Guild Wars 2

Fun run and good job to everyone involved

1st Ele: xallever.1874 (Anessia Sylmarion)
2nd Ele: FrigginManatees.1268 (Friggin Manatease)
3rd Ele: Absurdo.8309 (Sola Ash)
Warrior: No Pulse.2967 (Unspoken Truth)
Mesmer: Jiyn.3158 (Gambit Stormcrow)

Very impressive and fun to watch! Good job~

Axelwarrior.9084:

Very impressive and fun to watch! Good job~

Thanks! It was very fun to do.

Axelwarrior.9084:

Very impressive and fun to watch! Good job~

Not sure where the fun is in doing 200k dps tbh.

Miku Lawrence.6329:

Axelwarrior.9084:

Very impressive and fun to watch! Good job~

Not sure where the fun is in doing 200k dps tbh.

You’ll never know how good having great dps feels as a mesmer

Good job anyway, clean run.

oxtred.7658:

Miku Lawrence.6329:

Axelwarrior.9084:

Very impressive and fun to watch! Good job~

Not sure where the fun is in doing 200k dps tbh.

You’ll never know how good having great dps feels as a mesmer

Good job anyway, clean run.

Thanks!

You don’t bring a Mesmer for their DPS ;D

#Mesploits2014

I stopped playing mesmer because i couldn’t bear having such a low dps :/

I’m a selfish player. ( Also i always failed my portals)

oxtred.7658:

I stopped playing mesmer because i couldn’t bear having such a low dps :/

I’m a selfish player. ( Also i always failed my portals)

It helps if your guildies call you a Mehmer instead

oxtred.7658:

I stopped playing mesmer because i couldn’t bear having such a low dps :/

I’m a selfish player. ( Also i always failed my portals)

I mained Mesmer for a while and then stopped playing it when they were nerfed hard due to the WvW crowd complaining :/

Excellent, now you need to beat my path 2 record.

J Eberle.9312:

Excellent, now you need to beat my path 2 record.

Oh trust me…it’s on the books ;D

impressive, might have to give a few of those mesmer tricks a try in my groups

Jerus.4350:

impressive, might have to give a few of those mesmer tricks a try in my groups

I’m rusty as hell on Mesmer though…it was a blast picking it up for this.

Jiyn.3158:

Jerus.4350:

impressive, might have to give a few of those mesmer tricks a try in my groups

I’m rusty as hell on Mesmer though…it was a blast picking it up for this.

Yeah, for some reason though I thought the “no no no” guy was rooted in place, that alone is a nice little eye opener. Combine that with the mass invis at the begining, just those two could make my PUGs more interesting. Then the Dredge part, I wonder if you could yank them to the side like that and toss a set of wardens on them for perma projectile defense?

Either way you got me thinking, thanks

Jerus.4350:

Jiyn.3158:

Jerus.4350:

impressive, might have to give a few of those mesmer tricks a try in my groups

I’m rusty as hell on Mesmer though…it was a blast picking it up for this.

Yeah, for some reason though I thought the “no no no” guy was rooted in place, that alone is a nice little eye opener. Combine that with the mass invis at the begining, just those two could make my PUGs more interesting. Then the Dredge part, I wonder if you could yank them to the side like that and toss a set of wardens on them for perma projectile defense?

Either way you got me thinking, thanks

Probably can at the dredge part…just the whole timing. I had traited wardens which are lazy at times so have to consider that :/

Jiyn.3158:

Jerus.4350:

Jiyn.3158:

Jerus.4350:

impressive, might have to give a few of those mesmer tricks a try in my groups

I’m rusty as hell on Mesmer though…it was a blast picking it up for this.

Yeah, for some reason though I thought the “no no no” guy was rooted in place, that alone is a nice little eye opener. Combine that with the mass invis at the begining, just those two could make my PUGs more interesting. Then the Dredge part, I wonder if you could yank them to the side like that and toss a set of wardens on them for perma projectile defense?

Either way you got me thinking, thanks

Probably can at the dredge part…just the whole timing. I had traited wardens which are lazy at times so have to consider that :/

Yeah, well we usually run with a guardian so if it doesn’t work out we always have the walls still, but it’d be interesting to try. I usually don’t trait my wardens unless I want temporal curtain for reflects, which isn’t often due to it’s height issues. And by Dredge part I meant the Cart part in case that was confusing since well… it’s all dredge.

nice work doods, i liked the cc at the clowncar. mesmer gs op

Wait, mesmer gs? I must watch the video then. It was about time you elitists discovered the true power of the highest dps for a mesmer.
When is the record with a boarbow coming out?

