Guild Wars 2

I’m wondering if anyone farms ARAH any more..I looked up the weapons, and I freaking love how they look..And see they cost a bit of the dungeons items..So would anyone be up for farming the dungeon?

Lol, everyone farms the dungeon. Just get on around reset.

I usually run arah around 7am server time to 11:30am server time since I’m oceanic. I usually post an lfg for what path I’m doing if I’m not in the mood for soloing. But if you join me expect to go full melee

Sadly Arah is now full of people that skip the bosses and then sell at the end. Even more sadly, there’s enough terrible players willing to pay 7-20g per path to support this. Arah is the only dungeon that has this problem so imo Anet needs to make bosses required to complete the dungeon and get the reward.

You’ll still be able to find runs every now and again but they seem to outnumbered about 4:1 by sellers. It is advisable that you watch a guide before you jump in as some of the bosses actually have mechanics you need to know.

The BHB is strong with this one^

vespers.1759:

Arah is the only dungeon that has this problem

giggle

Not sure why everyone is disagreeing so hard. I very very rarely see people selling paths other than Arah, but open the LFg to Arah and I guarantee you’ll see a bunch of paths being sold.

vespers.1759:

Not sure why everyone is disagreeing so hard. I very very rarely see people selling paths other than Arah, but open the LFg to Arah and I guarantee you’ll see a bunch of paths being sold.

I’ve seen many being sold on eu.

And that isn’t even the point.

You’re basically grouping 2 groups of people into 2 negative biased sections. Dungeon path sellers are bad and exploiting and dungeon buyers are terrible players. Neither assertion is actually true.

I buy paths to power level. I can assure you I’m a fine player.

People who sell me the paths (at least recently) do not exploit or skip bosses. Because no one wants to be Perma banned for this.

You need to come down from your high horse and see reality. The reason you see all sellers is because non selling lfgs fill 5 times faster than selling does.

Lilith Ajit.6173:

vespers.1759:

Not sure why everyone is disagreeing so hard. I very very rarely see people selling paths other than Arah, but open the LFg to Arah and I guarantee you’ll see a bunch of paths being sold.

I’ve seen many being sold on eu.

And that isn’t even the point.

You’re basically grouping 2 groups of people into 2 negative biased sections. Dungeon path sellers are bad and exploiting and dungeon buyers are terrible players. Neither assertion is actually true.

I buy paths to power level. I can assure you I’m a fine player.

People who sell me the paths (at least recently) do not exploit or skip bosses. Because no one wants to be Perma banned for this.

You need to come down from your high horse and see reality. The reason you see all sellers is because non selling lfgs fill 5 times faster than selling does.

I couldn’t care less about people selling paths… providing they are not skipping things like lupicus to do so. Unfortunately, a lot of people are. There are of course honest people, and more power to them.

Also, in my experience people buying paths to level faster are in the vast minority. The reason selling arah is so common is because a lot of people don’t want to do it. Generally all agree that it is harder than the other dungeons. Buyers want their tokens and dungeon master title (lol) without having to do the dungeon. Most of my guildies have never attempted arah because they paid for paths. I don’t have any respect for that and i miss the days when people actually ran the dungeon.

I recently returned to the game after a 4 month break and i don’t remember nearly the amount of sellers that there is now.

Dude, I have a teaching tour on the weekends. All paths. There are people waiting in the wings for it. Believe me, people run it w/o selling. All the time. The lfgs fill instantly, which is why you don’t see them.

IvanTheGrey.2941:

Dude, I have a teaching tour on the weekends. All paths. There are people waiting in the wings for it. Believe me, people run it w/o selling. All the time. The lfgs fill instantly, which is why you don’t see them.

Oh I know people still run the dungeon, but dungeon sellers are far far more common than they used to be, and the vast majority of LFGs want experienced members that will melee lupicus. It is much harder to find a group willing to take a beginner.

It’s great that you do teaching runs. I’d love to see more people do the dungeon instead of just buying the tokens. I also think part of the reason people are wanting to go with you so much is because you’re known on the forums and are a member of a well known guild.

