Guild Wars 2

TexZero.7910:

gjBackBone.4807:

To rephrase my whole previous post: I dont like the direction this develops in. I do like the content but I dont feel like its put here in the right place because to me it feels more like raids than fractals.

Can you try and respond again to this rephrased feedback?

Sounds like you have a cognitive bias that associates mechanics with raids since the game was mechanically light for the previous 4 years. It also seems like you’re dislike for the direction is ultimately misplace because they told you the exact direct they wanted fractals to be when they started the rework processes. They wanted T4 to provide for people a source of challenging 5 man instanced content that was lacking.

In that case i still dislike the direction it’s going. And i still think it’s a mistake.

TexZero.7910:

I’d say they’ve flawlessly executed on both. But as per usual the community sees change for the better and instantly comes back with kneejerk reactions.

Because, as it happens, at least a part of said community does not see it as a change for the better. Quite the opposite.

My opinion on that might have been not as strong if raids didn’t exist, but they do. I really don’t want them to contaminate more and more parts of the game.

thrag.9740:

imo there are some issues that should be addressed:

boss 1: The sun is a visual eye sore, so bright its blinding and unpleasant to have on my screen.

boss 1: split phase: the trash mobs use cc so frequently, but they are a small hit box made of white light, not easy to actually see the tells, and so its difficult to dodge. You can’t blind or cc them, so it feels like there is no active counterplay, just spam distore/aegis/stability.

boss 3: Too much visual clutter, raids can have lots of mechanics because models are large enough you can actually see things among the sea of visual noise. In short, Ark is too small to see comfortably imo.

Arkk isnt smaller than Xera tho. And even if he is by a little you only have the clutter of 5 ppl partially stacking not 10.

Problem with this fractal… you invest a lot of time.. kill the first two bosses then spend a ton of time trying to get the third with this in mind.. “If I don’t kill this final boss I will lose all the effort I put into the last two”

and thus a complete waste of time

Is it s wrong if it takes you more times (at the highest toer) to get to be able to comfortably clear it? Lower toers 25 and such ahould ofc be entry lvl.

zealex.9410:

Arkk isnt smaller than Xera tho. And even if he is by a little you only have the clutter of 5 ppl partially stacking not 10.

What attack does xera have that you would actually want to dodge? Flame wall is the only one, and it has a very easy to see aoe indicator. Arkk has a few. Bouncing ball, eye, expanding ring, I think that’s all of the big ones?

xera is boss 3 in wing 3 she actually has a importand blurred fremzy the tank needs to block

Not all arkks attacks happen from his hotbox both bounching orb attakcs have an indicator above his hitbox same for the eye and theres a small oragne circle that apreas before the expandimg ring happens.

lol im sorry zealex, idk why I was thinking sabetha. But xera seems notably larger than ark, in particular taller. I think the height of the boss matters the most. I never have trouble seeing xera.

I agree that individually each of arkk’s attacks would be visible. The problem for me, is I either play zoomed in tightly to see the ground orange circle, or I zoomout to see the above the head indicators. Frustrating. Also the ground circle doesn’t last nearly as long as it should, it disappears and then a second later the attack happens.

Why not just be zoomed out? I play with zommed out because more area vision. Also if i happen to get hit by 1 gavity aoe then i simply special action key my way out of it. Also arkk has an animation when he does the attack.

I like fractals to be a bit more challenging than dungeons. Hell i’d say the difficulty of this fractal is perfectly fine.
I just find it to be a clusterkitten of kitten going everywhere. Hard to see things with all the effects. And the eye icon on Arkk is way too high above his head.
Need to wrap my head around everything thats going on.

glenndevis.8327:

And the eye icon on Arkk is way too high above his head.

I will say one of the only things i’d love to see changed is the forced camera postion reset on wipe.

Can we not do this ever ?

Other than this one very minor gripe the fractal is enjoyable

TexZero.7910:

glenndevis.8327:

And the eye icon on Arkk is way too high above his head.

I will say one of the only things i’d love to see changed is the forced camera postion reset on wipe.

Can we not do this ever ?

Other than this one very minor gripe the fractal is enjoyable

Forced camera position reset?

zealex.9410:

TexZero.7910:

glenndevis.8327:

And the eye icon on Arkk is way too high above his head.

I will say one of the only things i’d love to see changed is the forced camera postion reset on wipe.

