Guild Wars 2

I’ve been reading a lot about Legendaries. I think many have.

So, I’ve sort of put together a little mash up of ArenaNet’s information regarding Legendaries (from videos and blog posts and whatnot) and compared it to some logic and reality. Are they worth crafting? Are they really what ArenaNet has described them to be? Let’s find out by examining some key issues people are current having with crafting Legendaries. (Note: Most players aren’t lugging around hundreds of gold. This examination implies the player is crafting a legendary by acquiring most/everything for it traditionally, and not by buying all of it off the Trading Post.)

First, let’s listen in to a 15-second definition of what a Legendary is by Isaiah:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MdA4MlrF5mA&list=PLsTWr5kb83L-tO9ABPOzYJVeRcqC-q3Hm&index=1&feature=plpp_video

Now let’s look at what is_really_involved:

1) Crafting a Legendary will require a huge amount of crafting materials (including T6 mats and ectoplasm).

Bear that in mind while you watch this 15-second snippet:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FU1JUwPqzQY&list=PLsTWr5kb83L-tO9ABPOzYJVeRcqC-q3Hm&index=3&feature=plpp_video

Now, please go and grind for your mats, dungeon tokens, and everything that will be needed for your legendary Oh, don’t forget karma, and spending 100g on those Icy Runestones!

2) Crafting a Legendary will require a huge amount of luck.

Bear this in mind while listening to Isaiah Cartwright for 15 seconds:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MdA4MlrF5mA&list=PLsTWr5kb83L-tO9ABPOzYJVeRcqC-q3Hm&index=4&feature=plpp_video

So, apparently getting extremely lucky while acquiring your precursor in the Mystic Forge is an “accomplishment now” …it definitely “symbolizes all we’ve been doing”, which is dumping items into the Forge, continually….as he said at the end, “we want you to continue playing” Let’s add to that the 77 Mystic Clovers…

Izzy wrote on October 5th: “Legendary Weapons are the end result of an epic adventure in Guild Wars 2. You’ll travel all over, collecting items and amassing materials to build your Legendary Weapon.” Oh! This sounds like fun! He then added, however, how this epic adventure will begin: “It all starts with a base weapon—these are the extremely rare exotic weapons. Once you’ve obtained your base weapon, you’ll need to present gifts to Zommoros…” For many (likely most) this epic adventure will never begin Why, you say? Because they will be unable to obtain their extremely rare exotic base weapon. That sounds awesome…

He then adds: “They show off your accomplishments….and show everyone that you are a true master of Guild Wars 2”…I think he meant RNG.
(reference to Izzy’s post: https://www.guildwars2.com/en/news/my-legend-grows-forging-your-first-legendary-weapon/)

Why are we unhappy? It’s simple: we all want to feel Legendary, eventually…

We’re all heroes after all, aren’t we?

What? Legendaries are made for the elite-class players? True…as tons have mentioned, however, there’s nothing elite about farming mindlessly and lucking out.

I love ArenaNet. I played GW1. I waited for years in anticipation as GW2 was developed. I watched each video they released with great excitement, read every single blog post, read countless articles on the GW2 Wiki before it was released just to get a taste of the world which was coming our way. I believed in ArenaNet. I believed they’d craft one of the best MMO’s ever created, Legendary even (no pun intended). I’m starting to feel let down by their lack of loyalty to what they promised us…I don’t want this game to earn a reputation like some not-to-be-mentioned MMO’s out there…

Shouldn’t we be able to accomplish whatever it is we strive for in a video game?

Tell me I’m wrong?

Yes, apparently, anet says you’re wrong. That guy has tried well over 1000 rares/exotics at the forge. And that’s a typical example, too. According to their current precursor system, this is supposed to be a Korean MMO with draconic rng that makes you lose everything if you’re not extremely lucky.

You are wrong.

Simply put you can avoid the precursor randomness by just buying one. Getting the gold to do it is just a time investment.

You say “Shouldn’t we be able to accomplish whatever it is we strive for in a video game?”

If you’re good enough, or strive for it long enough, yes. But it sounds like you want it made easier. I want to win the GSL for SC2, but I don’t have the time or skills to invest into the game to make me good enough to do it.

Sometimes you don’t win in the game. I don’t know why that’s an issue. Get better, try harder. Don’t always be begging for it to be made easier just cause you don’t like it.

You can. If you play long enough you’ll eventually get a Legendary. It’s as simple as that.

I understand your frustration but this is the Nteenth post on this same subject. This exact same subject. It’s really not all that helpful or adding to the discussion on the subject.

@Kami @EndlessDreamer

Notice, I did not once beg for it to be made easier. I did not once ask for it.

If you watched the videos, it will show you that when it comes to Legendaries, Anet has not lived up to it’s own definition of what is acceptable in an MMO.

No, at this rate most players won’t ever get a legendary, not in 1 year, not in 5 years. The prices on the TP for precursors have been growing exponentially this past 2 weeks. By the time most players can farm up more gold to make up for this inflation, the new price will be even higher. I am now part of these people, as the chaos gun has risen past 170g. I now know I cannot ever catch up to the current prices, even though I have acquired (and partially spent) well over 250g total by now.

And combining 1000+ rares/exotics or more and getting NOTHING for it while, say, the guy next to you might gets it on the 1st try? What part of that is winning or losing? What part of that has anything to do with being good at winning SC2? What kind of sick/misused analogy is that?

