Guild Wars 2

I for one, and as one of many, many people, would still love to see the planned
fractal of the Fall of Abaddon.
At time it was put to vote, do we want a fractal about something with no lore,
like the thaumanova facility, so that lore had to be made up on the spot. Or did
we want one of the most important aspects of the human and tyrian history as
a fractal?

Now the thaumanova has come to pass, and a lot of time has passed since. Quite
a while later, the question about Abaddon’s Fall was brought up again, but dismissed
because they didn’t want to invalidate the initial vote. But it’s been like three years or so now, if you make the fractal now, it won’t invalidate the vote. We’ve had the
thaumanova facility all this time, so the value of the vote has been more paid out.
Instead, I honestly believe that a majority of the people who voted thaumanova then,
would have voted Abaddon now.

WP said something to this element;
“I didn’t vote for the Fall of Abaddon because at the time, I had no faith in the
fractal team to do the lore justice. But now, with the current quality of fractals,
I would more than love to welcome the Fall of Abaddon”

So, I bring this up again, because I want anet’s current opinion on the matter.
Since a lot of time has passed since they said they didn’t want to invalidate
the original vote, and that argument is no longer valid, what reasons would anet
still have to not make the Fall of Abaddon fractal.

On a secondary note, I personally would love it as a raid now, though, as I believe only such difficulty would do Abaddon justice, but a fractal is nice, too. And I am
considerate of the average player to not get into raids.

aye ^^ i never played gw1 so id like to see how the fight could be done against the destroyer whith the help of kormir before she absorbed his power and turned into the god of truth.

zealex.9410:

aye ^^ i never played gw1 so id like to see how the fight could be done against the destroyer whith the help of kormir before she absorbed his power and turned into the god of truth.

just to be sure, you know abaddon isn’t a destroyer, right? the god of water and secrets, and later, the god of madness. and his fall isn’t the one as in GW1, but way.. waaaay long before that

Amaimon.7823:

zealex.9410:

aye ^^ i never played gw1 so id like to see how the fight could be done against the destroyer whith the help of kormir before she absorbed his power and turned into the god of truth.

just to be sure, you know abaddon isn’t a destroyer, right? the god of water and secrets, and later, the god of madness. and his fall isn’t the one as in GW1, but way.. waaaay long before that

that about the fall i didnt know but abaddon in latin means “destroyer”

zealex.9410:

Amaimon.7823:

zealex.9410:

aye ^^ i never played gw1 so id like to see how the fight could be done against the destroyer whith the help of kormir before she absorbed his power and turned into the god of truth.

just to be sure, you know abaddon isn’t a destroyer, right? the god of water and secrets, and later, the god of madness. and his fall isn’t the one as in GW1, but way.. waaaay long before that

that about the fall i didnt know but abaddon in latin means “destroyer”

ah okay, just to be sure, that was. Since destroyer is also a type of enemy, seedlings of Primordus.

Abaddon was one of the initial 6 gods, whose existence has had a massive impact on the world, and even though he’s gone now, many things are still influenced by his designs. essentially, free magic, unlocked bloodstones, the plague, the sinking of orr, the brandishing of ascalon, the desolation of Elona, and many things more, are the direct or indirect result of of Abaddon going nuts. at some point, he went to war with his brethren, he was stronger than a single other god, but an unknown number of them managed to defeat him, after which they flung him into to foundry of failed creations. from there on he caused all kinds of events that led to GW1.
and the point in case being, there was a poll a while back where we could choose between two fractals, and one of them was the fight between Abaddon and his brethren, his initial fall.

Later, indeed, his broken body is completely destroyed and Kormir takes his essence

Amaimon.7823:

zealex.9410:

Amaimon.7823:

zealex.9410:

aye ^^ i never played gw1 so id like to see how the fight could be done against the destroyer whith the help of kormir before she absorbed his power and turned into the god of truth.

just to be sure, you know abaddon isn’t a destroyer, right? the god of water and secrets, and later, the god of madness. and his fall isn’t the one as in GW1, but way.. waaaay long before that

that about the fall i didnt know but abaddon in latin means “destroyer”

ah okay, just to be sure, that was. Since destroyer is also a type of enemy, seedlings of Primordus.

