Guild Wars 2

Hey guys, it’s been awhile since the infamous “We will be implementing a precursor scavenger hunt” post, and I was wondering if there was any news on when that is coming. The prices for precursors are sky-high (400g Dawn, 500g Dusk, etc.) and it is pretty urgent.

If a ANet Dev could respond, it’d put a lot of questioning and uneasiness to rest

YES! That silly prereq is holding my legendary up and I am tired of feeding that troll zomeros :’?

Forbiddenlove.1784:

I was wondering if there was any news on when that is coming.

We still have no updates from ANet about precursor scavenger hunt and situation with ridiculous prices.

“Thank you for your patience” © ArenaNet.

NateDog.1385:

That silly prereq is holding my legendary up and I am tired of feeding that troll zomeros :’?

Same here.

Predator.1398:

“Thank you for your patience” © ArenaNet.

that made me laugh xD

OT:
you wont get a response on things they are planing. and especially if you are asking for it (unless its a buggy/glitchy/exploitable material) they have already said to wait.
However. i think we might see something in the next two month as they have stated that the content added in January and February will “blow us away” and it would roughly represent a paid content expansion.

Actually the price of some precursor are unacceptable (dusk – dawn – legend ) the price is not stable and is not a legendary quest is only about LUCK or REAL MONEY!! a bit unfair IMO, and no one from Anet tell us something about SH

We wouldn’t need a Scavenger Hunt if they increased the chance to get a precursor from the Mystic Forge (10% chance would be good enough imo) or implement a fixed recipe.

Letifer.4360:

We wouldn’t need a Scavenger Hunt if they increased the chance to get a precursor from the Mystic Forge (10% chance would be good enough imo) or implement a fixed recipe.

True. And actually both these way are extremely easy to implement in the game.
But they aren’t there. So it means that ANet isn’t going to go these ways.

Precursors should be exceedingly difficult to obtain, and certainly should not be free handouts from a quest or scavenger hunt. While they should be cheaper than where they currently are (most expensive should be around 150-200 gold) they definitely should not become handouts that are worth nothing.

People seem to forget that prices are determined by supply and demand. The key problem with Dusk, Dawn, Legend, ect, is that these are among the most desirable precursors. When you examine others (Storm, for instance is 70 gold) they are more reasonably priced, and this is because the demand isn’t as strong for the scepter.

Rather than make it so that everyone gets an equal chance at a Dawn/Dusk/Legend, ect—-LAME—-, the drop rates on the more higher-in-demand precursors should be adjusted and increased a bit so the price falls back down to a reasonable 100-200 gold level.

Sunreva.8714:

Precursors should be exceedingly difficult to obtain, and certainly should not be free handouts from a quest or scavenger hunt. While they should be cheaper than where they currently are (most expensive should be around 150-200 gold) they definitely should not become handouts that are worth nothing.

People seem to forget that prices are determined by supply and demand. The key problem with Dusk, Dawn, Legend, ect, is that these are among the most desirable precursors. When you examine others (Storm, for instance is 70 gold) they are more reasonably priced, and this is because the demand isn’t as strong for the scepter.

Rather than make it so that everyone gets an equal chance at a Dawn/Dusk/Legend, ect—-LAME—-, the drop rates on the more higher-in-demand precursors should be adjusted and increased a bit so the price falls back down to a reasonable 100-200 gold level.

The laws of supply & demand are not what have been controlling Dusk & Dawn. Market manipulation is what has been controlling it since the Karka event. I personally know one of the two people controlling the supply of Dusk. When a new one gets put up on the TP, they buy it and relist it for a higher price.

There’s a reason why there was 17 Dusks up on the TP in the range of 430g 3 days ago and within hours, there was 2. And then within minutes there was 17 again, but all for 560~. Even after the TP tax, that still boils down to a 40-50g return on a single sale.

As it is, everything else that goes into putting together a legendary takes far much more effort than the precursor. Your assessment on more availability for the precursor is way off the mark. And save for either a substantially higher chance throwing away gold in the MF or the same for a drop rate, nothing with rectify the problem with precursors being obtained with the current methods because market manipulation is not something that Anet can combat without putting price limits – which is at odds with you know, the whole point of a free market economy.

evo.8640:

The laws of supply & demand are not what have been controlling Dusk & Dawn. Market manipulation is what has been controlling it since the Karka event. I personally know one of the two people controlling the supply of Dusk. When a new one gets put up on the TP, they buy it and relist it for a higher price.

There’s a reason why there was 17 Dusks up on the TP in the range of 430g 3 days ago and within hours, there was 2. And then within minutes there was 17 again, but all for 560~. Even after the TP tax, that still boils down to a 40-50g return on a single sale.

