Guild Wars 2

Hi,

Atm, it’s almost impossible to find a group for Arah since everyone just want to run the first boss of the third path. You can do this in 4-7 min an get a lot of silver (30+), chance to loot gold/exo and karma.

I completely understand why you added some loot to bosses in dungeon and i completely agree with this, but you have been to far with this. The reward is way too much for the time/difficulty involved. Reward should be progressive : little reward for the first boss, bigger for the second one (not the one standing a 1 feet of the first obvisouly), even bigger for the third, etc. With that system reward, these fast run would be pointless and full run would grant much more reward.

It’s almost impossible to get a group because of this, and it’s really annoying.

Thanks for reading.

How do you get 30+s from them? I get maybe 3s from a bag of loot and some crap items from the chest.

Each boss gives 10s (14s with omnomberry bars, = 28s) + some silver from a bag.

There are some things to clarify here:
- This ‘farm’ makes less gold/hour than running AC explorable
- This ‘farm’ makes you zero (0) karma, whereas AC explorable also nets you great karma
- You make far fewer tokens doing this (6 at best, but they don’t always drop bags) than you used to back in ye olde’ Arah farm (8 tokens guaranteed, same amount of time for similarly competent groups)
- You get fewer tokens / hour doing this than you would with similarly competent groups running Arah p2
- People in LA are asking for full Arah explorable runs all the time and getting groups for it

Thus, I make the conclusion that you’re blowing this out of proportion. This is not bad, and honestly, I don’t want to see this changed because it sucked so hard before doing Arah and only getting rewarded at the end. Thank the Gods that we get some reward for the easier bosses, because when it hits GL, half of all pub teams fail and you have to fall back on what you’ve earned thus far. ArenaNet’s decision to make the Crusher/Hunter both drop silver/etc was great and I would be incredibly sad if it changed. Now you feel like you’re getting something out of Arah even if you fail the full run, as opposed to what you’re proposing which would bring it back to a total waste of time if you fail.

Rising Dusk.2408:

- This ‘farm’ makes less gold/hour than running AC explorable

How much g/hour do you do in AC explo ? You can easily do 3 or 4g/hour with c3b1.

- This ‘farm’ makes you zero (0) karma, whereas AC explorable also nets you great karma

Vials drop very often, a friend of mine got about 100 in a day, wich is 40K karma. Doesn’t look so bad.

You make far fewer tokens doing this (6 at best, but they don’t always drop bags) than you used to back in ye olde’ Arah farm (8 tokens guaranteed, same amount of time for similarly competent groups)
- You get fewer tokens / hour doing this than you would with similarly competent groups running Arah p2

Peoples i know don’t do this because of the token but because of the gold they can do without using their brain, that’s why i didn’t mention token in my post.

- People in LA are asking for full Arah explorable runs all the time and getting groups for it

Glad to hear that, but in my server (vizunah square [fr]), there’s almot no one grouping for arah in cursed shore nor in LA.

In addition, i would to add this : this run can be repeated as long as you want, you’ll never be annoyed by the dungeon DR. Your reward will get worst if you repeat AC.

Rising Dusk.2408:

-Thus, I make the conclusion that you’re blowing this out of proportion. This is not bad, and honestly, I don’t want to see this changed because it sucked so hard before doing Arah and only getting rewarded at the end.

That’s why i said i agreed with their decision to give reward at almost everey boss. But it makes no sense to give the same reward for a boss you can meet w/o anything else than 20 second of walking and a boss you’ve to kill many foes to reach. This is why i’d like to see a progressive system, deeper you go in the dungeon, better is the reward.

This statement also answer to the rest of your post which is completely false, did you even read my text until the end ? I’d like to see a progressive reward wich reward everyone but wich reward more the players who can beat the dungeon and reward less the players who just rush one of the easiest boss in the game.
And i’ll add this : the progressive reward should work with the numbers of bosses you’ve beat, not just LP give x silver, bria give Y. You can actually get to GL in 2 minutes in path 3, you shouldn’t get a bigger reward if you use the exploit. You can skip a lot of bosses in AC too. Plus, i dislike the idea that someone who joined the run at the end (ie, before last boss) get the same reward than someone who get trough the whole dungeon.

This is how the gem in domain of anguish worked in Guild Wars. You had 4 area to beat, one chest at the end of each. First chest gave 2 gem, second one gave 4, third 6 and the last 8. You could start with any area, you always got the 2/4/6/8. This is exactly the kind of system i want to see in dungeons.

I believe it’s just been stealth patched.

If people in cursed shore are right, the hunter doesn’t drop anymore.

I also think it’s nerfed.

Nerf every viable gold makeing thing do that. You sure ur not gonna make us rooted to the ground aswell so we cant make any gold at all………………

I’ll also point out that a lot of people doing these quick runs aren’t going to do the full runs… at least most of the farming groups I was in wouldn’t have. Doing this for the gold, not for the tokens, so I doubt it actually affected full groups that much. Could be wrong.

Oh well, RIP.

well apparently a-net dont want us to earn money in the game, i mean common, how are we supposed to get money, play ac over and over? Give us a rewarding reward that are not based on RNG, I mean in gw1 we had doa with a sure reward, UW and fow where you also got a decent reward. Do A-net really want us to just kite around exploring the same areas over and over again? Thats basically the only thing left to beside farm AC for money.