Abaddon was one of the initial 6 gods, whose existence has had a massive impact on the world, and even though he’s gone now, many things are still influenced by his designs. essentially, free magic, unlocked bloodstones, the plague, the sinking of orr, the brandishing of ascalon, the desolation of Elona, and many things more, are the direct or indirect result of of Abaddon going nuts. at some point, he went to war with his brethren, he was stronger than a single other god, but an unknown number of them managed to defeat him, after which they flung him into to foundry of failed creations. from there on he caused all kinds of events that led to GW1.
and the point in case being, there was a poll a while back where we could choose between two fractals, and one of them was the fight between Abaddon and his brethren, his initial fall.

Later, indeed, his broken body is completely destroyed and Kormir takes his essence

so in the fractal it would have us maybe assisting the gods bringing down abaddon? this sounds like too big of a project for a simple release maybe it will be the finale fractal for the arkk story no?

zealex.9410:

Amaimon.7823:

zealex.9410:

Amaimon.7823:

zealex.9410:

aye ^^ i never played gw1 so id like to see how the fight could be done against the destroyer whith the help of kormir before she absorbed his power and turned into the god of truth.

just to be sure, you know abaddon isn’t a destroyer, right? the god of water and secrets, and later, the god of madness. and his fall isn’t the one as in GW1, but way.. waaaay long before that

that about the fall i didnt know but abaddon in latin means “destroyer”

ah okay, just to be sure, that was. Since destroyer is also a type of enemy, seedlings of Primordus.

Abaddon was one of the initial 6 gods, whose existence has had a massive impact on the world, and even though he’s gone now, many things are still influenced by his designs. essentially, free magic, unlocked bloodstones, the plague, the sinking of orr, the brandishing of ascalon, the desolation of Elona, and many things more, are the direct or indirect result of of Abaddon going nuts. at some point, he went to war with his brethren, he was stronger than a single other god, but an unknown number of them managed to defeat him, after which they flung him into to foundry of failed creations. from there on he caused all kinds of events that led to GW1.
and the point in case being, there was a poll a while back where we could choose between two fractals, and one of them was the fight between Abaddon and his brethren, his initial fall.

Later, indeed, his broken body is completely destroyed and Kormir takes his essence

so in the fractal it would have us maybe assisting the gods bringing down abaddon? this sounds like too big of a project for a simple release maybe it will be the finale fractal for the arkk story no?

yea, it’s supposed to be a big thing, and true, at the time many people voted against abaddon not because they wanted the thaumanova, but because they didn’t have faith in anet making a proper fractal for abaddon. he’s like the big star of the entire gw1 story (I really recommend you play it, though).
But I wonder though, I don’t see how the Arkk story could intertwine with this fractal without having to sacrifice a lot of the story on either side

Amaimon.7823:

yea, it’s supposed to be a big thing, and true, at the time many people voted against abaddon not because they wanted the thaumanova, but because they didn’t have faith in anet making a proper fractal for abaddon.

Well, to be truthful, the vote wasn’t about Thaumanova and Abaddon fractals. It was about Kiel vs Evon. And many people voted Kiel, just because she was a human female, while Evon was male, charr, and a bad, bad capitalist to boot.

At the time, I was adamant that ANet stick to the vote — if they were always going to do both, what was the point of asking us to choose?

(And for the record: I voted for the Thaumanova fractal precisely because we knew nothing about it and knew something about Abaddon’s fall. It remains among my favorite fractals in terms of story and setup, even if it’s still longer than I’d like.)

That said, it’s been ages. Enough time has passed that I think it hardly matters what the community decided years ago.

(I’d still rather have fractals about stuff of which we know nothing, rather than revisit things we already have heard about. That, however, is a different question altogether.)

Even better, I would love to see ANet offering us a choice of 2-3 fractals and letting us choose which comes out first. Don’t force us to choose one or the other; let’s keep the choice to the order of release.

Illconceived Was Na.9781:

(And for the record: I voted for the Thaumanova fractal precisely because we knew nothing about it and knew something about Abaddon’s fall. It remains among my favorite fractals in terms of story and setup, even if it’s still longer than I’d like.)

