Guild Wars 2

I see your party in LFG, open world category, with a clear description of “P1, anyone welcome, not a speed run”. I think why not and takethe gamble. Turns out the dungeon is CoE.

I go in, try to joke around and talk with you guys, but not much is said. So I take a close look at your guildie thief buddy, with his fancy “Dungeon Master” title and dual pistols. I let out a little chuckle. A pug warrior comes in, sees that you are one too, and pings out her banner. No response from you, so she just slots one banner. A ranger comes in to finish the party and we start.

Every boss is almost a wipe, with your thief guildmate standing far away from us and going pew-pew, but it’s okay. It’s a casual run. No one is mad, no one is upset. We’re all laughing and having a decent time. The another warrior is calmly explaining what to do next to the ranger. The ranger listens and asks why he should pick up my ice bow. We talk through things. But nothing ever from you guys. Anything we ask you is met with silence.

We get to the last fight with Subject Alpha. We try to stack by the boxes, but the two of you decide to stand and range from opposite corners. The warrior explains that by staying close to each other, our AoEs will break anyone caught in a crystal. Halfway through her explanation, she’s gone. Instantly kicked by you two. Our ranger is appalled. He’s obviously here to learn from a casual run, and now his teacher is gone. And he’s gone too. And then me. All of us kicked at the end. After spending over an hour with you guys, you kick the pugs that carry you.

TL;DR: Joined a casual run, laid back, patiently carried with a pug, both of us got kicked by the two guildies at the end.

Never doing a run with the description “anyone welcome” again, casuals are worse than “elitists” at kicking. At least elitists have a clear guideline on kicking in their description. Also, “Dungeon Master” is a worthless title, anyone with it should feel bad.

Well you should try some Arah anyone welcome, I like to do that sometimes with a friend with unwanted classes (ranger / necro). It’s so fun to see pugs fails at every single skip I wonder what they’re thinking when they see ranger and necro carrying them

But yeah kicking people at the end of a dungeon is just lame…..

Hopefully you reported both those guys.

I don’t feel bad about kicking people who don’t bother to read my lfg description, or answer simple questions. However, kicking someone after using them to get through a dungeon is beyond despicable.

I will not argue that what happened to you classifies as antisocial behaviour. Simply because it does.

However I wouldn’t link it to the “dungeon master” title or the “all welcome” description. You just had the bad luck to draw two individuals that lack certain social graces.
Yes, it is frustrating and annoying, but that doesn’t link necessarily two those two criteria.

Pibriamal.8719:

Also, “Dungeon Master” is a worthless title, anyone with it should feel bad.

Indeed, everyone knows that Volunteer is vastly superior!

Zorby.8236:

Pibriamal.8719:

Also, “Dungeon Master” is a worthless title, anyone with it should feel bad.

Indeed, everyone knows that Volunteer is vastly superior!

Combat healer takes the cake imo.

I’ll forever sport my emperor title.

As for OP, that’s awful. Those folks should be ashamed of themselves. Unfortunately there’s not much to be done… but as usual the best thing you can do to prevent these sort of mishaps is open the dungeon yourself. Perhaps your “anyone welcome” parties would live up to their description where the others have failed.

Nothing is safe.
Create a party or join super elitist parties, at least they kick your at entrance not in the middle.
I wish this post your would become sticky.

Dungeon Master and Combat Healer.

Nothing makes me ask are you going to use that bow/signet/weapon faster than those two titles.

To be fair I kick whenever I desire.

I actually still use the combat healer title on my guardian. Was the first I got and it kind of stuck.

Edit: And I just realised after logging in, I actually changed it a little while ago. Yay me for false intel.

Your story was very well written and entertaining, tat least!

@OP

That sucks man. I always run “Any Welcome” LFGs and generally (not always) end up with a kitten or two. Just last night had 2 level 61s in AC, and one guy wanted to kick them, or have them switch to 80s. I told him no, and he ended up leaving. But yeah, thats the big problem with pugs. It’s a gamble at best, sometime you win, other times you get kicked.