Guild doesn’t have anything to do with it tbh. People want to learn the path so they can bring their guildees with them. I’m sure if anyone did the same kind of advertising as I did, it would be full.

vespers.1759:

IvanTheGrey.2941:

Dude, I have a teaching tour on the weekends. All paths. There are people waiting in the wings for it. Believe me, people run it w/o selling. All the time. The lfgs fill instantly, which is why you don’t see them.

Oh I know people still run the dungeon, but dungeon sellers are far far more common than they used to be, and the vast majority of LFGs want experienced members that will melee lupicus. It is much harder to find a group willing to take a beginner.

It’s great that you do teaching runs. I’d love to see more people do the dungeon instead of just buying the tokens. I also think part of the reason people are wanting to go with you so much is because you’re known on the forums and are a member of a well known guild.

1) True, there are a hell of a lot people selling now. The money making method is effectively ruined to the point of it not really being worthwhile anymore unless you sell at the perfect time of the day/night when you don’t have competition.

2) Vast majority of the LFG posts are people that don’t know what they’re doing and expect to be carried by either a mesmer or a guard for phase 2. Just about every time I’ve joined an LFG that said “melee lupi” the people in it were total nubs.

3) You’re right about it being difficult to find groups tolerant of beginners (at times) but it isn’t tough to make your own LFG for it nor is this an Arah-exclusive issue. It happens everywhere, not just here.

Arah is one of the most run dungeons in the game. Beware it is also one of the only dungeons to actually be a challenge (while ironically being simultaneously easy to solo).

You gotta learn tactics for bosses like Lupicus.

Kain Francois.4328:

Arah is one of the most run dungeons in the game. Beware it is also one of the only dungeons to actually be a challenge (while ironically being simultaneously easy to solo).

You gotta learn tactics for bosses like Lupicus.

vespers.1759:

Oh I know people still run the dungeon, but dungeon sellers are far far more common than they used to be, and the vast majority of LFGs want experienced members that will melee lupicus. It is much harder to find a group willing to take a beginner.

I’ve heard that it’s possible to list your own LFG asking for a teacher. I think it only costs like 200 gems or something. Or maybe it was an exploit.

Not sure.

dlonie.6547:

vespers.1759:

Oh I know people still run the dungeon, but dungeon sellers are far far more common than they used to be, and the vast majority of LFGs want experienced members that will melee lupicus. It is much harder to find a group willing to take a beginner.

I’ve heard that it’s possible to list your own LFG asking for a teacher. I think it only costs like 200 gems or something. Or maybe it was an exploit.

Not sure.

Yeh pretty sure it’s 200 Gems to buy the ’I’m being oppressed!’ megaphone in the gemstore that enables you to make one lfg listing per hour. Some people have been exploiting it by double clicking it in quick succession to make multiple lfg posts within the designated hour. Smh at this toxic community sometimes, just takes a few bad apples.

They should sell a Lupi RNG booster in the store that makes him screw off with his max swarm count roars in phase 1 and his 5-AoE-pileups on the phase2>3 transition.

Would be funny.

If they actually sold an item in the gem store that enabled dungeon play without the NPC, I’d buy it.

One time use only?!

http://i.imgur.com/fcvLu7q.gif

>:@

Would still buy T_T

dlonie.6547:

vespers.1759:

Oh I know people still run the dungeon, but dungeon sellers are far far more common than they used to be, and the vast majority of LFGs want experienced members that will melee lupicus. It is much harder to find a group willing to take a beginner.

I’ve heard that it’s possible to list your own LFG asking for a teacher. I think it only costs like 200 gems or something. Or maybe it was an exploit.

Not sure.

I always have to laugh when people attempt to insult me but end up looking like a potato because they haven’t actually read anything I’ve written. I am not whining about being a beginner and not finding parties I was merely expressing an opinion about the current state of Arah because the OP is a beginner and looking for help. Nowadays many people simply buy the path instead of actually doing it, because sellers are out of control in there.

TL:DR next time you try to be funny, you should probably make sure you actually read first. Peace.

Vespers… if you didn’t say one thing then contradict your post 5 posts down people wouldn’t troll you.

Lets start over

Arah exp is easy to find a group for. Agree?