You don’t bring a Mesmer for their dps :P

Gs offers a decent pushback which is what was needed in combination with the focus pull in order to get the initial mobs away from the dredge cart.

It also gave me the excuse to put the twilight skin on the gs xD

JasmineLong.6514:

You don’t bring a Mesmer for their dps :P

Gs offers a decent pushback which is what was needed in combination with the focus pull in order to get the initial mobs away from the dredge cart.

It also gave me the excuse to put the twilight skin on the gs xD

The spot is terrible tho.

beef beef beef

Miku Lawrence.6329:

JasmineLong.6514:

You don’t bring a Mesmer for their dps :P

Gs offers a decent pushback which is what was needed in combination with the focus pull in order to get the initial mobs away from the dredge cart.

It also gave me the excuse to put the twilight skin on the gs xD

The spot is terrible tho.

Meh it worked during all the runs we did.

Tried right after I saw your run, not a single projectile was blocked ._.

I thought that spot was a good one, most of the grenades were blocked by the overhanging ledge.

Nice run!

I’m disappointed that you guys didn’t bring an Engi for this one

billykwong.3742:

I’m disappointed that you guys didn’t bring an Engi for this one

Unfortunately we couldn’t find a use for engi in this one

We’re working on getting more engi runs in.

Miku Lawrence.6329:

Axelwarrior.9084:

Very impressive and fun to watch! Good job~

Not sure where the fun is in doing 200k dps tbh.

So erm, you’re implying that hitting high damage isn’t fun. I’m not sure how doing lower damage equates to having more fun. These guys aren’t going to find this dungeon challenging regardless of what they choose to do, so 200k DPS or not that seems pretty irrelevant.

Purple Miku.7032:

Miku Lawrence.6329:

Axelwarrior.9084:

Very impressive and fun to watch! Good job~

Not sure where the fun is in doing 200k dps tbh.

I’m not sure how doing lower damage equates to having more fun.

All the fun in this game come from holding strafe button with auto attack on. If one thing in this game trivialize bosses it has to be ranging, not melee’ing.

^ I’m not sure either how killing a boss before he does his attack is fun. But hey, I must be a casual.

Miku Lawrence.6329:

^ I’m not sure either how killing a boss before he does his attack is fun. But hey, I must be a casual.

There is usually more team coordination to kill a boss in 10 seconds than there is in killing one in 5 minutes. Efficient boss pulling, fast might blasting, Aegis, Deep freeze. When doing so, you usually trust your members to do their part, or it could end up in a wipe.

To be fair, it’s not the short fight duration I think is fun, but rather the way people o it. Faster kill is just a side effect, I wouldn’t mind longer fight.

Miku Lawrence.6329:

^ I’m not sure either how killing a boss before he does his attack is fun. But hey, I must be a casual.

It’s fun because fighting hp bags that can’t even do anything is the epitome of video game entertainment. Attacking lions arch targets was the true end game before it was destroyed. If you can not appreciate the sheer joy of pressing 4 in walls and the extreme amounts of skill required, then yes good sir, you are a casual.

So we agree 200k DPS nullifies the need for Aegis and anything defense related

To Colesy, let’s not extrapolate shall we?

I liek my guardien , pls no h8 my claas.

J Eberle.9312:

I liek my guardien , pls no h8 my claas.

We didn’t even use a guardian though xD

Pls no h8 my guild

is 2 laet, i now h8.

J Eberle.9312:

is 2 laet, i now h8.

H8 d8 m8

Miku Lawrence.6329:

So we agree 200k DPS nullifies the need for Aegis and anything defense related

To Colesy, let’s not extrapolate shall we?

More like basic enemy AI/encounters nullifies the need for anything defense-related. Even with this same DPS, groups still would fail against bosses like Mossman, Archdiviner, Captain Ashym, Shaman+Ettin (sorta), etc.

Arguably their higher HP has a lot to do with it, but Archdiviner is probably one of the best boss encounters there is on GW2 and to be able to FGS him properly requires quite a few defense-related skills to pull off. But you know this, so you should also know that the weapon really isn’t the problem.

Dungeons are too basic and whether or not groups are using FGS, all-out offense is still the way to go. Removing FGS from dungeons hardly changes anything other than the length of time it takes, so I’m really not sure what will make watching a record attempt more interesting without FGS. Nothing is going to change besides the overall time. If you’re watching a record attempt then obviously you aren’t going to see boss fights littered with messups like a lot of people on here seem to be anticipating.

