Guild Wars 2

Im getting sick of this, so i finally after 2 hours find a group, well since i got told to shut up i said no, i was helping the newer guy who didnt know what to do thats when i guess they decided to boot me at the end,

this is redicously i just made a thread of how its impossible to get a group for lower level fractals now i get griefed, seriosly this game is becoming very frustrating to play why can TWO people kick someone? all these times this happend it was just 2 friends started fights with people.

Im about to stop playing theirs too many bogus systems like 2 person kick, ive never been griefed for no reason in any other game before, this stuff is new to me.

Is their anything you can do against these people if not, im gonna quit for sure its too easy for people to grief.

Not to mention it took me 2 hours to find a group another half an hour to get to the third fractal.

Where do i report for grieifng? Will somthing happen to these people?

Why does it require 2 people to kick someone in the middle of fractals?

Ok, im turning this thread into a productive thread;

Please a.net i love your game but please please you need to put in some anti griefing systems, perhaps passed fractal 3 make it impossible to kick a player in the last fractal level.

Also make it always require atleast 4 people to kick a person in fractals

(Keep it 2 or 3 in general pve )

Also how am i supposed to post a picture of grieifing proof when it deletes your party chatlog when you get kicked? this needs to be fixed please

5 times you are booted? Sometimes the results are a cause of a symptom that you don’t correctly diagnose…

Two people able to kick anyone is a bit unfair, to be honest. I haven’t experienced this since I have yet to start fractals. Everyone is ahead of me so I’m waiting for the next patch so I’m able to play with them. Anyway, it’s best to find a guild or a group of friends that do FoTM or dungeons until they increase the amount it takes to kick.

Report them. The only way to deal with griefers is to turn their behavior to the attention of authority.

And yes, everybody wants to change the minority vote kick. I’m pretty sure ANet knows this by now.

I think you gotta remember that fractals was released with a whole lot of other rushed/bugged/non-QA-tested content, on the same weekend. A massive mistake on Anet’s part, and now they’re paying heavily for it with more griefing happening almost hourly in one part of these forums or another.

They say it’s getting fixed with the next patch, and myself I don’t really like dungeons that much (I’m only on frac 3) but the way they’re pushing ascended gear in this game it’s kind of hard not to get thrown into the fractals mix, but I guess that will be sorted out over time as well with ascended gear being able to be got in other areas of the game besides fractals.

Don’t they already have plans to sort out the /kick system?

Kumu Honua.2751:

5 times you are booted? Sometimes the results are a cause of a symptom that you don’t correctly diagnose…

not at all how about because i play everday and 5 times for getting GREIFED not booted is not a lot.

GREIFED : MEANS YOU GET BOOTED FOR SOMTHING AT THE END OF THE 3RD FRACTAL, USUALLY WHEN YOU HAVNT DONE ANYTHING WRONG.

every time ive been griefed its because i stuck up for a noob, stuck up for myself or when i went afk for 3 minutes because my kid fell down the stairs, and not i didnt get kicked when i came back from my kid i got kicked an hour later at the end.

Sooo, play with people you know? You know, friends, guildies…

Tosha Daydreamer.9251:

Sooo, play with people you know? You know, friends, guildies…

Not everyone has those people to call on for things like this.

“Make friends” or “join a good guild” may sound like an ideal answer to the problem, but it’s not for everyone. The fact is, the devs have made a part of the game that forces you to rely on other players being decent people. And as we all know, the internet and online games have more than their fair share of self-centered kittens.

I have a guild – they wont help me ( im in a 500 person guild)

If you guys can direct to towards a guild that will play fractals JUST TO HELP ME, and that is active in WvW / PvE please let me know i will join.

All my IRL friends don’t play guildwars 2, they either play WoW or don’t play mmo’s.

I honestly wonder why they have this sort of bull**** in the first place. Simple things like being able to rejoin fractals if you disconnect, seriously Anet. And yes 3 person for kick is needed.

Anet and Nexon/NcSoft are starting to closely resemble another company I once gladly payed for their products, DICE and EA. You’ve already lost a ton of normal players in the recent months. Don’t let your most loyal fans walk out on you.

