Guild Wars 2

It’s really hard to find party for some dungeons, when you are necromacner. Every single party ask only for waromesmerguards, and i hate play my warrior in pve, but i have no choice.

Well, even if they removed these classes people still would reject your condi necro.

Pugs reject all necros because even power necros build wrong.

OP, stop making threads and then leaving them.

Except that it’s been proven by now that other party setups are actually better…

… it just takes PUGs a couple of months to process the news and learn new roles.

Let’s imagine a scenario where Warriors, mesmers and Guardians are removed from the game.

1 Ele, 2 Thief, 1 Ranger, 1 Engie = ideal party comp.

Still not viable: Necromancer

it’s too bad you don’t have any character slots to roll a guardian, mesmer, ranger, ele, or thief.

also don’t make me make a “forming an all classes group” video like I did last time this kitten was a big whiny crycry subject. I mean, I could probably form up an all necro-group in under 5 minutes.

we like to run 1G1W3Ele, mad?

Nike Porphyrogenita.8137:

Let’s imagine a scenario where Warriors, mesmers and Guardians are removed from the game.

1 Ele, 2 Thief, 1 Ranger, 1 Engie = ideal party comp.

Still not viable: Necromancer

I ran lvl 38 fractal with 1 Ele, 3 Thief, 1 Engie – fastest fractal EVER! (with a pug that is)
Swamp, Grawl, Dredge with left way (turrets and freezing gun door 3x shadow refugee piece of cake…)

I boot all necros that try to run in my dungeon group. They just slow us down.

If you are pugging, I think you’ll find it’s a small percentage of players who will kick you. Most players who are concerned about party composition will run with a guild group, or will ask specifically in the post which classes they want or don’t want. I’ve never been kicked from a party on my necro – that’s not to say it doesn’t happen, but I think it’s pretty rare.

When people say “I can never get a group for such and such” I just wonder, have you actually tried? Or have you read a few of the forum posts here and assumed its impossible? You can’t play as a condition necromancer and expect to get into a highly optimized speed running group, but you can easily find a pug group.

And the issue is not so much with the class, it’s the broken condi system and “unshakeable” on bosses. Until anet can make debuffing and condition damage relevant, necros will probably continue to be low man on the totem pole in a dungon setting.

Weird I main necro and hardly ever get kicked from groups. Maybe once in a blue moon i do.

Thats because you probably join groups that dont mind so much. Ive never been kicked from any group before. And i only kick people that make things frustrating or obviously cant read the lfg post. Even experienced players will often allow subpar builds in their group as long as the player is competant. Kicking only happens b4 the start of the dungeon to filter out unwanted classes/builds or later on if the player demonstrates that they really deserve to be kicked. If your getting kicked from groups its most likely your fault.

Did you know a necro, with the right traits, can easly put 25 stacks of might on themselves and 25 stacks of vulnerability on thier target in about 5 button presses? It’s a Death Shroud build, but don’t think that a smart necro wouldn’t be able to refill his or her life force by the time the other cooldowns have reseted.

Foefaller.1082:

Did you know a necro, with the right traits, can easly put 25 stacks of might on themselves and 25 stacks of vulnerability on thier target in about 5 button presses? It’s a Death Shroud build, but don’t think that a smart necro wouldn’t be able to refill his or her life force by the time the other cooldowns have reseted.

Except in my experience most power necroes just sit on Axe/X all day and never switch to Dagger or even Death Shroud.

And self might is inefficient, either party might or don’t bother traiting for it.

Played more than a year and I have met exactly 1 power necro when pugging dungeons

If they just made dagger cleaving damage i would take a power necro in my party anytime. Right now they hit pretty hard but when you are fighting 3 or more mobs at the same time they are weak compared to a warrior because of this.

Sometimes, it’s not the class that is the problem. Even when 4 Warrior+Mesmer was the “in” thing, I never really saw any other class getting kicked, unless the player is just terrible, in which case just blame it on clkitteners.

tom.7468:

If they just made dagger cleaving damage i would take a power necro in my party anytime. Right now they hit pretty hard but when you are fighting 3 or more mobs at the same time they are weak compared to a warrior because of this.

