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Posted by: Aza.2105

Aza.2105

I’m sure those who defend this current system are from games like Aion, Lineage 2 and Tera. Typical Korean games that gives these type of players a sense of self worth, since they got lucky and were able to get a item before another player. Thus, giving them the false sense that they have accomplished something.

That’s all good for a Korean game, but this isn’t one. This is a American game. Its absolutely shameful that Anet has decided to use RNG to this magnitude, let alone a notorious grind. For what? A skin.

What developer wants to create content that only a handful can experience? I’m sure people will agree with me when I say, I don’t give a kitten about someone else running around with a legendary. I don’t see them as special or elite, that’s their business. I just want my own, for me.

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Posted by: Wanko.8103

Wanko.8103

Its absolutely shameful that Anet has decided to use RNG to this magnitude, let alone a notorious grind. For what? A skin.

It’s like they’re forcing you to get this skin or something.

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Posted by: Torvarren.6295

Torvarren.6295

If the stats aren’t better than exotics they aren’t forcing you to do anything to get the most effectiveness out of your character.

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Posted by: Promega.7628

Promega.7628

If you are blowing your entire bank roll on trying to make a precursor in the forge and afterwards you feel like crap and want to quit then I guess no one can stop you. All I’m trying to say is that there are ways to put exotics into the forge without losing money. I’m throwing you a bone here so there is no need to be hostile. I’m not even “gambling on the forge” to make another legendary it is just a fun “mini-game” at this point that I do on the side since it isn’t costing me anything per attempt.

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Posted by: Delolith.9645

Delolith.9645

What developer wants to create content that only a handful can experience? I’m sure people will agree with me when I say, I don’t give a kitten about someone else running around with a legendary. I don’t see them as special or elite, that’s their business. I just want my own, for me.

Then I am sorry to say this but you probably missed the memo when ANet said that only less than 5% of the total population will achieve a legendary. Yes….all content isn’t for everyone to experience. Learn to give respect at least to those ones that have this human virtue called stoic patience cause apart from the luck factor it also requires that.

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Posted by: Levelord.5746

Levelord.5746

Its absolutely shameful that Anet has decided to use RNG to this magnitude, let alone a notorious grind. For what? A skin.

It’s like they’re forcing you to get this skin or something.

I sat down to consider this reasoning that everyone has been saying. In many ways, you are forced to get the skin.

You’re ignoring the fact that if you choose to NOT grind for skins, there really isn’t anything else to do in the game that has any ‘reasonable’ long term goals.

People are bored, so the only thing to look forwards to is to work for skins. If skins are set to be unattainable, then I guess there’s nothing left in the game to do and people would just leave. There isn’t a middle ground for skins to work towards. They are either stupidly easy to obtain, or autistically long and boring to get.

Why spend months or years boringly grinding for materials and gold, then putting them in a casino slot machine to get a skin, when people can just buy XCOM, Borderlands, Hitman Absolution, Natural Selection 2, etc etc, play for a few hours and have their fun?

I’m not saying GW2 has to compete with these other games, but what I am saying is that people will readily jump onto other games if all GW2 does is RNG you indefinitely.

Bad analogy incoming: It’s like a girl that blueballs a guy forever. Eventually that guy is going to give up and find another girl.

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Posted by: Promega.7628

Promega.7628

594655 kitteno.8103:

Its absolutely shameful that Anet has decided to use RNG to this magnitude, let alone a notorious grind. For what? A skin.

It’s like they’re forcing you to get this skin or something.

I sat down to consider this reasoning that everyone has been saying. In many ways, you are forced to get the skin.

You’re ignoring the fact that if you choose to NOT grind for skins, there really isn’t anything else to do in the game that has any ‘reasonable’ long term goals.

People are bored, so the only thing to look forwards to is to work for skins. If skins are set to be unattainable, then I guess there’s nothing left in the game to do and people would just leave. There isn’t a middle ground for skins to work towards. They are either stupidly easy to obtain, or autistically long and boring to get.

Why spend months or years boringly grinding for materials and gold, then putting them in a casino slot machine to get a skin, when people can just buy XCOM, Borderlands, Hitman Absolution, Natural Selection 2, etc etc, play for a few hours and have their fun?

I’m not saying GW2 has to compete with these other games, but what I am saying is that people will readily jump onto other games if all GW2 does is RNG you indefinitely.

