CoF P1, You need to calm down
4warriors + 1 mesmers can facetank things and never stop attacking
Its not only dps…its more pull mobs there, and keep them where they are while enhancing party damage.
(for example into the void => TW => iLeap => signet; null field etc etc)
I ll tell you more…
As a mesmer the FIRST time you learn a speed run is actually fun and an interesting elaborate strategy……that as everything can be repeated ad nauseam with no risk once you learn it.Run high level fractals (cliffside with archdiviner and even uncategorized kitten golems) with such team composition and tell me how does it work for you. Eagerly waiting for an answer.
i was talking about cof1
But actually if you have 2 experienced warriors and 1 mesmer you can really do everything easily (in fractal you still need to evade and know what you are doing).
Except on cliffside…
There you don t need anything but keeping yor pets out of the way…
Did you forget that warrior have ress banner?
I actually did that with 3 warrior 1 mesmer and 1 ranger ._. was easy.
GW2 balance:
A PvE player is supposed to avoid a 1-2 second 1 shotting aoe.
A WWW player is considered uncapable of avoiding a 5,75 second aoe for half his health.
A PvE player is supposed to avoid a 1-2 second 1 shotting aoe.
A WWW player is considered uncapable of avoiding a 5,75 second aoe for half his health.
No, I’ve never done what you are asking for nor do I even have the intent to, high level for most people here means a level that will actually have a chance for a reward, since what you mean by “high level” are levels we are not even supposed to do (we can only do them with someone who had access to them before they closed the maw at lvl 50. Normal progression is shut at 48.).
I’m already tired of the terrible reward from doing 48, and almost completely stopped fractals, there is absolutely no way whatsoever that I’d think about strategies that might or might not work at 50+. The terrible RNG at 48 for skins is already enough, doing fractals without even completing a daily is such a pointless activity..
As it is right now, 50+ is a no man’s land that could dramatically change once, or if, anet intends to open it again.
Fair enough. One more question though it’s been already derailed. Generally, if you run 2 guardians, one of them is “anchor” 0/0/30/30/10 (V,VI,XI; III,VII,XI; VI) with runes of soldier and another is damage oriented 0/30/0/30/10 (VI,X,XI; II,VIII,XI; VI) with ruby orbs/rune of scholar, right?
Pretty much yeah… I think I run soldier on my DPS guardian as well though (not sure, could be orbs as well, I should check it out..). Mainly because I use the DPS spec in dungeons as well, which means that every shout I use will remove 1 condi and change 1 condi in a boon, which is pretty OP. But I guess you could run orbs/scholar as well.
Legion of Doom [LOD] – Death ’n Taxes [DnT]
“People wanting content where Berserker sucks should remember that it needs be so hard
that they will cry, not just a river, but a huge ocean.” – Wethospu
“People wanting content where Berserker sucks should remember that it needs be so hard
that they will cry, not just a river, but a huge ocean.” – Wethospu
(edited by Bright.9160)
No, I’ve never done what you are asking for nor do I even have the intent to, high level for most people here means a level that will actually have a chance for a reward, since what you mean by “high level” are levels we are not even supposed to do (we can only do them with someone who had access to them before they closed the maw at lvl 50. Normal progression is shut at 48.).
I’m already tired of the terrible reward from doing 48, and almost completely stopped fractals, there is absolutely no way whatsoever that I’d think about strategies that might or might not work at 50+. The terrible RNG at 48 for skins is already enough, doing fractals without even completing a daily is such a pointless activity..
As it is right now, 50+ is a no man’s land that could dramatically change once, or if, anet intends to open it again.
Fair enough. One more question though it’s been already derailed. Generally, if you run 2 guardians, one of them is “anchor” 0/0/30/30/10 (V,VI,XI; III,VII,XI; VI) with runes of soldier and another is damage oriented 0/30/0/30/10 (VI,X,XI; II,VIII,XI; VI) with ruby orbs/rune of scholar, right?
Don’t have a guardian past lvl 40 (character not fractal :P) yet so not sure on the builds themselves, but ya that’s the basic idea but also both reflecting when it completely destroys the “mechanics” anet uses.
I’m usually on my scholar set and switch to soldier set (runes, berserker armor) for condition dealing encounter, especially when one of those conditions is poison.
Anyway, why 0/30/0/30/10? I’m running 10/25/0/25/10 and find the damage output to be noticable higher while granting same amount of “support”. Just because of Pure of Voice for those who can’t afford a second set?
So the whole point in loosing ~10% damage output is not having to change the armor between encounters? Understandable, i often forget to change back to my scholar set after Belka and wonder why i deal so little damage at abom and my reflects at lupi are only 18/5k instead of 20/6k.