Lilith Ajit.6173:

Vespers… if you didn’t say one thing then contradict your post 5 posts down people wouldn’t troll you.

Lets start over

Arah exp is easy to find a group for. Agree?

Where did I contradict myself?

vespers.1759:

Nowadays many people simply buy the path instead of actually doing it, because sellers are out of control in there.

TL:DR next time you try to be funny, you should probably make sure you actually read first. Peace.

How are sellers “out of control”? Because they exist? xD

You were whining about people buying paths and said it is hard for beginners to find a group.

My point is that it is not hard for beginners to find a group. All they have to do is put forth a modicum of effort and list their own LFG. Whether or not sellers exist, anyone who wants to run Arah can do so easily.

Your argument makes no sense, buddy.

PEACE YO

There is even a guild that dedicate its time to helping people [Noob], most of which used to be arah seller. Anyone who actually care enough to learn, will find everything he need. Those 4 adverts you see on LFG for 45 minutes trying to sell a path you can just ignore them.

vespers.1759:

Lilith Ajit.6173:

Vespers… if you didn’t say one thing then contradict your post 5 posts down people wouldn’t troll you.

Lets start over

Arah exp is easy to find a group for. Agree?

Where did I contradict myself?

Exhibit a:

Arah is now full of people that skip the bosses and then sell at the end. Even more sadly, there’s enough terrible players willing to pay 7-20g per path to support this.

Then:

I couldn’t care less about people selling paths… providing they are not skipping things like lupicus to do so.

You assert that arah is full of people who skip bosses (this is false). (Then you say MOST sellers are exploiting) (also false). You also assert that people buying them are people who can’t run them themselves (also false). Then you say you don’t mind sellers. Which is obviously untrue based on your first comment.

POINT IS. you wanna learn arah? Join [Noob]. Join [Ares]. Make your own LFGs. Go with Ivan. So many options.

vespers.1759:

dlonie.6547:

vespers.1759:

Oh I know people still run the dungeon, but dungeon sellers are far far more common than they used to be, and the vast majority of LFGs want experienced members that will melee lupicus. It is much harder to find a group willing to take a beginner.

I’ve heard that it’s possible to list your own LFG asking for a teacher. I think it only costs like 200 gems or something. Or maybe it was an exploit.

Not sure.

I always have to laugh when people attempt to insult me but end up looking like a potato because they haven’t actually read anything I’ve written. I am not whining about being a beginner and not finding parties I was merely expressing an opinion about the current state of Arah because the OP is a beginner and looking for help. Nowadays many people simply buy the path instead of actually doing it, because sellers are out of control in there.

TL:DR next time you try to be funny, you should probably make sure you actually read first. Peace.

It seems like when you open the LFG and only see the paths that are being sold, it’s because they’ve been up for 45+ minutes trying to find buyers. Those Px, 20g paths stick around a while on the lfg, while the “P2, exp” or “P2, melee Lupi” or “p1, first time, please halp” come and go really quick.

Selling paths can be the most time consuming thing. I’ve waited up to an hour before when I’ve sold P1 and I wasn’t even asking for a high price. There’s also the risk of getting your instance destroyed from jerks lately that is leading people to take fillers and proxies again which slows down the selling even more. Pug groups fill up fast, that’s why you always see the selling groups on the lfg more than the pugs.

Lilith Ajit.6173:

vespers.1759:

Lilith Ajit.6173:

Vespers… if you didn’t say one thing then contradict your post 5 posts down people wouldn’t troll you.

Lets start over

Arah exp is easy to find a group for. Agree?

Where did I contradict myself?

Exhibit a:

Arah is now full of people that skip the bosses and then sell at the end. Even more sadly, there’s enough terrible players willing to pay 7-20g per path to support this.

Then:

I couldn’t care less about people selling paths… providing they are not skipping things like lupicus to do so.

You assert that arah is full of people who skip bosses (this is false). (Then you say MOST sellers are exploiting) (also false). You also assert that people buying them are people who can’t run them themselves (also false). Then you say you don’t mind sellers. Which is obviously untrue based on your first comment.

