Guild Wars 2

Hello,

I wanted to create a topic about this dungeon and a fact really popular : skipping. I hate it so bad. The thing is, whenever you go on a run for this dungeon, and I mean a normal run since I hate rushing dungeons (Yes, those vets hating rushs still exist), people ALWAYS rush and skip Kholer and/or the troll boss.

And I think the reason for them to do that, is because each of those boss has a specific mechanic which make him interesting and challenging. But as we know, players nowadays don’t even want to make any efforts toward challenging content when it rewards as much as easy content, and thus, they just skip them every single time.

Please, this has to stop, those are strong fights, and they mustn’t be able to be skipped as easily as that. Well, maybe not the troll, since it’s a “bonus” boss event, but at least Kholer.

Could you do something like blocking the progression in the dungeon if Kholer hasn’t been downed ? Making a trigger or something like that, activating only IF he’s been defeated, allowing people to resume the dungeon. I mean, preventing the last boss from spawning for example, if Kholer is not dead. Or something like that.

Thank you

Do you know an easy fix for that? Make your own “killing everything” groups. Tah-dah, not a hard thing to do, right?

As if anybody was joining when I’m doing so

Forcing people to fight Kholer would incite so much rage.

He’s not that hard anyway, just stack, lure and dps down.

I just create experienced only/speedrun groups and force them to do kohler ^^ . if they can’t kill him, they shouldn’t join an experienced group.

still can’t get them to fight him normally though, everyone is so afraid of the dodge button we have to get into the crack and hope for the best (meaning: no double-necro spawn)

I still hope they remove the stupid crack (maybe add a normal corner or something), and force us to kill kohler on p1 and p3 (not on p2, takes too long anyway), might improve playerskill and stop people joining experienced groups when they simply are not experienced yet.

Add a “No skipping” to your LFGs

Done.

/truestory

no skipping is not equal to killing kohler and champs.

I never join no skipping groups, I have no interest in killing every mob, the burrow before the queen or the oozes etc. no skipping means just that, no monster is left behind, and most of these monsters don’t drop anything or nothing of value.

kohler and champs have decent loot though, so it’s easier to find group who kill those, while still skipping the other mobs.

Even if you stack and los to burn him down quickly sometimes he decides to aggro the npc and troll out in the open. Forces you to fight him a bit more in the open. Not any harder just takes a bit longer. Hes an optional boss, theres no reason to force people to kill him. Also I heard the troll was supposed to be really hard? Had to fight the revamped troll for the first time yesterday, he wasnt that bad. Really obvious tells, just got caught off guard the first time I saw the attacks. The fear is a bit silly but meh.

spoj.9672:

The fear is a bit silly but meh.

The fear? I thought the bouncing stun was a bit more silly

Meh barely noticed it as it was so brief haha. Didnt realise it bounced, just noticed i got a few short duration stuns during the fight.

LoS on Kholer, this just made my day.

The first time I made a “champion killing” group for AC, some guardian yelled “plz skip kholer” right before we got up to him, and ran right past. The worst part? The other 3 did too.

Mesket.5728:

LoS on Kholer, this just made my day.

uwotm8?

spoj.9672:

Mesket.5728:

LoS on Kholer, this just made my day.

uwotm8?

(Disclaimer: Since english is not my first language I don’t know if I understand your “being cool” slang but lets see if I got it)

Using LoS on Kholer? seriously? why on earth wouldn’t you just charge him up on his platform and fight him there? it is one of the most fun/“rewarding” (under the concept of GW2 rewards…) fights in the entire game. Why would you use anything like line of sight on him? his adds die in seconds and his pull has a 2 second big warning. His auto-attack hits like a baby. LoS? for a lvl 35 fight?

Mesket.5728:

spoj.9672:

Mesket.5728:

LoS on Kholer, this just made my day.

uwotm8?

(Disclaimer: Since english is not my first language I don’t know if I understand your “being cool” slang but lets see if I got it)

Using LoS on Kholer? seriously? why on earth wouldn’t you just charge him up on his platform and fight him there? it is one of the most fun/“rewarding” (under the concept of GW2 rewards…) fights in the entire game. Why would you use anything like line of sight on him? his adds die in seconds and his pull has a 2 second big warning. His auto-attack hits like a baby. LoS? for a lvl 35 fight?

You’ll find out that most players are too dumb to realize that they need to kill the adds before they get overwhelmed by more waves. The chipping damage adds up with necro, ranger adds etc spawning wave after wave. The LoS method is idiot-proof way of dealing with randoms.

In many groups, even with people I knew well, I was like the only guy who was killing the adds when they spawned and got separated from kholer (in terms of melee cleave) because of his constant movements. If I ever stopped touching the adds at any point in time people would just ignore them until the next wave and until the group wiped on that crap. And there is nothing less fun than a zerker group making the adds spawn very fast without killing any. (Adds spawn each 25% hp of kholer. The faster you burn down kholer the faster you make the next wave spawn and if you don’t kill the adds..)

Kholer is easy, but the average player is way too bad to be trusted with handling him in the open without using LoS.

We LoS Kholer because the fight is boring either way. Done it without LoSing plenty of times but now when we want to just blitz through ac quickly we just burn him down against the wall. Also helps with stacking up the adds as nik said. LoSing isnt fool proof. Sometimes he does his attack anyway and if people arent paying attention they are dead. Othertimes he does the evade attack and gets behind you so hes no longer against the wall. And recently hes been aggroing onto the npc and just staying in the middle. :P

spoj.9672:

We LoS Kholer because the fight is boring either way. Done it without LoSing plenty of times but now when we want to just blitz through ac quickly we just burn him down against the wall. Also helps with stacking up the adds as nik said. LoSing isnt fool proof. Sometimes he does his attack anyway and if people arent paying attention they are dead. Othertimes he does the evade attack and gets behind you so hes no longer against the wall. And recently hes been aggroing onto the npc and just staying in the middle. :P

In my experience, ever since I finished the “learning and gearing phase”, I always fought him on his spot. Plain and simple. I find the fight very fun, stacking and smashing 1 on the other hand… meh, I prefer to do random events outside the dungeon.

At this point basic bosses like Kholer arent any fun to me so i get more enjoyment out of seeing their hp melt insanely fast. Fights like lupi, ghost eater and bloomhunger are enjoyable though.

Or alternatively with Kohler, you could do what a pug I just ran with insisted on doing.. Jump into the water off the left, wait at the bottom of the stairs for around 10 min while the troll gets him to 50%, get feared off the steps back in to the water 3 times before messily finishing him off.. 15 min Kohler battle.. Speed run ftw.. shakes his head in dismay

Anyone else feeling like some front page liberation? Baphomet told me he’s getting sick of all the whiny ‘ehhrrmegurrd, skipping’s bad’ threads.

Sins.4782:

The first time I made a “champion killing” group for AC, some guardian yelled “plz skip kholer” right before we got up to him, and ran right past. The worst part? The other 3 did too.

This is the most aggravating thing about forming no-skip groups or stuff like that. Some people join and then completely ignore it ANYWAYS.