Guild Wars 2

There hasn’t been a single overflow server yet today, so it’s been impossible to get a group for fractals today

Robert Hrouda.1327:

The GW2LFG site listed above is a handy tool, but we are working on something internally to improve and upgrade our group tool.

I am curious, in the past on the forums when speaking of the future LFG tool and the post above, you mention your “current LFG tool”. If needed I can provide links to previous posts by you and others.

Anyway, my question is, do you really think that a chat bar that doesn’t even have a channel for grouping is a “tool”/“system” for finding groups? IMO that is not a system it is anarchy.

IMO, everytime I see you and the other devs say that it just send a shiver up my spine. It makes me think that you guys think that a chat bar is a grouping system. That you think this is a tool for finding groups makes me wonder if you guys actually play the game. Finding a group using the chat bar without an Arenanet icon is frustrating, time consuming, and an annoyance to everyone. It also concerns me because when I think about how this “chat tool” could be “upgraded” all I see in the future is a new channel for groups that goes across all servers and not being caught for spam when making a group. Just a heads up, that wouldn’t be cool as a long term fix.

That is just my opinion though. I really do not understand what you consider “our group tool” unless you are referring to something you have internally. In that case you are just confusing the situation and making me make the above assumptions.

I hope that does not come across in mean spirit. I am truly just curious.

Before I started on my quest for a full TA light set, I didn’t think this was a good idea.

Now I can’t wait for it. I have had such horrible luck getting groups today… had one excellent group this morning (thank you if you see this, you were awesome), then didn’t get another group for almost three hours. When I did get the group, it was pretty horrible. Couldn’t even get past the vines… I may be more survival specced, but I’m still a Mesmer. I couldn’t make up for the other four people.

Here’s hoping that a group finder will make my life in TA easier.

This feature should have been included at launch but wasn’t. I’m sure they will add it soon because people are leaving the game because they can’t find groups.

looking forward to this! thanks for the great news.
trust that you guys are working on this.

if you plan to have a test run for this somehow. if it’s feasible at all.. sign me up!

I’d just like to mention some things that I think would make a great finder:

• Cross-server grouping: if it’s restricted to searching in your own realm, it will likely take much longer for “older” dungeons like TA. I have a hard enough time finding groups right now, and that’s in overflow.

• The finder is only for groups: what I mean by this is that all this system does is find you a group, not port you to the dungeon. This way, people still have to either get out in the world or use waypoints.

• Level of detail: I certainly hope that the finder will allow us to specify things such as what path of the dungeon we want, what gear we have, what build we have, etc. This would easily be covered by a comment field.

Robert Hrouda.1327:

The GW2LFG site listed above is a handy tool, but we are working on something internally to improve and upgrade our group tool.

I’m just really surprised that Anet supports a 3rd party site like this. I mean, what happens if suddenly everyone involved with the site has their accounts compromised? You told people it’s a handy tool. I’m not attacking you as much as saying I’m concerned. It seems like a risky thing to do – sending your players to an unverified site.

SteepledHat.1345:

Robert Hrouda.1327:

The GW2LFG site listed above is a handy tool, but we are working on something internally to improve and upgrade our group tool.

I’m just really surprised that Anet supports a 3rd party site like this. I mean, what happens if suddenly everyone involved with the site has their accounts compromised? You told people it’s a handy tool. I’m not attacking you as much as saying I’m concerned. It seems like a risky thing to do – sending your players to an unverified site.

The site in general doesn’t ask for anything personal. No accounts are required to use it. No strange plugins, web socket connections, or anything obvious that can be used to compromise an account.

The most dangerous thing that the site could get is your character name and your dungeon’ing preferences.

Question is ( and maybe the reason they keep prolonging an upgraded tool from tomorrow till never): how the tool everyone ask would work? Server based or interserver?
Because well, now we have just fractals and our beloved LA harrassed of players who make us arrive, mapping, to an overflow. When new content and new ways to get ascended gear and new maps will be out, i doubt we will see so many other player wasting time on LA overloading it till an overflow is needed. So, when you arrive to la and not on overflow, joining a group of players everyone on his main server, how are you planning to group up and meet them? Creating overflows just for them? Overflow is a map overload solution, not an instrument to group up.

Whatever too Anet implements needs to be cross-server.

It doesn’t need to be auto-join and auto-port you to the dungeon, but it does need to let you state very specifically what you are looking for, and if it isn’t auto-join, it needs to be very browsing friendly.

Basically, it needs to be equal to, at minimum, the LFG site, or will be largely useless and wasted development time.

