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Posted by: ike.3028

ike.3028

How are we supposed to run Arah Explorable (specially Lupicus) with these new WP mechanic? I mean, it’s kitten Path 3 its easy, but doing Path 1 and 2 will be a pain in the kitten now..

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Posted by: Writetyper.1985

Writetyper.1985

You run back on lupi? Good, now you’re actually getting punished for not being able to fight him properly. Don’t try and take on a boss you’re not ready for if you can’t, WP zerging is a crutch and now it’s been removed you can’t rely on it to make up for your mistakes/poor play.

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Posted by: haviz.1340

haviz.1340

How are they different?

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Posted by: ike.3028

ike.3028

Poor play? Wtf are you talking about? In every god kitten PuG at least one person dies in that fight. You are over punishing players who can’t spent all day preparing for Arah.

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Posted by: haviz.1340

haviz.1340

Poor play? Wtf are you talking about? In every god kitten PuG at least one person dies in that fight. You are over punishing players who can’t spent all day preparing for Arah.

It’s poor play because those people won’t stop before the fight and think “Do you really need your current traits/weapons/utility skills?”. If you keep dieing maybe it’s time to change you current setup.

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Posted by: Writetyper.1985

Writetyper.1985

Poor play? Wtf are you talking about? In every god kitten PuG at least one person dies in that fight. You are over punishing players who can’t spent all day preparing for Arah.

How is having decent gear and having played the game for long enough to be able to dodge/recognize attack patterns/listen to someone who’s done it before “spending all day preparing for Arah”?

Also if you pug and they’re terrible, you’re doing it to yourself. If you pug the hardest dungeon in the game and someone can’t keep up, then you only have yourself to blame.

Don’t take this as a personal attack, mind. It’s like if someone wanted to enter the pro starcraft scene and they’d never played an RTS before, they’re obviously not ready but you’re claiming they should get some kind of crutch that lets them get there. It’s not a personal attack, it’s a fact – if you can’t do arah, then you shouldn’t be able to rely on a blatant and broken crutch (waypoint zerging) to finish something that normally they wouldn’t be able to do (because they’re not able to dodge lupi’s attacks).

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Posted by: DeathPanel.8362

DeathPanel.8362

Poor play? Wtf are you talking about? In every god kitten PuG at least one person dies in that fight. You are over punishing players who can’t spent all day preparing for Arah.

How is having decent gear and having played the game for long enough to be able to dodge/recognize attack patterns/listen to someone who’s done it before “spending all day preparing for Arah”?

Also if you pug and they’re terrible, you’re doing it to yourself. If you pug the hardest dungeon in the game and someone can’t keep up, then you only have yourself to blame.

Don’t take this as a personal attack, mind. It’s like if someone wanted to enter the pro starcraft scene and they’d never played an RTS before, they’re obviously not ready but you’re claiming they should get some kind of crutch that lets them get there. It’s not a personal attack, it’s a fact – if you can’t do arah, then you shouldn’t be able to rely on a blatant and broken crutch (waypoint zerging) to finish something that normally they wouldn’t be able to do (because they’re not able to dodge lupi’s attacks).

You can’t expect every person in a pub team to know what they are doing all the time, and if you overly punish that then you are just hurting everyone else in that team as well and end up making everyone frustrated and waste their time.

ANet needs to balance their dungeons on pub teams, not on guild teams with voip since pub teams make up like 90%+ of all the teams on average players plays in.

The same pub team that could beat certain dungeons previously with some difficulty is now unable to thanks to this patch, and all that will create is frustration and more casual players dropping this game.

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Posted by: Stigma.7869

Stigma.7869

as one person stated already…

this marks the death of the PUGs and gw2lfg.com

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Posted by: Malediktus.9250

Malediktus.9250

They should make lupicus harder, I rarely see people dieing there, let alone wiping completly.

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Posted by: holloweaver.7460

holloweaver.7460

Poor play? Wtf are you talking about? In every god kitten PuG at least one person dies in that fight. You are over punishing players who can’t spent all day preparing for Arah.

How is having decent gear and having played the game for long enough to be able to dodge/recognize attack patterns/listen to someone who’s done it before “spending all day preparing for Arah”?