As it is, everything else that goes into putting together a legendary takes far much more effort than the precursor. Your assessment on more availability for the precursor is way off the mark. And save for either a substantially higher chance throwing away gold in the MF or the same for a drop rate, nothing with rectify the problem with precursors being obtained with the current methods because market manipulation is not something that Anet can combat without putting price limits – which is at odds with you know, the whole point of a free market economy.

The price of these items continues to rise because more people find themselves situated to be able to afford their legendary and thus, they’re willing to spend more and more money to get their precursor. Run through lions arch for 5 minutes and you’ll see multiple players with Legendary’s, 2 months ago this was not the case.

More people looking to make their legendary —> more demand --> more being bought up on the market. This is why no other precursors are priced like Dawn/Dusk/Legend. Because they’re not in demand. It’s that simple. Sorry, I don’t buy this “people controlling the dawn/dusk market” stuff, it’s pure baseless speculation. If this was the case, then we’d see manipulation on all the markets. The Lover, Zap, and other precursors are plenty sought after, yet they’re not 400+ gold. This is because the demand is overall lower. No manipulation is in play.

Handing out free precursors to anyone who completes a quest or a scavenger hunt is absurd, these items should retain at least some reasonable form of value, and 100-200 gold is sufficient. If the drop system for precursors was somehow tied into the market, this could feasible address the problem. If there is only 1-5 of a particular precursor for sale (for instance), then its drop rate should be significantly increased. Likewise if there are 20-30 of them for sale, then the opposite should happen.

Sunreva.8714:

The price of these items continues to rise because more people find themselves situated to be able to afford their legendary and thus, they’re willing to spend more and more money to get their precursor. Run through lions arch for 5 minutes and you’ll see multiple players with Legendary’s, 2 months ago this was not the case.

More people looking to make their legendary —> more demand --> more being bought up on the market. This is why no other precursors are priced like Dawn/Dusk/Legend. Because they’re not in demand. It’s that simple. Sorry, I don’t buy this “people controlling the dawn/dusk market” stuff, it’s pure baseless speculation. If this was the case, then we’d see manipulation on all the markets. The Lover, Zap, and other precursors are plenty sought after, yet they’re not 400+ gold. This is because the demand is overall lower. No manipulation is in play.

Handing out free precursors to anyone who completes a quest or a scavenger hunt is absurd, these items should retain at least some reasonable form of value, and 100-200 gold is sufficient. If the drop system for precursors was somehow tied into the market, this could feasible address the problem. If there is only 1-5 of a particular precursor for sale (for instance), then its drop rate should be significantly increased. Likewise if there are 20-30 of them for sale, then the opposite should happen.

I could care less with what you choose to believe, the matter of fact is simple. My friend had 15 Dusks in his inventory 3 days ago. There is no baseless speculation with that. Clearly, you must not understand how market manipulation works. As I’ve also personally helped him put in fake buy orders for this particular item in question, Dusk.

If an item is sought after, more people will want it and the price will be higher. Face value is Dusk/Dawn are in higher demand by more players than any other precursor. And this is precisely why these items are controlled. They yield higher returns at a higher rate. Look at the volume of sales on any website that tracks this information. The results are clear. If there was more demand for any other precursor, you can bet those would be controlled as well. But, as it stands there isn’t. Part of this, is simply what goes into making Bolt, for instance. The cost/effort of putting Bolt together is beyond the cost/effort of putting together Twilight or Sunrise, even after the current precursor prices. Not to mention, more classes generate more builds around a greatsword, than they do a one-handed sword. Many people are put off by the cost/effort and it simply ceases to be a goal for no other reason than the ridiculousness of farming/buying charged lodestones.

The amount of people with a legendary is still relatively low. Even then, by and large most legendary owners are Twilight/Sunrise wielders by a staggering majority. Many of them, who I’ve personally talked to – to find out where they obtained their precursor (before I was given mine) – had bought them within the first few weeks of release. I’ve encountered hardly any players who are relatively new owners, and all who purchased it before the Karka event.

Apparently, you are among the few who even take issue with “everyone” obtaining a precursor. When anyone who has been on the road to crafting a legendary can tell you, there was far more work involved in everything but the precursor. It’s telling when people electronically associate status with pixels. You must be one of those who are extremely proud to stand around the cities with shiny items on.

evo.8640:

I could care less with what you choose to believe, the matter of fact is simple. My friend had 15 Dusks in his inventory 3 days ago. There is no baseless speculation with that. Clearly, you must not understand how market manipulation works. As I’ve also personally helped him put in fake buy orders for this particular item in question, Dusk.