Bad analogy incoming: It’s like a girl that blueballs a guy forever. Eventually that guy is going to give up and find another girl.

There is skin middle ground. And there is nothing RNG about Forfire’s Essence. If you want a legendary then deal with the system that is in place. Otherwise adjust your goals to something you feel like putting the effort in to get. Also its only been about two months and we have had a huge halloween content update, and rumor has it that on Nov 15 we are getting another content update. Who knows what new skins and recipes will be made available at that time.

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Posted by: Levelord.5746

Levelord.5746

594655 kitteno.8103:

Its absolutely shameful that Anet has decided to use RNG to this magnitude, let alone a notorious grind. For what? A skin.

It’s like they’re forcing you to get this skin or something.

I sat down to consider this reasoning that everyone has been saying. In many ways, you are forced to get the skin.

You’re ignoring the fact that if you choose to NOT grind for skins, there really isn’t anything else to do in the game that has any ‘reasonable’ long term goals.

People are bored, so the only thing to look forwards to is to work for skins. If skins are set to be unattainable, then I guess there’s nothing left in the game to do and people would just leave. There isn’t a middle ground for skins to work towards. They are either stupidly easy to obtain, or autistically long and boring to get.

Why spend months or years boringly grinding for materials and gold, then putting them in a casino slot machine to get a skin, when people can just buy XCOM, Borderlands, Hitman Absolution, Natural Selection 2, etc etc, play for a few hours and have their fun?

I’m not saying GW2 has to compete with these other games, but what I am saying is that people will readily jump onto other games if all GW2 does is RNG you indefinitely.

Bad analogy incoming: It’s like a girl that blueballs a guy forever. Eventually that guy is going to give up and find another girl.

There is skin middle ground. And there is nothing RNG about Forfire’s Essence. If you want a legendary then deal with the system that is in place. Otherwise adjust your goals to something you feel like putting the effort in to get. Also its only been about two months and we have had a huge halloween content update, and rumor has it that on Nov 15 we are getting another content update. Who knows what new skins and recipes will be made available at that time.

I’m not the one after a legendary, it’s not even my goal. But even I can see bad game design from here, and I can see why some people find the system in place frustrating. It’s not about who should deal with it or not, it’s about bad game design.

I’ve yet to see a compelling argument to keep RNG in place. It’s an obsolete Korean MMO mechanic that’s over a decade old and I don’t understand why Anet would take a step backwards in game design by implementing this, when they’ve already done positive things like remove the trinity and removed vertical gear progression.

Guild Wars 1 has already proven that you didn’t need RNG to provide progression. There was no random mystic casino to eat up your ectoplasms for you to get FoW armor. No lost prestige of getting the armor and it was still hard to get.

So I still disagree about having RNG here. Didn’t need it for the past 7 years for GW1 to be a success, and GW2 certainly doesn’t need it now.

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Posted by: Wanko.8103

Wanko.8103

You’re ignoring the fact that if you choose to NOT grind for skins, there really isn’t anything else to do in the game that has any ‘reasonable’ long term goals.

You’re complaining about lack of end-game and asking to make Legendary, only viable end-game content, to be easier to acquire. It doesn’t make sense.

Why spend months or years boringly grinding for materials and gold, then putting them in a casino slot machine to get a skin.

What about option to buy precursor off TP? Is TP bugged or you can’t use it for some other reason?

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Posted by: Levelord.5746

Levelord.5746

You’re ignoring the fact that if you choose to NOT grind for skins, there really isn’t anything else to do in the game that has any ‘reasonable’ long term goals.

You’re complaining about lack of end-game and asking to make Legendary, only viable end-game content, to be easier to acquire. It doesn’t make sense.

Why spend months or years boringly grinding for materials and gold, then putting them in a casino slot machine to get a skin.

What about option to buy precursor off TP? Is TP bugged or you can’t use it for some other reason?

Again, I’m not the one going for a legendary and I’m not complaining either, I’m just stating an observation.

I’m not asking for legendaries to be easier, I’m asking that the game give a clear amount of what needs to be done to obtain it. I probably don’t speak for those people, but I’m quite sure that they would prefer to be told that it takes a fixed 500 Exotic greatswords to craft a part of a legendary, rather than be told it takes 4 GS and to gamble them mindlessly until something spits out with a 0.01% chance.