Can we not do this ever ?

Other than this one very minor gripe the fractal is enjoyable

Forced camera position reset?

Basically resets camera to just above character head. Which for this fractal is annoying with the amount of things showcased above head level.

TexZero.7910:

zealex.9410:

TexZero.7910:

glenndevis.8327:

And the eye icon on Arkk is way too high above his head.

I will say one of the only things i’d love to see changed is the forced camera postion reset on wipe.

Can we not do this ever ?

Other than this one very minor gripe the fractal is enjoyable

Forced camera position reset?

Basically resets camera to just above character head. Which for this fractal is annoying with the amount of things showcased above head level.

You mean:when you are in a boss fight when the camera will zoom out abit? Or its something diff? If so many mechanics happen above head lvl then the game putting the camera above head lvl should be good no?

zealex.9410:

TexZero.7910:

zealex.9410:

TexZero.7910:

glenndevis.8327:

And the eye icon on Arkk is way too high above his head.

I will say one of the only things i’d love to see changed is the forced camera postion reset on wipe.

Can we not do this ever ?

Other than this one very minor gripe the fractal is enjoyable

Forced camera position reset?

Basically resets camera to just above character head. Which for this fractal is annoying with the amount of things showcased above head level.

You mean:when you are in a boss fight when the camera will zoom out abit? Or its something diff? If so many mechanics happen above head lvl then the game putting the camera above head lvl should be good no?

No i quite literally mean, the camera position resets to default. It basically zooms all the way in regardless of how drawn back you had it.

Every time you die you’ll have to zoom back out because of an arbitrary game decision to ignore player settings.

thats just zooming out with mouse wheel or also go to option and tweak max zoom out distance?

zealex.9410:

thats just zooming out with mouse wheel or also go to option and tweak max zoom out distance?

I don’t think you’re getting this.

I start said fight with camera zoomed out where i want it.
We wipe
Go back into arena and camera instantly snaps back to zoomed all the way in.

This should never happen, and no its not me zooming in. It’s the same issue that we used to have in raids.

tried it yesterday for the first time, im in love with this kitten fractal.

pls anet continue like this

Kormeg.2469:

Aenaos.8160:

And dodging and avoiding AoE is cool,but if I have to do it every 2 seconds it gets old really fast.

Would you rather stack in one spot the whole fight and keep spamming 1?

So to you there is not middle ground in balancing a fight,you will either stack and press 1(do you know of a T4 fractal where this is possible?)or you will dodge every 2 seconds like a bunny.
Logic.

Aenaos.8160:

The first boss is ok,but everything after is wtf I’d rather slap my face with dirty socks than play this.

Why would that be your go to bad thing to compare it too? That’s so weird.

You mean that you’ve tried it and you liked it so it’s weird that I wouldn’t?
Anyway,it’s called a figure of speech,and I use a obviously unpleasant(not for everyone I suppose)paradigm in order to make a point of how I don’t like to play the new fractal.

Linken.6345:

Who want a dirty sock to the face? I know I dont since my sock smells.

Exactly.

Or you just do it in normal mode which is super easy once you have understood about 5 (special action key, catching the ball, pushing orbs at the last boss and evading a couple of highly telegraphed skills) mechanics in total?

TexZero.7910:

zealex.9410:

thats just zooming out with mouse wheel or also go to option and tweak max zoom out distance?

I don’t think you’re getting this.

I start said fight with camera zoomed out where i want it.
We wipe
Go back into arena and camera instantly snaps back to zoomed all the way in.

This should never happen, and no its not me zooming in. It’s the same issue that we used to have in raids.

I havent raid much but id think it would be like snowblind and the elemental where you camera zooms out more than you normaly can for the fight.

I havent payed attantion to arkk either so idk ifits like this.

Sooloo.1364:

While it may be fine for the few that find this new content easy, there are a great many that do not. It’s an easy thing to tell people to just learn and practise, I dunno about most people but I play a game to relax, not practise or work. And with family life and commitment outside of games 90% of my guild won’t touch this, for said reasons. I’m not asking for a nerf or easier content but keep in mind that when you make something like this, you’re not making it for the whole community.

Older and disabled players deserve to be able to enjoy the game as well.

Erzian.5218:

Or you just do it in normal mode which is super easy once you have understood about 5 (special action key, catching the ball, pushing orbs at the last boss and evading a couple of highly telegraphed skills) mechanics in total?