Silberfisch.3046:

However I wouldn’t link it to the “dungeon master” title or the “all welcome” description. You just had the bad luck to draw two individuals that lack certain social graces.
Yes, it is frustrating and annoying, but that doesn’t link necessarily two those two criteria.

Yup, that’s what I was going to say.

This is why I don’t really pug CoE anymore! Especially not path 1, I remember so many botched 1-4 attempts on the golems that fail because one person couldn’t read or communicate with us and would just call more and more golems on us until we were forced to wipe against them every time

That coupled with the frequent golem glitches before they fixed it turned me off of the place.

I’ve had some really bad subject alpha experiences too, mostly on either the first one of the dungeon where its harder to position him in a good area, or the last one in p2, especially if your group doesn’t have enough DPS to break the crystals in time..

And thats a shame because with a good group its a really fun dungeon!

The definition of Pugging: a means of starting a party to attempt particular content in an online game in which you trade the expectation of having a fun and rewarding experience for the convenience of starting faster.

Everything that’s wrong with PUG’ing in this game starts with the inability for people to communicate with one another. Whenever you join a PUG it feels like everyone is there to handle their business with the less possible contact made with their group.

My sample size is a bit small as most of my PUG’ing happens through the PUG adventures activities I take part in with my guildmates and even then this lack of communication is very noticeable especially in CoF P1 when we’re planning on FGS’ing the final boss and the pick-ups rush off to the middle and start whacking it.

I think it was GMB that said it: Pugging is like Russian roulette, only all the chambers in the gun are loaded.

In-game voice would be a great way to solve the bad communication and would improve ones chances of finding like minded people to add the friend list.

I get surprised with some sociopaths that i meet in game. For example the heitred one, i met a lot of people that were friends of him and kept defending him when i told that he killed my arah instance a few times and has been doing it with everyone, but no, they said he is a nice guy, that he teaches newbies in his arah guild on how to run arah, there was even that other player atse in this forum defending him too, saying that its was probably the victim’s fault for being kicked from their instance.

Its really shocking seen this kind of behaviour, and seeing people defending these crazy sociopaths just because they are likable people.

My sympathies to you, OP, but I would also join the others in saying that not all “casual runs” are like that. I’ve been in some “casual runs” with guild groups who were, indeed, extremely casual, fun and just a little bit goofy. In my last PUG Fractal run, we got Maw as the final Fractal, and for whatever reason, Maw kept on targeting my Charr. -_- We all joked that Maw has a taste for Charr flesh.

The final irony? At the final blast, my Charr was the only one stuck without a crystal (again, he got targeted by Maw so my thrown crystal was the last one to get him down.) I joked that Maw was so adamant on killing my Charr one way or another that he suicided himself to get me dead.

Bad people is bad people. You can find them in “casual runs” or “elitist runs”. You can’t put every casual or every elitist in the same bad attitude section. Sometimes you’ll find awesome players (like the hunter that you said) and sometimes bad people (like that 2 guys from the guild).

sorry that it happened, but keep trying and you’ll find some good peeps. Most of my friends are from pugs, i remember them at 1k AP casual runs and now they got 5k AP and i play with them often or almost daily. There’s great people around.

Whenever I run a dungeon, I form with the “all welcome” title all the time. What the Op describes isn’t the typical experience with utter randoms.

In general, whenever I form an all welcome group (and yes, I do it for CoE as well), I get the following, not including myself:
2 to 3 experienced players who run meta builds and just don’t care for the wait
1 to 2 completely new players who are just glad that there’s an LFG that’ll take them.

And from the start, the two new guys are immediately subservient to me and the other experienced members of the party, following directions and listening to what we have to say. It helps that I open the dungeon with “O.K. now, is there anyone who is new to this dungeon, or anyone who does not know what to do?”, then wait a bit for their timid “yes”.

