4.Anet doing anything about botters and gold sellers? What?
a. Inflation is obvious to every game, just because you see precursors at 70g or even 10g a month ago does not mean that they were going to stay. Looking at the housing market, I live in san francisco and Housing from 99 to 06 went from average 200k – 800k. lmao Thats a 4x increase in “REAL money”
b. Precursors at 300g is price set BY THE PEOPLE and it’s market. If the market has obvious idiots to sell them at 70g, it means at the very moment he/she expects that to be the worth. Stop complaining about how much a precursor is truly worth, who are you to judge how much they are worth?

I pointed out exactly what players who reject the “precursors must be nerf in price” think.
If you’re complaining about precursors, you will always be complaining about it until you get one.
Anet made the game already, hardcore or even Lucky players have made precursors and even legendaries, WTF are you doing?. Why should anet stick a middle-finger to players who proved legndaries possible with the current market just to make you guys who cry and complain to wipe your tears.
MAN up

Extra:
Anet = government
Hardcore players = hardworking businessmen
Market players = Investors
Lucky players = lottery winners
Botters = druglords
You guys = ________ [you decide]

only thing I see left is “whiners”

Solution: Anet should just offer another upgrade option, the “legendary” edition. Once purchased, you have the choice to do a) jumping puzzle that takes days of practice to complete (OMG I GOT MAD SKILL IN HAND/EYE COORDINATION), b) do tough dungeon with no gears (YES, I AM THAT GOOD IN MY PVE SKILLS) or c) do a 1 vs 1 PvP style with a developer (IF I BEAT A DEVELOPER I MUST BE SKILLED). If any of the options is done successfully, you get a legendary, guaranteed.

The cost of the game upgrade is solely based on the current market value of the precursor of your chosen legendary choice, translated into real $ values.

Kelvingts.2035:

1. Precursor, 300-400G = 2 months of 4 hour grinding a day = totally fine
a. It’s optional
b.This game is pretty much a endgame grindfest, so if you’re not grinding then you’re not playing the game.
c.Precursor consist of 25%-30% of a legendary, so 2 months sounds a little soon to get one.

2.Legendaries are beyond endgame achievements. Stat wise you can grind dungeons, badges, crafting to get the BEST possible stats for your characters.
a. I honesty don’t know how long guildwars 2 took to make, but if they took 5 years to make you should be playing for at least a year lol. IF you’re not playing for at least a year well then you shouldn’t be complaining about not getting anything beyond endgame.
b. If people are getting precursors or legendaries before you, its because they are LUCKY, working harder than you or it’s because they are more experienced than you are. Same with reality, If you ain’t winning the lottery, working triple shifts a day or if you’re not playing the economic market then why complain about the millions other people make?

3. Legendaries again, and well game hasn’t been out for 6 months yet.
a. Game hasn’t even been out for 6 months you expect to achieve something at the highest honor without considering the amount of time you have invested.
b. Just because you spend an hour of your life grinding in a game does not quite mean that each hour grinding is equivalent in value as an hour of your reality.
Example: You are a doctor, you make $120/hr in reality. You grind in game and make 2g/hr. Well lol, it’s a game if you think its a waste of time …time to gtfo?
c. Who the kitten thinks no skills are require to make a legendary is kitten LOL The only agreeable by all type of skills you can obtain from this game is Structure pvp. If you want awesome skins base on “skills” go to spvp.
c2. The closest thing to “skills” in pve which isn’t agreeable by all but the majority because of some idiots here is grinding & Jump-quest. Both in which is either required or can help into the road of making a legendary.

4.Anet doing anything about botters and gold sellers? What?
a. Inflation is obvious to every game, just because you see precursors at 70g or even 10g a month ago does not mean that they were going to stay. Looking at the housing market, I live in san francisco and Housing from 99 to 06 went from average 200k – 800k. lmao Thats a 4x increase in “REAL money”
b. Precursors at 300g is price set BY THE PEOPLE and it’s market. If the market has obvious idiots to sell them at 70g, it means at the very moment he/she expects that to be the worth. Stop complaining about how much a precursor is truly worth, who are you to judge how much they are worth?

I pointed out exactly what players who reject the “precursors must be nerf in price” think.
If you’re complaining about precursors, you will always be complaining about it until you get one.
Anet made the game already, hardcore or even Lucky players have made precursors and even legendaries, WTF are you doing?. Why should anet stick a middle-finger to players who proved legndaries possible with the current market just to make you guys who cry and complain to wipe your tears.
MAN up

Extra:
Anet = government
Hardcore players = hardworking businessmen
Market players = Investors
Lucky players = lottery winners
Botters = druglords
You guys = ________ [you decide]

only thing I see left is “whiners”

I think there is nothing more I wanted to add to it. Well put in every aspects.

wicket.2485:

Like SteepledHat said, “We need a legitimate and hard-work-rewarding way of obtaining precursors. Gambling is just fricking stupid.”

uh, you have one…. the trading post. Unless you think grinding 250g isn’t “hard work”.

