Guild Wars 2

My group had a problem with storymode Vassar last night – he was immune to condition damage. I was running my condition-spec Necromancer, and we split Ralena and Vassar up using the door trick. We took out Ralena without too much trouble; however, whenever we took on Vassar, he had an “immune” text float up constantly whenever I’d hit him with a condition damage ability. Nothing on his powers description indicated this immunity.

Given that my gear is all Ravaging, I was screwed, even when switching to direct-damage weapons – I was hitting like a wet noodle. It had nothing to do with his bubble — I fired at him when it was up, and when it was done. Boulders would hit him, but conditions would not. Heck, boulders were my only way of doing any observable damage.

What gives?

Stop using condition builds. That will solve all of your problems.

Actual answers are appreciated.

That was an actual answer, and it should be appreciated.

Player offers advice.
OP ignores advice.

This is why I don’t like helping people.

I think I remember a.net saying they are going to “fix” conditions next patch? but I can also remember hearing that before, so I’m not hopeful.

Reason condi’s are broken in PvE is there are so many things that cause burns/put on bleeds/etc. that while you can potentially maintain 20 stacks of bleed, the number is less due to your teamates taking yours off. Even with your max level of conditions on a mob, your DPS will be less then another necro running a berserker build.

Also there’s several mobs in the game that can instantly remove all condis from them as part of their fight mechanic. These reasons are why you were given the advice of “don’t run condition builds” they’re good for PvP, but are not balanced for PvE.

As for your issue. Immune can come up if the game thinks that you are attacking the boss from some place where it cannot attack you… even if that is not the case. normally this is due to elevation differences. when swapping to your dagger/axe/staff for direct damage it probably reset allowing you to do damage again, but it was low due to the condi spec. you probably would of been fine to swap back to your scepter and continue afterwards

Thank you, durend — at least you know how to provide a legitimate, relevant answer.

The condition damage was being applied fine throughout the rest of the dungeon, so I don’t know why it would be bugged in that particular encounter alone. Also, it happened in more than one try on Vassar.

I’ll see if it happens again on another run, but the elevation of the stairs and other parts of the fight area seemed to be much simpler than the encounter with the Ranger, where the conditions were applied without any issues. I’ll give the Direct damage reset a try to see if that does anything.

It seemed odd because in some You Tube videos I’ve seen of the fight with other parties, both Ralena and Vassar took condition damage. In my fight, Vassar never had a bleed or poison icon on him (the only ones I knew were being applied).

Perhaps the “Immune” message popped up coincidentally when there was some odd positioning issue, but honestly, all the attacks were flying pretty much in plain view; I would only LOS to avoid damage, if possible.

colesy.8490:

You didn’t even want help, did you?

You just wanted someone to tell you something you wanted to hear/see.

Pathetic.

do you seriously have nothing better to do than be needlessly hostile on internet forums

the poor state of conditions is a legitimate complaint, and “advice” to not use them is not useful to this end

I’d like to point out that conditions will be most likely nerfed on oc15 due to sPvP and WvW issues. Please note that any damage dealing condition already sucks in PvE.
Now think again – Was Brazil’s advice actually bad? I don’t think so.

lethlora.1320:

colesy.8490:

You didn’t even want help, did you?

You just wanted someone to tell you something you wanted to hear/see.

Pathetic.

do you seriously have nothing better to do than be needlessly hostile on internet forums

the poor state of conditions is a legitimate complaint, and “advice” to not use them is not useful to this end

We know conditions are messed up in PvE. That doesn’t change the fact that Brazil gave genuine advice on how the OP can solve his problem.

Also, thanks for reporting my post.

OP: I bought chocolate ice cream, and for some reason it didn’t taste like chocolate. Why is that?
Brasil: Don’t buy chocolate ice cream. Problem solved. RESPECT ME!!!

Blood Red Arachnid.2493:

OP: I bought chocolate ice cream, and for some reason it didn’t taste like chocolate. Why is that?
Brasil: Don’t buy chocolate ice cream. Problem solved. RESPECT ME!!!

Are you putting condition damage in PvE at the same level as chocolate? Burn in hell.

Blood Red Arachnid.2493:

OP: I bought chocolate ice cream, and for some reason it didn’t taste like chocolate. Why is that?
Brasil: Don’t buy chocolate ice cream. Problem solved. RESPECT ME!!!

No, the answer would be to buy a different brand of chocolate ice cream. If you want to apply your nonsense to this situation, the answer would be to do damage in a different way. Condition damage is capped on how much it can do, and the entire group of people you are playing with all share this cap. 5 Rangers get to share 25 bleed stacks and fight over Burning and Poison. It’s a stupid design and it doesn’t work in PvE. If every single mob or boss was a Dredge from Fractal 80, then condition damage would serve more of a purpose. Everything is susceptible to direct damage.

