Guild Wars 2

I’m creating an engi, what are the next runes in line after Rune of the Scholar?

Thanks

Lions arch is not a reliable source of information. After asking the same question and specifying that it was for dungeon meta, I was suggested to get Rune of Balthazar and finally was pointed out that “there is no such thing as a dungeon meta”.

Help please

Strength,
Ranger,
Scholar,

in that order if I remember correctly,

if you need to go “lower” than that…. uhhh i will mail you a set??

Lions Arch is a scary place

Flame Legion runes are an alternative if you’re looking to spend less than 10 silver.

How’s the rune of ranger (6) working? Still working with minipets?

last i heard yes

Alright then, Im gonna farm a bit for Ranger runes

Thanks for the offer Ropechef but I gotta earn everything I own :P

If you are planning on using ranger runes then I would get full zerker armor instead of the suggested assassins since you’ll get quite a lot of precision from the runes. But if you already have a full assassins set then I’d suggest using flame legion runes.

Yeah I bought a full assassin’s one

Then I’d just slap on a set of flame legion runes and start saving money for a full scholar set.

Flame Legion or Pack is my suggestion. Ranger runes with a mini pet is so undignified.

D;

4 of my alts wear ranger runes. For some reasons, i feel it’s harder to maintain higher than 90% HP on engi than on other classes. What did I do wrong?

Assume you are focused more on power rather than condi. +1 for Flame Legion runes. They are really cheap for a whole set, Power Primary bonus with a 7% damage increase.

@Iris, I’m like that too, just the rotations are a bit intense and I often am mid move when I need to dodge and I can’t react fast enough for I don’t see it as I’m too focused on the rotation… I’m like that on my scepter Ele too though.

As far as the topic goes though. Why are people saying ranger is bad? With assassin gear and my normal cheap food that’d put me at 72% crit chance… seems solid. I guess the reliance on mini pets is a bit bogus, i’ll give ya that, but seems a fine option if you’re ok with that, and then you don’t lose the ferocity that ranger/scholar grant that flame legion doesn’t. More burning would be nice I guess but in normal groups that’s almost always up anyways so conflict issues and what not. So is ranger really a bad idea? (note, I use scholar but looking into the attributes of ranger it seems a solid option to me).

Of course Flame legion for the price is always great and if you’re saving for scholar eventually probably the best bet.

I think the lack of active defense in Engi makes me cringe. All I can do is dodge. The amount of blind is also very limited as well. I tried engi in fractals 50 and it is oh, so tough against trash mobs. I even shamelessly swap rifle out for pistol/shield and take took kits at the dredge fractal.

btw Iris are you looking at dungeon mentors post ? Lots of students there asking for an inv, have you sent it?

Use pistol + shield and toolkit if you need more defence. Engi is really good at active defence but you have to sacrifice a utility slot and rifle to maximise it. You also have the invuln elixir.

Quickfoot Katana.8642:

btw Iris are you looking at dungeon mentors post ? Lots of students there asking for an inv, have you sent it?

I did, Quickie.

spoj.9672:

Use pistol + shield and toolkit if you need more defence. Engi is really good at active defence but you have to sacrifice a utility slot and rifle to maximise it. You also have the invuln elixir.

^^
In the Meta you’ll still have Grenade3 and FT5 for blinds, not really enough but it’s something.

Can swap in bomb or pistol for more though.

Blocks you got shield/toolkit

Then an invuln

And you can change traits to get perma vigor which is sweet and they are extremely friendly to the use of energy sigils where you can swap weapon then re-equip a kit with basically no time loss to get energy back quickly.

The only problem with engi defenses at all is like spoj says you have to make sacrifices to get them.

Then you realize you sacrifice a LOT of damage for a fraction of utilities an ele can cover. That moment when you face the Vet Earth Golems in Molten Fractal and know nothing can help but a long-ish duration blind.

/GoCryInACorner

Jerus.4350:

@Iris, I’m like that too, just the rotations are a bit intense and I often am mid move when I need to dodge and I can’t react fast enough for I don’t see it as I’m too focused on the rotation… I’m like that on my scepter Ele too though.

