Guild Wars 2

Increased the party kick threshold from 40% to 50%.

Fixed a bug that caused the drop rate of fractal weapon skins to decrease above fractal level 40.

What does that kick thresold even mean?

oxtred.7658:

What does that kick thresold even mean?

If parties have 5 members you need 3 to kick, if 4 you need 2, if 3 you need 2.

Edit: And I suppose if you have a party of 2, you only need 1? If true this could grief soloers even more.

oxtred.7658:

What does that kick thresold even mean?

I imagine it’s moving to 3, though with that wording maybe they did it in a way that allows 2 in groups of 4, but requires 2.5 so 3 in groups of 5? No clue, could just be strange wording.

Previously they had stated they could not have it be a variable like that, so… either they /gasp did some code work, or they just lied before? /shrug.

2,5.. Like, it requires 2 guys and a sentinel guardian to kick? I’m lost.

P.S While I haven’t logged on in quite a while, I’m in the middle of a 50 PUG ATM. I’ll let you all know what happens.

oxtred.7658:

2,5.. Like, it requires 2 guys and a sentinel guardian to kick? I’m lost.

It’s a threshold, so it rounds up. At least 50% would require 3/5.

Haha, kitten pugs even more.

Nevets Crimsonwing.5271:

Fixed a bug that caused the drop rate of fractal weapon skins to decrease above fractal level 40.

Ugh, this is so depressing… I’m pretty sure this “bug” has been in the game since the Fractured update, and only now they are fixing it… I run Fractals almost every day since they launched, still missing 3 skins, not to mention that I have never seen the tonic drop…

Bleh, why do I bother, and why am I surprised this is a thing…

Nevets Crimsonwing.5271:

Fixed a bug that caused the drop rate of fractal weapon skins to decrease above fractal level 40.

A little bit too late, a little bit too late… at least for me.

Ok, just finished fractals 50. No skins in our group. Only 5 data points, but definitely not what the drop rate was pre-fractured. Back to not playing.

Edit: We got 4 rings. Mine was uninfused.

i was on 2nd map of 49 when saw patch notes… did hesitate about continuing…

tho, i wonder whats the new drop chance?
11% ?

inb4 fixed a bug that prevented fractal skin box from dropping

sMihaly.1492:

inb4 fixed a bug that prevented fractal skin box from dropping

inb4 bug that prevented leaderboards from showing

I think it is reasonable to believe that this “bug” making fractal weapon skin drops LESS in lvl 40+ has been in place for a year or since the fractured patch hit. With this as an assumption, I see a few options:

1.) The Devs have been extremely neglectful of the fractal community. It is possible they knew of the bug and just didn’t care about us – however, more likely, under this theory, they really did not know that the bug existed until recently – likely between the last patch in late September and the patch today. This occurred even though there have likely been 100+ thread posts of people complaining about fractal weapon drop rates. In addition, all the compiled data spreadsheets with 100s or a couple thousand as their sample size have indicated that the 30-40 range had a drop rate of fractal weapons that was DOUBLE the drop rate in 40+. These spread sheets and findings have been all over this forum for the past year.

2.) The Devs are incompetent. Here, we assume that they did not neglect the hundreds of forum posts about bad fractal weapon drop rates. Instead, they either were not able to tell there was a bug (even with the complaints), or they knew there was a bug, but since they weren’t neglectful, they were just unable to fix it. Here, it took them many, many months to figure out how to change the drop rate of fractal weapons in 40+ fractals.

3.) They believe the community is unintelligent. Here, the idea is that it was never really a bug – the drop rate was simply lower due to incompetence, and accident, or trolling. However, thinking that it would be bad PR to say they just “increased” the drop rate in 40+, they decided to call it a “bug.” The community likes to see that bugs are being fixed. As long as people don’t think too hard about this “bug,” it is better to call it a bug fix.

Its possible other theories are accurate – in fact, I’m almost 100% sure that none of these is entirely correct. It is likely a mix of the three, or there could be a legitimate explanation – but I doubt we’ll be be getting to hear it : (.