So heres some solutions Ive gathered from this thread:

Anet ups the forge rate from MF – Value of precursor plummets, everyone has one, end result is no longer legendary.
Anet brings in a precursor recipe – Mats for said recipe skyrocket in price, Botters run rampant in zones where mats drop to make profit, mats become overfarmed and prices plummet, everyone can buy a legendary for 10g, end result is no longer legendary.
Anet comes up with an epic Tolkein-esque quest to forge your precursor, people get it done within a week, easy mode guides begin showing up all over the internet, everyone can get a legendary, end result is no longer legendary.

RNG and grinding is necessary to sort out whos actually serious about getting a legendary. If you cant risk everything to get it then you dont deserve it. I just wish it was soulbound. /my2c

I keep seeing the same arguments over & over. Anyone who opposes current design philosophy is a entitled child? You realize that many of the players who currently have legendaries bought their precursor off the TP for like……5-10g right? Now players are having to spend anywhere from 300-500g for one & that they want precursors “handed to them”. I’m sorry but how exactly are these players entitled when they have to pay 30 TIMES what you had to pay?

Snow.5269:

I keep seeing the same arguments over & over. Anyone who opposes current design philosophy is a entitled child? You realize that many of the players who currently have legendaries bought their precursor off the TP for like……5-10g right? Now players are having to spend anywhere from 300-500g for one & that they want precursors “handed to them”. I’m sorry but how exactly are these players entitled when they have to pay 30 TIMES what you had to pay?

And guess what, that’s life.
You realize that players who used to have precursors were selling them for like 5 – 10g right? Now they’re realizing the could’ve made 30x that amount if they had of waited a little while! Oh the shame..
That’s what an open market is about, winning and losing. You struck out by not getting one early and now you have to farm it up like the rest of us.

Make legendaries harder to get in other ways, not everyone had a 50/50 HoM in GW1 and yet it didn’t take RNG to get it.

Andalamar.4201:

I don’t understand why people complain so hard for a skin. Getting a Legendary is part of something different to do at end-game, but the end result doesn’t need to be an absolute achievement for this MMO. Also, I want to add that the process of getting a Legendary should take much longer than 2 weeks to a month and I’d hazard a guess that it’s what ANet devs intended in the first place… Either way, it’s certainly not that ANet doesn’t care; it’s because the Legendary system and crafting don’t need to be changed whatsoever.

The system isn’t broken. The demand far outweighs the offer, since everybody wants to have a Legendary and don’t realize that it’s never going to happen. Heck, trying to find another skin than a Legendary may yield you interesting results…

Let’s face it. ANet doesn’t even need to give us an official response for complaints about something that isn’t broken, is entirely optional. People expecting for one are the ones with their heads in the sand.

I somewhat agree with your thought process but in relation to the point you made about the system not being broken….

(In my opinion) if it takes someone 1 combine and they get a precursor and it takes someone else 4000 combines and they don’t get a precursor. I would consider this a highly unbalanced/unfair and a broken system.

Why can’t they be made with the same amount of effort – that would be more fair, wouldn’t it? Why favour one player’s time more then anothers, are we not all equals?

Azelroth.6801:

Andalamar.4201:

I don’t understand why people complain so hard for a skin. Getting a Legendary is part of something different to do at end-game, but the end result doesn’t need to be an absolute achievement for this MMO. Also, I want to add that the process of getting a Legendary should take much longer than 2 weeks to a month and I’d hazard a guess that it’s what ANet devs intended in the first place… Either way, it’s certainly not that ANet doesn’t care; it’s because the Legendary system and crafting don’t need to be changed whatsoever.

The system isn’t broken. The demand far outweighs the offer, since everybody wants to have a Legendary and don’t realize that it’s never going to happen. Heck, trying to find another skin than a Legendary may yield you interesting results…

Let’s face it. ANet doesn’t even need to give us an official response for complaints about something that isn’t broken, is entirely optional. People expecting for one are the ones with their heads in the sand.

I somewhat agree with your thought process but in relation to the point you made about the system not being broken….

(In my opinion) if it takes someone 1 combine and they get a precursor and it takes someone else 4000 combines and they don’t get a precursor. I would consider this a highly unbalanced/unfair and a broken system.

Why can’t they be made with the same amount of effort – that would be more fair, wouldn’t it? Why favour one player’s time more then anothers, are we not all equals?

Because the person that thew in his first 4 rares for a chance at a precursor had the same % drop rate as the guy who threw in 1000. He just get his on his first trip to the forge.

I honestly believe that almost every one of you with a precursor or legendary either
a. Bought it from a gold seller
b. Used an exploit to get it
c. Used and exploit to make money to get it.

Very, very, very few of you got it legitimately. None of you grinded for the gold unless you did so when it was very cheap. (Around the 10g mark.) There simply hasn’t been enough time for a non botter to have made enough money to have bought the precursors and all the legendary components.

So yeah, when I see one I don’t go “Wow! I bet he worked hard.”

