Guild Wars 2

So, I was wandering, what’s in your opinion the best class to go through any dungeon? Also, explain your choice.

I was thinking about guardian, with all that armor and support stuff, but i don’t know, i havent tried all the classes.

Class doesn’t matter. People do.

People who play a certain class expecting a better dungeon experience often find themselves without groups and loot very often.

Guardians are already getting the reputation of RETARDINS because so many bad players think it’s their ticket toward easy loot. Choose carefully.

@DancingPenguins.9875
Seriously? Never heard any offensive comments towards guardians. In fact I’ve heard thanks to a couple of guardians for smooth dungeon runs since they heal a lot and saved a lot of time for us. I think this is your personal idea instead of communities.

Try this; have a guardian with full cleric armor and a mace. Run a dungeon with him. Then run the same dungeon after you replace the guardian or cleric armor and mace on him. I bet you’ll see the difference.

Guardians are incredibly useful.

whichever one the good players are playing.

i love the thief in dungeons (then again i love the thief in any way). you can provide the best cover for rezz (stealth), bleed huge areas (caltrops + death blossom), evade attacks like they’re nothing, and lay a bunch of blindness.

those are the uses you can get besides the typical dps thief, or condition thief (do condition thieves even work in PvE?).

my thief build, for example, can outheal the damage taken in dungeons just by spamming caltrops and death blossom on concentrated groups of enemies. survivable thief that’s also good at dealing damage, and still has two utility slots free for shadow refuge and whatever skill might come in handy at the moment (like smokescreen)

Don’t believe the people that tell you profession doesn’t matter. In fairness, it doesn’t matter AS MUCH as the player, but only someone completely oblivious to reality believes that all professions are equal.

Guardians, Elementalists, and Engineers all bring an incredible amount of offensive and defensive utility without sacrificing much for it. What really makes them stand out is their ability to heal allies outside of their 6th ability. This means people stay on their feet longer, which means a better chance of winning.

God tier:
Guardians – survivability, healing, supporting, reflecting, general awesomeness. There’s a reason PuG groups are seeking these guys.

High tier:
Warrior, Thief, Ele – They bring the DPS. Or in some cases, crazy amounts of support.

Mid tier:
engineer, necro, mesmer – Certainly viable, but they usually dont outshine the other players. A necro or mesmer can seriously bolster a teams output against DPS check bosses (Effigy, simin, ETC) but that’s quite niche. Mesmers would probably be higher if their phantasms didnt overaggro.

low tier:
ranger – Limited AoE, lackluster DPS, most utility is in a form that every other class can do and better, and an annoying pet that overaggros all day long. Usable in dungeons? Yes. But worth taking over another class? Not unless you know for a fact that the ranger is far more skilled.

Guardian/warr. Get 2 guard 3 warriors, 1 guard with hammer 1 warr with mace= protection and venerability all the time. Strap 3 great sword on the others for a flurry of death. Occasion calls for ranged? Have a guardians draw uncrossable lines with there sticks and warriors ranged with the guards aoe staffs = good game silly mobs walking into invisible wall. Heavies are rocksauce they can do everything any other class can and have better survivability and can do MAD dmg with greatswords to make the run fast.

The best class is the skilful player.

Zenyatoo.4059:

low tier:
ranger – lackluster DPS

It’s a miracle your brain didn’t self-destruct when you typed this. Rangers bring virtually nothing to the table EXCEPT dps and some moderate offensive utility.

@ nethelli

which is why all the high DPS groups that do serious speed runs and burst down DPS check bosses in a matter of seconds run with rangers right?

OH WAIT. My mistake. That doesnt happen at all. They run warriors and guardians, and thieves. Not rangers. Because your DPS is poor comparatively. Especially against clusters of monsters because you have no AoE.

