Guild Wars 2

After 3 years from that first teaser trailer, I started to get excited as I was leveling about finally facing Zhaitan. The Elder Dragon made out of Dragons. The suspense was killing me. Stories of how he’s made out of hundreds of dragons and how his body stands above the clouds. And then I see him. Compared to his concept art, he’s as big as his Concept Art Head was. In his art He stands towering over the Arah towers. In the game he holds an Arah tower while watching himself die.

after the tail cut, he should’ve landed on the ship so I can whoop hiskitten br /> spamming 22222222222222 huh, left a bad taste in mouth

I get the feeling the Zhaitan fight is bugged too.

When the music originally stopped, I was at first disappointed considering everything was epic leading up to it. Maye they intended a fight with powerful ambiance?

But when the lasers hit Zhaitan and there was NO sound effects.. That’s when I knew something was wrong.

There’s also the fact while sometimes he had the health bar when I did the mission, and other times didn’t. So that seems broken too.

And I know Zhaitan is supposedly weakened without the stomach, but REALLY? Couldn’t he have done something besides summoning minions? The ONLY attack he used were those black-circle AoE things.

Honestly, at first I thought the Zhaitan fight was broken. Especially since at one point, when I first did the mission, I was able to jump off the airship and “swim” in midair…

On a related note, was it EVER explained WHY Zhaitan needed other entities like The Stomach to feed him? And did he really only have two stomachs? (One in personal story, one was Arah story mode boss?) What exactly were the mechanics of how Zhaitan works? All we know is that the Abominations were created by Risen Surgeons as opposed to being directly created by Zhaitan himself.

The game had no ending… just sayin…

There was no walking away in a group with the main character NPC’s as a narrator gives a speech and the credits begin rolling

For all you know, Zhaitan isn’t even dead, and we might just get to fight the other elder dragons with Jormag’s claw being an event at frostgorge sound

Tigger.8035:

The game had no ending… just sayin…

There was no walking away in a group with the main character NPC’s as a narrator gives a speech and the credits begin rolling

For all you know, Zhaitan isn’t even dead, and we might just get to fight the other elder dragons with Jormag’s claw being an event at frostgorge sound

hmmm yes there is ( minus the credit ) did you miss the whole movies where you characters walks in the middle of destiny’s edge’s group and the fireworks and all that?

Mexay.4521:

I don’t understand what people expected?

How else do we fight him? He’s massive.

GW2 is supposed to make sense, unlike say… WoW or hell, even GW1

No, no no no, hold your horses bro, Let’s review that fight with Zhaitan, seen he appears on the scene.

So, he appear on the scene, one of the most badkitten Dragons, a ELDER Dragon appears, AND no Epic music plays when he show for the first time in the scene. Then at some moment while you are been attack by his minions, and help Zojja get the Super huge cannon to build up power and shoot Zhaitan, he strike for a second time the ship, leaving us believing that this Dragon is so badkitten that he can torn this Ship into pieces by just ramming to it, then he get stunned by some laser cannons with NO sound effect in the scene follow by NO epic music, then you fight more minions, including the last Eyes of Zhaitan, so that when you are done with them, you get to shoot down HIM hugging akittenbuilding instead of flying around evading and with rage because you just make a critical hit on his tail and got stunned. So tell me, how is it that you sum up around 3 to 5 min on just shooting a cannon you can’t aim PROPERLY , that shoot spread bullets at a NONE-MOBILE enemy or better, a Badkitten enemy Like Zhaitan. That was disappointing, No ending cinematic, or drawing cinematic, they not even landed the airship, and went to Zhaitan to check if he was still alive or dead(Here a final phase could have happen). Things went down poorly on this Fight.

Man before that fight, you fight 2 lieutenant Dragon minios of Zhaitan, while you get annoy by Minions boarding the ship, while also trying to kill does huge flying dragons. Did I mention that 2 dragons were in the scene? and the sky full of more Dragons and Airship battling? Now that’s the sense of epic at the edge of your seat.

I attempted Zhaitan for the second time, mostly because to catch up with my Story Quest but to see what has changed since last night’s patch.