My opinion, ever since they added Fotm, this game has taken a turn for the worse. The attitude this system creates is garbage. The update they have coming this month isn’t going to change this much. If you can’t run it with good buds, or guild members, I wouldn’t run it.

mmm probably if kicking means losing progression of the dungeon…they wont grief i mean, if a party kick someone, kaboom all the pt outside of the dungeon losing the progress…at the end, you practically decide if you want to continue with that party in the start of the dungeon not at the end just for the luxury of…dont let him have the reward.

but no, reporting for griefing is absurd and the dungeon isnt the guilty…3 votes wont do anything if are 3 friends too, and if are 2 they will try to tease a third one for support the kick.

even if the game is practically made for everyone hold hands and be happy…you cant force people to change their attitude, especially if they are special which will get mad over simple things which wont matter…ive kicked people from my pt…but was because they were literally being 120% useless.

gw2lfg.com

Also, there must be a reason they kicked you so often.

is spelling ridiculous incorrectly a new meme now? Everyone spells it as REDiculous

DancingPenguins.9875:

gw2lfg.com

Also, there must be a reason they kicked you so often.

There is. I’d link you to it, but I don’t think they’d allow the link.

Just search “Penny Arcade green blackboards”, and you’ll get there.

kKagari.6804:

is spelling ridiculous incorrectly a new meme now? Everyone spells it as REDiculous

This is what happens when 10 year olds learn to spell on internet forums instead of at school.

Weird i have never had this problem and i always join with random people.

Never had an issue with griefing and have never caused grief to another player in fractals. I rarely kick people, it needs to go into extremes if I were to kick someone. If its a new player that needs some directions I take time to direct him if no one else does. We were all new to fractals at one point.

Also for group finding use gw2lfg.com, it’ll find you a group in minutes mostly.

Blissified.8369:

Kumu Honua.2751:

5 times you are booted? Sometimes the results are a cause of a symptom that you don’t correctly diagnose…

not at all how about because i play everday and 5 times for getting GREIFED not booted is not a lot.

GREIFED : MEANS YOU GET BOOTED FOR SOMTHING AT THE END OF THE 3RD FRACTAL, USUALLY WHEN YOU HAVNT DONE ANYTHING WRONG.

every time ive been griefed its because i stuck up for a noob, stuck up for myself or when i went afk for 3 minutes because my kid fell down the stairs, and not i didnt get kicked when i came back from my kid i got kicked an hour later at the end.

Okay man, just from your posts in this thread it seems like you aren’t the calm cool-headed type. That might be a factor in the way you were treated. Just saying. Also, caps lock and spelling – like a pro. I’ve gotten 20 levels of fractal done with pick up groups and never once been kicked for any reason or had to kick anyone else for any reason. I’ve had some strong-willed people who won’t listen to directions. We didn’t kick them, we threatened that if they continued to act on their own instead of being part of the team, then they can resurrect themselves and not rely on the team either. Usually this straightens people out fast. If not, then they’re left dead and the rest of us move on. I’ve done fractals with guild too, and that is pretty no-drama. You should consider these things and have no issues too.

Gotta say Spectral, FOTM is the best thing they’ve done recently, ANET. It has a skill entry price that ensures at higher levels, you get a competitive, challenging experience. Most of the time, anyway.

guild guild guild… it’s why they are there…

Guess what so today i get kicked at the jade fotm boss AGAIN.

What was i doing … I was AGAIN HELPING A NOOB, i type fast as i work with computers so i type a lot, why do people get offended, im about to lose it ive been griefed at jade 4 times on fotm lvl 4 now, only thing i do wrong is i talk a lot, usually helping a noob, both times today and last night the noob ASKED me for help.

And my guild doesn’t want to help me, i would like to find a new guild on t.c that would.

I’ve NEVER experinced a community as bad as this, this was this RANDOM PUGS people!

A.net its not just me my group of friends (10 people) and my guild (700 people) experince this normally also.

If you so much as disagree with 2 people, your kicked but not at the begening, no they let you carry them to the very end then kick you

Plus A.net makes it as hard as POSSIBLE to report somone, as the chat logs disapear when you get kicked, so i can’t even report these people as i didn’t memorize their names this time.

I know qq moar right?
This is pathetic, i think imma give up on this game first it was i was always getting disconected, or get a bad apple that would keep going down and then go down at that one cruicialtime and group wipe..

Now its griefers….

Please a.net

Make it impossible to kick someone at last jade fotm boss level unless all 4 people vote, even then maybe once the boss is at half hp make it impossible to kick or somthing?

And Please Do somthing about griefers if you made it possible to have chat logs not get erased and/or somehow letting us have the names of the people we just played and did some justice to these people that are ruining the game for me and thousands (this is comfirmed) people.

PEBCAK.

That’s all there is to it. More apparent each and every time you post here…

I dont know if its good solution but it will be great when somewhere for example on gw2lfg.com will be some list of those ppl and they wont be able add request there or something and also you can check them there. If developers dont do it we must take a care about it as community.

