Guild Wars 2

Not only is this dungeon long as hell, the High priestess of Dwayna fight is impossible. The sparks wont go into the circles. Instead, it keeps attacking nearby player minions instead of following you when you attack it. The healing regen on the boss is way too fast. Nice job Anet, I just wasted 4 hours only to face this cr*p.

Cows goes moo.5960:

Not only is this dungeon long as hell, the High priestess of Dwayna fight is impossible. The sparks wont go into the circles. Instead, it keeps attacking nearby player minions instead of following you when you attack it. The healing regen on the boss is way too fast. Nice job Anet, I just wasted 4 hours only to face this cr*p.

So from your post I make up you’ve only done this run once. Yes, the sparks are annoying, but once you figure out their aggro pattern it’s really easy.

I guess he thinks it’s bugged, lol. Kill minions during this phase is so bad?
Minions behave like humans. You can see it during the Giganticus fight, and the grubs spawning on their feet. (I’m a necro permanently MM, so..)

How many people have tried and failed to get tokens out of Arah since the last update?
And how many people still think it isn’t hard enough? Seriously, it’s not good enough to have max gears, and can’t blame it all on player skill or the lack thereof.

Was with a group that failed Giaganticus battle. One hit from his AOE’s downs me and i probably won’t be able to get back up. Pretty hard to dodge those red circles he spawns so much of it all at once! Can’t say that we were really doing anything wrong, never even got close to the half-way point, just reset after reset!

Seer’s path is WAY too hard to finish. Dwayna in particular is absolutely ridiculous. The sparks waltz over an empty node 3 times before they finally settle. The run was over 5 hours and we never finished it. We watched Youtube videos (even the YouTube poster failed….), tried different strategies, everything we could think of. Such a waste of time. And if we did finikitten, I probably would have got less than 60 tokens for all that work. I got 6 first Warden run, then 15 second run, and now I can’t finish Seer path. Way to go Anet. Bugs and impossible bosses. You really wanted to make sure that we can’t get ANY Arah gear. Multiple runs, 15+ hours, and I have 21 tokens. I waited so long for this game to come out; I’ve never been so disappointed in a game in my life. Ever.

I know I am a bit far from the topic, but how did you kill the avatar of Melandru ? We had a try with a not so bad pug, we were unable to kill it :
Trees are insanely hard and long to kill, which causes more green things to appear and bump/poison.
Also, the worst thing was, though we did not wipe, the boss kept resetting, regaining full health …
Is there anything we got wrong ? Or is it a bug ?

Corrupted priestess of dwayna is bugged right now.
You can check out this video if you are not certain:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OOEkzd61lAc

I have spent 1,5 hours fighting this boss without any progress.
The boss is killable. When you fight her for 2,5 hours eventually you can kill her (so im told).

Dont matter if you cant kill boss at all due to bug or if it takes 2,5 hours to kill him. Both cases are bad design and it needs to get fixed.

People were in stoned form the whole duration, guardian should’ve been on tear duty. The ranger should’ve been on the back right spark and then getting out, his pet was a constant slowing factor in their spark phase. I think maybe 1 time I saw some people in position for sparks or leave before she went invisible. So yes, if you do that fight like this it is going to take you a long time.

Edit: Also having people stoned during spark transition cannot happen. The sparks are going to just stick to that person once they get near him and she will spend more time healing.

Arena need to fix this boss… Sparks or regen… but need a fix

The problem with this boss is you aren’t doing the puzzle properly and it took em an hour to figure it out, however, you just gotta have the full team doing his puzzle right and all specced for pure power to power him down and it shouldn’t be too big of a deal. (I did accidentally reset at this guy trying to kick leavers and left on accident on him or I would have a vid of me beating him) game needs an are you sure you want to leave since you are the party leader option, this happened the run before I got screwed, potentially being screwed twice on rewards.

Lucas Ashrock.8675:

I guess he thinks it’s bugged, lol. Kill minions during this phase is so bad?
Minions behave like humans. You can see it during the Giganticus fight, and the grubs spawning on their feet. (I’m a necro permanently MM, so..)

