There was supposed to be a huge dungeon overhaul that began with AC. Hopefully CoF is next. That dungeon has been rampant with player abuse, exploits and elitist fragmentation since the game launched.
It took FoW and UW in GW five years to get to that point. And even then it wasn’t as difficult to find a non-speed clear, non-specialist group to complete those dungeons as it is for CoF after less than a year.
If it weren’t for the story mode side that people need to complete, I would be in favor of just locking the doors until a redesign is done.
There was supposed to be a huge dungeon overhaul that began with AC. Hopefully CoF is next. That dungeon has been rampant with player abuse, exploits and elitist fragmentation since the game launched.
It took FoW and UW in GW five years to get to that point. And even then it wasn’t as difficult to find a non-speed clear, non-specialist group to complete those dungeons as it is for CoF after less than a year.
If it weren’t for the story mode side that people need to complete, I would be in favor of just locking the doors until a redesign is done.
With Hrouda on the Living Story team, I doubt much is going to get done about dungeons for quite some time. I wouldn’t be surprised if Anet saw them as a lost cause at this point. Not to mention all of the negativity that changing AC brought…. What a mess of complaints.
However, I never understood the point of spending 10-15 minutes waiting for the “perfect” group, which can complete it in 3-5 minutes less than your typical group.
However, I never understood the point of spending 10-15 minutes waiting for the “perfect” group, which can complete it in 3-5 minutes less than your typical group.
However, I never understood the point of spending 10-15 minutes waiting for the “perfect” group, which can complete it in 3-5 minutes less than your typical group.
However, I never understood the point of spending 10-15 minutes waiting for the “perfect” group, which can complete it in 3-5 minutes less than your typical group.
I have always wondered this too.
This particular lfg is little…..whatever. But a typical 1 mes/4 war zerker group generally takes less than a minute to fill and they usually do multiple runs.
He got moved?? W T H
Does that mean there’s a job opening?? B/c I don’t see any.
Y’know some of us would do it for Minimum Wage (& maybe Dental).
Is redesigning these things hard? Yes.
Is it a thankless job guaranteeing non-stop complaints from the community? Yes.
…Is it some position they can just leave out for the meantime and hope no one notices?? HECK NO.
All it really comes down to, is just being a Good Listener. …instead of trying to be the Evil Dungeon master in a competitive game of D&D.
He got moved?? W T H
Does that mean there’s a job opening?? B/c I don’t see any.
Y’know some of us would do it for Minimum Wage (& maybe Dental).
Is redesigning these things hard? Yes.
Is it a thankless job guaranteeing non-stop complaints from the community? Yes.
…Is it some position they can just leave out for the meantime and hope no one notices?? HECK NO.
All it really comes down to, is just being a Good Listener. …instead of trying to be the Evil Dungeon master in a competitive game of D&D.
There was no zoom out hack or any other hack or exploit in that video at all.
oh certainly , no way i can zoom out that much like in this video ..its evident when they kill the acolytes .. the toon is so tiny .. 100% zoom out hack
What is a super silgl of night? I have no idea what that item is
Since it says “super” it must be from SAB, like the super skins
We use superior sigils of the night because they add +10% damage to EVERYTHING at night. Inside CoF, it’s always night (you can check with AC weps) so you get permanent +10% damage. This includes structures (hint hint gaters).
There was no zoom out hack or any other hack or exploit in that video at all.
oh certainly , no way i can zoom out that much like in this video ..its evident when they kill the acolytes .. the toon is so tiny .. 100% zoom out hack
What advantage would a “zoom out hack” even give you in a situation like this?
There was no zoom out hack or any other hack or exploit in that video at all.
oh certainly , no way i can zoom out that much like in this video ..its evident when they kill the acolytes .. the toon is so tiny .. 100% zoom out hack
I can zoom out more than twice as much without using any hacks.
Well, maybe I’m soft-hearted, but to me it looks like a desperate soul who had a nervous breakdown after the 100th zerker warrior who never swaps from gs. Unfortunately, the setup is meaningless if you can’t do a half-decent dps rotation, Signet of inspiration or not. Even telling them when to use skills doesn’t work.
“Use FgJ before the gate opens! No? Ok, I guess you don’t like 25 stacks of might…”
LoL, I always post in my LFG for CoF “Non-psycho group LFM. No pinging gear allowed.” CoF is getting way to serious. The elitism on the lfg website is just outrageous sometimes.
LoL, I always post in my LFG for CoF “Non-psycho group LFM. No pinging gear allowed.” CoF is getting way to serious. The elitism on the lfg website is just outrageous sometimes.