Blood Red Arachnid.2493:

OP: I bought coke and mentos, but I can’t put them together. Why is that?
Brasil: Don’t put mentos in coke. It doesn’t work.

FTFY

OP: I tried to use a sandwich bag as a prophylactic and it didn’t work well!
Brazil: Try using an actual prophylactic.
OP: No, I like sandwich bags.

TheMaskedParadigm.3629:

Blood Red Arachnid.2493:

OP: I bought chocolate ice cream, and for some reason it didn’t taste like chocolate. Why is that?
Brasil: Don’t buy chocolate ice cream. Problem solved. RESPECT ME!!!

No, the answer would be to buy a different brand of chocolate ice cream. If you want to apply your nonsense to this situation, the answer would be to do damage in a different way. Condition damage is capped on how much it can do, and the entire group of people you are playing with all share this cap. 5 Rangers get to share 25 bleed stacks and fight over Burning and Poison. It’s a stupid design and it doesn’t work in PvE. If every single mob or boss was a Dredge from Fractal 80, then condition damage would serve more of a purpose. Everything is susceptible to direct damage.

No, the answer is what durend said. The OP was asking a very specific question, and you didn’t answer it. Instead, you broke off into an unrelated tangent where you massage your own ego about how much you like strawberry icecream, just like you are doing now.

Brazil doesn’t even need to push his ego with ice cream. We all know he survived bloomhunger and the spiders in Arah as mesmer so he is op!

Anyway condition dmg is trash and we must not let this poor soul run with that. All his problems are solved when be run berserker

It’s amazing. Someone asks a legit question and the whole i-love-zerker-crew is coming to start an off-topic discussion to “educate” the masses.

Last time i checked even power builds are using conditions. I’m pretty sure it will hurt your “insane damage” if you suddenly cannot apply any vulnerability on your targets or if a mesmers phantasms cannot stack any bleeds at all.

so no, not all of his problems are solved if he is using a power build and your “advice” is not helpful.

Last time I checked power builds were not synonymous with zerker.

Vortigern.1987:

It’s amazing. Someone asks a legit question and the whole i-love-zerker-crew is coming to start an off-topic discussion to “educate” the masses.

Last time i checked even power builds are using conditions. I’m pretty sure it will hurt your “insane damage” if you suddenly cannot apply any vulnerability on your targets or if a mesmers phantasms cannot stack any bleeds at all.

so no, not all of his problems are solved if he is using a power build and your “advice” is not helpful.

All of your problems will be solved once you use a power build and actual good gear to go with it. Condition gear will always be the weaker one.

I do not even play a necromancer or use a condition build in dungeons.

That doesn’t change the fact that my damage would be much lower without 25 stacks of vulnerability or without the bleeds that my mesmer generates as “support damage” when she is using sword/pistol.

every kind of build benefits from conditions, when mobs get immune to them it is something that hurts all of us, not only pure condition specs. Thus the “advice” is still useless.

Blood Red Arachnid.2493:

OP: I bought chocolate ice cream, and for some reason it didn’t taste like chocolate. Why is that?
Brasil: Don’t buy chocolate ice cream. Problem solved. RESPECT ME!!!

I like how you think direct dmg vs conditions is a subjective argument.

It is subjective.

For some people their characters are more than a bunch of stats and a dps score. They play the class/spec because they like it. Those people usually do not care how long a dungeon crawl takes, they just enjoy playing their toon.

It is perfectly fine if you do not want to play with those people, they probably do not want to play with you too. Just don’t tell them that they should play something else that is not fun for them. Everybody should be able to play the class/spec he likes. If you do not want to play with them and are looking for a pug, make your own group and a description how you want to play.

If you’re going to complain about condition damage not working properly then take our advice and switch to beserker…

OP has no problem with condition damage. He just found a funny situation on a particular boss.

OP, way to lure all the “elit” roaches! you forgot the gasoline and the matches.

You are free to enjoy and play condition builds, but I am also free to tell you how bad they are and why you shouldn’t use them.

Amurond.4590:

Blood Red Arachnid.2493:

OP: I bought chocolate ice cream, and for some reason it didn’t taste like chocolate. Why is that?
Brasil: Don’t buy chocolate ice cream. Problem solved. RESPECT ME!!!

I like how you think direct dmg vs conditions is a subjective argument.

I like how you think that is what I am criticizing. If the OP was asking about direct dmg vs condition dmg, then it would be relevant.

But he didn’t.

Vortigern.1987:

It is subjective.

For some people their characters are more than a bunch of stats and a dps score. They play the class/spec because they like it. Those people usually do not care how long a dungeon crawl takes, they just enjoy playing their toon.

It is perfectly fine if you do not want to play with those people, they probably do not want to play with you too. Just don’t tell them that they should play something else that is not fun for them. Everybody should be able to play the class/spec he likes. If you do not want to play with them and are looking for a pug, make your own group and a description how you want to play.