I heard pretty much the same about every single raid encounter: “it’s really easy, once you understand the mechanics”. Somehow it doesn’t work like that in reality however.

Astralporing.1957:

Erzian.5218:

Or you just do it in normal mode which is super easy once you have understood about 5 (special action key, catching the ball, pushing orbs at the last boss and evading a couple of highly telegraphed skills) mechanics in total?

I heard pretty much the same about every single raid encounter: “it’s really easy, once you understand the mechanics”. Somehow it doesn’t work like that in reality however.

They meant to say it’s easy once you’ve played the content for a time so you can familiarise yourself with the mechanics.

Yobculture.5786:

Astralporing.1957:

Erzian.5218:

Or you just do it in normal mode which is super easy once you have understood about 5 (special action key, catching the ball, pushing orbs at the last boss and evading a couple of highly telegraphed skills) mechanics in total?

I heard pretty much the same about every single raid encounter: “it’s really easy, once you understand the mechanics”. Somehow it doesn’t work like that in reality however.

They meant to say it’s easy once you’ve played the content for a time so you can familiarise yourself with the mechanics.

The “it’s easy once it becomes easy” argument?
Right…

Astralporing.1957:

Yobculture.5786:

Astralporing.1957:

Erzian.5218:

Or you just do it in normal mode which is super easy once you have understood about 5 (special action key, catching the ball, pushing orbs at the last boss and evading a couple of highly telegraphed skills) mechanics in total?

I heard pretty much the same about every single raid encounter: “it’s really easy, once you understand the mechanics”. Somehow it doesn’t work like that in reality however.

They meant to say it’s easy once you’ve played the content for a time so you can familiarise yourself with the mechanics.

The “it’s easy once it becomes easy” argument?
Right…

It is called “Learning”.

Aenaos.8160:

The visuals and the setting are nice,but the mechanics make it feel more like SAB than GW2.I thought the great balls of fire in Nightmare were bad and out of place,but this new one I just can’t play,it doesn’t feel GW2ish,it plays more like something for playstation.
And dodging and avoiding AoE is cool,but if I have to do it every 2 seconds it gets old really fast.
The first boss is ok,but everything after is wtf I’d rather slap my face with dirty socks than play this.

What I really love in Guild Wars 2 is fast-paced combat and reliable movement controls. I felt it very underused. Arkk bossfight is just like what I think the game should be from the beginning.
It is pretty well designed actually. Arkk entertains you with dodge game long enough to not get dull yet he have reasonable attack window. I mean, sometimes in PvE enemy attack spam gets so hard so you too busy with dodging to maintain your rotation which is frustrating since besides I enjoy dodging I also enjoy using my weapon and utility profession skills. And this one is definitely not of such encounters, you have enough time and space to unload everything you have on Arkk. It’s really well designed.
Mechanics like bouncing balls and exploding towers are good too since they are ideal for pugs. I mean, they require teamwork and cooperation yet they do not require long explanation, random lfg newbie can realize how do they work just by observing.
Special action key is really great tool expanding game mechanics yet it’s default binding is awful choice. It makes you think that it’s something you rarely use and don’t need to reach quickly which is not true. You can rebind it but other default layout is reasonable and can be played as is. Anyway it’s not this fractal specific problem cos special action has been introduced before.

At the end of the day nothing we discuss here really matters. The player base decides what they will play or enjoy and I don’t see this popping up in LFG at at any tier very often except the odd 100 cm. Nightmare still going hard though.

Astralporing.1957:

The “it’s easy once it becomes easy” argument?
Right…

You’d be amazed. Most of the difficulty comes from learning the mechanics. For example, the Viirastra fight at scale 100 isn’t that difficult to do. It is just really hard to learn:

1. You must DPS down the elite/silver adds and drag the ones that split to the boss for cleave.
2. You must quickly head to the dome when you get a skull on your head.
3. You must catch the marble when it hits the ground using the special action key. At least two players on the marble in case one of them gets doomed.
4. Use the special action key to avoid her phase starting attack.
5. Don’t stand in the brightly colored telegraphed attack areas.
6. Jump the wave.