You’re making an assumption that because I want to get rid of RNG that I am asking for the legendaries to be easier.
Getting rid of RNG is not the same as asking for a decrease in mat requirements.
I’m not asking for a decrease in mat requirements, and by all means, increase the material requirements until it is fitting of a legendary, but for goodness sake get rid of RNG.

Telling people to avoid the mystic forge just confirms that the forge itself has major gameplay issues. I too recommend people to buy precursors off the TP as well, but it’s just sidestepping the gameplay flaw of the mystic forge.
I’m sure Anet intends the forge to be just as viable as the TP to obtain the precursor, but at the moment it doesn’t seem so.

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Posted by: Aza.2105

Aza.2105

Debolith,

Stoic patience? I won’t even begin to dissect such a comment. Aside from that, everything you are trying to justify is forfeit by the fact that you can use your credit card to obtain everything.

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Posted by: Delolith.9645

Delolith.9645

Debolith,

Stoic patience? I won’t even begin to dissect such a comment. Aside from that, everything you are trying to justify is forfeit by the fact that you can use your credit card to obtain everything.

Really? How about you give it a try and “dissect” my comment.

On another note…I guess you can buy 1.2 mil karma right? How about world completion. 500 honor badges? Those are also included in your to-buy list right? Don’t get me wrong. I would prefer if it required 10000 honor badges and 3 mil karma rather than gold and luck.

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Posted by: Aza.2105

Aza.2105

It would be a complete waste of my time and effort to do so.

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Posted by: Delolith.9645

Delolith.9645

It would be a complete waste of my time and effort to do so.

Really? So you disagree with my above post (the second one)?

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Posted by: Wanko.8103

Wanko.8103

You’re making an assumption that because I want to get rid of RNG that I am asking for the legendaries to be easier.
Getting rid of RNG is not the same as asking for a decrease in mat requirements.
I’m not asking for a decrease in mat requirements, and by all means, increase the material requirements until it is fitting of a legendary, but for goodness sake get rid of RNG.

Telling people to avoid the mystic forge just confirms that the forge itself has major gameplay issues. I too recommend people to buy precursors off the TP as well, but it’s just sidestepping the gameplay flaw of the mystic forge.
I’m sure Anet intends the forge to be just as viable as the TP to obtain the precursor, but at the moment it doesn’t seem so.

There is NO point in taking out RNG, since RNG is an option. Don’t like it? Don’t use it. End of story.

Forge itself is viable, it’s just that some people believe they have a high chance of putting 50g of worth weapons into the Forge and obtaining 300g worth precursor.

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Posted by: Aza.2105

Aza.2105

It would be a complete waste of my time and effort to do so.

Really? So you disagree with my above post (the second one)?

No, I feel what you are saying in regards to how ultimately it would be better to have 10000 badges and 3mil karma. I could agree with that sort of change. Its your use of patience that concerned me. But that’s not very important to discuss.

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Posted by: Ulquiorra.6903

Ulquiorra.6903

You’re making an assumption that because I want to get rid of RNG that I am asking for the legendaries to be easier.
Getting rid of RNG is not the same as asking for a decrease in mat requirements.
I’m not asking for a decrease in mat requirements, and by all means, increase the material requirements until it is fitting of a legendary, but for goodness sake get rid of RNG.

Telling people to avoid the mystic forge just confirms that the forge itself has major gameplay issues. I too recommend people to buy precursors off the TP as well, but it’s just sidestepping the gameplay flaw of the mystic forge.
I’m sure Anet intends the forge to be just as viable as the TP to obtain the precursor, but at the moment it doesn’t seem so.

There is NO point in taking out RNG, since RNG is an option. Don’t like it? Don’t use it. End of story.

Forge itself is viable, it’s just that some people believe they have a high chance of putting 50g of worth weapons into the Forge and obtaining 300g worth precursor.

and what of people who put in over 600g and still dont get it? let me guess buy it from tp? what if every1 wanted to buy it from tp and all precursors were gone? what then?

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Posted by: Delolith.9645

Delolith.9645

You’re making an assumption that because I want to get rid of RNG that I am asking for the legendaries to be easier.
Getting rid of RNG is not the same as asking for a decrease in mat requirements.
I’m not asking for a decrease in mat requirements, and by all means, increase the material requirements until it is fitting of a legendary, but for goodness sake get rid of RNG.

