Guild Wars 2

This is the oldest dungeon scam, but it was interesting to see in action yesterday evening.

Two guys complete legit a dungeon path (AC p3, in this case) except the boss of course. One of the guys stays at the entrance (level 80, probably the instance owner). The other switches to a low level thief and stands not far from the boss. This adds credibility.

Then they lfg-sell for 4g and the scam begins. As soon as someone enters, the thief says “gold to me” and people do so then get kicked. This made it look very credible as the thief was near the boss and the other one was standing exactly on the spawn spot.

I was made aware of that situation when I checked the LFG for AC p1 to buy: lots of lfg saying “AC P3 4g is a scam” or “<thief name> is a scammer”. I checked the lfg in question and knew I wouldn’t buy it. I entered and immediately said I’d pay, gaining some time to rally other players at my cause. I then proceeded to vote-kick the thief (and said “he’s a scammer” in /s so the thief wouldn’t see it). I saw the Plains of Ashford screen I expected to see and laughed. Yeah, it worked. Then I saw I wasn’t in the party anymore. Weird. Actually they had kicked me. I checked the lfg and it was still present. I regularly saw it popping it on and off as new players entered, but one aspect remained unchanged: two players were always the same, the thief and the guardian (probable opener). That’s when I got it. There wasn’t one scammer, but two. This was confirmed 10 minutes later when I checked again the lfg tool and my screenshot: the main party was the same.

Well played. You had me trying to get you out.

Nevertheless, as I understood the complete scheme, I reported both players both ingame and by e-mail.

Good luck getting gold when you’re banned guys

Why would anybody actually buy AC p3 for any amount of gold? Its like 15 minutes even with terrible pug group.

You can buy ac p1 for 1g on EU. Usually exploited but yeah. Easy xp and if you do it only once per day you actually make a profit.

For info, this poor title isn’t mine but was changed by moderation. I only wanted to share my amusement not a PSA.

notabot.3497:

Why would anybody actually buy AC p3 for any amount of gold? Its like 15 minutes even with terrible pug group.

Because sometimes it’s not your day and you’re terribad, because you don’t care about your gold but want the tokens/XP, because you can, because you have to leave to take the train in 5 minutes, etc.

Plenty of reasons.

notabot.3497:

Why would anybody actually buy AC p3 for any amount of gold? Its like 15 minutes even with terrible pug group.

i needed the tokens, but hate AC with a passion, had other stuff to do around the house so i threw up a looking to buy lfg, got in a party, they 4 manned it and let me know when they were at the final boss, hop in collect tokens, pay out. the amount i spent on each party to get my 500 tokens was made back in a day doing my usual champ train/world boss/wvw rotations.

OOOOO im sooooooooo cool im a seller!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

4 manning AC and then selling it. Really, what is that, like 30s each? WOW

>be donjon seller
>dungeon sellers always take my business, but I manage to make a living
>see post on forums about donjon sellers scamming
>dungeon seller propaganda
>fear for my life
>angry mob comes for me during donjon selling session
>ravaged in a hail of fire and pitchforks
>mfw

dungeon selling shouldnt be possible in the first place… all those scamming exemplify why

Fror.2163:

Good luck getting gold when you’re banned guys

I doubt Anet’s going to do anything.

kyubi.3620:

dungeon selling shouldnt be possible in the first place… all those scamming exemplify why

This is some pretty awful logic…

kyubi.3620:

dungeon selling shouldnt be possible in the first place… all those scamming exemplify why

Devs, I really really want /ignore kyubi now, pretty please?

Fror.2163:

kyubi.3620:

dungeon selling shouldnt be possible in the first place… all those scamming exemplify why

Devs, I really really want /ignore kyubi now, pretty please?

They’re working on this feature apparently. Soon!

maxinion.8396:

Fror.2163:

kyubi.3620:

dungeon selling shouldnt be possible in the first place… all those scamming exemplify why

Devs, I really really want /ignore kyubi now, pretty please?

They’re working on this feature apparently. Soon!

Yeah! Here: https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/support/forum/Ignore-user/first#post3537280

notabot.3497:

Why would anybody actually buy AC p3 for any amount of gold? Its like 15 minutes even with terrible pug group.

oh sweetie. you haven’t seen pug groups terrible enough.

So let me get this straight.

1) You joined an AC-selling group and tried to kick the seller to be a troll.
2) The seller had taken precautions against this and kicked you instead.
3) You came here and starting whining about how he is a scammer because he kicked you.

That about right?

Why did you even buy the path in the first place 4g down the drain.

Guanglai Kangyi.4318:

So let me get this straight.

1) You joined an AC-selling group and tried to kick the seller to be a troll.
2) The seller had taken precautions against this and kicked you instead.
3) You came here and starting whining about how he is a scammer because he kicked you.

That about right?

You’re clearly trolling, but I’ll feed the troll this once.

1. Lots of complaints on the lfg about a specific seller.
2. I check with several guys complaining. They paid the gold and didn’t get the path done. At one time there was 4 different guys complaining about that particular scammer.
3. Meanwhile I observe some strange dance around that LFG, it disappears then reappears quite often. This means people are massively being kicked out from that group, and it’s a “seller” group.
4. I go check in the dungeon and proceed to votekick by explicitly stating it’s a scam. I get kicked instead.
5. The “dance” of the lfg appearing and disappearing from the lfg tool continues for 10 minutes. They still don’t kick one guy, but all the three others.
6. I’m not complaining. I’m amused because they outsmarted me. I’m pro legit sellers, I’m against scam and I’m against exploited selling.

Why am I sure it was a scam?
- AC p3 is easy to do in group even as lowbies, much harder to solo/duo.
- The path was overpriced regarding the difficulty to play it in group.
- Over the course of 10 minutes, I see lots of players coming in and out of that LFG. I mean like every 20-30 seconds the LFG disappears because it’s full, then reappears with only two members: the two same people. It’s impossible to run AC p3 in 20-30 seconds. I know you’re good, Guanglai Kangyi, but can you duo AC p3 legit in less than 1 minute? (when I entered, only the boss was left, no other event was active)
- Over those 10 minutes, older “this guy stole my 4g” lfgs disappeared and newer appeared (different guys making those assertions).

tom.7468:

Why did you even buy the path in the first place 4g down the drain.

I didn’t buy it.

Guanglai Kangyi.4318:

So let me get this straight.

1) You joined an AC-selling group and tried to kick the seller to be a troll.
2) The seller had taken precautions against this and kicked you instead.
3) You came here and starting whining about how he is a scammer because he kicked you.

That about right?

I feel like you missed something.

Report and move on. Don’t try to kick them or enact some brand of vigilantism. They can exploit it and set it back up in no time. People actually do get actioned for scams like this, and egregious cases result in account closures. It’s a thing.

Raven.3248:

OOOOO im sooooooooo cool im a seller!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

4 manning AC and then selling it. Really, what is that, like 30s each? WOW

?
people solo the ac path1 in 5 minutes

and then sell for 1 to 1.5g …
means 4-6g profit