LFG is a palliative. Works, everyone is happy with it, until one is on overflow. Did you try, using that website, to group up discovering everyone is on his main server? Now you know why sometimes you see “Please i need someone on overflow”

Please add a dungeon finder like in other top games.. This lfg is really outdated.. NOBODY (ok maybe a few) want to spam hours in chat or wait to find a group.. I mean where is the problem? I never find a group to go inside a nice dungeon, becaouse I have after my work not a hour to yell the whole time.

When some people dont want it then they musnt use it?! Where is the problem?

Simple solution to this problem.

Use the same web interface you use for BLT, create a site and direct the interface to this site. Problem solved, move to an external tool this way if something needs to be changed just make this server side. Don´t even need (most of time) to change it client side.

Bregah.7365:

It doesn’t need to be auto-join

It does.

Bregah.7365:

Whatever too Anet implements needs to be cross-server.

It doesn’t need to be auto-join and auto-port you to the dungeon, but it does need to let you state very specifically what you are looking for, and if it isn’t auto-join, it needs to be very browsing friendly.

Basically, it needs to be equal to, at minimum, the LFG site, or will be largely useless and wasted development time.

I agree on some of your points but the LFG tool should do the following IMO

Should be cross server
Should auto form groups
Should NOT auto warp players into the dungeon
It should NOT allow players to queue up for explorable mode unless that have finished story mode on that character. As much as this would suck for those with alts it will get people running story mode again, and avoid the issue I have run into using gw2lfg.com where you get a full group with no one having access to explorable mode.

If you put the LFG in a auto form groups system lots of people will never use them because it´s not our freedom of choice, just something forced on us. And when you take the freedom of choice people will be very angry.

evolverzilla.2359:

If you put the LFG in a auto form groups system lots of people will never use them because it´s not our freedom of choice, just something forced on us. And when you take the freedom of choice people will be very angry.

the LFG tool will never please everyone but it is clear by MMO gamers they are lazy so while some people will dislike it others will still use it. I would say a compromise would be add a function that lets you either sit and invite/be invited or to just auto join the first group available

@Yahiko
And less people will use if they force someone into your grup taking from you the choice.

And yeah, I´m really lazy, i prefer to wait playing or using map talk to really talk to people instad of spamming LFG in LA.

Yeah sooo lazy.

YaHiKoDrG.3467:

Bregah.7365:

Whatever too Anet implements needs to be cross-server.

It doesn’t need to be auto-join and auto-port you to the dungeon, but it does need to let you state very specifically what you are looking for, and if it isn’t auto-join, it needs to be very browsing friendly.

Basically, it needs to be equal to, at minimum, the LFG site, or will be largely useless and wasted development time.

I agree on some of your points but the LFG tool should do the following IMO

Should be cross server
Should auto form groups
Should NOT auto warp players into the dungeon
It should NOT allow players to queue up for explorable mode unless that have finished story mode on that character. As much as this would suck for those with alts it will get people running story mode again, and avoid the issue I have run into using gw2lfg.com where you get a full group with no one having access to explorable mode.

If it would have autoform I would spend more time on getting people than now.

You know the games awesoem when they say “when its ready” tm

Robert Hrouda.1327:

the problem with rough estimates is that if I gave a date, that’s /the/ date everyone will expect it. Then, if it’s not ready, people get upset with us. It’s just best to say “we’re on it!” and try to get it out as quick as we can, with as much awesome functionality as we can

but.. to evoke Colin Johandsome: “When it’s ready.”

Thanks for the update Robert, we definitely understand the reason not being able to give a specific date. Could you at least share with us some idea of the improvements and design decisions with regards to the tool? I think with the amount of grouping inside and outside of the game a lot of people are fairly sure about the kind of tool they would like. Thanks!

I thought about the auto-warp to dungeons part and to be honest, I don’t think it would matter if that part was included in the LFG or not. Unlike other MMOs where you would have to travel by boat, airship, griffon, or whatever means of mass-transportation, in GW2, your primary means of travel are by foot and by teleportation. And if you’re one of those crazy people who insist in traveling from Lion’s Arch to the front door of a said dungeon on foot … well, let’s hope your party members have lots of patience.

If anything, you’re only saving at the most 10 seconds when it comes to having the LFG system warping you from Lion’s Arch to the front door of the dungeon compared to actually having you warp there yourself.

I really liked how SW:TOR’s LFG system worked.

hi,

newbie question, can players from different server join as group for FOTM?

rchu.8945:

hi,

newbie question, can players from different server join as group for FOTM?

Yes, but when you enter FotM, you all need to be in the same overflow channel.

YaHiKoDrG.3467:

Should NOT auto warp players into the dungeon

I really don’t understand this….

What is the problem? Your in a game with instant teleportation to the front of the dungeon. ALL dungeons have a WP right outside of them that you insta click for 3 silver or w/e.