Oh and i hate guardians who use Virtue of Justice, rather missing some might stacks than beeing unable to see a boss. Anet, please fix that blue fire!
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CoF p1 is allrdy easy enough, why you need perfect setups for this? I don’t get it. Even with a necro you can do this kindergarten-stuff under 10 mins. Why A-Net is calling this a dungeon? I will never understand. It should be called “Farming for Beginners”.
Read It Backwards [BooN]
O-o-o-overkill. You don’t need more than pure of voice if you’re the sole dps guardian (for dungeons like CoE),
Like I said, I should check my guard first… I’m not entirely sure.
I like the 10/25/0/25/10 build as well, the sole reason I went with 0/30/0/30/10 was for pure of voice, I might check out dubs idea..
Legion of Doom [LOD] – Death ’n Taxes [DnT]
“People wanting content where Berserker sucks should remember that it needs be so hard
that they will cry, not just a river, but a huge ocean.” – Wethospu
“People wanting content where Berserker sucks should remember that it needs be so hard
that they will cry, not just a river, but a huge ocean.” – Wethospu
10 mins
That’s why people are being so freak-show about it. If they can’t get their run done in 7 minutes or less, then something’s wrong.
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10 mins
That’s why people are being so freak-show about it. If they can’t get their run done in 7 minutes or less, then something’s wrong.
yep, they better off searching 20 mins for a zerk warrior instead. Probably don’t get the math.
Read It Backwards [BooN]
What weaponsets are we running for DPS guardians in fractal 48? I usually would run a pvt with zerker jewels/accessories and 30/30/10 symbols/altruistic healing spec, especially if my melee group needed the hammer permaprot and symbol healing.
But I’d like to try something else…
What weaponsets are we running for DPS guardians in fractal 48? I usually would run a pvt with zerker jewels/accessories and 30/30/10 symbols/altruistic healing spec, especially if my melee group needed the hammer permaprot and symbol healing.
But I’d like to try something else…
DPS means Zerker everywhere… You could get away with maybe knights weapons, but I run full zerk on everything.
As for weaponsets: Sword Focus for high DPS output. Staff for might stacking, GS for pulling and certain fights (elemental source, Asura, Grawl Shaman), Hammer for Ascalon (Ring of Warding yo), Grawl veteran event. Scepter focus for Grawl shaman.
I usually sit on Sw/Fc + Hammer (or GS). When I know there is a possibility I’ll need to swap to range (Ice shaman, elemental source), I’ll sit on Sc/Fc in my offset.
Currently my sigils are all mostly accuracy, but I’m thinking of switching to Force. Energy on focus and staff.
Legion of Doom [LOD] – Death ’n Taxes [DnT]
“People wanting content where Berserker sucks should remember that it needs be so hard
that they will cry, not just a river, but a huge ocean.” – Wethospu
“People wanting content where Berserker sucks should remember that it needs be so hard
that they will cry, not just a river, but a huge ocean.” – Wethospu
Just for all the people posting times, quickest one I’ve seen is my buddy doing a 5:42 run with 1 mes 2 thief 2 war.
All the same mistakes espada made last time.
1. You CAN’T use hounds twice. The ENTIRE POINT of speed running is to repeat it. Hounds has a 4 minute cooldown. Using it twice per run requires that there be 8 minutes between each slave driver and 8 minutes between each final boss. Your best possible REPEATABLE time is then an 8 minute run with that setup.
2. Because you are repeating runs, your actual time is from any specific point in 1 run to the exact same point in your 2nd run, not from gate to boss.OK no, the whole point of the video is to get the quickest run, not multiple runs, or anything ok? THE quickest run.
Nobody cares what you can do in ONE run. If I had a character that insta killed everything in 1 dungeon on a 24hr cd and it couldn’t do anything else, sure it would be convenient for ONE run but it wouldn’t accomplish anything in terms of efficiency.
Yeah, its not practical, since the point of the speedclear is to farm over and over for currency. There was mention of a different food being used as well. I am pretty sure most recordings that are posted on youtube, were people that were set up to do multiple runs, and play like they normally play, with omnomberry bars ect. .
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10 mins
That’s why people are being so freak-show about it. If they can’t get their run done in 7 minutes or less, then something’s wrong.
yep, they better off searching 20 mins for a zerk warrior instead. Probably don’t get the math.
If they were searching for 20 mins then I’d agree but everybody either started out a warrior or rerolled a warrior. Zerk wars are so common now that zerk war only groups take 2 mins or less to fill up. Also no need to be an ahole just b/c you’re a necro. I’m not a warrior either, doesn’t give anyone the right to get snappy.