POINT IS. you wanna learn arah? Join [Noob]. Join [Ares]. Make your own LFGs. Go with Ivan. So many options.

After seeing this I’m not sure you know how to read…

I never said the word “MOST” (you put that in caps for some reason even though I never said “MOST” in any of the quotes you pulled).

I specifically said I have a problem with people exploiting and selling paths, but not the ones that do it legitimately. Unfortunately, there are still lots of people that are exploiting it.

Based on the people I have talked to ingame, the majority of them are buying because they can’t/won’t run the dungeon and simply want the tokens and title. I said I’m sure some people do it to level faster, but based on my experiences, they are the minority.

It must be nice to spend 7g to get a level when you could do Cof p1 in 8 minutes and get paid to do so. it makes very little sense to buy dungeon paths for that much unless you have gold to throw away.

vespers.1759:

[…]

Based on the people I have talked to ingame, the majority of them are buying because they can’t/won’t run the dungeon and simply want the tokens and title. I said I’m sure some people do it to level faster, but based on my experiences, they are the minority.

[…]

And that is the important bit. “Based on people I have talked to ingame”.
Apparently Lilith and you simply talk to different people.
I talk to different people too. In my social circle buying for xp and buying for tokens happens about equally often. If those people buy at all.

It simply depends on who you talk to.

As a side note, questioning someones ability to read if they disagree with you is bad form. Just fyi.

And true, you didn’t say “most”. Just “a lot”. But your entire commentary implies that you believe that legit sellers are in the minority. If you do not, than that was a misunderstanding. Something I fell for too, btw. Still, nothing to insult someone over.

That aside, yes, you will see more path sellers in arah then in most other dungeons. But there are regular sellers for AC or CM around for example as well.
And at least on EU servers the “apparent” amount of sold paths has increased compared to a few months ago.
Why? Because more people learned how to solo/duo/whatever and try to sell their paths. More experience among the players.
Another reason: The people you refer to who buy for the dm for example will buy only once and thus those interested in that are reduced to the influx of new players who want to buy. Same for the tokens. With the wardrobe you only need each skin once. Then it is unlocked. no reason to buy the skin multiple times like before the wardrobe. Again only new players or people who have a newfound interest in the skins will buy for those reasons.
So the demand might be reduced while the number of possible sellers went up.

The other reason why path sellers seem so dominant has already been stated. Normal groups fill up much faster, sometimes even faster than the automatic update function of the lfg tool will display them for you. So you will never see them.
And not all of them are for experienced players only.

As for Ivan’s Arah tours. They are popular because
a) He advertised them here.
b) Every single person that went on one of those came back with positive feedback about his teaching skills and how much fun the tour was.

vespers.1759:

Lilith Ajit.6173:

vespers.1759:

Lilith Ajit.6173:

Vespers… if you didn’t say one thing then contradict your post 5 posts down people wouldn’t troll you.

Lets start over

Arah exp is easy to find a group for. Agree?

Where did I contradict myself?

Exhibit a:

Arah is now full of people that skip the bosses and then sell at the end. Even more sadly, there’s enough terrible players willing to pay 7-20g per path to support this.

Then:

I couldn’t care less about people selling paths… providing they are not skipping things like lupicus to do so.

You assert that arah is full of people who skip bosses (this is false). (Then you say MOST sellers are exploiting) (also false). You also assert that people buying them are people who can’t run them themselves (also false). Then you say you don’t mind sellers. Which is obviously untrue based on your first comment.

POINT IS. you wanna learn arah? Join [Noob]. Join [Ares]. Make your own LFGs. Go with Ivan. So many options.

After seeing this I’m not sure you know how to read…

I never said the word “MOST” (you put that in caps for some reason even though I never said “MOST” in any of the quotes you pulled).

I specifically said I have a problem with people exploiting and selling paths, but not the ones that do it legitimately. Unfortunately, there are still lots of people that are exploiting it.

Based on the people I have talked to ingame, the majority of them are buying because they can’t/won’t run the dungeon and simply want the tokens and title. I said I’m sure some people do it to level faster, but based on my experiences, they are the minority.

It must be nice to spend 7g to get a level when you could do Cof p1 in 8 minutes and get paid to do so. it makes very little sense to buy dungeon paths for that much unless you have gold to throw away.

