Guild Wars 2

Wanting to skip every kittening mob! Especially when the time negligible… What are you running the fractals for if not in part for the good loot? Just so you can get a ring or weapon to help you get a higher number?
Some of those stupid (bats in the grawl dungeon on the way to last boss for example) have dropped named exotics for me (one sold for 4G – something that started with a ‘z’). Many times some of the trash along the way to the jade maw drops all kinds of good kitten. Powerful blood, ect… Everyone ALWAYS seems to want to skip everything on the way to the jade maw…
I can see skipping when it really does save you a good amount of time but 2 minutes?
The trash must be there for some reason. Other than just being obstacles in your way. They are not even good at being that because it really doesn’t take anything to skip them. Could it be that they put those mobs there to actually give you a little bonus for playing? ****

Time + Efficiency + Just wanting tokens = Skipping mobs

I agree with the OP. All mobs have a chance to drop Globs of essence too which is need for making ascended gear.

There are enough mobs in there that you are forced to kill that I have no qualms with skipping past the ones that are skippable.

For example on the grawl one that you mentioned, you HAVE to kill waves and waves of grawl at the very beginning.

I see no reason to stick around and spend 30 seconds to kill a single mob when we just spent 5 minutes to kill 50 at the start.

@TheRabbit – The reason you would stick around and spend another 30 seconds (often less than that) is for a potentially great drop. Which these trash mobs seem to drop more often than some trash outside this dungeon.

As long as the group is good, I don’t care. I’ll skip it all if you want but I think many of you are making a mistake and should reconsider. The tokens themselves only help you make gear that make it easier to progress further into the same fractals. Which hopefully means even better loot in the higher ones (lvl 17 now for myself).

I pug, and more often then not, the group sucks.

A few runs ago, it took us 40 minutes to break the arm seals in difficulty 16. 40 minutes for ONE PART of ONE FRACTAL at difficulty 16.

We also wiped about 10 times because the group wanted to “take it slow”.

Yes, killing the Veteran Novices at the side of the Chest seal with NO HAMMER is very efficient.

Master Bei Shun.1267:

Veteran Novices

That oxymoron made me laugh.

Back on topic: OP, it is not productive to make forum posts about peoples’ choices in PuG groups. All you will get is: agreement from those who agree with you already; flames from those who disagree; and you won’t accomplish anything since nothing will change.

You might be better served creating or joining a guild that includes people who think like you do. Why, there are some posting in this thread!

Pro’s run past as much as possible.

You need to stop playing GW2 and L2P GW2: Dungeon Runner.

Run from as much as you can whenever possible. Totally the way these dungeons are intended to be run, rest assured!

Learn to run. Then you, too, can be a leet dood.

Nonlinear.9823:

Pro’s run past as much as possible.

You need to stop playing GW2 and L2P GW2: Dungeon Runner.

Run from as much as you can whenever possible. Totally the way these dungeons are intended to be run, rest assured!

Learn to run. Then you, too, can be a leet dood.

A pro “run paster” ROFL are you serious , there is no skill in running past a mob. OnLy advice I can give the op is find a group or guild that does fracts as intended instead of pugging

Booler.6598:

A pro “run paster” ROFL are you serious

No, but I’m not a leet dood that feels the need to run past everything.

I think OP should go to gw2lfg and just create a group specifying no running/skipping mobs.
I personally like to skip veterans mainly because I’m often not on my MF gear and they’re just not worth the time for me. I believe with a full MF set it would’ve been different.

And honestly speaking when I’m in a pug and with my PTV gear on after a long boss fight (e.g. moss man), trying to stay on top of my game whereas my pug member (with MF gear as he told us later) just get defeated with one shot agony down lying on the ground for the most part. And he managed to loot off lodestones and exotics from the chest showing it off made me very uncomfortable.

Nobody likes the freerider.

Portal Master.9146:

@TheRabbit – The reason you would stick around and spend another 30 seconds (often less than that) is for a potentially great drop. Which these trash mobs seem to drop more often than some trash outside this dungeon.

As long as the group is good, I don’t care. I’ll skip it all if you want but I think many of you are making a mistake and should reconsider. The tokens themselves only help you make gear that make it easier to progress further into the same fractals. Which hopefully means even better loot in the higher ones (lvl 17 now for myself).

You missed my point. I was saying that earlier we were aoeing huge clumps of mobs down earlier (that all drop loot). Why would we slow down and stop to kill these single mobs when we could rush past them and get to the next big clump of aoe mobs sooner?

More loot and faster = better.

I wish you could inspect people’s spec/gear/level/class before having them join. I miss World of Warcraft’s Armory… don’t know how many people tried to join a pug I was leading only to look at their profile and find them using bad gear with empty sockets and nonsensical specs.

Jericho.5940:

And honestly speaking when I’m in a pug and with my PTV gear on after a long boss fight (e.g. moss man), trying to stay on top of my game whereas my pug member (with MF gear as he told us later) just get defeated with one shot agony down lying on the ground for the most part. And he managed to loot off lodestones and exotics from the chest showing it off made me very uncomfortable.

Nobody likes the freerider.