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What weaponsets are we running for DPS guardians in fractal 48? I usually would run a pvt with zerker jewels/accessories and 30/30/10 symbols/altruistic healing spec, especially if my melee group needed the hammer permaprot and symbol healing.
But I’d like to try something else…
DPS means Zerker everywhere… You could get away with maybe knights weapons, but I run full zerk on everything.
As for weaponsets: Sword Focus for high DPS output. Staff for might stacking, GS for pulling and certain fights (elemental source, Asura, Grawl Shaman), Hammer for Ascalon (Ring of Warding yo), Grawl veteran event. Scepter focus for Grawl shaman.
I usually sit on Sw/Fc + Hammer (or GS). When I know there is a possibility I’ll need to swap to range (Ice shaman, elemental source), I’ll sit on Sc/Fc in my offset.
Currently my sigils are all mostly accuracy, but I’m thinking of switching to Force. Energy on focus and staff.
Yeah I get zerker is DPS, I just run this setup as a temporary compromise because I also WvW, and I don’t have another spare 100g sitting for a second set of cultural T3 armor to transmute to.
I hope to try sword soon because mostly I’ve ran greatsword and quite frankly I am tired of it, so I might go sword/focus and hammer instead.
Lol, or farm CoF/CoE/Arah for a zerk set? CoE armor doesn’t look too bad. No one is forcing you to run it in full t3…
Legion of Doom [LOD] – Death ’n Taxes [DnT]
“People wanting content where Berserker sucks should remember that it needs be so hard
that they will cry, not just a river, but a huge ocean.” – Wethospu
“People wanting content where Berserker sucks should remember that it needs be so hard
that they will cry, not just a river, but a huge ocean.” – Wethospu
You guys are missing the point completely. The person in question is simply looking to build a group of elite contacts.
I’ve been on runs with someone asking for Ascended gear, and we have been running CoF together since. It’s simply a way to filter out those not serious, to find people easier.
Stop being so instantly judgmental. People making fun of him should be ashamed.
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yep, they better off searching 20 mins for a zerk warrior instead. Probably don’t get the math.
Nah those elitist scumbags get the math alright. It’s the ones who disagree with them are making exaggerated “waiting 20 mins” or downplayed “only a few second difference” estimates.
10 mins
That’s why people are being so freak-show about it. If they can’t get their run done in 7 minutes or less, then something’s wrong.
yep, they better off searching 20 mins for a zerk warrior instead. Probably don’t get the math.
If they were searching for 20 mins then I’d agree but everybody either started out a warrior or rerolled a warrior. Zerk wars are so common now that zerk war only groups take 2 mins or less to fill up. Also no need to be an ahole just b/c you’re a necro. I’m not a warrior either, doesn’t give anyone the right to get snappy.
I wasn’t an ahole nor snappy. I have a war and a guard on max which I can role. Still I don’t get it. I mean it would be necessary if cof p1 would be actually harder to do, but it is easier than anything else in this game.
Read It Backwards [BooN]
with 6 minutes run you do XX gold in 1 hour.
With 12 mins runs you do half of that.
If the game is about farming (i would say grinding in this case) its quite obvious why people can afford lose 10 more minutes to find a party for a 1-2 hours speedrun of cof1.
It just double your income.
The issue doesn t come from elitist but from a broken and abandoned PvE meta.
GW2 balance:
A PvE player is supposed to avoid a 1-2 second 1 shotting aoe.
A WWW player is considered uncapable of avoiding a 5,75 second aoe for half his health.
A PvE player is supposed to avoid a 1-2 second 1 shotting aoe.
A WWW player is considered uncapable of avoiding a 5,75 second aoe for half his health.
And what’s the fun about it? Farming without a challenge . . .
Read It Backwards [BooN]
I don’t blame the players who do CoF p1 all day to get their legendary or to grind gold. I blame A-Net to create a dungeon, which actually requires 0 skill to do. 10 months and it’s still the same.
I remember back when UWSC or FOWSC were the places to grind. But this was actually fun and challenging besides the grind. Even with 7 assassins there was some challenge.
CoF p1 is about timewarp, pull, 100b, 100b, 100b and done.
Read It Backwards [BooN]
10 mins
That’s why people are being so freak-show about it. If they can’t get their run done in 7 minutes or less, then something’s wrong.
yep, they better off searching 20 mins for a zerk warrior instead. Probably don’t get the math.
If they were searching for 20 mins then I’d agree but everybody either started out a warrior or rerolled a warrior. Zerk wars are so common now that zerk war only groups take 2 mins or less to fill up. Also no need to be an ahole just b/c you’re a necro. I’m not a warrior either, doesn’t give anyone the right to get snappy.