Honestly, as Mikute said…. I don’t foresee the fgs nerf changing anything. We ran dungeons with 5 warriors, 4 warriors 1 mesmer, 3 warriors 1 mes 1 guardian, 4 warriors one ranger (and so on) only because we go with whatever people feel like playing – yet, if none screws up badly (and I’ll admit, without a guardian or anything of the sort screw ups are more frequent), dungeons were completed smoothly and with no hiccups. Only casual runs, not on record times, but quickly. It is to assume that a record run with a good teamcomp should be way faster and smoother than our “anything goes as long as you can play” runs.
Why would not having fgs change anything, other than the classes used? Things can go wrong even after running dungeons hundreds of times, but that’s also if you have fgs. You’re saying that the chances are much, much higher? So higher that they’d make a difference? I don’t really think so. Maybe a little higher if you have an unbalanced team, but with the proper support and if there are no big mistakes things should go just as well.
At this point, I’d rather see you direct your rage on guardians and mesmers, because most of their reflect/absorption skills completely nullify/dwarf many boss mechanics – without the need of fgs.
That is unless you go on assuming everyone but you can’t play without fgs. If it’s so, it’s not worth the 2 minutes of effort this post took me.
I’d really love if everyone could direct their hate at PHIWs, instead of random directions. Frankly, you’re starting to talk like them.

Don’t see the point of your post. I’m saying FGS makes support relevant for 3 seconds into the fight only and that once the tactic is gone, Support will be relevant for longer (because fights are longer). To me that makes fights more interesting than rushing inside a wall for 5 seconds.

I agree with Lawrence. I’d like to see fights last longer than the amount of time it takes a party to burst down bosses with fgs, even ice bow for that matter. Not to say that it doesn’t take skill and coordination to pull off a clean fgs, but there is at least one record run out there that can rely on the fgs burst with sloppy play and no support. For that type of playstyle to represent optimal and efficiency? I dunno, but I’m definitely not a fan.

Speaking strictly in terms of Dungeons of course. High-level FotM I feel the risk/reward is fine.

Tom Yzf.5872:

Speaking strictly in terms of Dungeons of course. High-level FotM I feel the risk/reward is fine.

That’s why the skill itself isn’t the problem, but the dungeon encounters. If it’s trivial enough to mow down with an FGS, it’s trivial enough to do it using anything else too.

Purple Miku.7032:

That’s why the skill itself isn’t the problem, but the dungeon encounters…

I can agree with this statement. But at the same time I have a hard time not thinking of how anet would deal with the problem realistically. Chances are slim to none that they will adjust all dungeon encounters to match high level FotM. So all that is left is to balance fgs itself.

They could always add more HP and make people run out of burst/support.
#Anchor guardian hype

PHIW’s

I really don’t understand why people are still discussing FGS for record runs in the current meta.

The point of record runs isn’t always about the ability to one shot bosses using FGS, but the strategic timings on when and where to use them. We only had one pair of FGS for the 2nd boss fight because we sacrificed that DPS over mobility.

We also couldn’t time warp on the dredge cart because of the mass invis in the beginning. That’s a high DPS loss too.

The high level of coordination as a team is also a challenge on its own.

I expect better from people who don’t consider themselves a casual. FGSing isn’t what makes this game fun, but it is there as a tool in our disposal. That’s all there is to it.

We still had fun because of the new strats and coordination required to pull it off (like, if it was so easy to be perfect, our Mesmer wouldn’t have casted feedback that early). And it’s easy to tell that our rotations went downhill from the dredge cart onwards due to how different Eles were to time their swirlings differently.

And +1 to Purple Miku regarding FGS and Archdiviner.

spoj.9672:

PHIW’s

“If you disagree with me, you’re a PHIW”

Dungeon cesspool at its finest.

maha.7902:

spoj.9672:

PHIW’s

“If you disagree with me, you’re a PHIW”

Dungeon cesspool at its finest.

If you complain about things being op and ask for nerfs then you are a PHIW. I play to win, i dont give a kitten how cheesy something is. Likewise i also dont care that its going to be nerfed. Im more bothered by anets priorities than anything.

“PHIW” is playing suboptimally because you prefer a certain way – but at the cost of a faster clear time.

My impression is that Miku Lawrence dislikes the current state of things but abides to it because it’s simply the best. I dislike the current state of things so I’ve abstained from doing dungeons with the guild because they’re doing things I’m vehemently opposed to (extensive use of overpowered conjures).

Expressing your opposition of an oppressively powerful weapon is not “PHIW”, it’s expressing an opinion.

Play other games. The dungeoneering is stale here. I don’t get why so called ‘speedclear’ guilds who think they are awesome clearing 2 year old easy content a couple of seconds faster is interesting. Until anet won’t release new stuff I am just off to do somethinge else.