None of these steps are particularly difficult. If you get a skull, you head to the center and wait. If the marble is thrown, you stand in the brightly lit telegraphed landing spots. When she switches sides, she’ll spawn some adds, so kill them. However, since the game doesn’t tell you all of this, a newb group is going to run face first into a brick wall. Over and over again, directly proportional to how drunk the most lit player on your team is.

As far as the new fractal goes, I don’t mind it. I find it interesting that Viirastra is the hardest fight in normal mode, but otherwise it is a pretty fun romp. The bosses are challenging, and the low gravity is fun, the story is alright. Though it does feel a little stripped down as far as structure goes. You don’t traverse the fractal insomuch as hop from one boss to the next.

My biggest problem is challenge mode. Specifically Arkk. There is a limit to the amount of visual clutter my brain can handle. Towards the end, I have to watch for his orb attack, his telegraphs, that stupid eye attack, the gigantic laser shooting from the sides, the anomaly, the green circle, the placement of my teammates, which platforms are going to fall, where the current damage patches are, where the float ring currently is, and the recharge of all my skills plus the special action key. This is… a lot to handle, and for the final 20% of the fight is mostly my entire team flailing as we try not to get killed by the room full of OHKO attacks.

The biggest issue is, the doomed and anomaly mechanic become a really big liability when platforms start vanishing. Either directly or indirectly this is what kills us, because we cannot reliably kill the Anomaly when the platform underneath of it vanishes. Or when the gigantic beam attack engulfs it. Or when it spawns in the center of a bunch of damage patches. It’s on a “timer” but when Arkk goes into full tantrum mode it might as well be random, because there is no way you can consistently remember when it is going to spawn among the unending hell coming your way.

I’ve only beaten it twice, but among all my attempts, I’ve never had a teammate who thought it was anything other than a crapshoot. Beating the final encounter on CM isn’t about skill, insomuch as it is hoping that the game cooperates and gives you reasonable anomaly spawns. It is more luck than anything else.

So I tried the new fractal tonight… um… nope After 4 wipes on second boss… not worth it. It’s like you have normal fractals, and then you have this 1 hour long cluster-kitten. Oh well, I’ll wait for new elite specs to come out to see if regular non-CM 100 is puggable in off-hours without “well, we need 100% healer, and then any mistake still means we’ll wipe” exercise in frustration. Yes, probably quite doable. No, it’s horrible and not worth it for “non-professional” pugs :P

Bugabuga.9721:

So I tried the new fractal tonight… um… nope After 4 wipes on second boss… not worth it. It’s like you have normal fractals, and then you have this 1 hour long cluster-kitten. Oh well, I’ll wait for new elite specs to come out to see if regular non-CM 100 is puggable in off-hours without “well, we need 100% healer, and then any mistake still means we’ll wipe” exercise in frustration. Yes, probably quite doable. No, it’s horrible and not worth it for “non-professional” pugs :P

It doesnt even remotely take 1hr.

Sounds like poor player skills and poor adaptation to new stuff.

TexZero.7910:

Bugabuga.9721:

So I tried the new fractal tonight… um… nope After 4 wipes on second boss… not worth it. It’s like you have normal fractals, and then you have this 1 hour long cluster-kitten. Oh well, I’ll wait for new elite specs to come out to see if regular non-CM 100 is puggable in off-hours without “well, we need 100% healer, and then any mistake still means we’ll wipe” exercise in frustration. Yes, probably quite doable. No, it’s horrible and not worth it for “non-professional” pugs :P

It doesnt even remotely take 1hr.

Sounds like poor player skills and poor adaptation to new stuff.

Well yeah. The problem is that I just play with random pugs at “off” hours. While all other fractals finish up fast enough, the new one seems to be a bit too crazy and very unforgiving. Not everyone has a raiding/regular group and fractals weren’t meant to be raids. Otherwise we’re back with situation similar to before — daily fractals can be fine or you get “lucky” and today’s one is 5x the length of the normal (without 5x the loot, of course, blah-blah, ‘play for the mechanic’). Pros just do the CM and skidaddle away

“werent meant to be raids” says who? This is a new fractal this is a relatively hard fractal. It will take a few more week to a month for ppl to properly learn it.