As far as the topic goes though. Why are people saying ranger is bad? With assassin gear and my normal cheap food that’d put me at 72% crit chance… seems solid. I guess the reliance on mini pets is a bit bogus, i’ll give ya that, but seems a fine option if you’re ok with that, and then you don’t lose the ferocity that ranger/scholar grant that flame legion doesn’t. More burning would be nice I guess but in normal groups that’s almost always up anyways so conflict issues and what not. So is ranger really a bad idea? (note, I use scholar but looking into the attributes of ranger it seems a solid option to me).

Of course Flame legion for the price is always great and if you’re saving for scholar eventually probably the best bet.

Using ranger runes with assassins armor is wasted dps since you’ll be sitting at 110% crit chance when the minor trait kicks in at targets under 50% hp. And getting a full set of ranger runes until you upgrade to a scholar set is a waste of money considering flame legion runes are almost just as good only cost a few silver.

Taku.6352:

Jerus.4350:

@Iris, I’m like that too, just the rotations are a bit intense and I often am mid move when I need to dodge and I can’t react fast enough for I don’t see it as I’m too focused on the rotation… I’m like that on my scepter Ele too though.

As far as the topic goes though. Why are people saying ranger is bad? With assassin gear and my normal cheap food that’d put me at 72% crit chance… seems solid. I guess the reliance on mini pets is a bit bogus, i’ll give ya that, but seems a fine option if you’re ok with that, and then you don’t lose the ferocity that ranger/scholar grant that flame legion doesn’t. More burning would be nice I guess but in normal groups that’s almost always up anyways so conflict issues and what not. So is ranger really a bad idea? (note, I use scholar but looking into the attributes of ranger it seems a solid option to me).

Of course Flame legion for the price is always great and if you’re saving for scholar eventually probably the best bet.

Using ranger runes with assassins armor is wasted dps since you’ll be sitting at 110% crit chance when the minor trait kicks in at targets under 50% hp. And getting a full set of ranger runes until you upgrade to a scholar set is a waste of money considering flame legion runes are almost just as good only cost a few silver.

Nice, thank you, completely forgot about that trait. And yeah the cost thing makes sense, I was just thinking ranger wouldn’t be a terrible idea overall, but again, forgot about that extra 10% there.

Not my engi. She wears Zerk/Assassin mix since she has to share her armor with my ranger and thief, too

Iris Ng.9845:

Not my engi. She wears Zerk/Assassin mix since she has to share her armor with my ranger and thief, too

I also use zerk assassin mix with scholar runes on my armor simply because I didn’t have enough laurels to buy the last assassins pieces and I had the mixed recipes already because i crafted a set for my ranger. But I’ve swapped out my accessories to assassins stats so now i have 62% cc unbuffed and 100% with fury + banner + Target the weak.

Oh kitten , mine is currently 65-69% with ranger runes, zerk accessory and maintenance oil and 58-59% with scholars. Swapping accessories to assassins is something I didn’t calculate. It’s a good idea since there is an NPC from whom I can buy copies of the ones I unlocked from the collections.

I’m currently contemplating to sub the rangers with strengths instead. What is your opinion? Scholar is good for all 3 medium classes but strength is hard to pass for engi which I mainly use in fractals.

Edit: I’m a tiny bit concerned about the ramp up time, aka. time for Target the Weak to kick in vs. the vuln up keep. Give me some thought.

I only play fractals and still prefer using scholar over strength but that is mostly because I pretty much only do guild runs with experienced guardians and eles and can actually keep that dmg bonus up most of the time. But if I was pugging more strength would probably be my 2nd choice simply thanks to the party utility it brings and you will always have that 5% bonus.

And even with “only” 90% cc before TtW kicks in you will still do your job at vuln stacking more than well enough since you get good burst vuln just from your initial dps rotation and you have other 4 party members applying vuln also and as the fight goes on you’ll start using grenade auto more and at that point bosses should already be near 50% so it shouldn’t be that big of a loss.

Now I really need to get some sleep. x_x

Ruby orbs are also good to tide you over.

EDIT: also, if you think engis lack active defenses, try playing a necro. shudders

Ruby orbs arent good anymore.

Topical: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JLxA_jpE56Y

hybrid.5027:

Topical: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JLxA_jpE56Y

ooo,

thanks Nike,

Poors necros…