Nope, your friend does not have 15 dusks in his inventory (feel free to provide faked screens yawn) and the market manipulation with these precursors (if it’s happening at all) is is practically non-existent.

evo.8640:

The results are clear. If there was more demand for any other precursor, you can bet those would be controlled as well. But, as it stands there isn’t. Part of this, is simply what goes into making Bolt, for instance. The cost/effort of putting Bolt together is beyond the cost/effort of putting together Twilight or Sunrise, even after the current precursor prices. Not to mention, more classes generate more builds around a greatsword, than they do a one-handed sword. Many people are put off by the cost/effort and it simply ceases to be a goal for no other reason than the ridiculousness of farming/buying charged lodestones.

The results are not clear, as there is no data that firmly suggests these items are all being bought up by one or two people. This is pure speculation on your part, coupled with a story about your secret “friend”.

evo.8640:

Apparently, you are among the few who even take issue with “everyone” obtaining a precursor. When anyone who has been on the road to crafting a legendary can tell you, there was far more work involved in everything but the precursor. It’s telling when people electronically associate status with pixels. You must be one of those who are extremely proud to stand around the cities with shiny items on.

I take issue with the concept of precursors being handed out for free, through a quest, or whatever, and completely losing all value.

You can assume (falsely) whatever you want about me, and play armchair guessing games. Go right ahead. Doesn’t change the fact that his nonsense about market manipulation with precursors is utterly baseless.

Sunreva, if anyone is playing arm chair games with assuming it’s you. I like when people play the pot calling kettle black game.

My “secret” friend happens to be someone I work with, who initially made his wealth afk’ing like every self-proclaimed TP expert.

Like I said, I really don’t care what you believe. If it helps you sleep better at night thinking that you have the answers, then so be it. I find that cute, in the pathetic sort of way.

And for the record. The results are clear. You’re not fooling anyone when you post a blanket retort to things you simply can’t disprove when it’s there for everyone to see. It’s much easier to just dismiss them though and pretend you’re on the know, right?

No need to get mad, I’m just pointing out that there is no data which indicates precursors are being bought up by one or two people, and secondly, that your “friend” in all likelihood, probably doesn’t exist. If you feel you can demonstrate otherwise, feel free to do so. Queue crickets

Anyways, lighten up. It’s Christmas after all!

Yeah I got a precursor in fotm today. But found out it is not worth as much as I expected.

Ah, but there is data. Thanks to sites like GW2 spidy and GuildWarsTrade you can see when items enter and leave the TP. It doesn’t give down to the second data, but my claim is supported when 15 left the TP and re-entered a short time later at a higher value. I’m sure to you, that’s just coincidence though. Right? Ante this fact up that this strange phenomenon been happening since Nov 15th, and both of these sites reflect that. And not just on this item, but several others. Numerous rare dyes – some that I control myself. Many of the Shaman’s Etched weapons. A lot of items have been sucked up by people looking for their own niche to grow their wealth. And again, whether you care to believe it or not – spidy & trade are there to bolster ignorance against that reality.

Buying out and controlling an item is an extremely easy thing to do, if you have the capital to do it. For some odd reason, you seem to think it’s fairy tale. There’s a private access forum that Marcko runs that is devoted to TP control and manipulation.

So what do you propose? That he takes a screen cap or video of his TP listing page to satisify you? You’d simply claim it was photoshopped or even worse, that he exploited a dupe method – even though you’d most definitely dismiss at this very moment that duping could very well be possible and that somehow Anet has let that fly under the radar.

You haven’t left me much to assume about you, given your previous post track record. History is a wonderful thing.

Waraxx.4286:

i think we might see something in the next two month as they have stated that the content added in January and February will “blow us away” and it would roughly represent a paid content expansion.

I hope that this will in fact be the scavenger hunt. I just got gift of sunrise/mastery (140 ectos away from fortune) so all I’ll need is Dawn. Another karka event would be nice

I wish i was smart enough to control a item on the TP… unfortunately I am the mouse who chases the cheese around the maze. I finally found a decent farming group and a good spot to make a decent amount of Gold/hour.

Wish I had the smarts to make money that easy, but most of my attempts either lose me gold or so time consuming that its just easier to farm.

evo.8640:

Ah, but there is data. Thanks to sites like GW2 spidy and GuildWarsTrade you can see when items enter and leave the TP. It doesn’t give down to the second data, but my claim is supported when 15 left the TP and re-entered a short time later at a higher value.

You’re assuming the 15 swords which disappeared are the same ones that later reappeared. And no, there is no data to substantiate that theory. None, zilch, zero.