Well said. Unfortunately, however, it’s going to fall on deaf ears in this forum.

I want to play how i want! game should be modified to cater to how I want to play!

Black Box.9312:

Vortigern.1987:

It is subjective.

For some people their characters are more than a bunch of stats and a dps score. They play the class/spec because they like it. Those people usually do not care how long a dungeon crawl takes, they just enjoy playing their toon.

It is perfectly fine if you do not want to play with those people, they probably do not want to play with you too. Just don’t tell them that they should play something else that is not fun for them. Everybody should be able to play the class/spec he likes. If you do not want to play with them and are looking for a pug, make your own group and a description how you want to play.

Well said. Unfortunately, however, it’s going to fall on deaf ears in this forum.

No it won’t. The casuals will eat it up and continue doing what they want.

Vortigern.1987:

It is subjective.

For some people their characters are more than a bunch of stats and a dps score. They play the class/spec because they like it. Those people usually do not care how long a dungeon crawl takes, they just enjoy playing their toon.

It is perfectly fine if you do not want to play with those people, they probably do not want to play with you too. Just don’t tell them that they should play something else that is not fun for them. Everybody should be able to play the class/spec he likes. If you do not want to play with them and are looking for a pug, make your own group and a description how you want to play.

What a nice speech… if you’re running for Miss universe.

I guess, if they would care for computer games, then indeed, it certainly would be a good speech. The reason for this is, that the topic of these speeches is usually something that would make the world a better place. I guess i have to thank you for proving my point.

However, while removing war and hunger for the whole world is an utopian thing to do, it would be quite possible to make GW2 a better game by being more friendly, patient and helpful.

I am friendly, patient and helpful… with people that want to learn.

If you would like to make a suggestion there is the suggestions forum. That would be a good place to go to say “I was getting immune, conditions seem broken. I think we should fix conditions” Although this has been beaten to death, so maybe not that good of an idea.

If you want actual advice about the dungeons, well then:

TheMaskedParadigm.3629:

Stop using condition builds. That will solve all of your problems.

wow this changed quickly how did help me for some reason I’m unable to damage this boss by normal means without an indicator on his buff bar saying that he is immune to my damage type change to, that damage type is useless anyways don’t use it…Yes I also agree that zerker is a great stat type that I use on my main but that doesn’t seem to be the question here…

Infamous Darkness.3284:

wow this changed quickly how did help me for some reason I’m unable to damage this boss by normal means without an indicator on his buff bar saying that he is immune to my damage type change to, that damage type is useless anyways don’t use it…Yes I also agree that zerker is a great stat type that I use on my main but that doesn’t seem to be the question here…

" help me…. immune to my damage type"

Change damage types.

We could say “yeah Anet,change this, put an indicator” which will take 3/4 months.

Or he could see immediate improvement by getting away from conditions.

Yes but his/her question was more along the lines of help my damage type isn’t working how can I get it to work. Rather than what is the most optimal setup for this boss…And they already have that indicator it is used on this guy.
While yes the solution to change stat types to zerk is a valid and best way to beat the boss quickly, but this person may not have the resources to respec and get a new set of BiS gear to do a story dungeon, if they are not doing story dungeons for the daily/unlocking it for more characters it could be assumed it is their first time through the dungeon which isn’t a far flung assumption considering its the first dungeon in the game and he/she didn’t have experience in story mode. Therefore the suggestion of change to a better setup may not be an option thus =no help for the current situation.

Infamous Darkness.3284:

Yes but his/her question was more along the lines of help my damage type isn’t working how can I get it to work.

The question was “what gives?”

That was already answered and disregarded.

TheMaskedParadigm.3629:

Black Box.9312:

Vortigern.1987:

It is subjective.

For some people their characters are more than a bunch of stats and a dps score. They play the class/spec because they like it. Those people usually do not care how long a dungeon crawl takes, they just enjoy playing their toon.

It is perfectly fine if you do not want to play with those people, they probably do not want to play with you too. Just don’t tell them that they should play something else that is not fun for them. Everybody should be able to play the class/spec he likes. If you do not want to play with them and are looking for a pug, make your own group and a description how you want to play.

Well said. Unfortunately, however, it’s going to fall on deaf ears in this forum.

No it won’t. The casuals will eat it up and continue doing what they want.

Good. Let them do just that, and proceed on your way without them.

I actually would like to know is he really immune or was OP in some unreachable place which turned Vassar invulnerable.

Wethospu.6437:

I actually would like to know is he really immune or was OP in some unreachable place which turned Vassar invulnerable.

Quit being rational and jump on the anti-conditions train.

my guess was that he wasn’t in some unreachable place because he/she said that they were doing damage by throwing the rocks.