Even though i voted for Abaddon’s Fall, when i heard that Taumanova won i wasn’t really disappointed, because i also was interested in that event. I stopped being interested as soon as i have entered it and saw Scarlet (who i still think of as the greatest narrative fail in the game). I’m now glad that it wasn’t Abbadon’s fractal that won – i don’t think i could have survived seeing this historical event tied to Scarlet somehow.

Astralporing.1957:

Illconceived Was Na.9781:

(And for the record: I voted for the Thaumanova fractal precisely because we knew nothing about it and knew something about Abaddon’s fall. It remains among my favorite fractals in terms of story and setup, even if it’s still longer than I’d like.)

Even though i voted for Abaddon’s Fall, when i heard that Taumanova won i wasn’t really disappointed, because i also was interested in that event. I stopped being interested as soon as i have entered it and saw Scarlet (who i still think of as the greatest narrative fail in the game). I’m now glad that it wasn’t Abbadon’s fractal that won – i don’t think i could have survived seeing this historical event tied to Scarlet somehow.

i preffer it ited to the new fractal lore so far it goes well and i think they could easily add a harbinger there

Amaimon.7823:

Now the thaumanova has come to pass, and a lot of time has passed since. Quite
a while later, the question about Abaddon’s Fall was brought up again, but dismissed
because they didn’t want to invalidate the initial vote. But it’s been like three years or so now, if you make the fractal now, it won’t invalidate the vote. We’ve had the
thaumanova facility all this time, so the value of the vote has been more paid out.
Instead, I honestly believe that a majority of the people who voted thaumanova then,
would have voted Abaddon now.

I find this particularly crazy since everything ELSE has been invalidated over time. The waypoint fee reduction wore off after a month. Kiel’s position on the Captain’s Council? Well, Evon is apparently on the Council now too, so all we did is delay how long it took until BOTH were on the council.

Might as well add the Abaddon fractal as well, particularly since they said they had some really good ideas for it. It’s a crying shame to decide to never put those ideas into practice because of a vote where a lot of people were voting for story or roleplaying reasons and accepting that this meant that they were also voting against the fractal they’d have preferred to see. (And that goes both ways, but broadly speaking, I think there were more people who voted for Kiel for story reasons, despite the fact that they’d have preferred to see the Abaddon fractal, then people voting Evon for story reasons despite preferring to see the Thaumanova fractal.)

zealex.9410:

so in the fractal it would have us maybe assisting the gods bringing down abaddon? this sounds like too big of a project for a simple release maybe it will be the finale fractal for the arkk story no?

Know what I would have loved to have seen?

We play the fractal AS the gods. Five to a party, five gods…

Depending on how ambitious they want to be, this could involve skill bar changes. So Balthazar could have the skills from the Avatar of Balthazar in the Ghost Rite instance, while Melandru could have souped-up Avatar of Melandru skills. Other gods could have skills suited to their themes (so Grenth could be something like a souped-up Reaper or Lich Form, Lyssa could be a superpowered Mesmer, and Dwayna could be a mix of air elementalist and healer).

A somewhat less ambitious version could simply have each player have an effect linked to their god. So the one that’s “Balthazar” periodically sets nearby enemies on fire and so on. Differences in actual skills used could be explained as being similar to how you don’t use skills known to the Flame Legion in the Urban Battlefield fractal.

draxynnic.3719:

Amaimon.7823:

Now the thaumanova has come to pass, and a lot of time has passed since. Quite
a while later, the question about Abaddon’s Fall was brought up again, but dismissed
because they didn’t want to invalidate the initial vote. But it’s been like three years or so now, if you make the fractal now, it won’t invalidate the vote. We’ve had the
thaumanova facility all this time, so the value of the vote has been more paid out.
Instead, I honestly believe that a majority of the people who voted thaumanova then,
would have voted Abaddon now.

I find this particularly crazy since everything ELSE has been invalidated over time. The waypoint fee reduction wore off after a month. Kiel’s position on the Captain’s Council? Well, Evon is apparently on the Council now too, so all we did is delay how long it took until BOTH were on the council.