Telling people to avoid the mystic forge just confirms that the forge itself has major gameplay issues. I too recommend people to buy precursors off the TP as well, but it’s just sidestepping the gameplay flaw of the mystic forge.
I’m sure Anet intends the forge to be just as viable as the TP to obtain the precursor, but at the moment it doesn’t seem so.

There is NO point in taking out RNG, since RNG is an option. Don’t like it? Don’t use it. End of story.

Forge itself is viable, it’s just that some people believe they have a high chance of putting 50g of worth weapons into the Forge and obtaining 300g worth precursor.

Totally agree. On the other hand this thread is hugely derailed due to 2 types of people against the whole precursor system.

1st category is the people asking legitimetly for less RNG without making the process effortless (appropriate cost of 200-300g).

2nd category is the people asking for instant gratification or with minimal effort since they “worth” to experience all the content since they payed.

Yes, it is understandable what the 1st category is saying. A big no for second category.

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Posted by: Aza.2105

Aza.2105

Your second category makes no sense, instant gratification would be impossible since there would be no game.

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Posted by: Delolith.9645

Delolith.9645

Your second category makes no sense, instant gratification would be impossible since there would be no game.

Do you know of the word “exaggeration”? It is sometimes used to make a point. Do you prefer the phrase watered down than instant gratification?

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Posted by: Aza.2105

Aza.2105

No I’m not sure what either word means, you would have to explain.

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Posted by: ryokoalways.3450

ryokoalways.3450

There will be people that are lucky and land precursors from the forge, and there will be those that will never get one through a forge. I immediately placed myself in the second category and aimed to buy one. It’s a risk/reward thing you have to evaluate for yourself.

You will always have a choice between making one and and buying one. The supply of precursors will never dry out because there will always be someone hitting the jackpot. It may be a price that you end up unwilling to pay, but in that case the forge is always available. If you don’t think you can make 1 for “600g” worth of material, then you’d just save up and buy one.

Alternatively, don’t go for one of those at all. Finally, if your concern is the achievement, offhand precursors are 25g each.

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Posted by: Promega.7628

Promega.7628

@Levellord

If you don’t like RNG then save up to buy a precursor. It is really not a hard task. It took me a little over 300 hours to buy everything I needed for my Twilight running a ful magic find set in cursed shore. No RNG involved. Heck you might even get lucky and find something worth tons of gold along the way.

No one is forcing you to put items in the mystic forge, or to go for a legendary in particular. Stop acting like ANet is twisting your arm to dump all your gold and items into the MF.

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Posted by: Wanko.8103

Wanko.8103

and what of people who put in over 600g and still dont get it? let me guess buy it from tp?

And what about people, who spend all their money in casino? It’s their own kitten fault. No one is forcing you.

what if every1 wanted to buy it from tp and all precursors were gone? what then?

I don’t see a point of this question. What if everyone decided to forget about legendaries and buy butter instead?

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Posted by: Delolith.9645

Delolith.9645

No I’m not sure what either word means, you would have to explain.

It means people that want the whole process made “easier” or less grindy if you would like so that it fits the time they are willing to invest in the game.

No. End game is not ment for everyone to be experience unless they devote specific time to this hobby. When ANet said that less than 5% of the total population will achieve a legendary I am pretty confident they were very very clear with what they said.

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Posted by: Wolfhammer.3140

Wolfhammer.3140

I hate seeing threads like this as Im approaching the time I should start thinking about this stuff.

This is one of problems with a game without quests… This shizzle would be perfect for a Heritage Quest kind of deal ala EQ2 !! I miss that stuff !!

SM – Gandarra

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Posted by: melchiz.7182

melchiz.7182

@Levellord
It took me a little over 300 hours to buy everything I needed for my Twilight running a ful magic find set in cursed shore.

300 hours @ $8/hour = $2400. Assuming that this is your only source of income, you would get most of your gross income back via rebate.

Why didn’t you get a job and buy the precursor? $200 or so for the precursor, and you’re still up over $2000. My point? A Legendary doesn’t mean much when the major component of it can be purchased with cash (precursor + all other TP materials), at a yield far greater than in-game time investments.

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Posted by: ryokoalways.3450

ryokoalways.3450

300 hours @ $8/hour = $2400. Assuming that this is your only source of income, you would get most of your gross income back via rebate.