Yeah, what I think is lacking is some sort of direct damage AOE from any weapon set of the necro. Mostly are much better off specced for condi or just roll another class. But running condi/CC is basically gimping your party because of the flawed design in condition stacking and boss mechanics. I’m fairly new to necro in a PVE setting and yeah trying to use a necro in dungeons worries me because of this stereotype classism against necros in dungeons. I was planning on building some sort of power well necro. Some tips will be appreciated.

And yes, the more mesmer, warrior, guardians you have in a dungeon party, the higher the chances that you will finish it rather quickly as long as the group has any idea of what they are doing. Guardians have been OP in all settings since beta (PVP, PVE, WVW) but nobody calls for their nerfs. They are the good guys of GW2.

Well its because pugs are months behind meta and still thinks warriors has best damage:-)

Warrior dont have the best damage but have the best Vit and Def that you can get when use Full Berzerker/Cristal Build (18k health and 2.1k armor) I have a bomb-zerker eng that hit more than Warrior GS but you know “LFM Heavy-zerker only”….

I doubt your bombs engie hits for more than a zerk warrior.

Guanglai Kangyi.4318:

I doubt your bombs engie hits for more than a zerk warrior.

Its pretty much equal. Warrior has bit better burst damage headstart but over time Engineer has larger damage output.

I will just link what i already posted in a similar thread.I don’t know why people think that only those 3 classes are viable.My guild has many great players who play Necro,Elementalist,Thief

I hope you are being sarcastic or you are joking OP.If not then you are being really ignorant by thinking that only those 3 classes are good for anything.

Elementalists and thieves glass canons have dps on par as warriors.They have really high burst.But dmg is not anything.Lets talk for them separately.

Thieves are very useful in fractals and Arah and many other dungeons for their group invisibility.You have no idea how fast my dungeon runs go because i have really experienced thieves in my guild.Also their smoke screen is working just like guardian’s walls and bubbles.And on top of that they have very high dmg capabilities.

Staff elementalists have really amazing dps too.Do you know how they can drop down the mobs,Kholer,The spider and the burrows?I don’t think you do.They will melt then like buttor on sun.Their Fiery sowrd and Ice bow is one of their best utilities.Now lets talk about their reflects.Yes they have those too.Their earth is actually quite useful for it’s good reflect shield.
And let me not start about combo fields.

I can only say that thieves and elementalists are almost on par or even as good as warrior’s dps.When pros are playing them.
Guardian,thief,warrior,elementalist and mesmer are great professions especially for dungeons.

I have forgotten the necros.Do you actually know how good is their double hp bar for fractals?Try playing with one and you will see.

This is why I only do dungeons with friends/guildies. Bring the player, not the class.

Chipster.6713:

This is why I only do dungeons with friends/guildies. Bring the player, not the class.

You said it so good

I never got kicked or asked to come with a specific profession. Don’t know all the complaints in this videos (ok then mostly I play Guardian and Warrior, but sometimes Necro, Ranger or Engineer).

But being in parties, let’s say with pugs or some guildies and pugs, we never ask for specific professions, it’s just fine if one wants to come with an engineer or ele (even preferred in AC for all the burrows).

Chipster.6713:

This is why I only do dungeons with friends/guildies. Bring the player, not the class.

+1

I can’t carry myself to pugging anymore tbh.

AndrewSX.3794:

Chipster.6713:

This is why I only do dungeons with friends/guildies. Bring the player, not the class.

+1

I can’t carry myself to pugging anymore tbh.

I carry myself and pugs.

TheMaskedParadigm.3629:

AndrewSX.3794:

Chipster.6713:

This is why I only do dungeons with friends/guildies. Bring the player, not the class.

+1

I can’t carry myself to pugging anymore tbh.

I carry myself and pugs.

Hehehe

Chipster.6713:

This is why I only do dungeons with friends/guildies. Bring the player, not the class.

except a player who plays bad builds is automatically a bad player

Foefaller.1082:

Did you know a necro, with the right traits, can easly put 25 stacks of might on themselves and 25 stacks of vulnerability on thier target in about 5 button presses? It’s a Death Shroud build, but don’t think that a smart necro wouldn’t be able to refill his or her life force by the time the other cooldowns have reseted.

Thats a bad build for dungeons. Theres countless reasons why its terrible. But Ill just point out the obvious seeing as you mentioned might and vuln. Its selfish might and doesnt help the group, only the necro. A good group stacks aoe might before and during a fight so necro selfish might is useless. The vuln is nice but you have to sit in DS and do terrible dps to get it.