I never said it was bugged – just nigh high hard as ****. the ranger’s pets r ele summons keep aggroing the sparks. We already figured the pattern of the fight in 5 mins, but the fight lasted over 1 hour until eventually we gave up.

Starlink.6248:

Arena need to fix this boss… Sparks or regen… but need a fix

I agree. Fix this fight, no way in hell this is correct. 3 hrs on this boss alone, and the group just gave up.

Well, it’s not impossible,
Just very challenging.

Well idk what we did wrong but when we did it, every time she went to 50% health she would go invisible no matter what her current health was at the time. her health just did not go past 50%. so my guild group i did it with insisted it was bugged and so will not go into arah path 4 again till it is “fixed”

After the last patch we couldnt kill here with the invisible glitch anymore, so we tried the correct mechanic. It took us 4-5 tries because a spark was often roaming without filling his spot, but we did it in less then 20 mins, I really dont know how this can take 5 hours.

Edit: the only big problem I can see here is a big lack of dps in the team and bad coordination, if you keep trying you’ll make it, the spark doesnt always bug.

ragingpuma.4618:

Well idk what we did wrong but when we did it, every time she went to 50% health she would go invisible no matter what her current health was at the time. her health just did not go past 50%. so my guild group i did it with insisted it was bugged and so will not go into arah path 4 again till it is “fixed”

sounds like bad dps.

Simin first uses her heal at 50% however there after she uses it based on a cooldown it’s your job to kill her before she hides a second time, and yes it’s possible.
Bring warriors with greatswords, you want have any issues with dmg.

Lorana.2468:

sounds like bad dps.

Simin first uses her heal at 50% however there after she uses it based on a cooldown it’s your job to kill her before she hides a second time, and yes it’s possible.
Bring warriors with greatswords, you want have any issues with dmg.

I thought she stealths on random timer. At least those are my feelings after fightning her few times. Sometimes its 10s, sometimes 20s.

Well we finished it today. Had an ele, warrior,ranger, and two thieves by dps out of him after Simin appears right at 50% using the 4-1 spark method. Took us 3 tries to do it.
1st time to 20%
2nd time to 5% -barely had any health left.
Finally did it on 3rd try. Love d/d and conjure flame longsword w/food,potion, and that 10% bonus dmg against undead sigil, along w/buffs,etc.

It’s hard & challenging, but doable. Probably have to respec ur character depending on what role you play. Also know how to kite the sparks to their corresponding spots which involves some strategy. Also find a spot to fight where U won’t interfere w/ spark runners

If you kill her in one go after she became visible again, it is not challenging, you simply need damage. If you do not have that much damage, you have to time the spark pull really well, that one might be considered a little bit more difficult, but it just requires experience/training to get the spark pulls perfect every time.

i would love some nerf at path 1 and 4 of Arah!those paths are so long and frastrating that noones does them,even with a desent group.

The sparks are very very buggy. They will leesh and loose agro, completely ignore their “homes”, and not to mention the thing bugs out to where it shows ALL slots as being filled up even when they aren’t. You can see posts from 3 months ago talking about this very same thing.

Yeah….the encounter is actually really easy. The buggy system makes it hard. You can beat a buggy encounter, that doesn’t make it a working encounter.

Lust.6452:

i would love some nerf at path 1 and 4 of Arah!those paths are so long and frastrating that noones does them,even with a desent group.

Path 1 isn’t being done because it’s long but because it lacks waypoint after tar boss and it’s very easy to not get credits for completion.

BUTTERBLUME.3217:

If you kill her in one go after she became visible again, it is not challenging, you simply need damage. If you do not have that much damage, you have to time the spark pull really well, that one might be considered a little bit more difficult, but it just requires experience/training to get the spark pulls perfect every time.