I am sorry to hear that these people treat you that rude. :-(

Maybe it is a good idea asking in the following thread, if there is a guild on TC that does fotm.
They are all very friendly and will welcome you. :-)

There you go: https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/players/OPERATION-UNION-Bringing-Players-Together/first

Blissified.8369:

Guess what so today i get kicked at the jade fotm boss AGAIN.

What was i doing … I was AGAIN HELPING A NOOB, i type fast as i work with computers so i type a lot, why do people get offended, im about to lose it ive been griefed at jade 4 times on fotm lvl 4 now, only thing i do wrong is i talk a lot, usually helping a noob, both times today and last night the noob ASKED me for help.

And my guild doesn’t want to help me, i would like to find a new guild on t.c that would.

I highly doubt you were kicked for helping someone. There is so much more to this story that you aren’t saying. I’m sure we all agree that the vote/kick needs changed, but somehow I think that even if it required 4 votes, you’d be kicked.

Next time offer your help in whisper to the person you want to explain things to. That way those not wanting to see it won’t be bothered and, believe me, the recipient is probably happier not feeling embarrassed in front of the whole group for being new.

if you’re helping a “noob” and you’re getting kicked for it there is a thing called a whisper.

kicking should require 3 people, this is true.
For finding fotm groups, use gw2lfg.com until they impliment one in-game. Never had a problem finding groups of any level with this site.

I agree with the OP for the most part, they should make is so that the number of people required to kick someone is the number of people in the party divided by 2, rounded up.

I wouldn’t speak at all anymore. You don’t really say much other than you’re helping new players. Try giving examples. Also there is probably more to these incidents than you make out to be. I do agree though 3 players should be required to kick and after the 3rd fractal you shouldn’t be able to kick players. I’m worried with the new reconnect feature guides will be kicking pugs to invite their friends for the chest.

I have done Fractals at least 60+ times (mostly with pickups) and roughly 90% of the time everything goes pretty good.

That 10% of the time usually occurs from people with inflated egos think they know everything about FotM and take it upon themselves to be the undeclared group leader. Generally, those people turn out to be utter garbage and usually the group ends up disbanding cause that person proceeds to blame the other members and pisses people off. People naturally cannot stand the putrid stench of trash (I know I can’t) so they leave ( I don’t blame them).

As for the TC, maybe instead of the “I heplz de nub guyz” mentality, you just worry about yourself and keep quiet. Observe and listen, and leave others to do whatever. Being outspoken is generally seen as annoying. If you really do have a noob in your group (by FotM level 4, everyone should have done most of the fractals by then), just let them learn quickly for themselves or let them have a high repair bill at the end. Caps lock does not help your image either.

There are lousy people in every game, everywhere. I useally never pug simply because of this. The last time I puged in any game was right here in Gw2, about a month after start. Did a dungeon with 4 players from the same guild, so I thought it should be fine.
Got to the end, and right before the boss I was told I had to pay them to remain in the party. I told them where they could stick it and warped out on my own. One reason I have never done fotm, and probobly never will.

Bliss I will add you to friends and you can run them with me if you want.

I’ve done 500+ fractals. I can’t give you an exact number because that’s as far as the achievement goes. Most of that was doing dailies, but a good portion was just helping random groups and guildies on lower levels.

When they complain about swamp, I explain why it’s the best fractal in higher levels. When they rush in to fight the robot (why can’t I think of it’s name), I explain the mechanics on level 10+ to prepare them. If the group does poorly on dredge I’ll explain about spy kits and where to get them for future runs. If people are getting downed a lot in melee I’ll tell them ranged is a better option later on, and often against bosses the only option.

Sometimes I let them learn through their own mistakes and then explain a possible better way. Other times I’ll explain before we do something. I’m not overly polite about it, nor rude. About as confrontational I’ll get is telling someone they might have to look into different build options. That rarely comes up, and only with people that are really noobs (like just got to 80, has like 600 achievement points, whatever).

I never call someone a noob. I don’t act like an elitist. I know fotm well, and I let my playstyle and communications show that. People tend to listen.

If people are being rude to, swearing at, or blaming each other, I’ll say “Let’s quit kittening at each other! Maybe the content is difficult for us, maybe our classes don’t work well together, maybe we have personality conflicts. But we’re all here with a common goal so let’s try to work together and wreck this kitten. here’s my suggestion for getting past X…” – something along those lines.

I play my thief in FOTM so it’s not like they need me. I bring DPS, very slight protection in emergencies, and that’s about it.