You do realize that MF gear only affects drops from mobs, not from chests?

I don’t think the OP understands opportunity cost.

The cost-benefit doesn’t justify it. Let’s say you have 2 hours to run fractals and that killing every mob takes you 1 hour to do one, if you skip stuff it takes you 40 min. That means in the same amount of time you can either do 2 fractal runs with full clear or 3 fractal runs with skipping. The thing you’ve got to keep in mind is that even with skipping you’re constantly killing stuff (just only the stuff you need to). So in both cases your spending 2 hours killing things. Roughly the same number of mobs killed and the same number of loot chances. Only difference is for full clear you get less tokens for the same amount of time. Hence, why people skip.

These times were just an example, but even if skipping only saves you 2 minutes, that 2 minutes would be better spent doing another run because it increases your token yield while maintaining the same killing rate.

People often overestimate the benefits of skipping mobs though. For instance when running through the forest on the Ice fractal I can quite often make 20-40s in drops from the 3 groups of 5~ veterans on the way. They take about 30 seconds per enemy group to solo, or 10~ seconds if the group obliterates them, yet you’ll still see people jumping at rocks like madmen in an attempt to skip this 1-minute loot pinata.

There’s no need to go back and clear alternate paths and such, but simply AEing down mobs you come across instead of trying to charge through is very rewarding.

Noone is interested in gold. If you want to farm gold, fractals is not the place.
Fractals is about getting tokens and ascended gear.

BUTTERBLUME.3217:

Noone is interested in gold. If you want to farm gold, fractals is not the place.
Fractals is about getting tokens and ascended gear.

That’s quite a big generalization – many people farm fractals for gold. Myself included.

Unless you’re running MF , the likelihood of getting rare loots are rather slim in time vs. reward situation. even if you would have ran MF, this would merely appear as counterproductive as you’re providing less for your team. Most of the goodies you get are straight from the stage chests; this includes the fotm weapon skins from daily chests on lv 20+.

KuroKanden.1026:

Unless you’re running MF , the likelihood of getting rare loots are rather slim in time vs. reward situation. even if you would have ran MF, this would merely appear as counterproductive as you’re providing less for your team. Most of the goodies you get are straight from the stage chests; this includes the fotm weapon skins from daily chests on lv 20+.

Is this your opinion or are you stating this as fact? because if it’s the latter I would say that you’re incorrect as I just did a FotM run that didn’t even last 40 minutes and I got 4 rare items – 2 cores and some decent vendor trash items + mats. If I spend the same amount of time @ CS or Orr at the moment I would not yeild that much (although there was a time when it was close). So my experience with FotM tells me otherwise.

KuroKanden.1026:

Unless you’re running MF , the likelihood of getting rare loots are rather slim in time vs. reward situation. even if you would have ran MF, this would merely appear as counterproductive as you’re providing less for your team.

This is all an issue of scale and return on investment. You can get 35%~ MF with relatively little loss in combat stats (100~ power) from runes, and another 30-40 % from food at a similar cost (or zero cost if you aren’t otherwise using food). Especially in lower difficulties the returns on this tradeoff are well worth it, and I encourage my groups to use low-cost MF when possible. Even running 50%~ MF the masses of weak veteran mobs in fractals are veritable loot pinatas that usually net me at least a gold or two per fractal set, possibly much more if there’s some luck with T6 mats (bloods are glorious piles of silver).

You probably shouldn’t be running 200 % MF in tier 3 fractals, but it is absolutely worthwhile to utilize some efficient MF and clear trash. By the same token, groups that won’t say a word when they see a groupmate running a relatively useless signet or terrible build won’t say a word but will get up in arms when someone is running some MF when changing that first groupmate’s build would probably allow everyone to run 100 %~ MF with the same group effectiveness.

elderan.2638:

The cost-benefit doesn’t justify it. Let’s say you have 2 hours to run fractals and that killing every mob takes you 1 hour to do one, if you skip stuff it takes you 40 min. That means in the same amount of time you can either do 2 fractal runs with full clear or 3 fractal runs with skipping. The thing you’ve got to keep in mind is that even with skipping you’re constantly killing stuff (just only the stuff you need to). So in both cases your spending 2 hours killing things. Roughly the same number of mobs killed and the same number of loot chances. Only difference is for full clear you get less tokens for the same amount of time. Hence, why people skip.

These times were just an example, but even if skipping only saves you 2 minutes, that 2 minutes would be better spent doing another run because it increases your token yield while maintaining the same killing rate.

This.

When a dungeon takes over an hour, the last thing you wanna do is spend more time on it just for a very small chance of getting something when there are other places where you get more without RNG.

KuroKanden.1026:

Unless you’re running MF , the likelihood of getting rare loots are rather slim in time vs. reward situation. even if you would have ran MF, this would merely appear as counterproductive as you’re providing less for your team. Most of the goodies you get are straight from the stage chests; this includes the fotm weapon skins from daily chests on lv 20+.

Nha i run both a full tank spec on my warrior and mf geared necro and if the difference is noticeable once you sold all the loot at the vendor; you will drop a lot of rare and some exo with pretty much zero mf as well.