There were roughly 20,000 Ectoplasms in the market on Oct 27th …and… there were roughly 20,000 Ectoplasms in the market on December 8th. These must be the same ectoplasms that were in the market back in October! Market manipulation hat time! That’s the only explanation! It’s not that they were legitimately sold and newly found/salvaged ones replenished the stock, that’s impossible!

evo.8640:

I’m sure to you, that’s just coincidence though. Right? Ante this fact up that this strange phenomenon been happening since Nov 15th, and both of these sites reflect that. And not just on this item, but several others. Numerous rare dyes – some that I control myself. Many of the Shaman’s Etched weapons. A lot of items have been sucked up by people looking for their own niche to grow their wealth. And again, whether you care to believe it or not – spidy & trade are there to bolster ignorance against that reality.

Again, no doubt manipulation exists in the market, but that doesn’t make it a magical cop-out excuse to justify why X or Y has risen in price over Z period of time. As we’ve established, short of cherry-picking data (as I have done in my above Ecto example) there is zero evidence it’s occurring with precursors. Why isn’t Zap 500 gold? Or Storm? Or Colossus? Oh wait, could it be because these items aren’t the highly sought after Dusk or Dawn? Perhaps the enormous demand for the latter has something to do with it..HMMM…

evo.8640:

So what do you propose?

If market manipulation is the issue for precursors (as you claim, despite not putting up any credible evidence) then Arenanet needs to address that problem by finding a solution to curb manipulation. Rough example: If you purchase a single item for more than 200 Gold (arbitrary number), you’re not allowed to re-list it on the TP for at least 2 weeks.

The solution is certainly not to give away precursors to everyone with their hand out so long as they complete some little quest.

evo.8640:

You haven’t left me much to assume about you, given your previous post track record. History is a wonderful thing.

I’m heartbroken!

Actually I’m not assuming a kitten thing. Three days ago, 15 Dusks left the TP all in the same minute. Not one by one over a span of time. Then a short time later, 15 were placed up on the TP – all at the same exact price and slightly undercut from the 2 that were left behind. I was online when this happened. Multiple people on SBI took note of this as it happened and were talking about it in map chat.

I wasn’t using this example as proof of my argument. Are you really that dense? Your analogy fails, by the way.

My example that GW2 Spidy / Trade reflect what I’m saying is not cherry picking data. You can keep saying that till you’re blue in the face.

Again: more people want Twilight than they want Bolt. Greatswords in general pose more use to more people overall. While beauty is in the eye of the beholder, general consensus is that most of the legendarys look, well, not legendary. So aside from cosmetics, they simply don’t offer the utility to most classes over Twilight/Sunrise.

It seems to have gone completely over your head, that with an item that is in already high demand – anyone selling that item will make more money selling it at a higher price. And people will still be willing to pay it up to a certain point. That value is currently unknown. That shouldn’t be a hard concept to wrap your head around, but yet you’re struggling. Black, Abyss, Celestial, White dyes say your argument has a little downs on its face.

You’re shifting the burden to me to prove what exactly? That someone I know personally has acquired enough wealth in the game early on to control a highly sought after item? Because no one else has achieved this much wealth? This is breaking news. It’s never happened. In any game. Ever. Like the guy who posted Twilight? Or the guy who posted Bifrost? Here, let me log onto his account, oh wai…

Let me spin this around, just for kicks. How about you prove that I’m wrong? This will be fun. Queue crickets

Still haven’t been able to provide a shred of evidence that swords appearing on the TP are relisted? That’s what I thought.

Still haven’t been able to provide a shred of evidence that I’m wrong? That’s what I thought.

Evo, stop arguing with him. Anyone with half a brain reading this thread knows you are right. Stop feeding the trolls.

99% of precursors in the TP are from china farmers. I know it’s a wild guess but me and 3 friends had the same thing happening… (The Legend, Dusk, Spark and Dawn).

The sky high offers are from themselves.. why i believe it? Because we all offered our price back then (for me on my Staff it was 270g) and we all got overbid directly from like 10 ppl over 50-70g sometimes… but we didn’t change our offers at all…

within 48hours everyone got his precursor with the price we listed and the sky high offers vanished again to the one we overbid before…

That was ~ 3 months ago though but i guess it’s still the same game

Just a wild guess

the threads about the scavenger hunt not market manipulation. its not coming in jan or feb, so you can stop holding your breathe now.

evo.8640:

Still haven’t been able to provide a shred of evidence that I’m wrong? That’s what I thought.

The market manipulators themselves are going to try to discret you as much as possible, even if the only way they can do that is by covering their ears and saying “You’re wrong! La la la I’m not listening!”. That’s all they can do to try to prevent ArenaNet from identifying them for what they truly are: the worst exploiters left in the game, who should be banned for hurting the game for everyone else.