What I meant by challenging is that you really need To know your class to provide the power/support not only for yourself, but towards to better your party. Don’t know about the other classes, but this is what I did as an ele
- leader and cant respect, 20/0/0/30/20
-d/d with the usual ring of fire & healing support ( did tears to unstone party too)
-conjure flame weapon and burning sigil
-food, potions of undead, and sigil of undead

With all the power gear, using conjure flame weapon, food, and banner from warrior, my power equals to around 2400. And that is not counting 20% extra DMG against undead, vulnerability stack to max, Might stack b/t me and warrior, fury or crit strikes from you or party (thieves, etc), confusion, and even time warp from Mesmer.
So there it is possible to just dps Simin down if everyone knows what role they play. But if u do the 4-1 spark and can only dps her to around 10%, u can still try to get sparks back in b4 she goes back to 1st phase.

Stridix.4260:

- leader and cant respect, 20/0/0/30/20

Why did you say you couldn’t respec? You can leave the instance for about 10-15 minutes. It’s more than enough to respec.

haviz.1340:

Stridix.4260:

- leader and cant respect, 20/0/0/30/20

Why did you say you couldn’t respec? You can leave the instance for about 10-15 minutes. It’s more than enough to respec.

Dunno. I think I started the dungeon on my server and if I exit it will kick everyone out. That is what someone said and I didnt want to risk wasting another hour or two to get to Simin again. Maybe you are right.

Stridix.4260:

haviz.1340:

Stridix.4260:

- leader and cant respect, 20/0/0/30/20

Why did you say you couldn’t respec? You can leave the instance for about 10-15 minutes. It’s more than enough to respec.

Dunno. I think I started the dungeon on my server and if I exit it will kick everyone out. That is what someone said and I didnt want to risk wasting another hour or two to get to Simin again. Maybe you are right.

It won’t kick. But you have to be back before 10-15 minutes (never checked how much exactly).

swiftpaw.6397:

Well, it’s not impossible,
Just very challenging.

there’s a difference between challenging and “requiring everyone to push max dps”.

i’m a tanky guardian. that’s my thing. that’s how i choose to play and i don’t play long enough to have a dedicated glass cannon dps set.

so why am i being punished for my choices? isn’t this game supposed to be about freedom? about choosing what you want to be?

wasn’t this game about throwing off the chains of min-maxing? about getting rid of holy trinity to prevent those “need heal last spot” shouts?

well, no one’s shouting for healer, however, you can’t swing a cat in path 4 without everyone shouting “only accepting true DDs. no support please”.

how is this different? are we getting rid of healers and tanks just so that kids could play dodge style glass-cannons only?

are you serious??

Twill.6217:

swiftpaw.6397:

Well, it’s not impossible,
Just very challenging.

there’s a difference between challenging and “requiring everyone to push max dps”.

i’m a tanky guardian. that’s my thing. that’s how i choose to play and i don’t play long enough to have a dedicated glass cannon dps set.

so why am i being punished for my choices? isn’t this game supposed to be about freedom? about choosing what you want to be?

wasn’t this game about throwing off the chains of min-maxing? about getting rid of holy trinity to prevent those “need heal last spot” shouts?

well, no one’s shouting for healer, however, you can’t swing a cat in path 4 without everyone shouting “only accepting true DDs. no support please”.

how is this different? are we getting rid of healers and tanks just so that kids could play dodge style glass-cannons only?

are you serious??

Well guessing guardians never have to take the flak in fractals. We light armor are always taking the flak for being too squishy or not enough armor and stuff. So I guess u met ur match on this run like I do in fotm sometimes

Guardians might not be dps, but I think they have to switch role of doing tears and pulling sparks, something guards rarely expected to do in fights.

Twill.6217:

swiftpaw.6397:

Well, it’s not impossible,
Just very challenging.

there’s a difference between challenging and “requiring everyone to push max dps”.

i’m a tanky guardian. that’s my thing. that’s how i choose to play and i don’t play long enough to have a dedicated glass cannon dps set.

so why am i being punished for my choices? isn’t this game supposed to be about freedom? about choosing what you want to be?

wasn’t this game about throwing off the chains of min-maxing? about getting rid of holy trinity to prevent those “need heal last spot” shouts?

well, no one’s shouting for healer, however, you can’t swing a cat in path 4 without everyone shouting “only accepting true DDs. no support please”.

how is this different? are we getting rid of healers and tanks just so that kids could play dodge style glass-cannons only?

are you serious??