@Kami- “You are wrong.Simply put you can avoid the precursor randomness by just buying one. Getting the gold to do it is just a time investment.”

This honestly couldn’t be further from the truth. The average – semi hardcore player will NEVER amass enough gold for these weapons. I know because I am neither, I’m currently sitting at 370g after dropping 120+ exotics into the forge and getting literally nothing back. Could I personally spend a week in game and get another 100-150g to buy it off the post? Maybe, but then I would be playing the game in a way that is not fun to me, the person who bought it, then I would be grinding even more than I already do, in a game where the building blocks were said to be that of anti grind.

Some insight:
Average gold income for a player is ~1-5 gold a day. That’s 80 days of farming at 5 gold income. That’s pretty unrealistic considering some days I don’t even make 5g. All of that farming, to be dropped in less than a second to buy the item off the TP, at current prices for the greatswords. This kind of grinding again, does not reflect the words of ANET prior to release. This is also assuming that the prices do not fluctuate, which has shown to be untrue, since the price is going up by 50-100g a week or more.

These people, can NEVER (unless they literally win the lottery) get a precursor because due to the rarity, the price will continue to go up.

There are far better ways that could be thought of to get the precursor, like additional instances (story line-esque) requiring you to be skillful at your class (dropping ever increasing sums of gold is not the only or best solution), achievement based, or the many other ways people have brought up in other discussions. Leaving it as is is beneficial to the people who already have the items, and not the player base at large.

I have been sitting with 3/4 of my legendary done for weeks. That last 1/4 I need (after already getting my 77 clovers from the RNG nightmare) is 1 exotic sword. I have spent VAST amounts of gold on this 1 item, more gold than a good percentage of the player base will ever have in their inventory, and I have literally NOTHING to show for it.

I wonder what would happen if the precursors were account bound on discovery…

Mario Lemieux.9107:

Shouldn’t we be able to accomplish whatever it is we strive for in a video game?

And this is what’s wrong with current MMO community these days, every game nowadays is now expected to be beaten by 100% of players instead of 5-10% back in the days

God forbid legendary is hard to get

ANet should change how legendaries are acquired:

• Precursor even harder to get
• 500 clovers
• Glory rank 30
• 10k players killed in WvW
• 2000 tokens from every dungeon

Now that would be real legendary

Vicariuz.1605:

@Kami- “You are wrong.Simply put you can avoid the precursor randomness by just buying one. Getting the gold to do it is just a time investment.”

This honestly couldn’t be further from the truth. The average – semi hardcore player will NEVER amass enough gold for these weapons. I know because I am neither, I’m currently sitting at 370g after dropping 120+ exotics into the forge and getting literally nothing back. Could I personally spend a week in game and get another 100-150g to buy it off the post? Maybe, but then I would be playing the game in a way that is not fun to me, the person who bought it, then I would be grinding even more than I already do, in a game where the building blocks were said to be that of anti grind.

Some insight:
Average gold income for a player is ~1-5 gold a day. That’s 80 days of farming at 5 gold income. That’s pretty unrealistic considering some days I don’t even make 5g. All of that farming, to be dropped in less than a second to buy the item off the TP, at current prices for the greatswords. This kind of grinding again, does not reflect the words of ANET prior to release. This is also assuming that the prices do not fluctuate, which has shown to be untrue, since the price is going up by 50-100g a week or more.

These people, can NEVER (unless they literally win the lottery) get a precursor because due to the rarity, the price will continue to go up.

There are far better ways that could be thought of to get the precursor, like additional instances (story line-esque) requiring you to be skillful at your class (dropping ever increasing sums of gold is not the only or best solution), achievement based, or the many other ways people have brought up in other discussions. Leaving it as is is beneficial to the people who already have the items, and not the player base at large.

I have been sitting with 3/4 of my legendary done for weeks. That last 1/4 I need (after already getting my 77 clovers from the RNG nightmare) is 1 exotic sword. I have spent VAST amounts of gold on this 1 item, more gold than a good percentage of the player base will ever have in their inventory, and I have literally NOTHING to show for it.

Then the average to semi-hardcore player never gets a legendary. Anet has already said they’d step in if they feel like it’s getting out of hand. I’d love to get my legendary right away, but I don’t have the stomach to chain farm Karma and gold. I’ve accepted that it could be weeks and maybe months before I get my Juggernaut.

The game isn’t forcing you to be here. People are being disappointed by not getting a legendary on a self imposed timeline. I figure that if it does get truly out of hand, expect an alternate way to get the precursors to show up. I like the idea of world bosses dropping precursors. Or making a precursor with equally rare components. Who knows? Maybe they don’t do anything, precursors fly to 1000g per, and no one ever gets a legendary again (this is doubtful based on Anets previous statements)

Frankly I think that most people are over reacting to the whole situation because they’re burning themselves out trying to rush to a Legendary. There seems to be some sense of entitlement of “if I put X amount of time in, I should get Y no matter what” and frankly, that just isn’t the case right now.