ArenaNet should set a maximum price for the precursors and any other high valuable item. The market manipulators would lose small fortunes this way, but they would have been banned already, so who cares :-)

Rainzar.6905:

the threads about the scavenger hunt not market manipulation. its not coming in jan or feb, so you can stop holding your breathe now.

how do you know? i mean I was only speculating but how do you know? please post source(s).
and you are correct. we should stay OT.

evo.8640:

Sunreva.8714:

The price of these items continues to rise because more people find themselves situated to be able to afford their legendary and thus, they’re willing to spend more and more money to get their precursor. Run through lions arch for 5 minutes and you’ll see multiple players with Legendary’s, 2 months ago this was not the case.

More people looking to make their legendary —> more demand --> more being bought up on the market. This is why no other precursors are priced like Dawn/Dusk/Legend. Because they’re not in demand. It’s that simple. Sorry, I don’t buy this “people controlling the dawn/dusk market” stuff, it’s pure baseless speculation. If this was the case, then we’d see manipulation on all the markets. The Lover, Zap, and other precursors are plenty sought after, yet they’re not 400+ gold. This is because the demand is overall lower. No manipulation is in play.

Handing out free precursors to anyone who completes a quest or a scavenger hunt is absurd, these items should retain at least some reasonable form of value, and 100-200 gold is sufficient. If the drop system for precursors was somehow tied into the market, this could feasible address the problem. If there is only 1-5 of a particular precursor for sale (for instance), then its drop rate should be significantly increased. Likewise if there are 20-30 of them for sale, then the opposite should happen.

I could care less with what you choose to believe, the matter of fact is simple. My friend had 15 Dusks in his inventory 3 days ago. There is no baseless speculation with that. Clearly, you must not understand how market manipulation works. As I’ve also personally helped him put in fake buy orders for this particular item in question, Dusk.

If an item is sought after, more people will want it and the price will be higher. Face value is Dusk/Dawn are in higher demand by more players than any other precursor. And this is precisely why these items are controlled. They yield higher returns at a higher rate. Look at the volume of sales on any website that tracks this information. The results are clear. If there was more demand for any other precursor, you can bet those would be controlled as well. But, as it stands there isn’t. Part of this, is simply what goes into making Bolt, for instance. The cost/effort of putting Bolt together is beyond the cost/effort of putting together Twilight or Sunrise, even after the current precursor prices. Not to mention, more classes generate more builds around a greatsword, than they do a one-handed sword. Many people are put off by the cost/effort and it simply ceases to be a goal for no other reason than the ridiculousness of farming/buying charged lodestones.

The amount of people with a legendary is still relatively low. Even then, by and large most legendary owners are Twilight/Sunrise wielders by a staggering majority. Many of them, who I’ve personally talked to – to find out where they obtained their precursor (before I was given mine) – had bought them within the first few weeks of release. I’ve encountered hardly any players who are relatively new owners, and all who purchased it before the Karka event.

Apparently, you are among the few who even take issue with “everyone” obtaining a precursor. When anyone who has been on the road to crafting a legendary can tell you, there was far more work involved in everything but the precursor. It’s telling when people electronically associate status with pixels. You must be one of those who are extremely proud to stand around the cities with shiny items on.

Lol’d there are a whole 4/8 classes that can use the GS(well 2 classes, effectivly), and it saddens me to see so many warriors use them but still, that does not mean that everyone who plays 1 of those 4 classes use a gs.

evo.8640:

Still haven’t been able to provide a shred of evidence that I’m wrong? That’s what I thought.

Mimicking my responses? That white flag sure went up quick!

Generally when someone makes a claim, it becomes their responsibility to prove it, the burden of proof does not magically shift to anyone else. For instance, If I were to assert that unicorns exist, the burden of proof would rest with me to prove it, not on you to disprove it.

You are asserting that manipulation is the cause of these items being highly priced, and you have offered nothing to prove this, short of an anecdotal story about your “friend”.

Now if anyone here wants to buy your little story hook line and sinker, then thats their prerogative. But the fact remains that you thus far have been incapable of substantiating the original claim (sorry, your anecdotal “friend” story and cherry-picked TP data doesnt count)

Sunreva.8714:

evo.8640:

Still haven’t been able to provide a shred of evidence that I’m wrong? That’s what I thought.

Mimicking my responses? That white flag sure went up quick!

Generally when someone makes a claim, it becomes their responsibility to prove it, the burden of proof does not magically shift to anyone else. For instance, If I were to assert that unicorns exist, the burden of proof would rest with me to prove it, not on you to disprove it.

You are asserting that manipulation is the cause of these items being highly priced, and you have offered nothing to prove this, short of an anecdotal story about your “friend”.