When I’m looking to do a few runs I’ll say Lfm zerkers. Nothing else. Every single time I do that, the first few warriors who join always ping their gear. I know they’ve been hard grained to assume all cof players are kittens but every time I see someone pinging their gear I die a little inside. If you joined the group then I believe you have decent dps gear and that’s good enough. Unless the run takes 15 minutes, we won’t press the issue, and if someone else does, then they can leave.
I agree with the OP , here’s my 2 cents . To all the ppl who flame me for ridiculous reasons like I put my banner between slavery and the wall, I hope in the morning you use a superior sigil of faster eating on your corn flakes a superior sigil of drying on your teatowel to speed up the drying , you then sprint to work and use a superior sigil of faster writing on your office documents at work , this will save you 2 minutes at the end of the day that let’s you get onto gw2 faster. If you dont do any of this then all the optimization you do in cof is in vein. Cos let’s face it you certainly act like that’s what you do in life.
I agree with the OP , here’s my 2 cents . To all the ppl who flame me for ridiculous reasons like I put my banner between slavery and the wall, I hope in the morning you use a superior sigil of faster eating on your corn flakes a superior sigil of drying on your teatowel to speed up the drying , you then sprint to work and use a superior sigil of faster writing on your office documents at work , this will save you 2 minutes at the end of the day that let’s you get onto gw2 faster. If you dont do any of this then all the optimization you do in cof is in vein. Cos let’s face it you certainly act like that’s what you do in life.
I really hope you read this, because I truly want you to try and understand something from a different perspective. I don’t put up with people flaming in my runs, I like to keep them light, but serious. You need to understand that all the things cof runners do aren’t just to save 1 minute of their lives. It’s all about maximizing efficiency. Some people who play this game are serious (us) and some are more casual (you). You need to understand that the reasons you play this game are NOT the same as the reasons we do. I know that for me, the most fun I can have is when trying to be as efficient as possible in my runs. If that means there are certain random people I can’t run with, so be it. I can find new random people who are as serious as I am. If you don’t like the way speedrunners play and you don’t understand/agree with their methods of clearing a dungeon you should start forming your own groups or joining non speed-runs. And pinging gear is just an effect of having done a large number of cof runs. If you’d done the amount of runs we have, and played with the kind of people we have, you’d be asking for gear checks too.
The deal with CoF farming community is that there are people who are content just getting it done, people who like to get it done quickly, and then people who want to get it done quick as humanly possible. And every group hates the other two.
I really hope you read this, because I truly want you to try and understand something from a different perspective. I don’t put up with people flaming in my runs, I like to keep them light, but serious. You need to understand that all the things cof runners do aren’t just to save 1 minute of their lives. It’s all about maximizing efficiency. Some people who play this game are serious (us) and some are more casual (you). You need to understand that the reasons you play this game are NOT the same as the reasons we do. I know that for me, the most fun I can have is when trying to be as efficient as possible in my runs. If that means there are certain random people I can’t run with, so be it. I can find new random people who are as serious as I am. If you don’t like the way speedrunners play and you don’t understand/agree with their methods of clearing a dungeon you should start forming your own groups or joining non speed-runs. And pinging gear is just an effect of having done a large number of cof runs. If you’d done the amount of runs we have, and played with the kind of people we have, you’d be asking for gear checks too.
If you want to speed run, why not just say lf zerkers? Any class can do content fast if they are spec’d right. Warriors aren’t the only ones who do stupidly high damage. You might lose 20 seconds per run but so what? 1 minute longer after an hour of running isn’t a problem. And gear checks are insulting. If someone joined a zerker only run, gear checking is just your way of saying you don’t trust that person. The absolute dumbest thing I’ve seen but happens EVERY DAY is when your group kicks a guy with 5k+ achieves, who does the dungeon every day, who almost never makes a mistake, but has the wrong sigil or rune or something, and you replace him with some noob with 1200ish achieves who doesn’t know the dungeon and who downs or dies on almost every encounter.
If you want to speed run, why not just say lf zerkers? Any class can do content fast if they are spec’d right.
4warriors + 1 mesmers can facetank things and never stop attacking
Its not only dps…its more pull mobs there, and keep them where they are while enhancing party damage.
(for example into the void => TW => iLeap => signet; null field etc etc)
I ll tell you more…
As a mesmer the FIRST time you learn a speed run is actually fun and an interesting elaborate strategy……that as everything can be repeated ad nauseam with no risk once you learn it.