Waste of time, you already kill a bunch of stuff that you can’t run by. If you have more time to play, run another fractal and kill mobs you need to + get tokens and progression instead of derping around killing some bats.

Sleepy.2647:

When a dungeon takes over an hour, the last thing you wanna do is spend more time on it just for a very small chance of getting something when there are other places where you get more without RNG.

There are actually very few farming spots in the game that can provide a wealth of laughably easy veterans. Fractals are amazing loot pinatas.

I don’t have a problem with doing it either way as long as the group makes an agreement beforehand. If no one says anything, I’m going to stop for 30 seconds to solo a veteran group and count my gold at the end. If others want to pitch in and make that 30 seconds into 10 seconds, great.

Strifey.7215:

Waste of time, you already kill a bunch of stuff that you can’t run by. If you have more time to play, run another fractal and kill mobs you need to + get tokens and progression instead of derping around killing some bats.

+1

The fractals are the worst grind I’ve seen in a long time in MMOs, there is no reason to make it even worse by killing every single mob. In addition, a lot of people do fractals cause they want to get the ascended gear, they don’t care about rare or exotic drops that much.
If you want to do a grind run, ask for it up front.

Strifey.7215:

Waste of time, you already kill a bunch of stuff that you can’t run by. If you have more time to play, run another fractal and kill mobs you need to + get tokens and progression instead of derping around killing some bats.

Actually the biggest waste of time is when one of the team member die in the middle of a run and nobody even want to go back, if it is even possible, because in many situation if you didn’t killed them, you won’t be able to come back to res, not talking about mobs waiting for you at the check point to finish you if you respawn there and can’t even “wake up” at respawn point because of them… You can’t say those situations isn’t common, especially in fractal. The most horrible part is that even if those are trash mob, you still need your party to kill them quickly, so if one or 2 members want to run, the whole group have to run because of them. So all in all i’m sorry but runners aren’t very smart, create a lot of problem just to skip couple of minute tops for the entire dungeon length, which is pretty long for a full fractal, at least an hour. Personally i don’t like it at least.

They are run dungeon parts like the dolphin one, obviously designed to be that way, those are pretty good in fact, they learn people to stick together to be efficient, the rest is pretty bad. But its mostly bad because people want to run past them, and not because of design.

It’s actually fun when i look at people skipping. Forgetting how many ascended mats they are skipping, and on higher fractal, how many fractal weapons they should have found. Expecially maw’s adds from beginning till boss, they usually have higher droprate. Stupidity is endless

I agree TC, i will purposly hold the group up untill they come back and kill them, i dont mind skipping past the respawning enemys, but they are a must to kill, it’s either kill them, or boot me and have to restart dungeon all over again.

I’ll stop exploiting and skipping when you get rid of the stupid RNG and fix it so we can get back in after disconnect.

karma.8763:

I agree TC, i will purposly hold the group up untill they come back and kill them, i dont mind skipping past the respawning enemys, but they are a must to kill, it’s either kill them, or boot me and have to restart dungeon all over again.

Forums is pretty nice to build a good quality ignore list. So I don’t have to run with people like you.

It will not happen no need to make clones of threads that already exist

karma.8763:

I agree TC, i will purposly hold the group up untill they come back and kill them.

I would just kick you and 4 man it. I’m there now only for the rings that never drops. I don’t need more junk from trash. There are enough not skippable mobs out there to kill. If you don’t quit game after 100 more runs you will skip everything too.

+1 to Oh Snapalope and Grav

But bare in mind he will probably do this right at the start so you can easily kick him and find a 5th again rather quickly since he is probably at a very low difficulty level to have that attitude still stuck with all the mouth breathers, testing the theory of “infinite monkeys and typewriters” in the fractals to get a copy of the works of William Shakespeare aka move up to the higher levels.

Grav.4790:

karma.8763:

I agree TC, i will purposly hold the group up untill they come back and kill them.

I would just kick you and 4 man it. I’m there now only for the rings that never drops. I don’t need more junk from trash. There are enough not skippable mobs out there to kill. If you don’t quit game after 100 more runs you will skip everything too.

Conversely, I got my rings in 3 runs and now am more interested in farming the mobs. Maybe I should boot you for having different priorities?

Or, better yet, just communicate for ten seconds when you’re putting the group together so everyone is on the same page, that is all it takes. This should be something discussed within the first minute of a group getting together, not halfway through the second fractal. Nor is it alright to just assume everyone does things one particular way and then complain when the group isn’t on the same page and you didn’t bother to let them know.

All of this could be solved if people went on VOIP.

@op
I actually always kill the bats as it only takes few seconds, and I tell my team that I’m killing them for certain drops. I never had anyone complaining about it.
About dredge and similar skips: get to level 20+ even 30+ grinding is too BORING and REPETITIVE, you really can’t blame people for skipping the content that is too flawed. Also, they don’t have any real advantage from it than saving FEW minutes of their time.

That “higher number” from the ring is the agony resists, it’s needed to progress. I don’t need anything else to progress but this one stupid resist for a ring that won’t drop.