I think I speak for many other players, but if I don’t, I at least stand as a sample size of one. Over the last year, I have probably spent 200-400 hours playing ONLY fractals. This was because for me, it is my favorite content. It is also because I have been trying my hardest to get a fractal sword. It makes me really sad to know that my goal could have been reached had it not been for this “bug.” I wish we had some communication about fractals – but alas, I have seen thread, after thread, after thread in regards to fractal drops go down the forum without a Dev response. It has made me feel like the fractal community is unimportant to the Dev team.

PSA: I did a 49 just now. We got Mai Trin. We made sure to rez Ellen. The first player to get downed logged out and logged back in. Usually this allows Ellen to rez the player and they can come back in and join the fight. Instead, he said he was unable to get back in. During the Mai Trin fight, the button could not be used to enter the Mai Trin Arena. He sat outside, afk, while we finished the ~10-15 min Mai fight, 4 man. Since it was not me who was stuck outside, I don’t know if he was lying and just wanted to afk – but assuming this player wasn’t a lazy bum, it looks like this “bug” has been fixed.

Oh, and in my lvl 49 fractal – after an hour of gameplay – I got an un-infused Purge Signet ascended ring. Which immediately got sold for 4.95s – since I have gotten 100+ ascended rings and don’t have storage for them anymore.

CytoSlide.1693:

I think it is reasonable to believe that this “bug” making fractal weapon skin drops LESS in lvl 40+ has been in place for a year or since the fractured patch hit. With this as an assumption, I see a few options:

1.) The Devs have been extremely neglectful of the fractal community. It is possible they knew of the bug and just didn’t care about us – however, more likely, under this theory, they really did not know that the bug existed until recently – likely between the last patch in late September and the patch today. This occurred even though there have likely been 100+ thread posts of people complaining about fractal weapon drop rates. In addition, all the compiled data spreadsheets with 100s or a couple thousand as their sample size have indicated that the 30-40 range had a drop rate of fractal weapons that was DOUBLE the drop rate in 40+. These spread sheets and findings have been all over this forum for the past year.

2.) The Devs are incompetent. Here, we assume that they did not neglect the hundreds of forum posts about bad fractal weapon drop rates. Instead, they either were not able to tell there was a bug (even with the complaints), or they knew there was a bug, but since they weren’t neglectful, they were just unable to fix it. Here, it took them many, many months to figure out how to change the drop rate of fractal weapons in 40+ fractals.

3.) They believe the community is unintelligent. Here, the idea is that it was never really a bug – the drop rate was simply lower due to incompetence, and accident, or trolling. However, thinking that it would be bad PR to say they just “increased” the drop rate in 40+, they decided to call it a “bug.” The community likes to see that bugs are being fixed. As long as people don’t think too hard about this “bug,” it is better to call it a bug fix.

Its possible other theories are accurate – in fact, I’m almost 100% sure that none of these is entirely correct. It is likely a mix of the three, or there could be a legitimate explanation – but I doubt we’ll be be getting to hear it : (.

I think I speak for many other players, but if I don’t, I at least stand as a sample size of one. Over the last year, I have probably spent 200-400 hours playing ONLY fractals. This was because for me, it is my favorite content. It is also because I have been trying my hardest to get a fractal sword. It makes me really sad to know that my goal could have been reached had it not been for this “bug.” I wish we had some communication about fractals – but alas, I have seen thread, after thread, after thread in regards to fractal drops go down the forum without a Dev response. It has made me like the fractal community is unimportant.

PSA: I did a 49 just now. We got Mai Trin. We made sure to rez Ellen. The first player to get downed logged out and logged back in. Usually this allows Ellen to rez the player and they can come back in and join the fight. Instead, he said he was unable to get back in. During the Mai Trin fight, the button could not be used to enter the Mai Trin Arena. He sat outside, afk, while we finished the ~10-15 min Mai fight, 4 man. Since it was not me who was stuck outside, I don’t know if he was lying and just wanted to afk – but assuming this player wasn’t a lazy bum, it looks like this “bug” has been fixed.