GW2 balance:
A PvE player is supposed to avoid a 1-2 second 1 shotting aoe.
A WWW player is considered uncapable of avoiding a 5,75 second aoe for half his health.
4warriors + 1 mesmers can facetank things and never stop attacking
Its not only dps…its more pull mobs there, and keep them where they are while enhancing party damage.
(for example into the void => TW => iLeap => signet; null field etc etc)
I ll tell you more…
As a mesmer the FIRST time you learn a speed run is actually fun and an interesting elaborate strategy……that as everything can be repeated ad nauseam with no risk once you learn it.
Run high level fractals (cliffside with archdiviner and even uncategorized kitten golems) with such team composition and tell me how does it work for you. Eagerly waiting for an answer.
I really hope you read this, because I truly want you to try and understand something from a different perspective. I don’t put up with people flaming in my runs, I like to keep them light, but serious. You need to understand that all the things cof runners do aren’t just to save 1 minute of their lives. It’s all about maximizing efficiency. Some people who play this game are serious (us) and some are more casual (you). You need to understand that the reasons you play this game are NOT the same as the reasons we do. I know that for me, the most fun I can have is when trying to be as efficient as possible in my runs. If that means there are certain random people I can’t run with, so be it. I can find new random people who are as serious as I am. If you don’t like the way speedrunners play and you don’t understand/agree with their methods of clearing a dungeon you should start forming your own groups or joining non speed-runs. And pinging gear is just an effect of having done a large number of cof runs. If you’d done the amount of runs we have, and played with the kind of people we have, you’d be asking for gear checks too.
If you want to speed run, why not just say lf zerkers? Any class can do content fast if they are spec’d right. Warriors aren’t the only ones who do stupidly high damage. You might lose 20 seconds per run but so what? 1 minute longer after an hour of running isn’t a problem. And gear checks are insulting. If someone joined a zerker only run, gear checking is just your way of saying you don’t trust that person. The absolute dumbest thing I’ve seen but happens EVERY DAY is when your group kicks a guy with 5k+ achieves, who does the dungeon every day, who almost never makes a mistake, but has the wrong sigil or rune or something, and you replace him with some noob with 1200ish achieves who doesn’t know the dungeon and who downs or dies on almost every encounter.
I do random zerker runs with my guardian. They are never within 20 seconds of the 1 mes/4 war zerker runs I do. Generally a minimum of a minute longer, usually much more. They are also less reliable and times vary wildly between runs.
1 minute longer doesn’t bother me, because I just do one run with my guard. But when I’m doing a bunch of runs it just makes sense to do the 1 mes/4 war runs. They are ALWAYS faster and more reliable and most of them are in it for multiple runs as well.
4warriors + 1 mesmers can facetank things and never stop attacking
Its not only dps…its more pull mobs there, and keep them where they are while enhancing party damage.
(for example into the void => TW => iLeap => signet; null field etc etc)
I ll tell you more…
As a mesmer the FIRST time you learn a speed run is actually fun and an interesting elaborate strategy……that as everything can be repeated ad nauseam with no risk once you learn it.
Run high level fractals (cliffside with archdiviner and even uncategorized kitten golems) with such team composition and tell me how does it work for you. Eagerly waiting for an answer.
He’s talking about CoF1 specifically. Of course that composition isn’t the best everywhere. Just switch in a guardian for one warrior or 2 guards for one warrior and the mesmer and the fights you mention are trivialized at 48 fractals.
He’s talking about CoF1 specifically. Of course that composition isn’t the best everywhere. Just switch in a guardian for one warrior or 2 guards for one warrior and the mesmer and the fights you mention are trivialized at 48 fractals.
Actually, I’ve seen Byron use the 4w/1m stuff in arguments regarding high level fractals as well. Things along the lines of “well, of course if you run 4w/1m it’s super easy”.
Legion of Doom [LOD] – Death ’n Taxes [DnT]
“People wanting content where Berserker sucks should remember that it needs be so hard
that they will cry, not just a river, but a huge ocean.” – Wethospu
You only trade 2 war for 2 guard for 48 fractals. It’s not like there is a huge variation of classes in speedrunning. For other dungeons you just trade one war for one guard.
Does that allow you to facetank 20k archdiviner autoattacks without glitching him on higher level?
1. You CAN’T use hounds twice. The ENTIRE POINT of speed running is to repeat it. Hounds has a 4 minute cooldown. Using it twice per run requires that there be 8 minutes between each slave driver and 8 minutes between each final boss. Your best possible REPEATABLE time is then an 8 minute run with that setup.