Why didn’t you get a job and buy the precursor? $200 or so for the precursor, and you’re still up over $2000. My point? A Legendary doesn’t mean much when the major component of it can be purchased with cash (precursor + all other TP materials), at a yield far greater than in-game time investments.

If this is your argument, then you are completely missing the point of playing a game. This is the thought process of gold buyers, not legitimate gamers. We earn it, even if time spent is less efficient in comparison because we are playing the game instead of wasting money on it. We’ve already paid for the content. There is no reason to spend a penny more.

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Posted by: jokermo.3058

jokermo.3058

You’re ignoring the fact that if you choose to NOT grind for skins, there really isn’t anything else to do in the game that has any ‘reasonable’ long term goals.

You’re complaining about lack of end-game and asking to make Legendary, only viable end-game content, to be easier to acquire. It doesn’t make sense.

Why spend months or years boringly grinding for materials and gold, then putting them in a casino slot machine to get a skin.

What about option to buy precursor off TP? Is TP bugged or you can’t use it for some other reason?

yes it actually is bugged for me havent been able to use it since launch and even if i could i wouldnt come close to 400 g they need to increase drops somewhat and maybe provide some more money into the economy without my tp im broke i cant even buy my armor let alone a 400g weapon that im going to be using to maybe getting a legendary

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Posted by: Promega.7628

Promega.7628

@Levellord
It took me a little over 300 hours to buy everything I needed for my Twilight running a ful magic find set in cursed shore.

300 hours @ $8/hour = $2400. Assuming that this is your only source of income, you would get most of your gross income back via rebate.

Why didn’t you get a job and buy the precursor? $200 or so for the precursor, and you’re still up over $2000. My point? A Legendary doesn’t mean much when the major component of it can be purchased with cash (precursor + all other TP materials), at a yield far greater than in-game time investments.

300 hours in game farming was a blast. 300 hours at a sub minimum wage job is pathetically boring. I work full time as is so Im not interested in working more for money when my free time is far more important to me. I don’t care if others want to spend real ching for their legendaries. I know the work that went into mine and I am very satisfied with myself having completed it.

I don’t really understand what your argument is here… If I totalled up the amount of hours I have put into MMOs over the past decade and considerd how much I could have made working at minimum wage jobs, sure I would have some extra dough… but what is your point?

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Posted by: melchiz.7182

melchiz.7182

300 hours in game farming was a blast.

Wait, what? “My free time is valuable, so I spend it doing menial and repetitive things.”

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Posted by: TheGuy.3568

TheGuy.3568

Look if your going to shoot for it then expect to go through this. Anybody who came from Aion and certain other Korean mmos knows what I am talking about. At least in this situation its basically a choice. The stats aren’t game breaking and you are basically trying for a skin. Its supposed to be tough so it sets you apart from the rest of us. I wish the OP luck but that’s about it. When you get your weapon I hope you realize that almost no one has it and its “special”. As long as you feel the time you spent on it was meaningful then the trial isn’t all that important.

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Posted by: Promega.7628

Promega.7628

300 hours in game farming was a blast.

Wait, what? “My free time is valuable, so I spend it doing menial and repetitive things.”

Socializing with friends, attempting to find the most efficient ways to do things, actually playing the game… menial and repetitive may be one way to describe it, but your entire life can be described as the same thing… so again what is your argument here.

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Posted by: Wanko.8103

Wanko.8103

yes it actually is bugged for me havent been able to use it since launch and even if i could i wouldnt come close to 400 g

I got 300g by playing TP. It’s really easy.

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Posted by: Malediktus.9250

Malediktus.9250

Be proud of yourself. You got rich by dishonest ways of earning money.

1st person worldwide to reach 35,000 achievement points.

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Posted by: ChairGraveyard.2967

ChairGraveyard.2967

Claiming that craptacular Korean grindfests use the same system is not in any way a good argument for it existing in GW2.

This is a western MMO, that kind of garbage game design has no place here. There’s a reason that those games are not popular here (because they are sucky boring crap).

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Posted by: Sizzle Hint.1820

Sizzle Hint.1820

Someone here mentioned that he actually makes + by attempting to craft an precursor and i can fully support this. If you think about it for a minute you’re actually doing it wrong by buying lvl 80 exotics from the AH and then putting them into the MF to attempt a precursor.