Guess what… I’ve never been kicked from a party, be it in fotm or anywhere else. I’m an assertive player. I speak my mind. I argue with people. I’ve said and done things in PUGs to the point I could understand someone bringing up a kick vote, especially if they’re already having a bad day. Yet it’s never happened.

So I don’t know what to tell you OP. I guess the best advice I can give you is this; Consider how you come off to other party members if this problem is happening to you. In my experience, parties (pug or not) don’t kick people without reason.

Diviner.7405:

I have done Fractals at least 60+ times (mostly with pickups) and roughly 90% of the time everything goes pretty good.

That 10% of the time usually occurs from people with inflated egos think they know everything about FotM and take it upon themselves to be the undeclared group leader. Generally, those people turn out to be utter garbage and usually the group ends up disbanding cause that person proceeds to blame the other members and pisses people off. People naturally cannot stand the putrid stench of trash (I know I can’t) so they leave ( I don’t blame them).

^ This has also been my experience. 90% of PUGs are fine, but 10% of the time you end up with an idiot. Usually the first clue is that they make sure everyone knows how awesome they were in WoW. Then they make the run miserable for everyone else.

These days if a group is forming and the WoW red flag goes up, I make an excuse and leave (‘sorry guys, my guild needs me’).

Yea, I have no idea what Arenanet was thinking when they decided to allow 2 people to boot. That isn’t even group majority. :-P

This is probably the main reason I will never run instances again in Guild Wars 2. This is definitely something that should be considered a game breaking bug and dealt with accordingly.

The more you read OP’s story, the less coherent it becomes. Nobody gets kicked that often without a reason.

His writing exudes rage and ego most people hate pugs for. If that’s after having time to cool off and gather his thoughts, I can’t imagine what party chat must be like. In fact, looking at your post history, there’s a lot of insult and mocking of other players. I wouldn’t be surprised if you are already on a lot of people’s blocklist.

What a surprise, you are actually on my blocklist already.

I been griefed in fract as well. The most recent time was when the party leader quickly looted the chest on the last boss and then logged out before any one else had a chance. Some thing needs to change to fix this.

bandgeekdp.4651:

I been griefed in fract as well. The most recent time was when the party leader quickly looted the chest on the last boss and then logged out before any one else had a chance. Some thing needs to change to fix this.

Your problem is less griefing and more to do with the way the party system is designed. His problem is the way he behaves.

I can clearly how OP could offend people from him pug groups,

DancingPenguins.9875:

The more you read OP’s story, the less coherent it becomes. Nobody gets kicked that often without a reason.

His writing exudes rage and ego most people hate pugs for. If that’s after having time to cool off and gather his thoughts, I can’t imagine what party chat must be like. In fact, looking at your post history, there’s a lot of insult and mocking of other players. I wouldn’t be surprised if you are already on a lot of people’s blocklist.

What a surprise, you are actually on my blocklist already.

This has become all too amusing, I will check my list later on since we share an extensive part of our block list.

I agree 9 of 10 fractals (30+ currently) go usually w/o any major problem. Sure we got MF wh..leecher there and AR 0 there but in general pleasant experience with pugs. Never really used vote kicking or was kicked (although i left 1 or 2 grps – mostly elitists or go goers). But I agree that vote kick should be at least 3.

Never been with OP in dung but from what he wrote I can imagine the run. (OP) Hey noob .. “wall of text”. Another player (AP) Can we finally move ? — (OP) No I have to explain to noob here, stop being elitist “another wall of text”. (AP) … Sigh… --——— If he keeps doing this every 5 mins bcoz someone is way too “noobish” for his tastes (and lets face it in FotM 4 most ppl have decent idea what to do) I have an idea why he keeps on being kicked.

Tl;Dr – 3 votes, I would kick you too. :-P

Kumu Honua.2751:

5 times you are booted? Sometimes the results are a cause of a symptom that you don’t correctly diagnose…

5 times? And you were told to shut up? Sounds like you said something they didn’t care for.

I could see maybe in higher level fractals that maybe you got the boot for not knowing content well enough or was hindering a run by doing something. But your getting kicked out of lower level fractals routinely it sounds like.