I wasn’t an ahole nor snappy. I have a war and a guard on max which I can role. Still I don’t get it. I mean it would be necessary if cof p1 would be actually harder to do, but it is easier than anything else in this game.
Not an ahole or snappy, just very uninformed but doesn’t know it.
And what’s the fun about it? Farming without a challenge . . .
I hate cof. I truly, sincerely hate cof. This is by far the most boring and uninteresting dungeon of the game. I wish there were better ways to gain gold in this game. But the fact is, if I need some quick gold, I’ll do cof.
This. I’d honestly rather run HotW p2 and p3 than farm CoF p1…
I don’t care about gold in this game, I get enough to go by, I don’t want a legendary, so I’m not looking for more of it…
I liked CoF back when you could break the everliving crap out of it and do all 3 paths in 1 instance in 20-25mins… That’s when I liked doing CoF… Now? Nope. Not a chance. If I want zerker gear, I’ve got plenty of Arah and CoE tokens. There is nothing in CoF that I want/need. Screw that dungeon op the hiney with a pointy stick honestly…
Legion of Doom [LOD] – Death ’n Taxes [DnT]
“People wanting content where Berserker sucks should remember that it needs be so hard
that they will cry, not just a river, but a huge ocean.” – Wethospu
“People wanting content where Berserker sucks should remember that it needs be so hard
that they will cry, not just a river, but a huge ocean.” – Wethospu
Lol, or farm CoF/CoE/Arah for a zerk set? CoE armor doesn’t look too bad. No one is forcing you to run it in full t3…
Looks matter to some people. The world does not revolve around your taste. My sylvari looks dreadful in human armor — I hate it. Most armor materials were designed with human models and skin tones in mind. CoF armor looks ridiculously silly on sylvari, as does CoE.
10 mins
That’s why people are being so freak-show about it. If they can’t get their run done in 7 minutes or less, then something’s wrong.
yep, they better off searching 20 mins for a zerk warrior instead. Probably don’t get the math.
If they were searching for 20 mins then I’d agree but everybody either started out a warrior or rerolled a warrior. Zerk wars are so common now that zerk war only groups take 2 mins or less to fill up. Also no need to be an ahole just b/c you’re a necro. I’m not a warrior either, doesn’t give anyone the right to get snappy.
Can we really blame them? At the glacial pace of class balancing they do, you might as well spend 60g crafting a lv1 warrior to 80 and give him a set, rather than waiting 9+ months for the developers to start fixing garbage classes like the ranger or engineer or necromancer in PvE.
(edited by Zenith.7301)
Lol, or farm CoF/CoE/Arah for a zerk set? CoE armor doesn’t look too bad. No one is forcing you to run it in full t3…
Looks matter to some people. The world does not revolve around your taste. My sylvari looks dreadful in human armor — I hate it. Most armor materials were designed with human models and skin tones in mind. CoF armor looks ridiculously silly on sylvari, as does CoE.
My point was that you complained about not being able to run DPS gear, because you couldn’t afford a new armor set… I pointed out why your argument was silly.
Either don’t complain about the money, or don’t complain about not having the armor set… That’s like purposely wearing shoes that hurt your feet, but wearing them for looking good. Either you don’t complain about your feet hurting, or you wear shoes that don’t hurt…
Legion of Doom [LOD] – Death ’n Taxes [DnT]
“People wanting content where Berserker sucks should remember that it needs be so hard
that they will cry, not just a river, but a huge ocean.” – Wethospu
“People wanting content where Berserker sucks should remember that it needs be so hard
that they will cry, not just a river, but a huge ocean.” – Wethospu
Lol, or farm CoF/CoE/Arah for a zerk set? CoE armor doesn’t look too bad. No one is forcing you to run it in full t3…
Looks matter to some people. The world does not revolve around your taste. My sylvari looks dreadful in human armor — I hate it. Most armor materials were designed with human models and skin tones in mind. CoF armor looks ridiculously silly on sylvari, as does CoE.
My point was that you complained about not being able to run DPS gear, because you couldn’t afford a new armor set… I pointed out why your argument was silly.
Either don’t complain about the money, or don’t complain about not having the armor set… That’s like purposely wearing shoes that hurt your feet, but wearing them for looking good. Either you don’t complain about your feet hurting, or you wear shoes that don’t hurt…
I didn’t complain about not being able to run berserker. Read what people say. I complained about not being to run berserker in t3 cultural.