Might as well add the Abaddon fractal as well, particularly since they said they had some really good ideas for it. It’s a crying shame to decide to never put those ideas into practice because of a vote where a lot of people were voting for story or roleplaying reasons and accepting that this meant that they were also voting against the fractal they’d have preferred to see. (And that goes both ways, but broadly speaking, I think there were more people who voted for Kiel for story reasons, despite the fact that they’d have preferred to see the Abaddon fractal, then people voting Evon for story reasons despite preferring to see the Thaumanova fractal.)

zealex.9410:

so in the fractal it would have us maybe assisting the gods bringing down abaddon? this sounds like too big of a project for a simple release maybe it will be the finale fractal for the arkk story no?

Know what I would have loved to have seen?

We play the fractal AS the gods. Five to a party, five gods…

Depending on how ambitious they want to be, this could involve skill bar changes. So Balthazar could have the skills from the Avatar of Balthazar in the Ghost Rite instance, while Melandru could have souped-up Avatar of Melandru skills. Other gods could have skills suited to their themes (so Grenth could be something like a souped-up Reaper or Lich Form, Lyssa could be a superpowered Mesmer, and Dwayna could be a mix of air elementalist and healer).

A somewhat less ambitious version could simply have each player have an effect linked to their god. So the one that’s “Balthazar” periodically sets nearby enemies on fire and so on. Differences in actual skills used could be explained as being similar to how you don’t use skills known to the Flame Legion in the Urban Battlefield fractal.

it would be more like the gods stoping mobs that come to kill you while giving you buffs and at like 30% phase they drop seals on the ground and depending on which you step on you become that god’s championgetting buffs to healing boond conditions dmg etc
to finish off abaddon who goes berserk at 30%

Astralporing.1957:

Illconceived Was Na.9781:

(And for the record: I voted for the Thaumanova fractal precisely because we knew nothing about it and knew something about Abaddon’s fall. It remains among my favorite fractals in terms of story and setup, even if it’s still longer than I’d like.)

Even though i voted for Abaddon’s Fall, when i heard that Taumanova won i wasn’t really disappointed, because i also was interested in that event. I stopped being interested as soon as i have entered it and saw Scarlet (who i still think of as the greatest narrative fail in the game). I’m now glad that it wasn’t Abbadon’s fractal that won – i don’t think i could have survived seeing this historical event tied to Scarlet somehow.

the only thing that saddened me about it, was the fact that I had already pieced together a short story in my head based on dialogue, and propable racial interactions. A story which got shot down the drain sadly

I think it would be a fantastic idea to implement this fractal, one for lore and two because it’s a quality and ready medium that Anet can use in a new fractal instead of drumming up something completely original from scratch.

This fractal would have failed so hard if it was released back then, but now? Fractal team has shown it is more than capable of doing justice to one of the most influential characters in all of GW. I wish it was part of its own thing though and not the ending to Arrk’s storyline (unless his story extends to much more than just 3 fractals).

They could actually pull this off in a long series that would ultimately tie into where the gods came from and what brought them to Tyria, as well as what caused Abbadon to decide “giving out” magic to the world (they could even come out with the “Elder” gods that were never explicitly mentioned like Arachni). The last raid storyline and the following salt from forum loreheads about it being so much better than the rest of lore goes a long way in showing that the best thing Anet can do to enrich storytelling is to close the loops that were left back then during the times of GW1.

I generally don’t pay attention to lore, but without it there is no atmosphere or draw. I would love to see some more lore heavy (gw1) content.

maxwelgm.4315:

This fractal would have failed so hard if it was released back then, but now? Fractal team has shown it is more than capable of doing justice to one of the most influential characters in all of GW. I wish it was part of its own thing though and not the ending to Arrk’s storyline (unless his story extends to much more than just 3 fractals).

They could actually pull this off in a long series that would ultimately tie into where the gods came from and what brought them to Tyria, as well as what caused Abbadon to decide “giving out” magic to the world (they could even come out with the “Elder” gods that were never explicitly mentioned like Arachni). The last raid storyline and the following salt from forum loreheads about it being so much better than the rest of lore goes a long way in showing that the best thing Anet can do to enrich storytelling is to close the loops that were left back then during the times of GW1.

Exactly my thoughts, back then, me and many others, didn’t think abaddon would’ve been done justice, but with the current team I am more than .. how do you see that in english? trusting of their skills.. you know what I mean