9s Duo Belka

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Posted by: Fennec.2961

Fennec.2961

Revisited our duo belka and did it twice as fast.

Normally you would count from when the earth golem hits but if anyone else is gonna try it we thought we might aswell leave that rng bullkitten out and have an even playing field.

Some might say bugging MS/IB all the time is lame, but theres a lot of skill involved in executing the whole kill cleanly and thats what matter, not how you kill it IMO.

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Posted by: Sublimatio.6981

Sublimatio.6981

Very nice. Though I can’t help but feel like a nerf/rework is incoming slowly

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Posted by: maha.7902

maha.7902

As far as I’m aware, nobody has even played the “lacks skill” angle for MS/LB.

The only argument I’d make is that it makes doing fast times very … I dunno, one-dimensional? It doesn’t feel like other classes can score comparable times so it’s kind of like FGS where you just start defaulting to a single tactic for a fast video. I mean, if you look at some of the fastest lupicus kills pre-ele craze, thieves, mesmers, eles, warriors, guards, engis all basically had kill times which were pretty much within a minute (give or take) of each other, so while some classes are obviously better kitted out for the fight, they all feel on-par for the course.

now compare the fastest [insert boss here] kill time of ele to [insert literally any class here] and you have this enormous difference.

i mean i basically don’t even play the game so i’m not going to go on a giant rant and tirade (like, I literally don’t care enough to defend my points) but this is what my perception is of how people may view this “problem” (inverted commas because YMMV).

the only thing I will say is i’ve noticed as fast videos have become more refined is that there’s more and more UI micromanagement with trait and gear changes than ever before as people eke out every last bit of efficiency.

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Posted by: rfdarko.4639

rfdarko.4639

I think this is an instance where actively playing the game is important to the perception of the issue.

FGS was an epidemic. It defined the entire dungeon meta, for all content, on all skill levels. IB/MS is definitive for low mans on single target boss encounters where the boss can be immobile long enough for the duration of the spells, under terrain that’s willing to cooperate. In speed runs, bosses die so fast to a full group that the positioning and set up involved is often a loss in time. In casual or pug runs, it’s rarely worth the effort. And even in the “ideal” situation, all the fiddling around can loose you more time than its worth. (20s ‘normal’ vs 28s with IB on Malrona, at least last i checked.)

I think your point on class imbalance is somewhat true, but warrior is very competitive if not better than ele in long, punishing fights. You’ll notice that there is hide nor hair of an ele mossman solo (that I’ve heard of!). People are still playing around with this new(ish) mechanic and want to see how far they can push it, for science, so there are a lot of videos of it. I haven’t seen it being used hardly at all in the recent record runs, and never in any of my pugs or casual runs (besides my own experiments :x). I don’t think it’s comparable to FGS at this point, and I think the limitations of its use will prevent it from ever getting there.

guildless hobo who likes to solo – [x]

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Posted by: maha.7902

maha.7902

i’m pretty sure that’s because nobody has actually bothered to try rather than because they can’t do it. I mean I think there were people wanting to do no-damage-taken ele mai trin solos, you just need to actually bother to get round to do it.

the FGS comparison I’m making is that in regards to solely damage output, we have something head and shoulders so far above the rest that atleast for solo/low-man settings it’s just the default answer to everything which has a ceiling and either non-threatening mechanics or a way to mitigate the mechanics (which…. just happens to be on the exact same weapon) long enough to get the casts off and delete the boss.

i guess i’m just salty that d/f eles which is probably the set that takes the most work to get it to work right is like, the worst for DPS and it just seems lame that that’s the case, while line casting two skills does so much higher in comparison.

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Posted by: rfdarko.4639

rfdarko.4639

I see where your coming from. At the same time I still think it depends on the boss, whether you are allowed to sit there in the meteor shower animation or not. (Non-threatening mechanics, as you say.) Lade recently did a Svanigandr solo, I did a Kodan’s Bane solo, and for both of those I think d/f is the optimal weapon set. When you are required to swap out of a single attunment for utility, this “gimmick” for lack of a better term, falls off in effectiveness.

And I didn’t mean to imply mossman ele is impossible, it’s def on my list of things to try (I’m just shy about asking people to party sit >.<) and I know others will too. I doubt, though, that the time will be significantly less than warrior or that the weapon-set will be staff/icebow. I think the same could be said for archdiviner, if more people were attempting him. People are picking out the “easy targets” and thus that’s what you see in a lot of videos at the moment.

To the op – that’s not to say that this video is unskilled or easy to pull off. I know because I was pretty proud of my 1 min solo, and was amazed (and a little embarrassed for myself) at how the time just went down and down with further precision and optimization. The iteration was really interesting to follow. I’m not sure how much time is left to squeeze out, but there always seems to be more. XD

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Posted by: dominik.9721

dominik.9721

imo it’s the same cheap way to deal damage as it was the case with fgs.
At least it stands in no relation with the general way to deal dps and even for this reason alone, it should be fixed.

Grimkram [sS]