Bugabuga.9721:

TexZero.7910:

Bugabuga.9721:

So I tried the new fractal tonight… um… nope After 4 wipes on second boss… not worth it. It’s like you have normal fractals, and then you have this 1 hour long cluster-kitten. Oh well, I’ll wait for new elite specs to come out to see if regular non-CM 100 is puggable in off-hours without “well, we need 100% healer, and then any mistake still means we’ll wipe” exercise in frustration. Yes, probably quite doable. No, it’s horrible and not worth it for “non-professional” pugs :P

It doesnt even remotely take 1hr.

Sounds like poor player skills and poor adaptation to new stuff.

Well yeah. The problem is that I just play with random pugs at “off” hours. While all other fractals finish up fast enough, the new one seems to be a bit too crazy and very unforgiving. Not everyone has a raiding/regular group and fractals weren’t meant to be raids. Otherwise we’re back with situation similar to before — daily fractals can be fine or you get “lucky” and today’s one is 5x the length of the normal (without 5x the loot, of course, blah-blah, ‘play for the mechanic’). Pros just do the CM and skidaddle away

It doesn’t take 5x the time. It takes roughly the same time. Unfortunately for you and your party you’re doing a tier you’re clearly not ready or able to do.

This fractal is definitely well above the nightmare fractal in difficulty.

That is not a problem. The problem is the reward is not even close to the effort that this endeavor takes by comparison.

Cut the BS here, this fractal will be a PUG killer, and most of the people doing fractals do so through LFG instead of being guild groups on discord.

The level of coordination this fractal requires (and frankly, it does feel like a druid healer is necessary compared to other fractals) is not balanced to the pay out of completing the fractal.

And since the payout is not appropriate for the effort required, this fractal will be avoided like the plague.

Difficulty and average length of completion must absolutely be rewarded properly. Address this, and more people will be willing to put in the time to improve for the fractal.

Agreed. Nightmare and Chaos both have unique skin rewards. Was expecting something similar for this one, at the very least, as it is not only a part of the same story arc but decidedly the most challenging.

I agree for the CM difficulty but not 100. If people have adjusted to the mechanics of the normal T4 it’ll be way easier than others.
The first two bosses are melting like ice in the sunshine (even with condi heavy groups) and Arkk is just long due to the fullness of mechanic switches.
Once you know and learned by heart that you have to turn around when “Eye” pops up, go into the bubble with skull, jump or special action key block balls and know how to orb phase it’s very very easy.
Of course it will take time for pugs but that was the same for Nightmare and the new Swamp.

Rewards on the other hand – I fully agree – are crap.

Zenith.7301:

The level of coordination this fractal requires (and frankly, it does feel like a druid healer is necessary compared to other fractals) is not balanced to the pay out of completing the fractal.

It probably doesn’t matter whether it’s a druid or another healer (since tempests are also pretty good at this job), but that’s what I’ve noticed, too. It’s a mighty difference whether you have a healer or not. Nightmare and all the others weren’t that way – sure, a healer is always nice when doing that stuff in a pug, but in the end, it was just the difference between facetanking some avoidable stuff or being more awake. Here, avoiding all the damage at Vi…something and Arkk feels much more difficult.

CptAurellian.9537:

Zenith.7301:

The level of coordination this fractal requires (and frankly, it does feel like a druid healer is necessary compared to other fractals) is not balanced to the pay out of completing the fractal.

It probably doesn’t matter whether it’s a druid or another healer (since tempests are also pretty good at this job), but that’s what I’ve noticed, too. It’s a mighty difference whether you have a healer or not. Nightmare and all the others weren’t that way – sure, a healer is always nice when doing that stuff in a pug, but in the end, it was just the difference between facetanking some avoidable stuff or being more awake. Here, avoiding all the damage at Vi…something and Arkk feels much more difficult.

Way too much passive damage going out, with Vi and the adds plus the smaller aoes and pulses it’s a lot of chip damage obviously meant to be taken care of by a healing spec.

It’s a great, fun fractal.

But it sure as hell was not made with PUGs in mind.

This fractal becomes 10x easier with a Guardian healer instead of a Druid/Ele healer. Don’t get stuck in the “Druids are the only healers” mentality. Yes, druids are the healers for raids because they give out DPS buffs, Guardians though troll 5 man content because they have a solution for everything and Aegis > Arkk.

Just wait until Firebrand is released and you see Guardians healing, protecting with aegis, DPSing, and providing group Quickness (honestly Firebrand 222, Honor 122, Radiance 221 with Axe/Torch + Mace/Shield, heal mantra, retreat, shield of the avenger, spirit bow, elite mantra in seraphs gear). This fractal will become a joke.