Now if anyone here wants to buy your little story hook line and sinker, then thats their prerogative. But the fact remains that you thus far have been incapable of substantiating the original claim (sorry, your anecdotal “friend” story and cherry-picked TP data doesnt count)

Actually the burden of proof can go both ways, since this isn’t criminal court. You’d be correct otherwise. It’s better that you don’t toss around terms like that, if you don’t know how they’re applied in the real world.

But you know you’re asking something of me that I personally cannot prove. Unless of course you think it’s completely reasonable that I ask my friend for his login credentials. Or unless I record a home video at his house discussing this topic, fraps’ing his computer as we login to our accounts, and provide all the verified personal information to validate that we are who we say were are as well as confirming of being the legitimate owners of said accounts. Or do you propose he mails you his inventory of Dusk and you’ll send them all back? All of those methods of proof sound reasonable. I’ll get to work on that, because certainly you’d do the same in a similar circumstance no doubt.

He certainly doesn’t owe you proof on my behalf. You’ve simply stopped at that politically correct point just short of calling me a liar. When you reached that point, it was obvious that there is no rational reasoning or proof that could be provided that you’d ever accept as honest for no other reason that you’re so lockstep in the notion that such a thing could never happen. The argument you’ve formulated in your head (which you laughably think is concrete) mirrors the same questioning if you were to ask me to prove that I was given my Dusk and that it wasn’t purchased or RNG’d into my bag space. And there’s not a kitten thing I could do to prove otherwise. I’m sure you think you’re very clever.

And still, the fact that you cannot support any claim to refute what I’ve said, stands true. You can moan, kitten, and be spew all the limp wrist passive aggressiveness you’d like, but nothing will ever change that you are simply arguing with me for the sake of arguing and you’ve been waving the proverbial white flag ever since you entered a discussion beyond your understanding.

Troll somewhere else. I hear 4chan needs more.

Waraxx.4286:

Rainzar.6905:

the threads about the scavenger hunt not market manipulation. its not coming in jan or feb, so you can stop holding your breathe now.

how do you know? i mean I was only speculating but how do you know? please post source(s).
and you are correct. we should stay OT.

just taking a wild guess based on how long ANY other changes takes Anet to implement. almost 3 months is needed for the incoming fractal fix; able to rejoin, able to bring people from multiple difficulties is one example. so try to think how long it would take to design, build, test, implement a completely new idea not originally planned. would i love it in jan or feb? absolutely, theres ALOT of changes i’d like in either of those patches, but when you think about it these guys have to work to some kind of schedule so whatever is coming in jan and feb would have to be known and planned since before december easily maybe even november since both of those months were clearly focused on the “events”.

if the anet devs weren’t operating like russian kgb agents from the 50s, with more open communication we would all know more. maybe the upcoming Q&A after new year’s might shed some light but i doubt it.

If i read “supply/demand” one more time…. (ragequit)

evo.8640:

Actually the burden of proof can go both ways, since this isn’t criminal court. You’d be correct otherwise. It’s better that you don’t toss around terms like that, if you don’t know how they’re applied in the real world.

But you know you’re asking something of me that I personally cannot prove. Unless of course you think it’s completely reasonable that I ask my friend for his login credentials. Or unless I record a home video at his house discussing this topic, fraps’ing his computer as we login to our accounts, and provide all the verified personal information to validate that we are who we say were are as well as confirming of being the legitimate owners of said accounts. Or do you propose he mails you his inventory of Dusk and you’ll send them all back? All of those methods of proof sound reasonable. I’ll get to work on that, because certainly you’d do the same in a similar circumstance no doubt.

He certainly doesn’t owe you proof on my behalf. You’ve simply stopped at that politically correct point just short of calling me a liar. When you reached that point, it was obvious that there is no rational reasoning or proof that could be provided that you’d ever accept as honest for no other reason that you’re so lockstep in the notion that such a thing could never happen. The argument you’ve formulated in your head (which you laughably think is concrete) mirrors the same questioning if you were to ask me to prove that I was given my Dusk and that it wasn’t purchased or RNG’d into my bag space. And there’s not a kitten thing I could do to prove otherwise. I’m sure you think you’re very clever.

And still, the fact that you cannot support any claim to refute what I’ve said, stands true. You can moan, kitten, and be spew all the limp wrist passive aggressiveness you’d like, but nothing will ever change that you are simply arguing with me for the sake of arguing and you’ve been waving the proverbial white flag ever since you entered a discussion beyond your understanding.

Troll somewhere else. I hear 4chan needs more.

To avoid any false insinuations that my ‘burden of proof’ section could have caused, you will notice that I prefaced the section with the word ‘Generally’, this was done as a means to help alleviate the chances that the portion to follow would be misconstrued or misinterpreted. My apologies if my efforts to provide clarity in this sense still caused you undue confusion, perhaps more careful reading on your part will prevent it from happening again.

