I did some dps comparisons with my spreadsheet and found something very interesting.
Environment
6/4/0/0/4 build
2 swordsmans + 1 warden
25% uptime on wastrel’s punishment
2 charged mantras
ranger runes (perma +7% dps through a mini)
5% and 10% sigils
10% potion
25 might
25 vuln
banner of disc/strength
asc zerk trinkets for both sets
DPS with asc Zerk armor/weapons:
11,240 direct+bleed
415% multiplier for feedback
293% multiplier for warden
DPS with asc Assassins armor/weapons:
11,203 direct+bleed
448% multiplier for feedback
317% multiplier for warden
The difference in direct dps between the two sets is less than 0.5%, and as far as reflects go – assassins is better than zerk by about 7.5%… Somebody please tell me I’m wrong and why because this is definitely not what everyone on here been telling me.
For Assassin, you should compare with Scholar runes, because you waste both Precision and Damage using Ranger Rune (without buff food but with Fury / Banner of Disc, you’ll have over 98% crit chance and I think crit chance is capped at 98%) as soon as you have a Ranger in your group. With Scholar, Asc Assassin Armor + Weapon / Asc Zerk Trinket is better than full Zerk with Scholar and Ranger runes.
Well if you plan on lupicus and speedrunning I’d go with scholar and some assassin pieces. If u plan on high lvl fractals and have to pug a lot go with ranger runes and zerk equip. Difference might be how to obtain 100% critchance for reflects and if it s possible to stay over 90% hp or not.
I did some dps comparisons with my spreadsheet and found something very interesting.
Environment
6/4/0/0/4 build
2 swordsmans + 1 warden
25% uptime on wastrel’s punishment
2 charged mantras
ranger runes (perma +7% dps through a mini)
5% and 10% sigils
10% potion
25 might
25 vuln
banner of disc/strength
asc zerk trinkets for both sets
DPS with asc Zerk armor/weapons:
11,240 direct+bleed
415% multiplier for feedback
293% multiplier for warden
DPS with asc Assassins armor/weapons:
11,203 direct+bleed
448% multiplier for feedback
317% multiplier for warden
The difference in direct dps between the two sets is less than 0.5%, and as far as reflects go – assassins is better than zerk by about 7.5%… Somebody please tell me I’m wrong and why because this is definitely not what everyone on here been telling me.
I’m curious — how many total points were you counting for each attribute? The numerical analysis I’ve done left me convinced power is almost always better … though there are some exceptions.
I’m curious — how many total points were you counting for each attribute? The numerical analysis I’ve done left me convinced power is almost always better … though there are some exceptions.
For Assassin, you should compare with Scholar runes, because you waste both Precision and Damage using Ranger Rune (without buff food but with Fury / Banner of Disc, you’ll have over 98% crit chance and I think crit chance is capped at 98%) as soon as you have a Ranger in your group. With Scholar, Asc Assassin Armor + Weapon / Asc Zerk Trinket is better than full Zerk with Scholar and Ranger runes.
Using the same vars as in OP + spotter/frost, assuming you have scholars bonus active 100% of the time (quite unrealistic unless you’re a gw2 god, which I’m not). The max difference in direct damage between all 4 combinations of Zerk/Assassins/Scholar/Ranger is less than 2.73% (assassins+scholars being the best). Without a ranger, the max difference between all 4 combinations was less than 1.78% (assassins+rangers being the best). Once you start assuming that scholars will not be always active, then assassins + rangers becomes the top dps for all situations.
Now comparing the reflect dmg. Assassins/Rangers is the best in all cases both with and without ranger. Best zerk combo was Zerk+Ranger but even that was worse than Assassins/Rangers combo by 4.8% with a ranger and by 8% without a ranger.
From all this my conclusion is that for a 6/4/0/0/4 everyday build Assassins + Ranger runes is the best combo for all situations, both with and without rangers. The only time I might consider Assassins/Scholars is when I don’t need reflects and can to stay at 90%+ hp throughout the whole fight in which case then I will be gaining a maximum of 2.7% more dps.
Next, I’ll need to do this all over for the 6/6/0/0/2 all-out build but that will have to come later since my brain is melted cheese from all the math above XD
I guess since we have less weapon strength, then precision > power in in this profession?
When you factor in reflects then its more important obviously. Truly interesting.
Didn’t Brazil said something along those lines on a Mesmer video he did after the April patch? About how good the Assassin’s+Ranger runes could be.
He said that in one of his updates. There was a good discussion on reddit about some of these points. He was pointing out that you could do zerker + ranger effectively, to avoid having to invest in assassin’s, but it seems like assassin’s + ranger is working very well here.
hey guys was reading this thread any thoughts on this build i think i got the general idea of it im only level 40 and struggling to find a build to work towards any help would be good
@Necrophagia
Even if ANet will fix the minipet counting as companion, still your illusions will work. And you (should) have almost 100% uptime of at least a single clone active