Sometimes, I have a lvl 40, 50, 60 toon that I really don’t want to spend the time leveling, and I don’t like to switch toons in pugs @ last boss, so I’ll buy runs. Doesn’t happen all the time (rarely in fact), but I’m allowed to pay gold to be lazy too

IvanTheGrey.2941:

vespers.1759:

Lilith Ajit.6173:

vespers.1759:

Lilith Ajit.6173:

Vespers… if you didn’t say one thing then contradict your post 5 posts down people wouldn’t troll you.

Lets start over

Arah exp is easy to find a group for. Agree?

Where did I contradict myself?

Exhibit a:

Arah is now full of people that skip the bosses and then sell at the end. Even more sadly, there’s enough terrible players willing to pay 7-20g per path to support this.

Then:

I couldn’t care less about people selling paths… providing they are not skipping things like lupicus to do so.

You assert that arah is full of people who skip bosses (this is false). (Then you say MOST sellers are exploiting) (also false). You also assert that people buying them are people who can’t run them themselves (also false). Then you say you don’t mind sellers. Which is obviously untrue based on your first comment.

POINT IS. you wanna learn arah? Join [Noob]. Join [Ares]. Make your own LFGs. Go with Ivan. So many options.

After seeing this I’m not sure you know how to read…

I never said the word “MOST” (you put that in caps for some reason even though I never said “MOST” in any of the quotes you pulled).

I specifically said I have a problem with people exploiting and selling paths, but not the ones that do it legitimately. Unfortunately, there are still lots of people that are exploiting it.

Based on the people I have talked to ingame, the majority of them are buying because they can’t/won’t run the dungeon and simply want the tokens and title. I said I’m sure some people do it to level faster, but based on my experiences, they are the minority.

It must be nice to spend 7g to get a level when you could do Cof p1 in 8 minutes and get paid to do so. it makes very little sense to buy dungeon paths for that much unless you have gold to throw away.

Sometimes, I have a lvl 40, 50, 60 toon that I really don’t want to spend the time leveling, and I don’t like to switch toons in pugs @ last boss, so I’ll buy runs. Doesn’t happen all the time (rarely in fact), but I’m allowed to pay gold to be lazy too

I buy dungeons for levels, I buy keys for chances for tomes, I craft level, and if I’m going to explore I use A MILLION exp boosts.

Craft leveling has become too expensive to be feasible anymore IMO. I only craft level like 2-3 of the professions which get me 21 levels. I struggle all those other levels since most of the time I spend it either doing personal story or eotm for exp. I don’t buy paths on NA for exp since the only paths really being sold are Arah and I don’t feel like running a char down there.

Silberfisch.3046:

vespers.1759:

[…]

Based on the people I have talked to ingame, the majority of them are buying because they can’t/won’t run the dungeon and simply want the tokens and title. I said I’m sure some people do it to level faster, but based on my experiences, they are the minority.

[…]

As a side note, questioning someones ability to read if they disagree with you is bad form. Just fyi.

And true, you didn’t say “most”. Just “a lot”. But your entire commentary implies that you believe that legit sellers are in the minority. If you do not, than that was a misunderstanding. Something I fell for too, btw. Still, nothing to insult someone over.

I’ll give you that. It was a rude comment. I just don’t appreciate people putting words in my mouth.

JasmineLong.6514:

Craft leveling has become too expensive to be feasible anymore IMO. I only craft level like 2-3 of the professions which get me 21 levels. I struggle all those other levels since most of the time I spend it either doing personal story or eotm for exp. I don’t buy paths on NA for exp since the only paths really being sold are Arah and I don’t feel like running a char down there.

I used the twisted portals.

I know of a way to get there without the twisted portals but it’s not something to put out

JasmineLong.6514:

Selling paths can be the most time consuming thing. I’ve waited up to an hour before when I’ve sold P1 and I wasn’t even asking for a high price. There’s also the risk of getting your instance destroyed from jerks lately that is leading people to take fillers and proxies again which slows down the selling even more. Pug groups fill up fast, that’s why you always see the selling groups on the lfg more than the pugs.