There are a few exceptions to this rule, and that is when forming Arah, HotW P2 or P3, CoF p3, or TA Aether path. In those paths, I always get 3 to 4 new players, and maybe 1 experienced guy to help me out. Those dungeons tend to be longer and grueling, since I have to stop and lecture before every single challenge.

It is quite rare to get someone who doesn’t fully listen or cooperate. This is mostly because, for a newb to preferentially join the “all welcome” group, they have to acknowledge somehow that they are inadequate for other runs or titles. This self awareness really contributes to the creative and open minded aspects of a player. In contrast, the guys who don’t listen, don’t communicate, and don’t cooperate don’t have a particular preference for joining LFGs, so by sheer statistical probability alone, they’ll be joining the couple of “P1-3 SPEEDLCEAR zerk meta build ping gear” hanging around than my group.

Granted, newbs can be frustrating to deal with themselves, since if you gather enough of them they’ll get spectator syndrome and assume that the crucial, tactical movements necessary to complete a challenge should be handled by someone else. But after a wipe or two and some specifically directed harassment they fall in line.

Though it’s completely terrible and inexcusable that they kicked you, you have no reason to blame them or laugh at them for playing however they want in a casual run and even less for using a title.
Those are not a typical example of a “casual”.

I have notice a trend of bad players being kittens recently. The PuGs I have joined recently don’t talk when you’re trying to start a conversation, get mad when you try to explain a boss “you think this is my first time”, kick at the end because you finished the boss without res’ing him, rage quit and destroy the instance.

I am done, I rather solo/duo than deal with that one more time, the only reason I was joining those group was to help/teach them anyway.

Dungeon Master used to mean something, before the Simin nerf. Maybe some people here thought she was easy in her original form but I didn’t. I wish I had enough time to do that fight before they made her easier, was only able to try it a few times and people kept wanting to try and cheese the fight with the 4/1 trick instead of just learning how to properly run sparks.

i’m a casual, and almost always put “all welcome” in the LFG ad, yet i’ve literally only kicked 3 people in my entire game experience (one was afk on purpose for half the dungeon because he apparently needed to reskin his gear, other two for refusing to revive the others because we “weren’t pro enough”…….ironic, because one of them died in the same fight the rest of us died in, yet that person got a revive) , so doesn’t seem fully fair to judge all casuals the same way because you came across one bad group. based on what you say happened though, maybe they thought they could sell the run. this has happened to alot of people i know, where they get to the final boss, and two in the group kick everybody else, and lo and behold, a minute later “X dungeon, PX for sale, X gold”. selling CoE seems a bit silly though, so dunno
Edit: i also have Dungeon Master as a title for one of my toons, but only because i don’t like any of the other titles i have atm for that toon to use

Uh. I just need to say: most kicks are not for selling the slot. Like… seriously. They aren’t. Please don’t spread misinformation. Most guild kicks are for getting other guildies in. That’s because people have a loyalty toward their guild members and not toward a pug who may or may not be a good player. It has to do with the groups mentality.

Also, what you said about “not all casual parties are like that” is true, however the same can be said about speed run parties, full clear parties, noob parties, but each of then are going to have their bad apples. What I always recommend is to start your own darn party. People will join you. Start your own instance and people can’t kick you. And generally it’s the party starter that sets the mood of the party. So start your happy fun parties, like I do, and I promise you you’ll have more fun than joining another party.

@Lilith ^ wasn’t trying to, sorry if it came across as that, i was simply stating MY experiences, and my friends, that is all. it is true that most kicks are not for selling the slot, i and my friends just get the bad luck of finding those runs XD

Okay, yeah. I just didn’t want people to start spreading that myth again. The whole dungeon sellers kicked their party to sell it. It really upsets me, because the more people vilify dungeon sellers, the more of them get griefed and I hate hearing how bad white knights are hurting my exceptionally talented friends.

/meowyawn