I mean lets see here
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0f95nN93dQs (3x warrior, guardian, ele)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2RM-jwwCO1c (Boon, who are known for this sort of thing: guardian, mesmer, 2x thief, warrior. This was pre-nerf BTW. As in, when your DPS actually mattered during the fight.)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o6_MTW_ia2o (2 guardians, necro, warrior, ele)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ighs-IakvoU (mesmers, 3 warrior, guardian)

So want to tell me again how rangers are totally used over the other classes for their DPS? Because its certainly not true. I’ve played a ranger. I still play my ranger. But I can assure you the DPS is nothing to write home about. If anything, you’ve proved my point about your lack of utility in any sector that isnt DPS, which any good player has seen and realized is lower than a warrior of equal gear and skill.

You simply don’t know rangers can spam pretty much AoE with axes or have piercing shots, summon some useful spirits, put pet to revive someone, use pet to lure specific mobs. Also they have one of rare water combo fields

Someone mentioned guardian as class which never gets negative comments. Well, I met many guardians using greatsword and scepter/torch, it so miserable… I’d rather go with mace/focus + staff or mace/focus + hammer, even being not traited for those weapons. It’s not really hard to have even green/yellow weapons of this kind in little invisible bag
I’ve also never seen guardians doing better healing than my engineer. Guardians have no water fields, I have 2 of them + super elixir. Ofc mace guardian spams healing like mad, but random guardians are rarely using this weapon

Zenyatoo.4059:

@ nethelli

which is why all the high DPS groups that do serious speed runs and burst down DPS check bosses in a matter of seconds run with rangers right?

OH WAIT. My mistake. That doesnt happen at all. They run warriors and guardians, and thieves. Not rangers. Because your DPS is poor comparatively. Especially against clusters of monsters because you have no AoE.

I mean lets see here
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0f95nN93dQs (3x warrior, guardian, ele)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2RM-jwwCO1c (Boon, who are known for this sort of thing: guardian, mesmer, 2x thief, warrior. This was pre-nerf BTW. As in, when your DPS actually mattered during the fight.)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o6_MTW_ia2o (2 guardians, necro, warrior, ele)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ighs-IakvoU (mesmers, 3 warrior, guardian)

So want to tell me again how rangers are totally used over the other classes for their DPS? Because its certainly not true. I’ve played a ranger. I still play my ranger. But I can assure you the DPS is nothing to write home about. If anything, you’ve proved my point about your lack of utility in any sector that isnt DPS, which any good player has seen and realized is lower than a warrior of equal gear and skill.

And all you’ve done is prove that you’re really good at arguing against statements no one made. I welcome you to point to where I said anything about speed runs or Rangers being taken over other professions (neither is really relevant anyway, since the rest of the thread is speaking generally and you’re talking about a much more specific activity)

For your benefit, just so you don’t have to scroll up, I’ll reiterate:
“Rangers bring virtually nothing to the table EXCEPT dps and some moderate offensive utility.”

As someone fond of discovering hidden meanings within statements, I’m sure there’s a dozen different things you could infer from that, but I feel like ruining the fun for you, so I’ll just say it. A Ranger in the right hands is dangerous and bursty. A Ranger in incompetent hands is nearly worthless.

Play with better Rangers. I know they’re hard to find, but they do exist.

Hammer guardian.

A well built and experienced one can cover all roles: damage, support, and control while having top notch survivability.

Nethelli.4023:

And all you’ve done is prove that you’re really good at arguing against statements no one made. I welcome you to point to where I said anything about speed runs or Rangers being taken over other professions (neither is really relevant anyway, since the rest of the thread is speaking generally and you’re talking about a much more specific activity)

For your benefit, just so you don’t have to scroll up, I’ll reiterate:
“Rangers bring virtually nothing to the table EXCEPT dps and some moderate offensive utility.”

As someone fond of discovering hidden meanings within statements, I’m sure there’s a dozen different things you could infer from that, but I feel like ruining the fun for you, so I’ll just say it. A Ranger in the right hands is dangerous and bursty. A Ranger in incompetent hands is nearly worthless.

Play with better Rangers. I know they’re hard to find, but they do exist.

Maybe you should recheck what I said.
“lackluster DPS”
This indicates the following: I believe the ranger DPS to be less than other classes, making it lackluster.