Right now an attempt costs me around 1,5g and i will most likely make more out of the exotic i get from the MF back. I dont actually lose money by trying, i actually make a profit. You don’t have to put lvl 80 exotics in there, 75+ works fine and you have the chance to get one. Even if you don’t get an Precursor out of it you will 95% get a lvl 80 exotic which is worth much more than 1,5g.

If you buy lvl 80 exotics and put them into the Forge and get nothing in return (even after 1000 of trys) than there is noone to blame besides you. There are better ways without risking tons of gold.

And yes, i have gotten my precursor (after around 50 tries with lvl 75+ exotics).

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Posted by: Rore.3548

Rore.3548

I’d just like to point out a few things that everyone seems to be missing:

1: Legendary weapons are just skins, the stats are insignificantly better than those of normal exotics.

2: Legendaries are time investments / money sinks. I can make an easy 10g / week with less than 1 hour of time play a day. For those of you who have already attempted to get your precursor, imagine how much gold you would have right now. What would you be doing with all of that? Probably nothing.

3: Relax.

Almost every thread I’ve seen about people complaining about not getting a precursor seems to want it NOW. What are you going to do when you get it? kitten about something else I’d imagine.

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Posted by: ChairGraveyard.2967

ChairGraveyard.2967

Almost every thread I’ve seen about people complaining about not getting a precursor seems to want it NOW. What are you going to do when you get it? kitten about something else I’d imagine.

No one except you (and other people parroting the tired “everyone wants precursors for 1c each” straw man argument) has actually said that, and it also ignores entirely the very real issues people actually have been mentioning, which do not amount to “everyone wants a precursor now for nothing”.

That’s not the issue and no one here is claiming it is (save you).

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Posted by: Vorpal.4683

Vorpal.4683

RNG systems are bad, now, always, and forever. They are illustrative of either lazy designers, or ones who outright hate their players.

There is no excuse for them to be any part of the game.

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Posted by: Sifu.6527

Sifu.6527

RNG is awesome because some players have wasted a ton of real life money to buy Gem in exchange gold. Ultimately, the cash shop funds content updates for all players.

Love it or not; this is how Free to Play with Cash Shop model works.

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Posted by: SlimJim.3087

SlimJim.3087

Im dont know if it was explain but ill sum up why the Mystic Forge is crap…

RNG = Random Number Generator… This is mean if the forge actually uses real RNG then there are 0 odds, you have no odds, I have no odds, its all 100% random.

This means joe-blow could put 4 swords in and get Dawn, where as I could put 10 million in and never get anything. This is underhand and wrong on so many lvls, and it shows why the pre cursors on the TP are so over priced… joe-blows got them and said forget the legendaries and threw them up there, all the while ppl like the OP are suffering… Anet needs to rethink this somehow.

Also the gem store may be optional, but I bet on average ppl have spent more in there then they would on a subscription MMO over the course of 6 months, and this game has barely been out for 2…………… think about it you buy gems twice and thats almost the cost of 6 months in some MMO’s… and worst of all GEMS are freaking useless for the most part!!!

This game needs to be more game and less Barbies Dress Up: Lets make a pop video edition!

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Posted by: lackofcheese.5617

lackofcheese.5617

What does “0 odds, you have no odds, I have no odds” even mean?

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Posted by: Anatolian Turk.4057

Anatolian Turk.4057

Buying the legendary precursor from the trading post (TP) isn’t a right idea. Let me tell you a story . You have two people. You have one person who wants the precursor to craft their legendary weapon/armor and the other one who’s selling the precursor at the TP for 400g. Alright, the person who wants to buy it from the TP needs to put so much effort, spend a lot of his or her time day and night farming for the gold. Thats more than 1000 hours farming probably . While on the other hand the person selling the precursor (most likely got it from the karma exploit) has put ZERO effort. Nothing! Not even one drop of sweat. Come on, Is that fair? Is that justice? I know life in the real world isnt fair but come on they should atleast make things fair in the game. Oh Well, “Such is life”.

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Posted by: Colbear.6425

Colbear.6425

Maybe you should be more efficient with your time if your idea of farming earns you less than 50 silver an hour. Also, there weren’t nearly as many exploited karma weapons turned into precursors as you think there are.

If you even pay a little bit of attention to this forum and other forums, there’s tons of people talking about looting a precursor from a mob or getting one in their first ten forges or whatever.