As for groups you can either group with people you know or use gw2lfg. I’m doing lower level fractals and haven’t had to wait for more than a couple minutes so far.

another funny thing that can happen (but at least isn’t really that bad):
someone suddenly has to go afk when swamp comes up. yes I know, I was having trouble getting this achievement as well, but either you just learn to dodge the traps (made it finally for the first time at lvl 14 or so, pure coincidence) or you ask the group if they’d consider letting you stay to get the achievement. going afk is really bad form and shows how a lot of players think.

as to the poster: your dilemma sounds really strange – I’ve never had any trouble like yours, even when I took the time to explain matters to a player which never did the current stage (or wasn’t sure how it works as his last team just pulled him through – happens at lvl 10 sometimes).
suggestions:
- whisper instead of filling up the group chat. even if you type fast, you don’t play while typing, that can be seen as a hindrance, especially if you write lots of text instead of quick, short instructions like (ie: ‘kite to electic cage’, instead of several sentences explaining the mechanic in detail. most people are smart enough to get the drift with a few hints)
- play at a higher level, where people know how it works
- since you apparently know the mechanics quite well by now, go to gw2lfg and just say you’re looking for experienced players (like those wanting to get an alt into higher levels)
- only add single people, not two people together (ie invite single people who ask for group instead of announcing you’re looking for more people)
- don’t play a support or tank char (seriously, those are the most annoying players of them all.. ‘I specced full support’, which usually means a guardian with pvt gear and no skill at all). play as glasscannon as you can without dying
- if it still happens afterwards.. maybe you’re behaviour isn’t as perfect as you make it out to be.

Just go in first,if they decide to kick you then nobody gets any reward.

Jzl.8715:

I can clearly how OP could offend people from him pug groups,

DancingPenguins.9875:

The more you read OP’s story, the less coherent it becomes. Nobody gets kicked that often without a reason.

His writing exudes rage and ego most people hate pugs for. If that’s after having time to cool off and gather his thoughts, I can’t imagine what party chat must be like. In fact, looking at your post history, there’s a lot of insult and mocking of other players. I wouldn’t be surprised if you are already on a lot of people’s blocklist.

What a surprise, you are actually on my blocklist already.

This has become all too amusing, I will check my list later on since we share an extensive part of our block list.

Got a new one just now, self appointed commander who decides to ragequit because his “strategy” doesn’t work.

I’ll try to be very kind, or else your itchy report finger will earn me another infraction because, apparently, saying " I don’t trust you" is trolling and bashing a nameless guild that doesn’t bother helping its guildmates is prohibited. And then obvious trolls that post just to belittle other users are allowed to run rampant. Oh well, moving on.

I’m very sad to hear about this incident and I agree with you, 2 players shouldn’t be able to kick a whole party. Right now there’s not much you can do but to prehemptively take screenshots if things start looking fishy and report the players to Anet. Also try to always be the first one who enters the dungeon, so kicking you means everyone gets booted. I don’t think this will be very effective but it’s the best you can do, it’s on Arenanet to change the kick system so that the majority ( 3 players, not 4 ) has to vote yes to kick someone.

P.s. you’ve been very unlucky because in the 50+ fractals I’ve ran I’ve never seen someone griefed/kicked.
P.p.s. do you play on EU? If you keep on having bad luck just hit me up and I’ll help you since low level fractals are really fast.

Actually everyone posting on the forums have been receiving really kind treatments. My friends and I have been playing since launch and have never kicked anyone nor been kicked.

If the OP is being kicked for the 6th time only at FOTM 4, I think you are receiving kind of a general consensus from the public that you might be doing something wrong. I believe alot of people are forgiving.

The ideal solution that would be Anti-Greifing would be to have the ENTIRE party be kicked out of FOTM if any player is being kicked from the party.. This would also make the griefers think twice before kicking anyone as they themselves would also be transported out of the FOTM together with the player they just kicked and be unable to enjoy the rewards.

sily.8617:

The ideal solution that would be Anti-Greifing would be to have the ENTIRE party be kicked out of FOTM if any player is being kicked from the party.. This would also make the griefers think twice before kicking anyone as they themselves would also be transported out of the FOTM together with the player they just kicked and be unable to enjoy the rewards.

Another form of griefing can occur in this case. Once the opportunity costs of kicking because too great (eg. 3rd Fract or Jade Maw), griefers can behave in a negative manner without the fear of being booted.

I support increasing the number of kick votes to 3. It is not completely grief-proof but it does make it significantly harder to grief in this way.

sily.8617:

The ideal solution that would be Anti-Greifing would be to have the ENTIRE party be kicked out of FOTM if any player is being kicked from the party.. This would also make the griefers think twice before kicking anyone as they themselves would also be transported out of the FOTM together with the player they just kicked and be unable to enjoy the rewards.

People already do that as a form of griefing. They would hold a party hostage by threatening to leave and kick the entire party if some form of demand is not met from letting them afk for 30 minutes to kicking someone else.

Remember what Valve said, players are good at identifying problems, but NOT good at providing solutions.