Chronologist.9782:

And this is what’s wrong with current MMO community these days, every game nowadays is now expected to be beaten by 100% of players instead of 5-10% back in the days

God forbid legendary is hard to get

ANet should change how legendaries are acquired:

Precursor even harder to get
500 clovers
Glory rank 30
10k players killed in WvW
2000 tokens from every dungeon

Now that would be real legendary

R30? Check. 10k WvW kills? Ok, I can get that NP (have 2k+ already), I’ll even try to get it all while soloing without dying as a bonus. 2000 tokens every dungeon? Ok, thats a big grind, none of the dungeon exp modes ever really challenged skill, just my patience at dealing with bad pugs.

But you have to be joking me when you say 500 clovers and precursor being even less likely to get from rng. I mean. You do realize that old-school games weren’t hard because you had a 1 in 1,000,000 chance to survive an unavoidable, 1-shot attack? This is what’s happening here.

Currently, no amount of skill, dedication or planning can prepare you for the Korean-rng nightmare that is the precursor. 77 clovers is acceptable, because the clover recipes aren’t < 10% success rate, but come on. we are talking 0.01% success rate, that is over 1000 rares/exotics that you have to buy and then throw away, because you certainly will not get that many from just drops, EVER.

I’m sorry but you are high, trolling or messed up in the head if you think the current clover/precursor BS is anything but a badly-designed time sink with no skill, no fairness, no accessibility, none of the qualities anet boasts GW2 has.

I will gladly do even 20k+ WvW kills and r40+ spvp rank over this skill-less, click-the-forge-a-zillion-times precursor BS. GLADLY.

EndlessDreamer.6780:

You can. If you play long enough you’ll eventually get a Legendary. It’s as simple as that.

Someone doesn’t understand how probability works.

You can play forever and never get an item with a 99% drop rate.

Unless the game has some sort of mechanism to increase the drop probability over time (reaching 100%), like the one in Team Fortress 2, there is no guarantee that you’ll get any item, regardless of how long you play.

I think what people are complaining about is not that legendaries are “hard” to get, it’s just that there’s nothing particularly epic about the process of acquiring them, other than dealing with some very big numbers and some very small probabilities.

No story, nothing to challenge your skill, they’re basically just a test of luck, willingness to endure repetition, and free time. None of those is much of an achievement; in fact, the last two just make the recipient of the legendary seem a bit sad.

GW2 legendaries manage to out-WoW WoW.

I don’t understand all these people crying about not having legedaries. What difference does it make for you? The stats are the same as exotics.

@kami

Couldn’t agree with you more. A vast majority are only seeing the trading post price of there sought after precursor when in fact… They oversight the only way know thus far to obtain a precursor is through the uses of the mystic forge.

They see the prices climb for the precursor and already have a defeated mindset when in fact, if they applied themselves as the game DOES intend you to do to obtain the precursor, you increase your odds of obtaining said item. As I argued before, what ELSE are you going to spend your gold on anyways? Most of these threads are referring to “Legendarys” anyways so the interest is just that. In other words, suck it up and start investing in YOUR goal! You want a legendary, well then go GET IT!

Velladin.2578:

I don’t understand all these people crying about not having legedaries. What difference does it make for you? The stats are the same as exotics.

The bigger issue is anet’s hypocricy. They say they want a game that’s fair, equal to all, no exploits/best ways to farm, and still fun. And what do they give us as the 1st step to acquiring a legendary? A stupid Korean-rng-fest of I-spend-500g-to-get-no-progress-while-this-noob-next-to-me-gets-it-in-1-craft.

But I’ll bite. My presonal reasons for wanting the Quip are:

1) Nobody has one, I’d like to get it to know what it looks/animates like, and to shows others (my youtube page does have its uses).

2) I’ve killed countless players, usually 1v2+, so I figured this way they’d at least get to stare at a shiny legendary before they die and have to respawn, look at combat log and try to figure out what went wrong. It’d probably make for even more hilarious moments and hate tells.

Chronologist.9782:

Mario Lemieux.9107:

Shouldn’t we be able to accomplish whatever it is we strive for in a video game?

And this is what’s wrong with current MMO community these days, every game nowadays is now expected to be beaten by 100% of players instead of 5-10% back in the days

God forbid legendary is hard to get

ANet should change how legendaries are acquired:

• Precursor even harder to get
• 500 clovers
• Glory rank 30
• 10k players killed in WvW
• 2000 tokens from every dungeon

Now that would be real legendary

There’s a fine line between being legendary and being autistic. The former impresses people with skill and dedication, and the latter makes people pity you for the massive amount of time wasted for a skin because you are just THAT desperate for attention.

Kami.7369:

Then the average to semi-hardcore player never gets a legendary. Anet has already said they’d step in if they feel like it’s getting out of hand. I’d love to get my legendary right away, but I don’t have the stomach to chain farm Karma and gold. I’ve accepted that it could be weeks and maybe months before I get my Juggernaut.

The game isn’t forcing you to be here. People are being disappointed by not getting a legendary on a self imposed timeline. I figure that if it does get truly out of hand, expect an alternate way to get the precursors to show up. I like the idea of world bosses dropping precursors. Or making a precursor with equally rare components. Who knows? Maybe they don’t do anything, precursors fly to 1000g per, and no one ever gets a legendary again (this is doubtful based on Anets previous statements)

Frankly I think that most people are over reacting to the whole situation because they’re burning themselves out trying to rush to a Legendary. There seems to be some sense of entitlement of “if I put X amount of time in, I should get Y no matter what” and frankly, that just isn’t the case right now.