What makes you so sure that the people selling their precursors didn’t spend a hundred gold throwing things into the forge for it? Why are you trying to drag other people down? If they were lucky, why can’t you be happy for them?

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Posted by: Agemnon.4608

Agemnon.4608

“This means joe-blow could put 4 swords in and get Dawn, where as I could put 10 million in and never get anything”

I know you are using 10 million as an extreme example, but even with RNG and true randomness at far less than 10 million you are still guaranteed a precursor. A .1% chance is an infinitesimal chance, but it’s still a chance. Just remember not to blow all your gold on the gamble, as rares could be crafted. Although you might be better off simply selling the gathered mats and just saving for it outright.

Now, this may sound harsh, and the OP does have my sympathy, but if people regularly got a precursor from throwing exotics in it’d be a 10% chance of obtaining one (4o exotics = 10 attempts), which is still way too high given how rare legendaries are supposed to be. Maybe a 3% chance using exotics is reasonable.

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Posted by: Anatolian Turk.4057

Anatolian Turk.4057

Maybe you should be more efficient with your time if your idea of farming earns you less than 50 silver an hour. Also, there weren’t nearly as many exploited karma weapons turned into precursors as you think there are.

If you even pay a little bit of attention to this forum and other forums, there’s tons of people talking about looting a precursor from a mob or getting one in their first ten forges or whatever.

What makes you so sure that the people selling their precursors didn’t spend a hundred gold throwing things into the forge for it? Why are you trying to drag other people down? If they were lucky, why can’t you be happy for them?

There is only handful of people controlling the economy in gw2 and they are the ones who are selling legendary precursors on the TP for 300g-500g. Most of them are either botters, exploiters, hackers etc. Come on we all know that. The chances of getting precursor from drops is like 0.001%. And those who are lucky enough to get the precursor from the mystic forge are going to keep them and they are not stupid to sell them on the TP if they need it to craft their legendary weapon. I have nothing against legit players, if they deserve to get the precursor i’ll be happy for them.

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Posted by: lackofcheese.5617

lackofcheese.5617

There is only handful of people controlling the economy in gw2 and they are the ones who are selling legendary precursors on the TP for 300g-500g. Most of them are either botters, exploiters, hackers etc. Come on we all know that.

I don’t “know” that. As far as I can tell, you’re just making it up.

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Posted by: lackofcheese.5617

lackofcheese.5617

I know you are using 10 million as an extreme example, but even with RNG and true randomness at far less than 10 million you are still guaranteed a precursor. A .1% chance is an infinitesimal chance, but it’s still a chance. Just remember not to blow all your gold on the gamble, as rares could be crafted. Although you might be better off simply selling the gathered mats and just saving for it outright.

Well, technically it’s possible to throw ten million in without a precursor, but given that the chance is something like 1 in a googol, for practical purposes it’s pretty much guaranteed.

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Posted by: OneTyper.7045

OneTyper.7045

MMOs are just like the real life and its economy, people who know how to invest in the stock market are making big money (flippers), other people are working everyday for a salary (casual players or let’s say legit players), thieves of gold, jewelry, banks and houses (botters/hackers), some other are gambling in casino (Mystic forge players).

The game is giving changes to play with your own style, without risks, it’s all about you if you are talented and mature enough to embrace that style

This game is heavily based on a well-balanced economy, they are trying their best to keep things in place. While there are systems that could be better structured, it’s always going to be like this, unless you cut any trade system and currency including any botting/hacking, which honestly it’s a dream, every online game with item drops and currency successful enough is going to have any sort of trouble, no matter how good are the developers.

They are doing their best to give a bit for everyone, perhaps a mistake would have been to market this game as very casual friendly and very opened to inexperienced, while setting quite hardcore mechanics that are misunderstood.

I understand kids that have little to no knowledge of how the world goes and complain, fair enough, but if you have a certain age and still can’t grasp that… get out of gaming and look a bit around you.

Perhaps I have to say that one thing maybe Anet didn’t understand is that considering the little advantage in term of stats for legendaries, hard core wouldn’t be really the target, as hardcore players are interested mainly on the stats, not vanity, and the average good exotic is good enough in most cases, and in the meanwhile the casual players are struggling as they are more towards the vanity yet they don’t have the capability/mindset of the hardcore ones. That’s perhaps a poor psychological analysis by your side, Anet.

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