I dont feel punished for my choice tbh, my guardian isn’t DPS spec, I run toughness vitality setup and had no issue with this boss. The way around low dps in a team, for this fight, is being fast with the sparks. It’s not impossible. In fact there were 2 guardians in my team for that run, the other guardian also ran tank spec. That’s just plain silly to say because you’re tank setup means you cant do this boss at all.

Token.6501:

How many people have tried and failed to get tokens out of Arah since the last update?
And how many people still think it isn’t hard enough? Seriously, it’s not good enough to have max gears, and can’t blame it all on player skill or the lack thereof.

Was with a group that failed Giaganticus battle. One hit from his AOE’s downs me and i probably won’t be able to get back up. Pretty hard to dodge those red circles he spawns so much of it all at once! Can’t say that we were really doing anything wrong, never even got close to the half-way point, just reset after reset!

If you’re getting hit by the AOE, you are, by definition, doing something wrong. I never die to his AOE, and my groups usually do the entire fight without getting hit.

I just finished this path with my guild, first time for everyone and we didn’t read anything before going in there.
The whole path took us 2h40, Simin alone took 40 minutes of constant bursting and learning how to effectively kite our sparks (each player in charge of his spark while I did 2 because one player was constantly petrified).

The fight is all in the spark management, define and order, define a strategy but don’t let things go out of hand.
Place your spark, don’t come close others then get the kitten out and let the others and the others only do their job, they will learn.

Once it’s done, burst her, really. We could do maybe 30-35% each time, the amount of damage you can deal in the time before she stealths defines the time you have to gather the sparks.

Tooks us about 30 spark runs, and maybe 10-12 time warps.

The things I would change:
- making the spark follow its first target and never change
- reduce the boss’ healing or make her appear for longer
- increase her damage A LOT, there’s zero threat in the actual version
- make the petrification something you can actually dodge instead of targeting the same player randomly the whole fight

Really enjoyable dungeon, makes me wonder why the other ones didn’t get so much attention.

Soooooo many bad players in this game. I honestly think this community is worse than wow’s. I know for a fact i never puged with so many bad players as I have in this game. This topic is proof positive of it.

I have my Dm title since the second week of launch and beat her without full exotic gear or weapons. if some people can beat it and you cant, guess what, it isnt the fight. its you. Your NOT VERY GOOD.

Ruien.9506:

Your NOT VERY GOOD.

Our not very good? What does that even mean?

Ruien.9506:

Soooooo many bad players in this game. I honestly think this community is worse than wow’s. I know for a fact i never puged with so many bad players as I have in this game. This topic is proof positive of it.

I have my Dm title since the second week of launch and beat her without full exotic gear or weapons. if some people can beat it and you cant, guess what, it isnt the fight. its you. Your NOT VERY GOOD.

try simin now without full exotic, I DARE you. She can no longer be damaged both before she goes invisible (for like 3s before, and she also starts healing then) and the entire time that she is invisible. You can’t even do the leave 1 prison open trick anymore, that’s also “fixed”.

I have my DM title too but I also got it before they “fixed” Simin.

The group that I tried it with today was doing as much dps as possible and getting the sparks back in within 10s and without fail she would reinvis at 50%. I’m just glad I was an alt. My bud who was there originally was one of the unfortunate few who were stuck in there for 7h.

randomfightfan.4091:

You can’t even do the leave 1 prison open trick anymore, that’s also “fixed”.

Wait, what? The 4-1 spark thing got “fixed”? Please elaborate.

Does she not destealth at 100% -OR- does she require 5 sparks to destealth every time now?

randomfightfan.4091:

Ruien.9506:

Soooooo many bad players in this game. I honestly think this community is worse than wow’s. I know for a fact i never puged with so many bad players as I have in this game. This topic is proof positive of it.