I was talking specifically about getting the precursor for the average – semi hardcore, NOT the entire legendary. So the average person who plays this game over other games should never at least get an exotic item that could lead into something more for them if they choose to continue to play this game, or invest MORE time to achieve said item? That doesn’t seem right to me. If I remember correctly, “Not every one will have a legendary” is different than, “Not every one will have a precursor (exotic).”

People are not asking to be given precursors, they are asking for a viable way to even have it in their goals.

“Frankly I think that most people are over reacting to the whole situation because they’re burning themselves out trying to rush to a Legendary. There seems to be some sense of entitlement of “if I put X amount of time in, I should get Y no matter what” and frankly, that just isn’t the case right now."

You mean they aren’t playing the game the way you think it should be played? I haven’t seen a person post once saying they should be entitled to anything after a certain amount of time, I see people offering valid improvements to a LAZY, TRIVIAL, UNREWARDING, system. I don’t understand why people are saying the legendary items should be “legendary” and then WANT them to not require a single legendary feat in any fashion to achieve.

Yep, I would be fine with precursor costing 500 gold to craft, as long as it’s guaranteed that I get it for 500 gold. Right now, that’s not the case, and 1 person might get it in 5mins using 50 silver, and 1 person might never get it over the course of 3 months, using up a hard-earned 500 gold or more. It’s not an entitlement issue, it’s a game design issue. Anet’s promoting of equality, fairness, fun and skill 100% falls short when faced with this BS of a precursor/legendary acquisition system.

They need to put their money where their mouth is, or be forced to be forever labeled hypocrites and ‘just another korean grind/rng-fest MMO company’.

Chronologist.9782:

Mario Lemieux.9107:

Shouldn’t we be able to accomplish whatever it is we strive for in a video game?

And this is what’s wrong with current MMO community these days, every game nowadays is now expected to be beaten by 100% of players instead of 5-10% back in the days

God forbid legendary is hard to get

ANet should change how legendaries are acquired:

• Precursor even harder to get
• 500 clovers
• Glory rank 30
• 10k players killed in WvW
• 2000 tokens from every dungeon

Now that would be real legendary

You are a joke. As others have mentioned here, there’s no accomplishment in a brand new player throwing 4 exotics into the Forge and getting a Precursor, 1/4th his way to a Legendary just like that….that’s not every Legendary. By Anet’s definition of what GW2 is all about (in the videos & blog posts) as well as what acquiring a Legendary is about, the current state of the game & acquiring a Precursor → Legendary is not up to par with their own standards.

Now that I think of it….you may be one of those exploiters with stacks of Precursors in their bank, trying to make us all feel like we will never achieve Legendary status….

Brennen.8051:

@kami

Couldn’t agree with you more. A vast majority are only seeing the trading post price of there sought after precursor when in fact… They oversight the only way know thus far to obtain a precursor is through the uses of the mystic forge.

They see the prices climb for the precursor and already have a defeated mindset when in fact, if they applied themselves as the game DOES intend you to do to obtain the precursor, you increase your odds of obtaining said item. As I argued before, what ELSE are you going to spend your gold on anyways? Most of these threads are referring to “Legendarys” anyways so the interest is just that. In other words, suck it up and start investing in YOUR goal! You want a legendary, well then go GET IT!

The only known way to obtain a precursor is with the Mystic Forge. No one is defeated. There’s just nothing we can do if we can’t currently obtain it.

Please read close Brennen, because you’re about to see an actual point coming…here it comes….applying yourself implies setting out to reach a goal. When the goal is in mind, you can work towards it. 3/4 of the Legendary Weapon process is goal-oriented. The Precursor part is definitely not….if you want to force it to be, then you’d have to say: “My goal is to obtain hundreds upon hundreds of gold, craft/buy rares/exotics, throw them into the Mystic Forge, and hope to get a Precursor. If that doesn’t happen, I’ll keep doing that continually, because that’s my goal.”

…I feel bad for you now.

Vicariuz.1605:

@Kami- “You are wrong.Simply put you can avoid the precursor randomness by just buying one. Getting the gold to do it is just a time investment.”

This honestly couldn’t be further from the truth. The average – semi hardcore player will NEVER amass enough gold for these weapons. I know because I am neither, I’m currently sitting at 370g after dropping 120+ exotics into the forge and getting literally nothing back. Could I personally spend a week in game and get another 100-150g to buy it off the post? Maybe, but then I would be playing the game in a way that is not fun to me, the person who bought it, then I would be grinding even more than I already do, in a game where the building blocks were said to be that of anti grind.

Some insight:
Average gold income for a player is ~1-5 gold a day. That’s 80 days of farming at 5 gold income. That’s pretty unrealistic considering some days I don’t even make 5g. All of that farming, to be dropped in less than a second to buy the item off the TP, at current prices for the greatswords. This kind of grinding again, does not reflect the words of ANET prior to release. This is also assuming that the prices do not fluctuate, which has shown to be untrue, since the price is going up by 50-100g a week or more.

These people, can NEVER (unless they literally win the lottery) get a precursor because due to the rarity, the price will continue to go up.

There are far better ways that could be thought of to get the precursor, like additional instances (story line-esque) requiring you to be skillful at your class (dropping ever increasing sums of gold is not the only or best solution), achievement based, or the many other ways people have brought up in other discussions. Leaving it as is is beneficial to the people who already have the items, and not the player base at large.