This time around, I decided to be a little bit more observant with the fight and checking out other things besides spamming 2 on the cannon. Here things I have noticed:

• Music is dead during the Cannon phase. Where’s the awesome orchestral awesomeness of Jeremy Soule’s musical talent in this battle? Like a pro wrestler’s theme playing as one walks into the square-circle, there should be some kind of heavy dramatic tune as one encounters and battles Zhaitan. Zhaitan is a Big-kitten-Dragon (which I’ll refer to as BAD through the rest of the post). He should have some badkitten music playing in the background.

• Surrounding NPCs on the airship don’t appear to be doing anything. Suggestion: I don’t know about you but if I see a BAD nearby, I would definitely do something about it. As members of the Pact, they should at least try shooting it with something or repairing parts of the airship.

• Zhaitan spits out poisonous blobs, but the damage is very pitiful and can be ignored. Suggestion: As a BAD, I think it would be better if his acid spits do moderate damage to both the player and the cannon. If a cannon becomes destroyed, then the player activate another skill on slot 4 called: “Cannon Down!” Shout. Call out for the assistance of a nearby Pact engineer to repair the airship’s cannon.

• Almost no resistance overall. Suggestion: A small pack of adds should spawn whenever one of the cannons becomes disabled. They should be easy for one player and a few Pact NPCs to take on while the other four players continue using their cannons. Likewise, these adds should be fended off from the engineer that’s repairing the cannon. Considering Asuran technology, it might be possible that an obliterated cannon would only take 30~60 seconds to repair.

• Other suggestions: At lower HP, Zhaitan should do something desperate, like summon a lesser champion dragon. Zhaitan would be temporarily immune, and to break that barrier, the champion dragon must be killed. They would appear on the other side of the ship and can be defeated using the cannons on the other side of the ship. Oddly enough, the cannons on the other side of the ship are usable, but currently do not serve any purpose.

I believe he is supposed to summon tonnes of adds, but currently fails to do so. (green-black circles on the ground are used throughout to summon creatures)

Just completed it and man was it a fizzle ;/ For one he is small, yes I know there are scale issues, hard to guess, nothing really around to compare – BUT you can approximate it from the speed of his motions (same as the other small dragons), and from how fast the guns hit him, he is not THAT far away, therefore he is small. Maybe 1.5, 2x bigger than the lieutenant dragons. Compared to what he was supposed to be, looking at the concept art, he is an ant. I was expecting him to be half as big as Orr at least. I doubt he could rise a ship from the bottom, not to mention a whole continent.

Then the fight itself. Man was it unpolished. Cutscenes popping up randomly in middle of combat, millions of adds spawning, pushing us back to the spawnpoint. After many deaths and adds finally killed, we find the Elder Dragon sitting there on the spire, small as he is, waiting for us to kill him. How? By standing still and pressing ‘2’ for 2 minutes! He did nothing, had no attacks, did 0 damage, was less dangerous than a risen chicken. I knew they are the real threat in Orr :P

I noticed a distinctive lack of dramatic music, or sound effects for that matter, in cutscenes, mostly Zheitan making some noises, that’s it. If there was epic music, it may have at least mitigated some of the disappointment.

You have to rethink and remake this entire ending. You can still do it, resize Zheitan, make him crush some Mountains, Make the ship fly around his head, like if he was King Kong. Add other ships – seriously, are we the only ship attacking him? Show us how he crushes some other ships, let us loose some friends on those other ships to add drama. Make the guns more interesting, give us time to actually use them instead of getting swarmed by 100 adds. Make us aim more actively with the guns, not just spam 1 and 2. The dragons could dodge. Make Zheitan a real threat, sure he is weakened, that does not mean he’s a pushover now, before he was unstoppable, now we weakened them throughout the story, but he still should be almost impossible to kill.

I agree with practically all of the sentiments in this thread. I do think that Zhaitan is very unfinished. Whether or not it’s unfinished in the sense that ArenaNet had no time before launch to make it good and instead made an uninspired excuse for a fight, or whether it is unfinished in the sense that ArenaNet will be fixing it, I do not know.