Your response was this
“Rangers bring virtually nothing to the table EXCEPT dps”

Which given what I said, seems to mean you were attempting to argue against my claim that rangers do lackluster DPS. Which is why I tried explaining to you that they totally do.

Somehow you intended to say this instead but failed at it.
“A skilled ranger can do some burst!”

My response to that point is the following
“Not even nearly as much as a skilled warrior”

The videos I posted served to exhibit this. I claim ranger DPS is lackluster, I back this up by pointing out, in runs for which DPS mattered the most, no one brought rangers. I dont really know why you seem to believe I am arguing against things no one said. Because I said in my first post, “lackluster DPS”

But here i’ll tl;dr it for you again in as plain terms as I can

warrior DPS > ranger DPS (which you have stated is what the ranger class brings to the table)
Ranger utility < other classes utility
Other classes > rangers for dungeons

Your point about skill is mostly meaningless BTW. As all it indicates is the following:
If I need to PuG a dungeon, im better off taking any other class, because even an incompetent player from another class wont be as worthless as a ranger. While it’s fine to be a class that relies heavily on skill, that does not make you better dungeon runners.

Warrior… nuff said…

As far as i have noticed in my dungeon runs. All classes bring their own trades to the field. The most wanted class is Guardians though due to the high amount of support utilities they carry with them often allowing you to survive against all odds sort of thing. Necromancer and Mesmers also bring nice utility, Elementalist are good dps or support class, Thief has some short nice burst damage they can dish out and have the ability for a blind combo field.

As I myself play a Ranger for now (process of switching to a warrior or guardian). Some of the valid points given here I have to agree with and some probably not as i see this from my own pov.

Rangers at the moment lack DPS meaning that some fights will be a bit harder specially when things need to go down quick overall. As a ranger what i feel that is a bit easier is actually tanking. I use a longbow for the aoe cripple and vulnerability shot and maybe some of the other skills. We have own boon we can keep up for about half a minute (Stability) preventing you from being feared, knocked down etc. We can hold ourselves standing while the group kills the adds and I deal with the main boss during fights thanks to the “Signet of Stone” 6 seconds of no damage taken. My main weapon for this is also Greatsword even though it’s damage is not the best.

well imo it doesn’t really matter so much, but I look at it in terms of armor type. I would really be glad if there’s another heavy-armor user in the group as I usually go off-tank/support with condi as an engineer. i’m pretty sure one can do it as all light armor, but survivability will be questioned. It’s not that i’m saying heavy-armor classes are better, but with higher toughness, they’re usually more forgiving for over-aggro/boss fights/etc.

sometimes, i’m quite happy to see fellow engineers in ac, as thumper turret can be a boss in protecting hodgins/the two thingies.

The most us full classe I have had with me on runs are probably Engi and mesmer. At the same time some of the worst player I ever done dungeons with have been the 2 named classes also so i really don’t think there is any “best class” to play. Ofc some classes got some unique skills that speed up/smooth up runs like mesmers portal/stealth combo (can skip big numbers of hard areas or bring players that re spawn at WP to the area the rest of the party are in), eles MS/frost bow (works wonders on objects, typical in AC where 1 ele can easily solo 3 burrows in a few sec), guardians reflection/pull skills. I can go on but I think in the end a good team is not decided on what classes they play but the players own skills. I do believe tho that a mixed team work best.

Any dungeon can be done with any class. Kind of annoyed when I create a group someone goes no guardian?

@RoRo

So true, if someone is requesting a Guardian what it means is that they are running a glass canon build and are relying on others to keep them up and alive. This means they will constantly need rez and be utterly useless in the dungeon. On my guardian I will avoid any party specifically looking for a guardian because I know it’s going to be bad lol.

Oddly enough after doing months of nothing but dungeons the best class by far is simply the one that is geared and traited for group play and specific dungeons and played by the experienced player. If you are going to do AC exp you know there will be poison, you know there will be mobs that will knock you down and keep you down, you know certain paths require a speed buff.

I’ve done just as well on my level 35 War as I have on my lvl 80 guardian and it’s because I simply know what I’m doing and know what to expect. I go in geared and specced for it and change traits and skills before specific encounters.