Also you don’t even need to be near the dungeon to teleport, only inside the zone. Players can enter and it will pop up for all even though your on the other side of the zone. As far as I can see it any comparisons to WoW aren’t usable as you don’t even rez outside in a Graveyard, but inside the dungeon, You can actually move to the dungeon faster as you can TP next to it, and you can be zoned in regardless of you having even seen the dungeon itself.

In all honesty….atm it isn’t far off the WoW DF teleport system.

Nashaan.3160:

rchu.8945:

hi,

newbie question, can players from different server join as group for FOTM?

Yes, but when you enter FotM, you all need to be in the same overflow channel.

thanks for the reply, but how can you make sure you and other members of group will be in the same overflow channel? Sorry but I haven’t done much FOTM, just trying to find out how to best utilize the gw2lfg as a way of finding ppl to do FOTM level 1…

evolverzilla.2359:

And less people will use if they force someone into your grup taking from you the choice.

And yeah, I´m really lazy, i prefer to wait playing or using map talk to really talk to people instad of spamming LFG in LA.

Yeah sooo lazy.

boy you seem upset that there is a possibility to include something to help form groups. There is absolutely no difference from auto forming a group than spamming /map or posting on gw2lfg, no matter which form you use you are still rolling the dice on the quality of group members you are getting. If you happen to be one of those who discriminate what type of members you invite then find a guild and run with them. I love how people thinking spamming /map or using the website is a form of socializing in guild wars 2. Most of the dungeon groups I’ve joined from gw2lfg the only word anyone has said to each other is “is this for -enter dungeon-” And when I’ve done FotM with pugs its 50/50 on if they are any good.

On the topic of auto warping I’m sure everyone is sick of hearing it but just like repair bills warping yourself to a dungeon takes a small amount of gold out of the players economy and we can already see how badly it is getting. Even if you only need one person to zone into the dungeon while the rest of your group is in the zone everyone still had to take themselves out to that zone in the first place.

Well, in that case, the Improved LFG tool could also mention travel costs, if any for automatic porting. Besides, if Anet was that desperate in regulating the economy, they could have also instated a travel cost in using the Asura Gate in the Heart of the Mists that goes to Lion’s Arch.

Auvic.5679:

I wouldn’t like to see a LFG tool, myself. The disadvantages to it that I’ve seen far outweigh its benefits, especially when joining a guild to find people to consistently run dungeons(Including Fractals) with is one of the simplest things in GW2.

What possible disadvantages could you be referring to? You don’t even know how they will go about implementing a group finder. The current system already matches you up with randoms…just by spamming map chat for anyone willing to do the same dungeon you want to do. The presence of a group finder does not stop you from doing what you are currently doing. You can still only group with your guild mates or friends. You don’t have to click on any group finder if you don’t want to. You can’t possibly be finding any sense of “community” by reading “LFG X” 1 million times a day in map chat. I don’t see the disadvantages you are referring to?!? Are you referring to people actually getting to do the dungeons as a disadvantage? Do you want dungeons to be something that only guild mates or friends can do on a consistent basis?

evolverzilla.2359:

If you put the LFG in a auto form groups system lots of people will never use them because it´s not our freedom of choice, just something forced on us. And when you take the freedom of choice people will be very angry.

Simple answer..if you don’t like it…don’t use it? How is it forced on you if you don’t have to use it? I didn’t see any mention of them removing map chat or the /invite function.

Right ODB!
I dont know what the problem is.. When some people dont want to use such a teleport dungeon finder like in f.e. WoW then dont use it!
Where is the problem? Not everyone want to yell hours in the chat?

Any simple answer why we cant have such a tool?…

I mean in everygame you have such strange persons.. Like in Shooter games, some people say “OH MY GOT DISABLE ALL CROSSHAIRS” .. my god..

DONT USE IT !

Robert Hrouda.1327:

but.. to evoke Colin Johandsome: “When it’s ready.”

Last time a game company tell the same thing they give us *gasp*Duke Nuken Forever*shivers*

Robert Hrouda.1327:

the problem with rough estimates is that if I gave a date, that’s /the/ date everyone will expect it. Then, if it’s not ready, people get upset with us. It’s just best to say “we’re on it!” and try to get it out as quick as we can, with as much awesome functionality as we can

but.. to evoke Colin Johandsome: “When it’s ready.”

Could always use another companies line, “Soon™”

JeebusCan.4205:

Robert Hrouda.1327:

the problem with rough estimates is that if I gave a date, that’s /the/ date everyone will expect it. Then, if it’s not ready, people get upset with us. It’s just best to say “we’re on it!” and try to get it out as quick as we can, with as much awesome functionality as we can

but.. to evoke Colin Johandsome: “When it’s ready.”

Could always use another companies line, “Soon™”

Are you Jebus from Profit O_O