It’ll never have that effect. I’m not the only person that thinks this way.

SteepledHat.1345:

I honestly believe that almost every one of you with a precursor or legendary either
a. Bought it from a gold seller
b. Used an exploit to get it
c. Used and exploit to make money to get it.

Very, very, very few of you got it legitimately. None of you grinded for the gold unless you did so when it was very cheap. (Around the 10g mark.) There simply hasn’t been enough time for a non botter to have made enough money to have bought the precursors and all the legendary components.

So yeah, when I see one I don’t go “Wow! I bet he worked hard.”

It’ll never have that effect. I’m not the only person that thinks this way.

Which is a horrible shame. My friend just completed Sunrise this week & he was immediately blasted with “Hey how much RL money you pay to get that” by random people when he is one of the few that earned it legitimately & is deserving of it.

SteepledHat.1345:

I honestly believe that almost every one of you with a precursor or legendary either
a. Bought it from a gold seller
b. Used an exploit to get it
c. Used and exploit to make money to get it.

Very, very, very few of you got it legitimately. None of you grinded for the gold unless you did so when it was very cheap. (Around the 10g mark.) There simply hasn’t been enough time for a non botter to have made enough money to have bought the precursors and all the legendary components.

So yeah, when I see one I don’t go “Wow! I bet he worked hard.”

It’ll never have that effect. I’m not the only person that thinks this way.

You should report them if you are so sure they exploited/cheated. Probably should report all the people in this thread. They aren’t throwing rares in the forge and getting precursors wait they are!! Where does the money come from? Hmmm gotta be GS. There is all the evidence you need. Mass amounts of money thrown into the MF go get them banned so you feel better.

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/crafting/Keep-track-of-how-many-rares-you-use-to-make-pre-legendary/page/4#post648829

Seeing as how its not possible to get a precursor from the MF right? You can only get it from 1 of the ways you described. rofl

Like this guy

http://www.reddit.com/r/Guildwars2/comments/12rjn9/just_got_dusk_from_the_eternal_battleground/

I bet he used a script to put dusk in the chest or he photoshopped it to troll us all o.O

Some of these people are truly kitten

1. Precursors are made view differently at different stages of the game. 1 week of game opening = 10g? well that seems pretty obvious to me. I don’t know where some of your heads are but apparently they’re so far up your kitten that you fail to understand concept of value for the popular item. I am 100% sure that “yahoo.com” and “google.com” as a domain was purchased at a much lower price than it’s worth today. I am also 100% sure a bottle of soda was purchase for 75cents in 1990s and currently cost average $1.75. Inflation and appreciation of value changes over time. Suck it up.

2. If someone threw a punch at mystic forge and got a precursor because he was lucky why the hell should you complain. A 18year-old southern male won a 1.8billion dollar megamillion lottery jackpot should you go to him and cry about it? Live with it, he’s lucky and your luck is kitten.

3. People will always complain about other people’s luck, other people’s skills, other people’s legit or unlegit way to get items you want but you can’t have. The day you get your legendary done, you will most likely not even bother to check this thread anymore. If you yourself isn’t going to ULTRA-grind, pay gold-sellers OR anet in real money in exchange for gold or even play the market to obtain an item you want bad enough to cry days on about it, you don’t deserve to have one.

4.Some of you continue to cry about people cheating the system by obtaining it early through a process in which Anet was not aware of, It’s their problem with Anet not your’s. Half of the population would have very well exploit any of the possible shortcuts to obtain a item they want this bad.

5. The early bird gets the worm, it’s a saying that applies to nearly all concept in life.
You had the chance to grind 10g on the very first day of Gw2 release and purchase one or even two on the Trading post but you fail to take advantage of the early market and it’s ignorant players. Now you pay the price. Don’t blame players who took learned from their mistakes in another game or even educated in economics which are classes both colleges and highschools offers. Check your notes, I am 100% sure economy 101 teaches inflation and values of goods.

6.This is Gw2 not Gw1. And for sure it ain’t Aion and wow. Stop comparing the games, you want that type of game-play so bad, well companies made those games that you can move to. No one is telling you to stay and assume that gw2 will end up like gw1. IF they wanted a updated Gw1 they might as well throw you a patch instead of a brand new game with a new story and concept of play. You kitten constantly complain about things you like about Gw1 and not Gw2 and how Gw2 should be like Gw1. Well i don’t see anyone complaining about the “positive differences” between the games. Anet made Gw2 to be better than Gw1 and not Gw2 to be a updated Version of Gw1 [Trust me there’s a big difference there].

7. Legendary is an “Achievement”. Look at your character achievement screen…there isn’t 1 thing listed there that should be harder than finishing a legendary. Before you start complaining finish everything else. Anet made the game to expect players to finish it last, if you aren’t going to dedicate yourself or push yourself in anyway to skip ahead and jump at the “legendary achievement” then you shouldn’t even open your mouth a speak another kitten word.

Learn your logic, do your econ homework. Community colleges are accepting students now!