Anyone changed their raid comp since patch?
Did 2 wings today, took out a rev and put in another necro lol. No change to the eles.
However idk if Ele is still best or whatever, just people used to it and stick with it for now and it’s still a solid class.
FOR THE GREEEEEEEEEEEEN
Our group comp is still (generally) 4-4-2 / 2 reaper, 1 dh, 1 tempest. Hardly feel the nerf :s
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From what I’ve done against Golem
Thief Staff DPS is just shy of Fresh Air Ele.
Taking 25Might, Fury and Quickness
With
Empower Allies, Assassins Presence (?), Str and Dis Banner 2x GoTL Spotter and Frost. I got Staff DPS around 1k DPS less. (26.3k vs 27.4k)
Also taking into account my Thief as of current doesn’t have any Ascended Armour, so the DPS is a little closer then that.
Not to mention the superior breakbar destruction thief now has due to BV VenomShare baseline. So for VG / Matt (Unless your using Aura Ele) Theif might just be better then ele in terms of damage and usefulness considering that less classes have to take CC instead of something else that might boost damage instead =P.
(Yes I’m trying to push thief into at least one boss, yes I am biased, yes I have both classes)
Against a moving target I’m certain Thief DPS will outshine Ele FA due to the nature of static AoEs. Against Staff Ele w/ Large Hitbox. Staff Ele is still better.
From what I’ve done against Golem
Thief Staff DPS is just shy of Fresh Air Ele.Taking 25Might, Fury and Quickness
With
Empower Allies, Assassins Presence (?), Str and Dis Banner 2x GoTL Spotter and Frost. I got Staff DPS around 1k DPS less. (26.3k vs 27.4k)Also taking into account my Thief as of current doesn’t have any Ascended Armour, so the DPS is a little closer then that.
Not to mention the superior breakbar destruction thief now has due to BV VenomShare baseline. So for VG / Matt (Unless your using Aura Ele) Theif might just be better then ele in terms of damage and usefulness considering that less classes have to take CC instead of something else that might boost damage instead =P.
(Yes I’m trying to push thief into at least one boss, yes I am biased, yes I have both classes)Against a moving target I’m certain Thief DPS will outshine Ele FA due to the nature of static AoEs. Against Staff Ele w/ Large Hitbox. Staff Ele is still better.
Thief is definitely better against vale guardian. Ele vs thief on matthias largely depends on how badly you want to clear ice patches and now much you trust your thief not to accidentally give matthias 150% damage with autoattack (though thief is going to win in DPS because it’s tough to keep matthias still and because shadowstep lets you get more attacks off).
Against xera and sabetha thief is going to give better damage than D/W but the ele will be much better at killing adds so it’s really a matter of what you prefer for your comp.
As you said ele still destroys everything with a large hitbox.
From what I’ve done against Golem
Thief Staff DPS is just shy of Fresh Air Ele.Taking 25Might, Fury and Quickness
With
Empower Allies, Assassins Presence (?), Str and Dis Banner 2x GoTL Spotter and Frost. I got Staff DPS around 1k DPS less. (26.3k vs 27.4k)Also taking into account my Thief as of current doesn’t have any Ascended Armour, so the DPS is a little closer then that.
Not to mention the superior breakbar destruction thief now has due to BV VenomShare baseline. So for VG / Matt (Unless your using Aura Ele) Theif might just be better then ele in terms of damage and usefulness considering that less classes have to take CC instead of something else that might boost damage instead =P.
(Yes I’m trying to push thief into at least one boss, yes I am biased, yes I have both classes)Against a moving target I’m certain Thief DPS will outshine Ele FA due to the nature of static AoEs. Against Staff Ele w/ Large Hitbox. Staff Ele is still better.
D/D is much higher dps than staff now…
Have fun. Be Alive. K Thnx Bye.
From what I’ve done against Golem
Thief Staff DPS is just shy of Fresh Air Ele.Taking 25Might, Fury and Quickness
With
Empower Allies, Assassins Presence (?), Str and Dis Banner 2x GoTL Spotter and Frost. I got Staff DPS around 1k DPS less. (26.3k vs 27.4k)Also taking into account my Thief as of current doesn’t have any Ascended Armour, so the DPS is a little closer then that.
Not to mention the superior breakbar destruction thief now has due to BV VenomShare baseline. So for VG / Matt (Unless your using Aura Ele) Theif might just be better then ele in terms of damage and usefulness considering that less classes have to take CC instead of something else that might boost damage instead =P.
(Yes I’m trying to push thief into at least one boss, yes I am biased, yes I have both classes)Against a moving target I’m certain Thief DPS will outshine Ele FA due to the nature of static AoEs. Against Staff Ele w/ Large Hitbox. Staff Ele is still better.
Thief is definitely better against vale guardian. Ele vs thief on matthias largely depends on how badly you want to clear ice patches and now much you trust your thief not to accidentally give matthias 150% damage with autoattack (though thief is going to win in DPS because it’s tough to keep matthias still and because shadowstep lets you get more attacks off).
Against xera and sabetha thief is going to give better damage than D/W but the ele will be much better at killing adds so it’s really a matter of what you prefer for your comp.
As you said ele still destroys everything with a large hitbox.
Since you should run d/d anyways I don’t think you should be reflecting with staff auto…
Have fun. Be Alive. K Thnx Bye.
From what I’ve done against Golem
Thief Staff DPS is just shy of Fresh Air Ele.Taking 25Might, Fury and Quickness
With
Empower Allies, Assassins Presence (?), Str and Dis Banner 2x GoTL Spotter and Frost. I got Staff DPS around 1k DPS less. (26.3k vs 27.4k)Also taking into account my Thief as of current doesn’t have any Ascended Armour, so the DPS is a little closer then that.