2. Because you are repeating runs, your actual time is from any specific point in 1 run to the exact same point in your 2nd run, not from gate to boss.
I really hope you read this, because I truly want you to try and understand something from a different perspective. I don’t put up with people flaming in my runs, I like to keep them light, but serious. You need to understand that all the things cof runners do aren’t just to save 1 minute of their lives. It’s all about maximizing efficiency. Some people who play this game are serious (us) and some are more casual (you). You need to understand that the reasons you play this game are NOT the same as the reasons we do. I know that for me, the most fun I can have is when trying to be as efficient as possible in my runs. If that means there are certain random people I can’t run with, so be it. I can find new random people who are as serious as I am. If you don’t like the way speedrunners play and you don’t understand/agree with their methods of clearing a dungeon you should start forming your own groups or joining non speed-runs. And pinging gear is just an effect of having done a large number of cof runs. If you’d done the amount of runs we have, and played with the kind of people we have, you’d be asking for gear checks too.
If you want to speed run, why not just say lf zerkers? Any class can do content fast if they are spec’d right. Warriors aren’t the only ones who do stupidly high damage. You might lose 20 seconds per run but so what? 1 minute longer after an hour of running isn’t a problem. And gear checks are insulting. If someone joined a zerker only run, gear checking is just your way of saying you don’t trust that person. The absolute dumbest thing I’ve seen but happens EVERY DAY is when your group kicks a guy with 5k+ achieves, who does the dungeon every day, who almost never makes a mistake, but has the wrong sigil or rune or something, and you replace him with some noob with 1200ish achieves who doesn’t know the dungeon and who downs or dies on almost every encounter.
I always value competence over gear. But when I’m pugging I don’t start off trusting people because a good chunk aren’t trust worthy and you don’t know who you’re dealing with. The reason you gear check is because it’s about the only criteria you have. Any dedicated/experienced cof farmer has switched to berserker gear because it is the fastest. The reason I go with warriors is because they are a heavy class with high health and you can really just facetank anything in cof. Why would i trust random people I’ve never played with before? I don’t kick people for sigils but if you don’t have dps gear then you aren’t trying to maximize efficiency and I like to play with people who do. Don’t tell me what “my run” does because you’ve never been in my run. Don’t lump every single cof group into one group that will kick you if you’re missing an orb. Having dps gear really isn’t a difficult feat so if you don’t have it you clearly aren’t serious about the runs.
1. You CAN’T use hounds twice. The ENTIRE POINT of speed running is to repeat it. Hounds has a 4 minute cooldown. Using it twice per run requires that there be 8 minutes between each slave driver and 8 minutes between each final boss. Your best possible REPEATABLE time is then an 8 minute run with that setup.
2. Because you are repeating runs, your actual time is from any specific point in 1 run to the exact same point in your 2nd run, not from gate to boss.
OK no, the whole point of the video is to get the quickest run, not multiple runs, or anything ok? THE quickest run.
Yes because between the high dps and like Razeor said, rotating aegis you quickly stop his melee phases all the time. It seems that his AoE agony is triggered by % of HP because in high dps groups his melee phase never last long enough to hurt he keeps going back to AoE agony which is pretty easy to dodge. As long as you keep hitting him a lot he’ll never stay in his “hammer/autoattack” phase for long.
Just look at strife’s video, it works pretty much the same on lvl 48 except that you do need to avoid agony there, unlike 30. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5rd5QrD21Oc
As for the cat golem obal already posted a video which shows how to deal with it in the typical zerk faceroll way. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EYs7bo-qlds
At level 48. And it’s usually much smoother with a good mesmer, his video has 3 warrior / 2 guard.
Sorry to burst bubbles here but the best group compositions in this game do not change much. It’s just a matter of “do we need more reflect / a couple more aegis”.
When I say higher level I don’t mean video with 30 or 48 but higher. For cliffside his mes have been hit for just a 10k. At higher levels it’s 20k+. Playing 30 is faceroll with almost any composition, without so-called anchor which I don’t even use because it doesn’t simply work. Secondly, obal’s vid shows exactly what I’m getting at. Asura isn’t the problem. Check what one specific golem does to his team and have in mind that on higher level you won’t burst him that fast and he does much more damage.
Now, I’m not saying that zerker doesn’t work, in fact we all use it. I’m saying you can’t facetank everything on higher levels because mistiming a dodge means not 66% dmg but 100% even with prot. Unless I’m wrong and you can find me some video.