I have my Dm title since the second week of launch and beat her without full exotic gear or weapons. if some people can beat it and you cant, guess what, it isnt the fight. its you. Your NOT VERY GOOD.

try simin now without full exotic, I DARE you. She can no longer be damaged both before she goes invisible (for like 3s before, and she also starts healing then) and the entire time that she is invisible. You can’t even do the leave 1 prison open trick anymore, that’s also “fixed”.

I have my DM title too but I also got it before they “fixed” Simin.

The group that I tried it with today was doing as much dps as possible and getting the sparks back in within 10s and without fail she would reinvis at 50%. I’m just glad I was an alt. My bud who was there originally was one of the unfortunate few who were stuck in there for 7h.

A friend joined a random group and they did it. So i guess it’s possible.

Iehova.9518:

randomfightfan.4091:

You can’t even do the leave 1 prison open trick anymore, that’s also “fixed”.

Wait, what? The 4-1 spark thing got “fixed”? Please elaborate.

Does she not destealth at 100% -OR- does she require 5 sparks to destealth every time now?

she does destealth at 100%, however, after you get her to 50% again you will still need to bring in all the sparks instead of just that 1. Idk why it happens but the prisons reset every time she goes invis.

haviz.1340:

randomfightfan.4091:

Ruien.9506:

Soooooo many bad players in this game. I honestly think this community is worse than wow’s. I know for a fact i never puged with so many bad players as I have in this game. This topic is proof positive of it.

I have my Dm title since the second week of launch and beat her without full exotic gear or weapons. if some people can beat it and you cant, guess what, it isnt the fight. its you. Your NOT VERY GOOD.

try simin now without full exotic, I DARE you. She can no longer be damaged both before she goes invisible (for like 3s before, and she also starts healing then) and the entire time that she is invisible. You can’t even do the leave 1 prison open trick anymore, that’s also “fixed”.

I have my DM title too but I also got it before they “fixed” Simin.

The group that I tried it with today was doing as much dps as possible and getting the sparks back in within 10s and without fail she would reinvis at 50%. I’m just glad I was an alt. My bud who was there originally was one of the unfortunate few who were stuck in there for 7h.

A friend joined a random group and they did it. So i guess it’s possible.

didn’t get any progress done there. One guy in the original group was a dbag and started kicking everyone (idk who kept confirming the kick, prob his friend) including guys who were in the dungeon with him for the full 7h.

Robert Hrouda.1327:

Our QA group was able to do this, but I have received many reports about her healing while stealthed being way too high. I’ll ask our QA to give it another pass with different characters/builds to see how they fare.

I implore you, do not nerf her. She is completely aligned with how difficult explorable mode is supposed to be. She only takes 5-10min to kill with an organized group, which is what you should aim for when we are talking about encounters with complex mechanics. She is one of the best boss fights in the game and many people want to see her difficulty and complexity in other parts of the game as well. Nerfing her would not be a good decision, as the Dungeon Master achievement would lose perhaps its biggest individual challenge, reducing the prestige of it further.

People who can’t handle her are very much welcome to farm the other paths for the tokens. As far as achievements go, they should be reserved for those who actually have the patience and dedication to actually achieve said things.

We finished this dungeon last Saturday. Took us over 1 hour to figure out Simin.

Stuff we found useful for our team:
- You can dodge petrify debuff. Watch the other debuff’s countdown (I forgot the name). When it reaches 0, dodge.
- We did a “4 -1 pull” on spark. After my friend pulled the 3 sparks and just past the center to go to the left spark on the south side, I would then bring the spark on me to the middle. I was very cautious not to aggro the other sparks. When we finally killed Simin, I think we had to pull the sparks 3 times (iirc). On our successful try, if I had timewarp after the first pull, it may have gone better.
- We tried a “3 – 2 pull” on sparks as well but I kept “aggroing” the other sparks. We found it much easier for us to do a “4 – 1 pull”.
- A “5 – 0” pull was too slow for us.
- Also, we had 3 members hitting Simin while she was on stealth – warrior, thief, ranger. I did hit it before going for my spark but as a mesmer without Illusion at that phase, I can’t say that I did any damage on it.