Anyways, my position is not that market manipulation doesn’t occur, we all know it does. Im simply saying that there is not enough evidence to support your claim that it’s the reason why certain precursors are so highly priced. All you’ve managed to offer is an anecdotal story about a “friend” and some cherry-picked TP data. My pointing out the fact that what you’ve offered is insufficient to support your claim doesn’t make me a troll, but it does raise the question as to whether these wild claims on your part are just being made up as you go along.

Perhaps you need to articulate your position with evidence that doesn’t have gaping holes in its validity or credibility?

Clearly there’s nothing wrong with the precursor market. If there was Anet would be doing something.

Thing is, in capitalism there are always big winners and big losers. We just aren’t on the winning side. Go search for a way to exploit the system and make your fortune. That’s how it’s done in capitalism and that’s how it’s gotta be done in GW2.

Perfect dodge Sunreva. On both the account of “burden of proof” and the entirety of your post.

Again, you’ve fallen short of calling me a liar. You either will cross that line because of frustration or you won’t as to appear the vigilant defendant of “truth”. Either way, you’re doing yourself no favors. Again, your previous posting history tells quite the story about anything anyone needs to know about you.

Nothing would satisfy what you claim would be sufficient. Not. One. Thing. I find it cute how you keep calling it cherry picked data, that everyone can see – but completely fail to expound on how the data is false or misrepresenting market manipulation of the item in question. When quite humorously, the trends for Dusk/Dawn follow the same exact trends of notoriously controlled items. To the T. As such, you’ve done nothing to further that. Again, white, celestial, abyss, black dyes say hello. Etched weapons say hello. Certain lodestones say hello.

Also curious. Do you know what anecdotal even means? That’s been the basis of you replying to me through-out this entire thread. Strangely enough, that also happens to be the basis that you think there is no manipulation of Dusk. With equally, no evidence to support that claim. Of course, other than anecdotal. lol

Your analogy of ectos was about as intelligent as using copper ore. And by intelligent, I mean to the level of a kitten child stabbing itself in the eye with a spoon.

I know patterns with numbers can’t be grasped by everyone who is still failing out of college, but most forum trolls can accomplish that much.

SteepledHat.1345:

Clearly there’s nothing wrong with the precursor market. If there was Anet would be doing something.

Thing is, in capitalism there are always big winners and big losers. We just aren’t on the winning side. Go search for a way to exploit the system and make your fortune. That’s how it’s done in capitalism and that’s how it’s gotta be done in GW2.

The thing is that Anet has said that they are doing something about it. There is a thread that is/was stickied about the precursor availability issue. They increased the forge rate and gave out tons from the Karka event.

They are working on a nonRNG non market way of acquiring them in game.

Clearly there IS a issue with the precursor market, the real question is when the issue will be resolved

evo.8640:

Perfect dodge Sunreva. On both the account of “burden of proof” and the entirety of your post.

Again, you’ve fallen short of calling me a liar. You either will cross that line because of frustration or you won’t as to appear the vigilant defendant of “truth”. Either way, you’re doing yourself no favors. Again, your previous posting history tells quite the story about anything anyone needs to know about you.

Nothing would satisfy what you claim would be sufficient. Not. One. Thing. I find it cute how you keep calling it cherry picked data, that everyone can see – but completely fail to expound on how the data is false or misrepresenting market manipulation of the item in question. When quite humorously, the trends for Dusk/Dawn follow the same exact trends of notoriously controlled items. To the T. As such, you’ve done nothing to further that. Again, white, celestial, abyss, black dyes say hello. Etched weapons say hello. Certain lodestones say hello.

Also curious. Do you know what anecdotal even means? That’s been the basis of you replying to me through-out this entire thread. Strangely enough, that also happens to be the basis that you think there is no manipulation of Dusk. With equally, no evidence to support that claim. Of course, other than anecdotal. lol

Your analogy of ectos was about as intelligent as using copper ore. And by intelligent, I mean to the level of a kitten child stabbing itself in the eye with a spoon.

I know patterns with numbers can’t be grasped by everyone who is still failing out of college, but most forum trolls can accomplish that much.

No where have you been called a liar, nor has it been implied. You’re simply being asked to substantiate your claims, which evidently you are incapable of doing. That’s fine, just admit it. If your theory is that there is a secret conspiracy to control the Dusk market, you’re entitled to believe that. Just don’t assert its factual or based on evidence that ( as we see now ) doesn’t exist.