I have been sitting with 3/4 of my legendary done for weeks. That last 1/4 I need (after already getting my 77 clovers from the RNG nightmare) is 1 exotic sword. I have spent VAST amounts of gold on this 1 item, more gold than a good percentage of the player base will ever have in their inventory, and I have literally NOTHING to show for it.

I have to say this.

You’ve put so much time and effort into this game, one with such devotion truly deserve a legendary gear.

But considering the available content at the moment, sounds like you’re burning yourself out. The reason I say this is because you are not alone in this frontier.

Which is quite sad…

Horheristo.3607:

Vicariuz.1605:

@Kami- “You are wrong.Simply put you can avoid the precursor randomness by just buying one. Getting the gold to do it is just a time investment.”

This honestly couldn’t be further from the truth. The average – semi hardcore player will NEVER amass enough gold for these weapons. I know because I am neither, I’m currently sitting at 370g after dropping 120+ exotics into the forge and getting literally nothing back. Could I personally spend a week in game and get another 100-150g to buy it off the post? Maybe, but then I would be playing the game in a way that is not fun to me, the person who bought it, then I would be grinding even more than I already do, in a game where the building blocks were said to be that of anti grind.

Some insight:
Average gold income for a player is ~1-5 gold a day. That’s 80 days of farming at 5 gold income. That’s pretty unrealistic considering some days I don’t even make 5g. All of that farming, to be dropped in less than a second to buy the item off the TP, at current prices for the greatswords. This kind of grinding again, does not reflect the words of ANET prior to release. This is also assuming that the prices do not fluctuate, which has shown to be untrue, since the price is going up by 50-100g a week or more.

These people, can NEVER (unless they literally win the lottery) get a precursor because due to the rarity, the price will continue to go up.

There are far better ways that could be thought of to get the precursor, like additional instances (story line-esque) requiring you to be skillful at your class (dropping ever increasing sums of gold is not the only or best solution), achievement based, or the many other ways people have brought up in other discussions. Leaving it as is is beneficial to the people who already have the items, and not the player base at large.

I have been sitting with 3/4 of my legendary done for weeks. That last 1/4 I need (after already getting my 77 clovers from the RNG nightmare) is 1 exotic sword. I have spent VAST amounts of gold on this 1 item, more gold than a good percentage of the player base will ever have in their inventory, and I have literally NOTHING to show for it.

I have to say this.

You’ve put so much time and effort into this game, one with such devotion truly deserve a legendary gear.

But considering the available content at the moment, sounds like you’re burning yourself out. The reason I say this is because you are not alone in this frontier.

Which is quite sad…

I haven’t burnt out on my legendary, but after another x100 80 exotic GS gone, it’s been put on hold. I don’t feel legendary at all, I feel cheated, because I have no control over whether or not I get 1 item (Dusk) out of all the items in the game. No amount of skill, no achievement overcome, no actual legendary feat of any kind I can display will ever get me it either.

It’s all about your income…typical.

These people, can NEVER (unless they literally win the lottery) get a precursor because due to the rarity, the price will continue to go up.

Uh… That’s not how economy works. Prices don’t continue to go up infinitely. The issue right now is that the demand and awareness about precursors has increased last week, after both the first Legendaries were crafted and ArenaNet published an article about them, so we got a price spike. Players playing the economy are abusing the system to artificially inflate the price of those precursors, and are in the process of learning how high they can push them. Right now, though, Dawn is going for 205, which is a drop from the 400+ people were asking for the sword a while ago.

If you think the price is too high, don’t farm to buy it. Simply don’t buy, and hope others realize the same thing. Without buyers, those selling will eventually reduce their prices, like they are doing right now.

If by some random 0.00001% chance I happen to get dusk, first thing I do is put it on TP.

With an increasing demand to fix the issue at hand, there will be – as in all MMO’s, a carebear patch to get the legendary in an easier way than it is now.

Give it a few months.

Erasculio.2914:

These people, can NEVER (unless they literally win the lottery) get a precursor because due to the rarity, the price will continue to go up.

Uh… That’s not how economy works. Prices don’t continue to go up infinitely. The issue right now is that the demand and awareness about precursors has increased last week, after both the first Legendaries were crafted and ArenaNet published an article about them, so we got a price spike. Players playing the economy are abusing the system to artificially inflate the price of those precursors, and are in the process of learning how high they can push them. Right now, though, Dawn is going for 205, which is a drop from the 400+ people were asking for the sword a while ago.

If you think the price is too high, don’t farm to buy it. Simply don’t buy, and hope others realize the same thing. Without buyers, those selling will eventually reduce their prices, like they are doing right now.

Interesting because dusk has been resting at ~400g, while Dawn remains 300g+. The majority of players will never have 400g resting in their inventories to be dropped on the item. I don’t have an issue with that, I have an issue that the only ways I am able to get the last piece I need for my legendary is through a gross RNG fest, or dropping tons of G on the TP.

And at the current rate, an increasing rate, they will remain out of reach of huge percentages of players, regardless of the ability of the player, due to the fact that it is out of their control to get the item unless they play the game 1 way for an extensive period of time.

Ehhhhhh…. complaints about a legendary taking 3 months to make is too long?

Any of you play GW1? Any of you get god walking among mere mortals? I genuinely reckon that took longer than getting a legendary weapon, sure there was less RNG involved but you can buy 1 after playing 3 months and in the life span of a game, 3 months is nothing. There were much harder grinds in GW1 and people got them done without complaining.