Not to mention the superior breakbar destruction thief now has due to BV VenomShare baseline. So for VG / Matt (Unless your using Aura Ele) Theif might just be better then ele in terms of damage and usefulness considering that less classes have to take CC instead of something else that might boost damage instead =P.
(Yes I’m trying to push thief into at least one boss, yes I am biased, yes I have both classes)Against a moving target I’m certain Thief DPS will outshine Ele FA due to the nature of static AoEs. Against Staff Ele w/ Large Hitbox. Staff Ele is still better.
Thief is definitely better against vale guardian. Ele vs thief on matthias largely depends on how badly you want to clear ice patches and now much you trust your thief not to accidentally give matthias 150% damage with autoattack (though thief is going to win in DPS because it’s tough to keep matthias still and because shadowstep lets you get more attacks off).
Against xera and sabetha thief is going to give better damage than D/W but the ele will be much better at killing adds so it’s really a matter of what you prefer for your comp.
As you said ele still destroys everything with a large hitbox.
Since you should run d/d anyways I don’t think you should be reflecting with staff auto…
Never could get D/D that high Dps. Is there a vid you show rotation cause I’m useless and could never find one =/
From what I’ve done against Golem
Thief Staff DPS is just shy of Fresh Air Ele.Taking 25Might, Fury and Quickness
With
Empower Allies, Assassins Presence (?), Str and Dis Banner 2x GoTL Spotter and Frost. I got Staff DPS around 1k DPS less. (26.3k vs 27.4k)Also taking into account my Thief as of current doesn’t have any Ascended Armour, so the DPS is a little closer then that.
Not to mention the superior breakbar destruction thief now has due to BV VenomShare baseline. So for VG / Matt (Unless your using Aura Ele) Theif might just be better then ele in terms of damage and usefulness considering that less classes have to take CC instead of something else that might boost damage instead =P.
(Yes I’m trying to push thief into at least one boss, yes I am biased, yes I have both classes)Against a moving target I’m certain Thief DPS will outshine Ele FA due to the nature of static AoEs. Against Staff Ele w/ Large Hitbox. Staff Ele is still better.
Thief is definitely better against vale guardian. Ele vs thief on matthias largely depends on how badly you want to clear ice patches and now much you trust your thief not to accidentally give matthias 150% damage with autoattack (though thief is going to win in DPS because it’s tough to keep matthias still and because shadowstep lets you get more attacks off).
Against xera and sabetha thief is going to give better damage than D/W but the ele will be much better at killing adds so it’s really a matter of what you prefer for your comp.
As you said ele still destroys everything with a large hitbox.
Since you should run d/d anyways I don’t think you should be reflecting with staff auto…
Never could get D/D that high Dps. Is there a vid you show rotation cause I’m useless and could never find one =/
The rotation for the D/D thief is just CnD, Backstab, 2 full auto chains, repeat. Be sure to slot a dagger mainhand on one weapon swap and just a dagger offhand on the other weapon swap. This is to swap weapons on cool down to make use of quick pockets to keep initiative up. Also use steal every time it’s off cd for the extra initiative. With all buffs and toxic sharpening stones/seaweed salad you should be able to maintain about 35k dps on the golem with 4 mill health. This is with the DA/CS/Tr build. I’m some tests I found it worth it to use HS at 25% by a small margin. I plan to test this further
[DnT] Thief Main
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From what I’ve done against Golem
Thief Staff DPS is just shy of Fresh Air Ele.Taking 25Might, Fury and Quickness
With
Empower Allies, Assassins Presence (?), Str and Dis Banner 2x GoTL Spotter and Frost. I got Staff DPS around 1k DPS less. (26.3k vs 27.4k)Also taking into account my Thief as of current doesn’t have any Ascended Armour, so the DPS is a little closer then that.
Not to mention the superior breakbar destruction thief now has due to BV VenomShare baseline. So for VG / Matt (Unless your using Aura Ele) Theif might just be better then ele in terms of damage and usefulness considering that less classes have to take CC instead of something else that might boost damage instead =P.
(Yes I’m trying to push thief into at least one boss, yes I am biased, yes I have both classes)Against a moving target I’m certain Thief DPS will outshine Ele FA due to the nature of static AoEs. Against Staff Ele w/ Large Hitbox. Staff Ele is still better.
Thief is definitely better against vale guardian. Ele vs thief on matthias largely depends on how badly you want to clear ice patches and now much you trust your thief not to accidentally give matthias 150% damage with autoattack (though thief is going to win in DPS because it’s tough to keep matthias still and because shadowstep lets you get more attacks off).
Against xera and sabetha thief is going to give better damage than D/W but the ele will be much better at killing adds so it’s really a matter of what you prefer for your comp.
As you said ele still destroys everything with a large hitbox.
Yea, I actually liked staff thief a lot on Matthias just because of the mobility, but it’s definitely a fight where you may still want an ele or two to help with ice patches.
Here’s my current thoughts on
- VG does seem like a fight that favors thief due to the movement. D/D thief is probably best, but staff may be more forgiving, depending on the tank tactics.
- Gorse will probably always be a fight that favors ele stacking with a necro or two for epi.
- Sabetha seems to be pretty ideal for thief. Staff thief actually works pretty well handling cannons since you can vault onto launch pads at the last second and avoid getting kicked by bandits.
- Sloth is ele territory.
- Matthias is as mentioned above
- KC is ele territory
- Xera seems like a good thief fight
Anyways, that’s my thoughts at this point. I haven’t played thief on most these fights (usually playing chrono) and I don’t play ele, so take what I say as a grain of salt.