And again, like I told you yesterday, you can also freely assume ( falsely ) whatever you want about me, play the armchair guessing games to your heart’s content. Oh oh, add in there that I also failed out of community college, and im living in my parent’s basement! The inadvertent self-projection with these thinly-veiled insults always makes them more amusing to read!

Bottom line: You can’t substantiate squat, so out the window your theory goes. When you have solid information that indicates these precursors are being bought and relisted by the same people, and that there’s a grand conspiracy to control these markets, feel free to provide it.

So then, how should I prove this to you? Go on, I’d love to hear your suggestions.

I also called you to substantiate your claims that the market for this item is not controlled. You have not done so. And you cannot do so. I’ve turned this on you purposely to demonstrate that I cannot prove what you’re asking me to – as it’s not bound to me personally and you cannot prove what I’m asking of you.

Go ahead, type out some quasi-intellectual reply. As per before. You haven’t left me much to assume about you with the quality and content of your previous post history. (Hint: not just in this thread)

If you took the college drop out comment as you being one, your reading comprehension is low.

@ evo.8640 and Sunreva.8714

Why don’t you two…you know…find a room or something?

Sweet idea! Rofl

I love when I see someone trying to manipulate the market and I undercut them
I saw some expensive crafting components on the TP: 1 listing by 1 person for like 50 of them for 60s (at least 3 times what it cost to make them). I went and made a dozen and listed them for 40s They sold within a couple hours and now the price is back around 20s

Letifer.4360:

We wouldn’t need a Scavenger Hunt if they increased the chance to get a precursor from the Mystic Forge (10% chance would be good enough imo) or implement a fixed recipe.

While that is true I would rather have the hunt quest. It will be more fun than feeding a magic blender for an awesome weapon.

That being said, they could always do both, or all 3.

Making a fixed recipe that relies on purchasable materials will lower the cost of precursors and increase the material cost until Equilibrium is met. Where that would be would likely be lower (unless the mats were 250 charged lodestone, 250 Orichalcum ingots…) I would rather see the forge rate increased today then a scavenger hunt 6 months from now.

To be honest I don’t think it is fair for ppl who acquired precursor through drop. If someone spent 200 hrs grinding just so they can get a drop then it shouldnt be easy like doing a quest to do it.
Make it harder, like a 300 hour questing to get precursor or something.
But I really wish it can be acquired through specific achievements (like dungeon master for example). If u acquired dungeon master, then some trigger quest will start which would quest your toon to a precursor.
And making recipe for precursor is not really a good idea. Then gold farmers can just buy up all the mats it and make the precursors, which, in turn, would just make all mats rise too. Check out lodestones, for example.
But still implementing something like this is a good idea.

I would also LOVE to know when this is being implemented. I have been trying to get dusk for a long time ( I’m sure others have spent countless amounts of gold and time trying to get it). I love GW2 and this is the first time in the 500 or so hours I have played where I don’t want to play anymore. All I’m doing is farming gold/mats for a while and then crafting greatswords, chucking them into the forge and getting squat. I think its ridiculous. I know I could always give up and do something else but all I need for twilight is dusk, I’ve done everything else. an ETA would be great, so i could maybe do something else for a while…

I’m waiting for a easier way to get precursors so I can sell lodestones for 30g each instead of 4g
and to those people saying they are quiting because they cant get a precursor and finish they legendary: what are you doing after you get your weapon?

I’ve been hoping to get The Legend soon, but the RNG works against me whether its chests or MF. I could raise money, but on my server it’s 500g…, increasing faster than I can make money. I hope this scavenger hunt will help out a bit. Legendaries are supposed to be made from hard work, not chance; (it is because of this chance that some technically can never get a precursor no matter how hard they work for it).

When I think of “scavenger hunt” and the types of things in GW2, I would venture that they also call making a Legendary item a “scavenger hunt”.
When they do make a scavenger hunt for a legendary precursor, it’ll probably be something like this:
250 tokens from any 4 dungeons = gift of dungeons
4 unique tokens, location found using clues, in random areas of the map, after a hard hard jump puzzle (I’m picturing labrinth-type, where there isn’t just 1 path to follow) = gift of jumping
gift of gems is purchased from gem store for 5,000 gems
gift of dungeons + gift of jumping + gift of gems + regular exotic item of that type = precursor

Letifer.4360:

We wouldn’t need a Scavenger Hunt if they increased the chance to get a precursor from the Mystic Forge (10% chance would be good enough imo) or implement a fixed recipe.

That would make precursors by far the most common drops from combining high level rares or exotics, which would just be stupidly broken.

Since today, the Spark is the very last thing I need to create the legendary dagger…is there any good soul who could lend me one?) I’m certainly not gonna farm another 400g just to feed some pricks controlling the market…well, I hope they’ll implement the scavenger hunt asap.