Essentially you misunderstand what grind is. Anets philosophy was that you dont need to grind for anything required to play at peak efficiency. Also a legendary weapon is NOT a reflection of skill, perhaps a reflection of efficiency but skill is in pvp… not the acquisition of gear. So if not a reflection of skill then what is it a reflection of? Dedication and perseverance regardless of whether those around you got more lucky or not. Essentially you are complaining that a weapon that is meant to mark dedication requires too much dedication, kind of a paradox isnt it?

It doesn’t really matter to me how unobtainable the legendary bows are because they look stupid. Sorry, I should say, they look like they are for 10 year old little girls.

I see them as anet taking a crap on my profession. I might really be mad if I actually planned on getting a legendary. I am not going to spend that crazy amount of time however.

I will laugh at anyone that does get one of the pretty pretty bows and equips it on their dark evil looking armor lol.

GWAM did not take any time whatsoever, nearly every single title could be maxed with little to no effort barring pvp titles. There is no harder grind than RNG, none of which existed in GW1.

We aren’t misunderstanding grind at all, implying that it’s not a grind to throw hundreds to thousands of items into the forge is hilarious.

Hmm…. I made a legendary weapon already and I also played GW1 for 5 years. Actually I am 100% confident getting GWAMM takes longer, the cash equivalent to get those maxed drunkard, sweet, treasure hunter etc is about the same time sink to get the cash for a precursor at 500g. And if you disagree then you are just bad at making money in GW2 it seems.

I didnt even flip to get my legendary, I simply played the game (80% of the time in WvW) and bought the precursor weapon for a reasonable price. Granted I didnt pay 300g for my precursor, but even if I did have to, it would only have taken an additional month more or less.

Hundreds of thousands of items…. that took some people a whole 2 weeks to obtain. If people want to gamble, that is their choice, nowhere did it ever say if you throw in 1000 items you get a precursor in return. One could have simply saved that cash and added on and bought one.

The point at the end of all this is, its very doable, and if it will take you 1 month or 2 months longer than the world firsts then its really not something worth crying about. Anet stated only about 5% of the population should have a legendary, and this system seems to be keeping that in check just fine.

If you think you deserve to be one of those 5% you better go earn it, and just cause someone else got lucky with a forge try doesnt make it the end of the world, it simply makes you jealous.

Some people I know got lucky on the stock market with a pure fluke and got rich, I dont go to wall street demanding money because somebody else got lucky, as you shouldnt demand precursors cause someone got it faster than statistically predicted. Life is tough, and some others got their stuff before you, big deal. Go out and earn it if you want it.

@Mario

Yes you are wrong on the fact that we all want to feel legendary. Which part from ANet’s post about legendaries did you not understand? Only less than 5% of the total population will have one. How does that compute in your head if everyone wants to feel legendary?

Jackie.1829:

Hmm…. I made a legendary weapon already and I also played GW1 for 5 years. Actually I am 100% confident getting GWAMM takes longer, the cash equivalent to get those maxed drunkard, sweet, treasure hunter etc is about the same time sink to get the cash for a precursor at 500g. And if you disagree then you are just bad at making money in GW2 it seems.

I didnt even flip to get my legendary, I simply played the game (80% of the time in WvW) and bought the precursor weapon for a reasonable price. Granted I didnt pay 300g for my precursor, but even if I did have to, it would only have taken an additional month more or less.

Hundreds of thousands of items…. that took some people a whole 2 weeks to obtain. If people want to gamble, that is their choice, nowhere did it ever say if you throw in 1000 items you get a precursor in return. One could have simply saved that cash and added on and bought one.

The point at the end of all this is, its very doable, and if it will take you 1 month or 2 months longer than the world firsts then its really not something worth crying about. Anet stated only about 5% of the population should have a legendary, and this system seems to be keeping that in check just fine.

If you think you deserve to be one of those 5% you better go earn it, and just cause someone else got lucky with a forge try doesnt make it the end of the world, it simply makes you jealous.

Some people I know got lucky on the stock market with a pure fluke and got rich, I dont go to wall street demanding money because somebody else got lucky, as you shouldnt demand precursors cause someone got it faster than statistically predicted. Life is tough, and some others got their stuff before you, big deal. Go out and earn it if you want it.

If I needed to I could buy one of the overpriced precursors without a second thought, that is the farthest thing from the issue.

It was “Hundred TO thousands” of items, since I’m quickly approaching 300 80 exotics sucked up by the forge.

No one is asking for free legendaries, they are asking to be able to at least get a hold of a precursor, PRETTY SURE ANET didn’t say “only 5% of the population should have a precursor exotic.” Or did they and I simply missed it? If that’s the case then we were lied to, again.

It doesn’t make me jealous if a person gets it on the first try, it makes me feel abused by the system when I spend X more gold and items for the same item, because of RNG, when X is hundred of gold and items.

Pretty much every person defending the current system seems to either ignore these points or think they don’t exist. It’s humorous that almost every person that’s defending the current system either has a precursor, or legendary already, so “what does it matter” to them if any one else is subjected to an RNG nightmare, or forced to grind hundreds of gold. Who cares that that goes against everything the game was supposedly built on.