Also if you pug and they’re terrible, you’re doing it to yourself. If you pug the hardest dungeon in the game and someone can’t keep up, then you only have yourself to blame.

Don’t take this as a personal attack, mind. It’s like if someone wanted to enter the pro starcraft scene and they’d never played an RTS before, they’re obviously not ready but you’re claiming they should get some kind of crutch that lets them get there. It’s not a personal attack, it’s a fact – if you can’t do arah, then you shouldn’t be able to rely on a blatant and broken crutch (waypoint zerging) to finish something that normally they wouldn’t be able to do (because they’re not able to dodge lupi’s attacks).

And this is exactly the problem as this new patch discourages even more teamplay.
It’s even more about solo builds who can handle themselves on their own and rely on no teamplay.
Let me requote you again :

(…)
Also if you pug and they’re terrible, you’re doing it to yourself. If you pug the hardest dungeon in the game and someone can’t keep up, then you only have yourself to blame.

Don’t take this as a personal attack, mind. It’s like if someone wanted to enter the pro starcraft scene and they’d never played an RTS before, they’re obviously not ready but you’re claiming they should get some kind of crutch that lets them get there. It’s not a personal attack, it’s a fact – if you can’t do arah, then you shouldn’t be able to rely on a blatant and broken crutch (waypoint zerging) to finish something that normally they wouldn’t be able to do (because they’re not able to dodge lupi’s attacks).

I’m still not clearly understanding the definition of “something that players wouldn’t normally be able to do”… applied to a mmo playable to all.

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Posted by: DancingPenguins.9875

DancingPenguins.9875

Poor play? Wtf are you talking about? In every god kitten PuG at least one person dies in that fight. You are over punishing players who can’t spent all day preparing for Arah.

How is having decent gear and having played the game for long enough to be able to dodge/recognize attack patterns/listen to someone who’s done it before “spending all day preparing for Arah”?

Also if you pug and they’re terrible, you’re doing it to yourself. If you pug the hardest dungeon in the game and someone can’t keep up, then you only have yourself to blame.

Don’t take this as a personal attack, mind. It’s like if someone wanted to enter the pro starcraft scene and they’d never played an RTS before, they’re obviously not ready but you’re claiming they should get some kind of crutch that lets them get there. It’s not a personal attack, it’s a fact – if you can’t do arah, then you shouldn’t be able to rely on a blatant and broken crutch (waypoint zerging) to finish something that normally they wouldn’t be able to do (because they’re not able to dodge lupi’s attacks).

And this is exactly the problem as this new patch discourages even more teamplay.
It’s even more about solo builds who can handle themselves on their own and rely on no teamplay.
Let me requote you again :

(…)
Also if you pug and they’re terrible, you’re doing it to yourself. If you pug the hardest dungeon in the game and someone can’t keep up, then you only have yourself to blame.

Don’t take this as a personal attack, mind. It’s like if someone wanted to enter the pro starcraft scene and they’d never played an RTS before, they’re obviously not ready but you’re claiming they should get some kind of crutch that lets them get there. It’s not a personal attack, it’s a fact – if you can’t do arah, then you shouldn’t be able to rely on a blatant and broken crutch (waypoint zerging) to finish something that normally they wouldn’t be able to do (because they’re not able to dodge lupi’s attacks).

I’m still not clearly understanding the definition of “something that players wouldn’t normally be able to do”… applied to a mmo playable to all.

It’s actually about not having to carry people who have no business being there in the first place.

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Posted by: Dante.1508

Dante.1508

Honestly now what is the point of bothering to do this much hassle to get 60 tokens?

Reward should equal the risk…

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Posted by: obal.3218

obal.3218

I did two runs so far with 2-4 people in the group with little or no experience and we got through it just fine. I welcome the challenge. I bet this update will make Wethospu happy since he probably won’t have to run after lupi quite as much.

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Posted by: DancingPenguins.9875

DancingPenguins.9875

I did two runs so far with 2-4 people in the group with little or no experience and we got through it just fine. I welcome the challenge. I bet this update will make Wethospu happy since he probably won’t have to run after lupi quite as much.

What changed, if anything.