The rest of the dungeon (and game) is mostly great too. Not sure how they could polish a dungeon then just decide to drop the ball entirely on the final boss.

And yeah, I did notice that they had two custscenes one after the other, leading me to believe that a phase of the fight was skipped somehow. I also, upon reviewing video footage, noticed that Zhaitan does appear to do attack animations. Just no attacks.

As an aside, only on my second run, I noticed that Zhaitan did spawn an add this time! It looked like one of the tentacles in its mouth, but it only spawned as we killed Zhaitan and it did no attacks whatsoever. I find it hard to believe that ArenaNet would go to the trouble of making a unique mob, only to have it not attack and serve no purpose. So, here’s hoping they’ll fix it soon, and that it’ll be as epic as we all hoped it’d be.

Finished this today, gotta agree that it was very disappointing and the weakest part of an otherwise cool dungeon.

After you kill those Eyes of Zhaitan there is literally NO more resistance. You just sit on a cannon and spam the button until he’s dead. That’s not right. Something is wrong there. Zhaitan should rip players off the turrets at random, or summon a bunch of adds that have to be dealt with, or put down a bunch of AoE or something at least. He just sits there like a frightened Koala Bear clinging to that ruined pillar for his life. Of any of the story mode dungeons, this one is the one that should be hard.

I want to be dodging around like a maniac avoiding fire, dealing with mobs, firing the cannons, and screaming like an idiot into my microphone. I did none of that. I want to die and have to try again, I want to have to learn the fight. You guys made a big mistake on not including more of your higher level content in the public betas. It clearly needs testing. Not just this dungeon, but most of the Cursed Shore zone is just a mess of bugs.

The size of it seemed fair enough, but the actual battle against him? We stood there for 5 minutes mashing 2 without a single music, dragon roar or anything!
I really hope that this fight sees a rework, while the dungeon and fights to arrive at the end are awesome, it just left a bad taste in the mouth…As if Zaithan were just waiting to be killed or something!

I was pretty disappointed, too. I mean, when you first see him, and he takes off the front of the ship, that was exciting! But clinging to a tower while you just pound him with cannons? Sooo disappointing, and impersonal. I get that it’s the way Destiny’s Edge does things, and that it’s realistic; I’ll buy those arguments. But it still doesn’t change the fact that I wanted more. I was hoping he would at least land on the airship, and we could fight him the way we did his champions. Or have him take the airship down, and fight him on the ground.

It was just so anticlimactic, it didn’t fit at all. The cut scenes and everything else leading up to it were great! The rest of the game has been amazing! But the ending just didn’t feel right, and hope they can slightly revamp the ending.

Until the October 5th rolls around or Anet say he’s not bugged I’m going to live in the magical lala land that he’s bugged… I mean c’mon, they don’t even lock the Zhaitain is bugged threads in the bug category…

Why OP was infracted for his post again?

Every day my feeling that he is bugged grows. I’ve posted my experience before and there are just a couple things that aren’t right and are not like Anet at all. Still what bothers me the most is the 2nd cutscene (The one with the 3 beams that sends him to his tower), just after te first one. It feels very bugged there, shouldn’t we need to power those cannons with something? Or defend Zojja while she’s powering it?

The other thing is the buttonbashing of skill 2, this totally doesn’t feel like ArenaNet at all. They nerfed this kind of things in Guild Wars 1, it just doesn’t fit the total package of Guild Wars 2.

Last of all it would be great if we heard something from ArenaNet about this fight. Is there worked on? Is it bugged? ArenaNet did an awesome job in making Guild Wars 2 and is great for the Guild Wars 2 community. Just make this great too, give us hope!

This is the exact same crap I’ve noticed in lower level “battle” instances as well. Weak boss, NPCs just standing around on the battlefield twiddling their thumbs. Very immersion breaking imo.

I would still love an official word on this, even though I am very sure the fight is bugged or something of that nature, it would ease my mind.

Oh God who cares about STORY, if the STORY should be the only reason to play the game? Go read a book for story.

I don’t mind a good story myself, but if the whole game sucks hard it’s just irritating to read “it’s because of the lore” and “the lore is great!”.