I’d probably respond to the fellow’s rabid post, but if it’s been stealth-nerfed, then I find myself no longer caring. Thanks for making p3 full completes less valuable! Guess I’ll go back to farming p2 again with my guild.

Either way, I still make more money (4-5g/hr) in AC, so I have no idea why they’d nerf this and not AC. Not that I’d like them to nerf AC, because quite frankly money-making in this game is relocated to “play the economy or be poor”, but the inconsistency here is boggling.

Kira.2903:

well apparently a-net dont want us to earn money in the game, i mean common, how are we supposed to get money, play ac over and over? Give us a rewarding reward that are not based on RNG, I mean in gw1 we had doa with a sure reward, UW and fow where you also got a decent reward. Do A-net really want us to just kite around exploring the same areas over and over again? Thats basically the only thing left to beside farm AC for money.

I back up this post completely, Anet is nerfing every kind of fast farm for people. Prices are skyrocketing, you need some kind of fast farm for money, if we want to grind please make us able to grind. Or give us an elite area which is challenging and rewarding, like FotM which is definitely not rewarding. Yes we dont need to grind AC over and over. This is a way to make people drive away from your game. Serious people that like playing end game contect over and over cause we farm. We farmed a lot in GW1 and we want it here as well. DO not drive away your core players.

Maybe you were doing it wrong in Arah? Most groups can kill the two bosses is 5 minutes – with omnom bars it’s 28s+6s+sell value of drops… I’ll say that’s around 37s for a run, not counting rares and exotics that do often drop. 37s x 12 (one hour) = 4.44g. I can average the full run in 3 minutes or less. And of course, this isn’t counting exotics/rares, or even considering the sheer amount of tokens and liquid karma.

It was a substantially better farm than AC so I can see why they nerfed it.

If those numbers are any indication, I was definitely doing it right. I make comparable gold to that in AC every night, make more karma in AC (4 bags + full run bonus / 20 minutes), get more exotic drops in AC (more chests, more champs/etc), get more rares, get more tokens to turn into exotics and throw into the MF, and so forth. You name it, and you get it better in AC than with this farm. The only reason you’d ever do this farm was for the Arah tokens or if your guild is too terrible to make AC profitable.

prelegendarys still at 200-300 g, no stealth hot fix for that?

So… you’re saying instead of making 4-5g/hour in AC (which you stated in previous post), you’re actually making 7.5g/hour (which is what I’m stating is the average for me in Arah, without counting exotics or rares).

Full run bonus is only once a day, unfortunately, so in a longer time frame grinding Arah would win in tokens.

And please don’t start saying things like “your guild is too terrible to make AC profitable”. Anyone can make AC profitable, but there’s a reason people are grinding Arah over AC. Granted, I haven’t done AC since the new system, so of course I could be underestimating just how much AC earns, but I pulled the comparison from your own numbers…

Where in the world do you get 7.5g/hr? Your last post says 37s a run, which is pretty standard, and 5m a run, which is also pretty standard. Your last post also specifies correctly that this works out to 4.44g/hr. Again, where does the 7.5g/hr come from?

Rising Dusk.2408:

Where in the world do you get 7.5g/hr? Your last post says 37s a run, which is pretty standard, and 5m a run, which is also pretty standard. Your last post also specifies correctly that this works out to 4.44g/hr. Again, where does the 7.5g/hr come from?

I said that for a regular group, it’s a 5m run. I personally average 3m a run, that’s with breaks and selling. That’s why Arah was the better farm. With a flawless group, you could actually average 2m a run.

I don’t personally believe that you can down both champs in 2 minutes, factoring in everything and selling, and unless you post a video of it happening, I doubt that belief is going to change regardless of what you say. Not that that matters, of course, and I doubt you care either. Moving on.

I was doing 4-5m runs on average, factoring in things like “Someone on the team has to use the bathroom” and “one of my guildies now wants to FotM, so I had to get a different guildie”. I’m sure in optimal circumstances and without any interruptions, I could make more gold/hour in AC too, so I am still fairly confident that the gold gain comparatively between the two farms is equivalent.

The bosses can be pulled together and not invuln very quickly from the start. From there, they can both be aoe’ed or pierced, if that’s the time discrepancy you’re referring to? And I don’t know, the group I was in was a bunch of regulars who pretty much have been farming non-stop for three days on similar schedules.

You’re right in the sense that if you optimized your team builds you could probably shave off a minute and change from each run. I usually let people play whatever they want except a Ranger since Rangers are that bad. You’re also right in the sense that if I had the same 5 people doing every run for 3 days straight they’d probably shave another half-minute or so from the run based on familiarity. I’ll make sure to suggest to my guild that they aren’t allowed to go to work, go to the bathroom, or otherwise do anything without my permission the next time something like this comes up. :P

So this was nerfed without even a new build?

ye it’s known as a Hotfix
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hotfix

Good fix Anet. Wish you’d ban for exploits as well and you wouldn’t have to fix stuff like this.

Ruien.9506:

Good fix Anet. Wish you’d ban for exploits as well and you wouldn’t have to fix stuff like this.

Losing customers is always a good thing.

Since a lot of people pm’d me ingame to say how much i’m bad blabla, i ruined your lifes, i konw.

SO Big thanks to ANET wich clearly did this hotfix because of me only 15 min after i posted this. You’re really strong guys.

And to the poor people who lost their nice farm, i really don’t care about you. Seriously, i couldn’t care less, especially when some of you wish my children will be ALS (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amyotrophic_lateral_sclerosis). You’re really the future of this world.