At first I was leery of COF P2 as invariably if u are in a party that sucks, u will fail. But I come to appreciate as a filter for bad players (if they are not aware of the new mechanic post patch its ok). I mean if you actually die more than once in 2 or 3 tries in protecting Magg stage, I think its very unlikely you can chalk that up to bad luck.
I am being semi serious here; you can tell who knows how to play their profession and whether they know how to dodge or revive off enemies when downed. It’s even more telling to see who knows how to use food buffs/consumables if and when something hits the fan. Thus it is a nice filter for who to play with any dungeon harder than this.
Apologies to those who may find my posts on GW2 forums offensive and hateful.
I had a group the other day, where I was on my mesmer alt. The other guys were 2 thieves and 2 engineers. In CoF path 2, no one got downed, even during the Magg defense event. I was pretty impressed to have done a speed run with a PuG of that composition and skill level as it’s a rare sight to me. I’d honestly like to see more of these random compositions succeed in action.
I have been running CoF frequently over the past week, with PUGs mind you, and have only once taken more than one attempt during the Magg defense.
I would not call it a DPS/gear check (I’ve been running it with non-exotics while I get the tokens for them). It is a skill check, though. And far superior to the old encounter, which was a gear/DPS check.
I have yet to see anything in that fight that can’t be beaten with the tiniest bit of communication before the fight. My first time seeing it was several days ago, and we wiped 3 or 4 times. Nobody was willing to say anything about it more than ‘kite everything and kill the assassins’ including the replacement we found for someone who dropped. We struggled through it and then managed the next boss fight with the new guy only managing to call me and one other guy ‘idiots’ during the fight because we were trying to figure out the mechanic with no help from him or anyone else who was there.
Fast forward 2 days and I’m running it with a guild group. Now, granted we’re all pretty geared, but we also just took whoever was on at the time. We discussed strategy for all of 15 seconds… which ended up being ‘so and so call the assassin and everyone else aoe bomb the trash.’ It was absurdly easy and required alot less work than running around in circles while the trash mobs steadily built in numbers.
CoF p2 is easier than before, and costs less silver for repairs TBH.
Thinking this is troll. I can’t see how it would be easier.
Since before patch there just wasn’t assassins and you could even kill them easily. Other than that, it’s mostly same.
But it is still quite easy yes. If you just have good group and take the assassins down fast you will do it easily. I think this is what most of dungeons should be, hard but do-able.
If you are reading this, you are only waisting your time!
Still reading this? You know there is something better to be done for sure. -.-’’
CoF p2 is easier than before, and costs less silver for repairs TBH.
Thinking this is troll. I can’t see how it would be easier.
I don’t see any trolling here I agree. Before they changed it I failed with pugs much more than now – tbh i like the change it’s easyier and more fun than waypoint running.
CoF p2 is easier than before, and costs less silver for repairs TBH.
Thinking this is troll. I can’t see how it would be easier.
I don’t see any trolling here I agree. Before they changed it I failed with pugs much more than now – tbh i like the change it’s easyier and more fun than waypoint running.
As said, I think he is troll because before patch you could have done it just normal way, meaning just kill all mobs that spawn. It’s like now but there just are those assassins now too. So that is why I can’t believe anyone could say “This is now easier”.
- If you can now kill all those mobs during the modified part and make video then of it, then I can actually believe when people say “This is now easier”. That was what people were supposed to do before patch. I’m just telling the facts how it worked before…
Also before patch, if done with “die->run back” tactic, it surely did cost lots of money but it took no skill or what so ever so how can people honestly say it’s now easier.
If you are reading this, you are only waisting your time!
Still reading this? You know there is something better to be done for sure. -.-’’
Before those mobs were silver ones. Now they’re just regular mobs who die in two hits.
New version is really easy. And I’m yet to fail there, though I only do it with guild parties.
Stablity+AOE+awareness = win.
There were also much less mobs before patch. And I believe they don’t die just in 2 hits. And assassins still are silver mobs. As Anet mentioned; they made all mobs easier but countered it with the amount of mobs there.
But with your point saying easy, I agree with you. But while couple people before you saying “easier”, just can’t agree that…
AoE + kiting -> pretty much that… and taking assassins fast
If you are reading this, you are only waisting your time!
Still reading this? You know there is something better to be done for sure. -.-’’
The amount of mobs doesn’t matter if their health is low. Aoe counters this pretty good.
Well, you can’t say completely that the amount wouldn’t matter, since the AoE has limit of 5 targets max. If amount wouldn’t matter I could expect that you could then easily kill all of them with just AoE.
If you are reading this, you are only waisting your time!
Still reading this? You know there is something better to be done for sure. -.-’’
Pre-patch you had to kite because dpsing the enemies down before more spawned was a bit of a problem. Now you can kill all of the mobs as they spawn before more spawn…. you end up sitting there waiting for new mobs to show up. This is much easier.
If you cannot call target on each of the assassins yourself you have no right to call it a gear/DPS check. It will only become one if the assassins are spotted way too late when they are like two or three steps from magg.
Pre-patch you had to kite because dpsing the enemies down before more spawned was a bit of a problem. Now you can kill all of the mobs as they spawn before more spawn…. you end up sitting there waiting for new mobs to show up. This is much easier.
This is what it was before patch. As I had no problem on killing them all before new ones spawned.
Can you link me video or screenshot where you can just sit and wait now… Yes, I thought you couldn’t too.
If you are reading this, you are only waisting your time!
Still reading this? You know there is something better to be done for sure. -.-’’
If you cannot call target on each of the assassins yourself you have no right to call it a gear/DPS check. It will only become one if the assassins are spotted way too late when they are like two or three steps from magg.