Vicariuz.1605:

Jackie.1829:

Hmm…. I made a legendary weapon already and I also played GW1 for 5 years. Actually I am 100% confident getting GWAMM takes longer, the cash equivalent to get those maxed drunkard, sweet, treasure hunter etc is about the same time sink to get the cash for a precursor at 500g. And if you disagree then you are just bad at making money in GW2 it seems.

I didnt even flip to get my legendary, I simply played the game (80% of the time in WvW) and bought the precursor weapon for a reasonable price. Granted I didnt pay 300g for my precursor, but even if I did have to, it would only have taken an additional month more or less.

Hundreds of thousands of items…. that took some people a whole 2 weeks to obtain. If people want to gamble, that is their choice, nowhere did it ever say if you throw in 1000 items you get a precursor in return. One could have simply saved that cash and added on and bought one.

The point at the end of all this is, its very doable, and if it will take you 1 month or 2 months longer than the world firsts then its really not something worth crying about. Anet stated only about 5% of the population should have a legendary, and this system seems to be keeping that in check just fine.

If you think you deserve to be one of those 5% you better go earn it, and just cause someone else got lucky with a forge try doesnt make it the end of the world, it simply makes you jealous.

Some people I know got lucky on the stock market with a pure fluke and got rich, I dont go to wall street demanding money because somebody else got lucky, as you shouldnt demand precursors cause someone got it faster than statistically predicted. Life is tough, and some others got their stuff before you, big deal. Go out and earn it if you want it.

If I needed to I could buy one of the overpriced precursors without a second thought, that is the farthest thing from the issue.

It was “Hundred TO thousands” of items, since I’m quickly approaching 300 80 exotics sucked up by the forge.

No one is asking for free legendaries, they are asking to be able to at least get a hold of a precursor, PRETTY SURE ANET didn’t say “only 5% of the population should have a precursor exotic.” Or did they and I simply missed it? If that’s the case then we were lied to, again.

It doesn’t make me jealous if a person gets it on the first try, it makes me feel abused by the system when I spend X more gold and items for the same item, because of RNG, when X is hundred of gold and items.

Pretty much every person defending the current system seems to either ignore these points or think they don’t exist. It’s humorous that almost every person that’s defending the current system either has a precursor, or legendary already, so “what does it matter” to them if any one else is subjected to an RNG nightmare, or forced to grind hundreds of gold. Who cares that that goes against everything the game was supposedly built on.

Ok so let me get this straight. If it required standard procedure costing around 200-250g to craft one (apart from the random chance) would be much better than paying the price which is ranging from 140-340g on TP?

Cause if you think it should worth less than that you are TRAGICALLY mistaken. It is 1/4th of the weapon. That’s right. Now consider the total cost of the whole process and rethink of what the price for that precursor should be. Some people were lucky in the early stages of the game. Happens with all games. Adapt to it and let it go. This is the proper price of the precursor.

Also for some brain “misguided” people like….(don’t want to even mention his name here but you can find him raging in pretty much all precursor threads) the precursor is 1/4th of the actual weapon:

Gift of Mastery
Gift of Fortune
Gift of “Weapon’s name”
Legendary Precursor

Consider the price of each one.

200-250 gold sounds perfectly fine to me. Honestly, You could have sold me on 300g as well.

Then we totally agree

As long as it’s a fixed 250 gold yes

That kind of gold could take a noob like me months to farm. I don’t want to see it increasing within that time.

You guys do know that precursors can be dropped by champions right? 2 members from my guild got precursors (dawn + something else i forgot) from the risen drake broodmother in cursed shore.

its not letting me quote atm for some reason but somebody posted about the Korean RNG and that nothing can prepare you for that….I disagree….go play ragnarok online for 8 years like I did and then try to complain about how hard it is…..the precursor drop rates are WAY better than 80% of the awesome gear I could get in that game I am loving how hard it is to get a legendary….kitten id like it if it was even harder.

“Ok so let me get this straight. If it required standard procedure costing around 200-250g to craft one (apart from the random chance) would be much better than paying the price which is ranging from 140-340g on TP?

Cause if you think it should worth less than that you are TRAGICALLY mistaken. It is 1/4th of the weapon. That’s right. Now consider the total cost of the whole process and rethink of what the price for that precursor should be. Some people were lucky in the early stages of the game. Happens with all games. Adapt to it and let it go. This is the proper price of the precursor.

Also for some brain “misguided” people like….(don’t want to even mention his name here but you can find him raging in pretty much all precursor threads) the precursor is 1/4th of the actual weapon:

Gift of Mastery
Gift of Fortune
Gift of “Weapon’s name”
Legendary Precursor

Consider the price of each one."
_______________________________

Yes it would be better, because there isn’t a massive item sink liquidating everything that’s put into it until it randomly decides not to. I would pay 500g in costs to know that I will have the item in my inventory at the end. (I’m not going to spend MORE of my time grinding 500g (in a game specifically said to have little to zero grind WHAT A LIE THAT WAS) to be dropped into some one’s pocket who will make a killing on the return while I am left with zero).

I have no problem with the item being expensive, I have a serious problem with the manner in which you can acquire them. But you and every one who spouts the same bile that you just did all seem to just ignore that and pretend like all we want is a free item that’s worth 10g. That’s not the case, regardless if you and your friends refuse to actually read the posts saying so.

There’s already a huge RNG sink to get a legendary through the clovers, having an additional EVEN LARGER RNG sink, is abusive.