Please do not dumb this down for people who don’t want to practice and feel that it’s too hard. It’s not hard at all once you actually memorize the mechanics and it is great for interactive gameplay.

It was super frustrating at first but now that you get used to it , it’s actually enjoyable.

I love the direction of the fractals and their difficulty. Doing 100 and 100 CM actually FEELS like a level 100 fractal now instead of mindlessly going through very easy fractals from before.

Just please, please don’t dumb this down.

Zenith.7301:

Cut the BS here, this fractal will be a PUG killer, and most of the people doing fractals do so through LFG instead of being guild groups on discord.

The level of coordination this fractal requires (and frankly, it does feel like a druid healer is necessary compared to other fractals) is not balanced to the pay out of completing the fractal.

And since the payout is not appropriate for the effort required, this fractal will be avoided like the plague.

Difficulty and average length of completion must absolutely be rewarded properly. Address this, and more people will be willing to put in the time to improve for the fractal.

The length is quite literally on par with both Chaos and Nightmare.

As for being a pug killer, get better. No seriously it’s that simple. Adapt or drop down a tier because nothing you’ve said is true. You don’t need a healer, druid or otherwise. The rewards aren’t bad (unless you down more than you dps) in which case learn or see above about dropping down.

TexZero.7910:

Zenith.7301:

Cut the BS here, this fractal will be a PUG killer, and most of the people doing fractals do so through LFG instead of being guild groups on discord.

The level of coordination this fractal requires (and frankly, it does feel like a druid healer is necessary compared to other fractals) is not balanced to the pay out of completing the fractal.

And since the payout is not appropriate for the effort required, this fractal will be avoided like the plague.

Difficulty and average length of completion must absolutely be rewarded properly. Address this, and more people will be willing to put in the time to improve for the fractal.

The length is quite literally on par with both Chaos and Nightmare.

As for being a pug killer, get better. No seriously it’s that simple. Adapt or drop down a tier because nothing you’ve said is true. You don’t need a healer, druid or otherwise. The rewards aren’t bad (unless you down more than you dps) in which case learn or see above about dropping down.

“As for being a pug killer, get better. No seriously it’s that simple. " – Literally this

People want every fractal to be on par with MC 40 style tactics. It gets old fast. This new fractal is oddly enough, a breath of fresh air.

Azoqu.8917:

This fractal becomes 10x easier with a Guardian healer instead of a Druid/Ele healer. Don’t get stuck in the “Druids are the only healers” mentality. Yes, druids are the healers for raids because they give out DPS buffs, Guardians though troll 5 man content because they have a solution for everything and Aegis > Arkk.

Just wait until Firebrand is released and you see Guardians healing, protecting with aegis, DPSing, and providing group Quickness (honestly Firebrand 222, Honor 122, Radiance 221 with Axe/Torch + Mace/Shield, heal mantra, retreat, shield of the avenger, spirit bow, elite mantra in seraphs gear). This fractal will become a joke.

All 5 players have an “aegis” every 7 seconds or faster with a chrono because the special action key is influenced by alacrity if I’m not mistaken. You don’t need a guard healer for this.
Also, you can jump in the air to avoid the gravity circles and the balls.
In pug runs I have experienced that neither jumping is used nor special action key although they aren’t very hard to use.
For the rest you have 2 dodges to erase all the other damage sources.

Same couple of guys still telling everyone how easy this is if they just learn. I still haven’t completed this fractal in a pug at any level above 25, wipe after wipe leads to rage quits then group disbands. And I try everyday. it’s time to stop pretending that this “easy” fractal is going to be learned. People just won’t do it, period.

Sooloo.1364:

Same couple of guys still telling everyone how easy this is if they just learn. I still haven’t completed this fractal in a pug at any level above 25, wipe after wipe leads to rage quits then group disbands. And I try everyday. it’s time to stop pretending that this “easy” fractal is going to be learned. People just won’t do it, period.

Quitters never learn anyway, that doesn’t mean the fractal isn’t easy.

But it’s just not on the braindead level of easy people want it to be. They want to stand in fire and press 1. This is what i’ve seen from players in T4 with the excuse of “I have the AR i should do T4”. This is the biggest problem with T4 is players who want to be carried through the end to the “rewards” because they think having AR is all that’s required.