If you dont have enough DPS, assassins can be 6 or more steps away and you can’t stop the assassin solo. Preferably the assassins should be taken out by warriors and thieves, yes/no? As for calling target on assassins, I am usually on classes in P2 (ie necro) that do the AOE damage and dont require teammates to call target. And btw, trash mobs do damage to Magg as well especially if teammates insist on hugging close to Magg.
You want to know how I failed and ultimately RQ after 3 tries. On the 2nd try managed to get to 99% but 2 teammates were DEAD. Yes DEAD. Not downed but dead as a doornail.
And one or the other was dead in try 1 and 3 as well.
Apologies to those who may find my posts on GW2 forums offensive and hateful.
Well, maybe i sounded a bit too harsh here, but calling targets isn’t just for the looks. You are saying you can’t kill the assassins solo, and I think it actually should be so. Try to communicate with your team beforehand. I always tell my group that everyone should attack the marked target (cos some of them won’t attack it even if i tell them to) and mark themselves if they spot an assassin. If you get even 2 or 3 guys DPSing the assassin, it’s possible to stop it from almost point-blank range. If all else fails, go stand in front of Magg yourself and try your best. This way, I have actually never failed the Magg room, with multiple different parties.
Good luck typing while playing. Not everyone is on VOIP. Calling target helps but switching target also takes a few precious seconds because you need to cancel ur current attack. If 2 or 3 guys have bad DPS, still not going to take down the assassin at point blank range.
Just admit it you never played with terribad pugs. It is almost as if you think that it is impossible to fail P2. No one can solo this stage even the solo Lupicus etc guys.
A very good party could very well 3 man it the whole way, but it is kind of stretching it. I very much doubt it is 2 mannable.
Apologies to those who may find my posts on GW2 forums offensive and hateful.
And you dont seem to get the point, YTY. How the hell do you actually die at this stage POST PATCH? FYI those 2 dead weren’t thieves. One was a warrior in fact! I can understand if you were unlucky and the mobs happened to combo KD, stun etc you and can’t even rally, but only very rarely.
Apologies to those who may find my posts on GW2 forums offensive and hateful.
I dont use VOIP. I just don’t step into the room until I’ve typed those few sentences and made sure my party knows what to do. I can make my party wait those 10 seconds i need to make sure they know what we have to do.
However, if someone is dying in this room, they are just bad, and THEN no amount of advice you give can help. Maybe i’m lucky then but I haven’t had people who are so bad that they can cause it to fail alone. Anyways, If you get people like that, you will probably fail in any dungeon, not just CoF p2. That means the problem is not specific to the dungeon and route, it is specific to those bad players! Good luck with AC kholer if 3 guys get downed every time he pulls.
Like with any instance, it can seem hard until you learn it. Instead of listing why you feel it is bad, spend the time to learn it. Most find the new encounter much easier than the old one.
It is telling that the main ‘tactic’ for the old encounter was kite and rez-rush when you did die. The new encounter actually uses valid tactics and can be beaten without any deaths regardless of party makeup or party DPS.
Like with any instance, it can seem hard until you learn it. Instead of listing why you feel it is bad, spend the time to learn it. Most find the new encounter much easier than the old one.
It is telling that the main ‘tactic’ for the old encounter was kite and rez-rush when you did die. The new encounter actually uses valid tactics and can be beaten without any deaths regardless of party makeup or party DPS.
Seriously I mean if SynfulChaoT is referring to my thread and is either willfully misinterpreting my thread or lack any comprehension skills, what hope do I have in communicating a strategy to a similar teammate in a few sentences? Did I say at any point is it bad or hard? No, if 2 or more your teammates are at least average players and are in classes that does good DPS / have CC skills to carry the other 2 teammates, it becomes easy. If you die at all in this room (maybe excusable for glass cannon thieves but even then u should not be dead) u are a bad player regardless of the “tactics”.
PS:
Good luck with AC kholer if 3 guys get downed every time he pulls.
Big deal, most people can solo kholer with a little practice. It just takes more time.
Apologies to those who may find my posts on GW2 forums offensive and hateful.
Seriously I mean if SynfulChaoT is referring to my thread and is either willfully misinterpreting my thread or lack any comprehension skills, what hope do I have in communicating a strategy to a similar teammate in a few sentences? Did I say at any point is it bad or hard? No, if 2 or more your teammates are at least average players and are in classes that does good DPS / have CC skills to carry the other 2 teammates, it becomes easy. If you die at all in this room (maybe excusable for glass cannon thieves but even then u should not be dead) u are a bad player regardless of the “tactics”.
No misinterpreting. I agree with you in that it is now easier and that it is a skill check. I was responding to others saying it is harder now.
It is telling that the main ‘tactic’ for the old encounter was kite and rez-rush when you did die. The new encounter actually uses valid tactics and can be beaten without any deaths regardless of party makeup or party DPS.
Actually the old kiting was a skill check for warriors and guardians. Good guardians can solo until 80%+ and the best warrior can actually solo kite the entire thing or at least until 90%+ believe or not.
Apologies to those who may find my posts on GW2 forums offensive and hateful.
At first I was leery of COF P2 as invariably if u are in a party that sucks, u will fail. But I come to appreciate as a filter for bad players (if they are not aware of the new mechanic post patch its ok). I mean if you actually die more than once in 2 or 3 tries in protecting Magg stage, I think its very unlikely you can chalk that up to bad luck.
I am being semi serious here; you can tell who knows how to play their profession and whether they know how to dodge or revive off enemies when downed. It’s even more telling to see who knows how to use food buffs/consumables if and when something hits the fan. Thus it is a nice filter for who to play with any dungeon harder than this.
It’s not really a filter. Bad players will be there regardless since they just assume the party can carry them. It’s just more frustration for those having to carry the bad players that’s all.