Selling P1 used to be something I’d do so, so often. For months I’d be able to sell it at any time of the day at 7g each with no competition. It was genuinely way faster gold/hour than duoing P4 was. Even people that exploited P4 (skipped and/or bugged bosses) to sell were still making noticeably slower gold/hour.

It was close to around when the waypoint for tar got fixed that P1 quickly became terrible to sell.

Purple Miku.7032:

JasmineLong.6514:

Selling paths can be the most time consuming thing. I’ve waited up to an hour before when I’ve sold P1 and I wasn’t even asking for a high price. There’s also the risk of getting your instance destroyed from jerks lately that is leading people to take fillers and proxies again which slows down the selling even more. Pug groups fill up fast, that’s why you always see the selling groups on the lfg more than the pugs.

Selling P1 used to be something I’d do so, so often. For months I’d be able to sell it at any time of the day at 7g each with no competition. It was genuinely way faster gold/hour than duoing P4 was. Even people that exploited P4 (skipped and/or bugged bosses) to sell were still making noticeably slower gold/hour.

It was close to around when the waypoint for tar got fixed that P1 quickly became terrible to sell.

It started getting bad for me about two weeks ago. There seems to be an influx of griefers that have started to mess up groups again. Now I just do p1 to relax and give to guildies/friends most of the time.

JasmineLong.6514:

It started getting bad for me about two weeks ago. There seems to be an influx of griefers that have started to mess up groups again. Now I just do p1 to relax and give to guildies/friends most of the time.

Well, yeah. You’re kind of asking for it if you sell without placeholders… it’s like a bullseye target. In my opinion the only people that deserve it to happen are the people that bug bosses/skip bosses, but griefers are sometimes too much of cro-magnons to bother checking if the person selling is legit.

In any case, if you aren’t willing to put forth the effort into protecting your instance, shouldn’t complain about losing it (not that you are, just generally speaking). That’s what I mean to say.

I’ve been kicked before while trying to sell back when I was relatively new to it. Once it happened the second time, I never attempted to sell without placeholders since. It’s just not worth it, should always ask for help in that area!

I’ve also been kicked before buying tar help before a few times, long ago. People can be pretty idiotic… lol.

Even a year ago this stuff was happening :P

Purple Miku.7032:

JasmineLong.6514:

It started getting bad for me about two weeks ago. There seems to be an influx of griefers that have started to mess up groups again. Now I just do p1 to relax and give to guildies/friends most of the time.

Well, yeah. You’re kind of asking for it if you sell without placeholders… it’s like a bullseye target. In my opinion the only people that deserve it to happen are the people that bug bosses/skip bosses, but griefers are sometimes too much of cro-magnons to bother checking if the person selling is legit.

In any case, if you aren’t willing to put forth the effort into protecting your instance, shouldn’t complain about losing it (not that you are, just generally speaking). That’s what I mean to say.

I’ve been kicked before while trying to sell back when I was relatively new to it. Once it happened the second time, I never attempted to sell without placeholders since. It’s just not worth it, should always ask for help in that area!

I’ve also been kicked before buying tar help before a few times, long ago. People can be pretty idiotic… lol.

Even a year ago this stuff was happening :P

Yeah I tend to not sell most of the time w/o having placeholders first but it just feels like I’m wasting my guildies/friends time having them hold a spot. There’s been people in the guild that have sold with just two placeholders before and 2 “cro-magnons” join at the same time and kick everyone, that’s just annoying and disrespectful but I believe they will all get what they deserve eventually

That’s why it’s typically nice to ask “if you aren’t doing anything mind placeholding?” or something like that instead of just inviting them and assuming they’ll say yes. Worst case scenario they can tell you they want/need to go and you can look for a replacement :P

I typically ask friends that I see are in DR/LA/Hoelbrak/Rata Sum only, as there’s a high chance they’re just standing around. Because I wouldn’t mind if somebody asked me nicely to placehold for them, I do the same. I know people that just spam-invite guildies for it but meh… I feel like that would be a little irritating.

No I always ask before anything, it just feels like I’m wasting their time anyways. I don’t mind place holding for people.