Zenith.7301:

This fractal is definitely well above the nightmare fractal in difficulty.

That is not a problem. The problem is the reward is not even close to the effort that this endeavor takes by comparison.

Cut the BS here, this fractal will be a PUG killer, and most of the people doing fractals do so through LFG instead of being guild groups on discord.

The level of coordination this fractal requires (and frankly, it does feel like a druid healer is necessary compared to other fractals) is not balanced to the pay out of completing the fractal.

And since the payout is not appropriate for the effort required, this fractal will be avoided like the plague.

Difficulty and average length of completion must absolutely be rewarded properly. Address this, and more people will be willing to put in the time to improve for the fractal.

I did it with pgs and ppl that had never done it. Other than 1 wi0e we had on boss one the rest we one shot. Idk what do you mean pug killer. But idk its soon to buff the rewards imo.

TexZero.7910:

Zenith.7301:

Cut the BS here, this fractal will be a PUG killer, and most of the people doing fractals do so through LFG instead of being guild groups on discord.

The level of coordination this fractal requires (and frankly, it does feel like a druid healer is necessary compared to other fractals) is not balanced to the pay out of completing the fractal.

And since the payout is not appropriate for the effort required, this fractal will be avoided like the plague.

Difficulty and average length of completion must absolutely be rewarded properly. Address this, and more people will be willing to put in the time to improve for the fractal.

The length is quite literally on par with both Chaos and Nightmare.

As for being a pug killer, get better. No seriously it’s that simple. Adapt or drop down a tier because nothing you’ve said is true. You don’t need a healer, druid or otherwise. The rewards aren’t bad (unless you down more than you dps) in which case learn or see above about dropping down.

I love the random guy projecting so he could get on a soapbox.

You can take those pea"qok" (the censors on this site are almost as ridiculous as your antics) feathers somewhere else where someone might care about this posturing.

Zenith.7301:

TexZero.7910:

Zenith.7301:

Cut the BS here, this fractal will be a PUG killer, and most of the people doing fractals do so through LFG instead of being guild groups on discord.

The level of coordination this fractal requires (and frankly, it does feel like a druid healer is necessary compared to other fractals) is not balanced to the pay out of completing the fractal.

And since the payout is not appropriate for the effort required, this fractal will be avoided like the plague.

Difficulty and average length of completion must absolutely be rewarded properly. Address this, and more people will be willing to put in the time to improve for the fractal.

The length is quite literally on par with both Chaos and Nightmare.

As for being a pug killer, get better. No seriously it’s that simple. Adapt or drop down a tier because nothing you’ve said is true. You don’t need a healer, druid or otherwise. The rewards aren’t bad (unless you down more than you dps) in which case learn or see above about dropping down.

I love the random guy projecting so he could get on a soapbox.

You can take those peakitten feathers somewhere else where someone might care about this posturing.

It’s quite funny that you think i’m projecting.

All i’m saying is the fractal is not nearly as long and hard as you guys make it out to be. It only becomes long and hard if you absolutely stubbornly refuse to do the mechanics, and as such you as a player are choosing this path instead of choosing the easier paths available to you.

But hey what do i know… Not like i haven’t completed this fractal several times on t4 with no issues already, must be an impossible task. Heck even if it was some hypothetically impossible or arduous task you’d think you as a player would choose the easier options :^)

Sooloo.1364:

Same couple of guys still telling everyone how easy this is if they just learn. I still haven’t completed this fractal in a pug at any level above 25, wipe after wipe leads to rage quits then group disbands. And I try everyday. it’s time to stop pretending that this “easy” fractal is going to be learned. People just won’t do it, period.

Then why don’t you give it another try with a friend or two in the first place and later on with four pugs?
If you still do so, explain mechanics to the ones that are not used to.

You are better than the pugs you meet? Take over some special tasks:
- Bring a lot of CC on your own (for all bosses)
- Focus and push solar orb away from the group when it spawns (first boss)
- Do the ball game alone and let your group dps. (second boss)

Maybe play more defensive, all classes can use some utilities making survival easier. You don’t have to go in qT-style and play the full glass cannon full dps road if you find yourself not safe the first times.

And hey, what about the 4-5 reaper groups, I would guess it’s a joke with such team comp like the other T4s.