Oh, and in my lvl 49 fractal – after an hour of gameplay – I got an un-infused Purge Signet ascended ring. Which immediately got sold for 4.95s – since I have gotten 100+ ascended rings and don’t have storage for them anymore.

Did anyone in your group get a skin?

Nevets Crimsonwing.5271:

Fixed a bug that caused the drop rate of fractal weapon skins to decrease above fractal level 40.

I wonder if the “fix” is lowering the droprates of skins in fractals under level 40 so that the already existing droprate over level 40 is higher now… I think this would be consistent with their fractal updates.

But, hey, we have the fractal leaderboards coming soon, so we can’t really complain…

First unlisted change I’ve noticed so far (which was mentioned above, but I can confirm it since it happened to me.) – At mai trin, if you relog during the fight and try to re-enter, the first console will not activate as long as the fight is still on-going. I assume this was meant to fix the tactic of relogging and having elen res you.

The problem is, the didn’t fix the issue where if one person is alive outside and the rest of the party wipes, you respawn in the arena with mai trin and thus can “res rush” her. This means that if you have a DC and elen res’s you, you’re stuck outside permanently (since your team will always respawn inside the area and continue fighting).

rfdarko.4639:

First unlisted change I’ve noticed so far (which was mentioned above, but I can confirm it since it happened to me.) – At mai trin, if you relog during the fight and try to re-enter, the first console will not activate as long as the fight is still on-going. I assume this was meant to fix the tactic of relogging and having elen res you.

The problem is, the didn’t fix the issue where if one person is alive outside and the rest of the party wipes, you respawn in the arena with mai trin and thus can “res rush” her. This means that if you have a DC and elen res’s you, you’re stuck outside permanently (since your team will always respawn inside the area and continue fighting).

If you are an avid mountaingoater you can still get in there even if the fight is in progress. :^)

Also you can just walk back trough the fractal and get yourself killed by fall damage or enemy mobs.

You can keep your fractal skins. Never got even one since the “fractured” update, got 3 (with 1 duplicate) before the “fractured” update, now I don’t need them any more.

2 full runs at 50 in 2 days, first group had 2 fractal weapons. Second, someone got Raiders leggings. I also got an uninfused ring.

Yesterday, Lvl 50 – 2 eles(6 might all the time), flametower engie, always dead thief and guard me. After 1h i got a assassins weapon box. RNG luck or does this kitten has really improved?

RNGeesus strikes again :>

I just tried a lvl 50 run, assuming I’d get “something” more valuable than 4.95silver. I guess I was wrong. None of my teammates got a fractal weapon and only 1 got a weapon chest.

yesterday 49lvl i got shortbow skin that i alrdy had and today 49 i got ring
other party memebers didnt get any skin in both cases

50%? That does nothing.

We just tested— made a party of 5 and told 2 people to kick me; got kicked.

Please confirm, if you would.

I confirm, need 2 votes only.

i knew something was up with the 2.5

Thank you. Now, if you could confirm that 5/2 isn’t 2 then I will make a bug report.

oxtred.7658:

2,5.. Like, it requires 2 guys and a sentinel guardian to kick? I’m lost.

that would be 1.5, math properly!

I can’t find the party threshold thing in the patch notes, btw. False alarm?

ArchonWing.9480:

I can’t find the party threshold thing in the patch notes, btw. False alarm?

You’re right. It has been removed. The October 21st patch notes were edited by Mark 25 minutes after the original notes were posted, so maybe this feature is something they’re working on but haven’t implemented yet.

I copied and pasted from the original patch notes though. It WAS in there. I didn’t make it up

Alright, thanks. I trust you, because it’d be too cruel to make a joke like that. Anet however…

I think it’s within our right to inquire about it though.

I can confirm it was there.
Maybe they found out someone can join a loner, and kick him by 1 click so they need to fix it first