Mileinnor.7125:

You guys do know that precursors can be dropped by champions right? 2 members from my guild got precursors (dawn + something else i forgot) from the risen drake broodmother in cursed shore.

AN confirmed that any mob is NOT able to drop precursor, so that’s bad try to troll.
But they have a small (like really really little) chance to drop from chests.

Cisza.9540:

Slic.2406:

No, at this rate most players won’t ever get a legendary, not in 1 year, not in 5 years.

Agree. That’s how it’s supposed to be.

No, how it’s supposed to be is, players who deserve it get it. And if everyone is a mad-skillz-gamer and deserves it? So be it. If everyone can do something like:

Then everyone should get a legendary. You’d have to be crazy to say that the guy in that video doesn’t deserve a legendary if he ever plays GW2! See how it’s a matter of opinion all of a sudden? The only thing in common is that this Korean RNG invalidates whatever virtues anyone might value, including yours.

I looked at a list of the materials/events needed for a legendary. I instantly glazed over and read:
“This is legendary. This is epic. The result of a grand quest! The grand quest… of a million golds! Be respected by all! You will be the best at farming, and farm, and farm, and farm! And then, when your fingers have worn through and you have no more care left for this game, you must farm more! A million golds! Buy Anet gold, we respect you more than China and its quarter prices… and when you buy our gold, you get your legendary! Rainbows! If you don’t get your legendary, you will never fill the Legendary slot on your character profile, and everyone will know you have not completed the game! A million golds!”

As much as I want to get a legendary (completionism), half of the models are butt-ugly, and the methods of making it are so ludicrous that they should be branded as unlicensed gambling. It’s disgusting.

Edit: Bill, why did you leave JQ for SBI?

fractalKinesis.8569:

Aw, I thought you were JQ 4 lyfe. Alas. Maybe I’ll run into you out there somewhere and you can kick my thief/warrior/guardian to the curb in a couple shots.

Oh, and legendaries and whatnot. Hard to get. This is on topic.

Transfers are free. I can always return, if JQ stops being #1 and winning by a lot!

On topic, legendaries are hard to get, but doable and reasonable, all except this stupid precursor system. Give us a guaranteed way to get a precursor, I don’t care if it’s something ridiculous like getting 1000 of every dungeon token or paying 300g+ to a vendor.

Currently, the only guaranteed way is to pay anet for gold, and then buy it on the TP. Because money talks.

You’re right and I think like many I have come to the realisation that I will never be able to hold a legendary weapon let alone precursor, not that I don’t have the time to farm the materials, I do. But at the rate I can generate gold and the blatant and shameful extortionate prices the precursors are priced at on the TP I have just given up.

From all the videos of people chucking in many exotic/rare weapons into the forge just to get absolutely nothing I have just lost hope. Legendary weapons are not about “adventure”, “fun” or mastery of the game… They based merely on RNG in its purest form, the Mystic Forge.

Hyperbole from both camps aside, I think we can all agree that rolling a hard six does not make you an epic craps player. It does not demonstrate your commitment to the game, your understanding of it, or your skill at playing it. It just means the dice you threw came up with an unlikely combination — which could happen to anyone the first time they play, or never.

That would seem to be at odds (pardon the pun) with the videos in which the design staff describes obtaining a legendary weapon as being a demonstration of a player’s commitment and mastery of the game.

Surely it’s obvious that I can’t make myself a better thrower of dice. I cannot practice and learn more about the act. I cannot get better at it. In short, dice is dice. Random is random. It’s entirely possible for a person to throw four looted yellows into the Forge and score one of these items on the very first try. How does that demonstrate skill or commitment to the game?

It does not, and any truly objective examination of the process must agree, simply because it is true.

My advice is, don’t go broke buying things to toss into the Mystic Slot Machine. I will only throw in what I make from materials that I gather myself. But if you do it the other way, recognize that you are in fact gambling, and realize that the vast majority of people don’t come home from Vegas a winner.

According to map chat in Orr, about 90% of players expect to get a Legendary at some point.

This is what ANet is selling as endgame, like it or not, and this is what people are grinding for by the hundreds for hours each day.

I don’t want to predict the kittentorm that will come down when these people are denied their Legendaries because of some arbitrary “only 5% of people should have one” stance.

I have concluded that my juggernaut hammer is not filled with quicksilver, but rather the tears of all the players who complain about obtaining legendaries.

I love when I spin my hammer around and the tears spray all over and cover me.

i cant read this topic anymore…whats going on?

I really don’t appreciate being called a troll. It might be possible that I’ve been misinformed. But from what I have looked from various topics on the forum, there are stories of people who have gotten precursors from at least veteran mobs (events). Perhaps my guildmates have been lying to me. If you could link me the original response given by Anet regarding this issue, I would appreciate it.

Delolith.9645:

@Mario

Yes you are wrong on the fact that we all want to feel legendary. Which part from ANet’s post about legendaries did you not understand? Only less than 5% of the total population will have one. How does that compute in your head if everyone wants to feel legendary?

This is false. Nowhere has ANet said that only 5% of players will have a Legendary. Please post a link, i want to see it with my own eyes.

And just because (right now) only a small part of the GW2 population has a Legendary, that does not mean that people aren’t allowed to want to strive for Legendary status.

Clearly none of this “computes” in your head.