Robert Hrouda.1327:

Our QA group was able to do this, but I have received many reports about her healing while stealthed being way too high. I’ll ask our QA to give it another pass with different characters/builds to see how they fare.

I believe the sparks threat management, their behavior with pets, their interactions with traps etc. are all far more fundamental problems than how much the boss heals.

Simin is a poorly designed encounter because the mechanics themselves are so frikkle, not because the boss is somehow hard.

The problem is that she no longer takes damage in stealth but still heals a lot while in stealth. This causes issues for certain party setups that aren’t geared towards high DPS or professions who are of medium damage output, regardless of how well you do with the sparks.

You just can’t get enough DPS in to outweigh the health healed + some extra. She just needs to heal a little bit less while stealthed and it should be fine. No issues with sparks whatsoever. It’s just a balancing issue, fight mechanics are great.

I spent 2 hours with a pretty good party and couldn’t kill that boss. That regen is insane. That said, we were doing it for the 1st time i can’t expect much. I’m not gonna cry for a nerf, I agree some content should be reserved for hardcore well coordinated parties. If you tell me that it can be done as it is now, that is enough for me.

P.S. Any advice on tactics, group composition to make this happen?

If you want to do this boss, get 3 full dps wars and 2 mesmers with time warp. I was lucky enough to find a group the other day on gw2lfg that had been in there for hours (i believe they said 8-9) and were up to this boss and were looking for a dps heavy war which i happen to be.

They were fighting her in the cave and prior to engaging we stacked about 30-40 tears against the wall where us 3 warriors would stay to prevent agroing sparks and mow her down. The other 2 were an ele and a mes who did a great job at getting the sparks into position and with a couple of nicely timed time warps we took Simin down on our 2nd attempt.

Afterwards they reminded me how lucky i was to get in that group haha. Thanks again guys.

Sativo.9754:

If you want to do this boss, get 3 full dps wars and 2 mesmers with time warp. I was lucky enough to find a group the other day on gw2lfg that had been in there for hours (i believe they said 8-9) and were up to this boss and were looking for a dps heavy war which i happen to be.

They were fighting her in the cave and prior to engaging we stacked about 30-40 tears against the wall where us 3 warriors would stay to prevent agroing sparks and mow her down. The other 2 were an ele and a mes who did a great job at getting the sparks into position and with a couple of nicely timed time warps we took Simin down on our 2nd attempt.

Afterwards they reminded me how lucky i was to get in that group haha. Thanks again guys.

This is the problem with profession balancing. 2 elementalists, a mesmer, a necro and an engineer should be able to accomplish the same encounter as well. It shouldn’t be restricted to insane deeps 3 warriors + mesmer timewarp.

Fay.2735:

This is the problem with profession balancing. 2 elementalists, a mesmer, a necro and an engineer should be able to accomplish the same encounter as well. It shouldn’t be restricted to insane deeps 3 warriors + mesmer timewarp.

I don’t believe that you need 3 insane deeps warriors to do this dungeon. When we did it last Saturday, we had warrior, guardian, ranger, thief and mesmer. On the successful try, we didn’t have timewarp until the boss was almost dead. However, we were all setup as glass cannons throughout the dungeon. I don’t know if we would have been able to finish it if we were not in glass cannon setup.

Couldn’t duo it. Please nerf!

Token.6501:

How many people have tried and failed to get tokens out of Arah since the last update?
And how many people still think it isn’t hard enough? Seriously, it’s not good enough to have max gears, and can’t blame it all on player skill or the lack thereof.

Was with a group that failed Giaganticus battle. One hit from his AOE’s downs me and i probably won’t be able to get back up. Pretty hard to dodge those red circles he spawns so much of it all at once! Can’t say that we were really doing anything wrong, never even got close to the half-way point, just reset after reset!

Even if you dodge all of the red circles, you can still get hit by his AoE because those projectiles zig zag. It’s not a big issue but it is very annoying to dodge all the red circles and get hit still.

The path is hard but not impossible. I’ve made it with pug party on the first try and I liked it.)