You can make the separation. I won’t. For me it’s important that my characters look aesthetically pleasing when I play them. And in the case of my sylvari toons, it’s t3 cultural armor.
Lol, or farm CoF/CoE/Arah for a zerk set? CoE armor doesn’t look too bad. No one is forcing you to run it in full t3…
Looks matter to some people. The world does not revolve around your taste. My sylvari looks dreadful in human armor — I hate it. Most armor materials were designed with human models and skin tones in mind. CoF armor looks ridiculously silly on sylvari, as does CoE.
My point was that you complained about not being able to run DPS gear, because you couldn’t afford a new armor set… I pointed out why your argument was silly.
Either don’t complain about the money, or don’t complain about not having the armor set… That’s like purposely wearing shoes that hurt your feet, but wearing them for looking good. Either you don’t complain about your feet hurting, or you wear shoes that don’t hurt…
I didn’t complain about not being able to run berserker. Read what people say. I complained about not being to run berserker in t3 cultural.
You can make the separation. I won’t. For me it’s important that my characters look aesthetically pleasing when I play them. And in the case of my sylvari toons, it’s t3 cultural armor.
Whoah whoah calm down, http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Transmutation_Crystal any stats on any class appropriate skin…
Just for all the people posting times, quickest one I’ve seen is my buddy doing a 5:42 run with 1 mes 2 thief 2 war.
Note that this is timed from gate opening. Strife’s previously linked video is from OPENING the dungeon, which means that your actual time was much, much slower than his group’s. Belay that.
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(edited by Rising Dusk.2408)
Just for all the people posting times, quickest one I’ve seen is my buddy doing a 5:42 run with 1 mes 2 thief 2 war.
Note that this is timed from gate opening. Strife’s previously linked video is from OPENING the dungeon, which means that your actual time was much, much slower than his group’s.
What? Both videos are from the opening of the first gate.
Fkay/Fka/Avki/Lihx/Serph/Fábio/Zolvag/Yemowo
[LOD]
[LOD]
You’re right. I watched it the the first time and apparently didn’t pay close enough attention.
[VZ] Valor Zeal – Stormbluff Isle – Looking for steady, casual-friendly NA raiders!
10 mins
That’s why people are being so freak-show about it. If they can’t get their run done in 7 minutes or less, then something’s wrong.
yep, they better off searching 20 mins for a zerk warrior instead. Probably don’t get the math.
If they were searching for 20 mins then I’d agree but everybody either started out a warrior or rerolled a warrior. Zerk wars are so common now that zerk war only groups take 2 mins or less to fill up. Also no need to be an ahole just b/c you’re a necro. I’m not a warrior either, doesn’t give anyone the right to get snappy.
I wasn’t an ahole nor snappy. I have a war and a guard on max which I can role. Still I don’t get it. I mean it would be necessary if cof p1 would be actually harder to do, but it is easier than anything else in this game.
My bad then. I misread how that was written.
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Lol, or farm CoF/CoE/Arah for a zerk set? CoE armor doesn’t look too bad. No one is forcing you to run it in full t3…
Looks matter to some people. The world does not revolve around your taste. My sylvari looks dreadful in human armor — I hate it. Most armor materials were designed with human models and skin tones in mind. CoF armor looks ridiculously silly on sylvari, as does CoE.
My point was that you complained about not being able to run DPS gear, because you couldn’t afford a new armor set… I pointed out why your argument was silly.
Either don’t complain about the money, or don’t complain about not having the armor set… That’s like purposely wearing shoes that hurt your feet, but wearing them for looking good. Either you don’t complain about your feet hurting, or you wear shoes that don’t hurt…
I didn’t complain about not being able to run berserker. Read what people say. I complained about not being to run berserker in t3 cultural.
You can make the separation. I won’t. For me it’s important that my characters look aesthetically pleasing when I play them. And in the case of my sylvari toons, it’s t3 cultural armor.
Whoah whoah calm down, http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Transmutation_Crystal any stats on any class appropriate skin…
The stone destroys the existing set, which I use for WvW. Too bad transmutation doesn’t function like in WoW where it doesn’t destroy the items involved; it just copies the skin over.
Lol, or farm CoF/CoE/Arah for a zerk set? CoE armor doesn’t look too bad. No one is forcing you to run it in full t3…
Looks matter to some people. The world does not revolve around your taste. My sylvari looks dreadful in human armor — I hate it. Most armor materials were designed with human models and skin tones in mind. CoF armor looks ridiculously silly on sylvari, as does CoE.
My point was that you complained about not being able to run DPS gear, because you couldn’t afford a new armor set… I pointed out why your argument was silly.
Either don’t complain about the money, or don’t complain about not having the armor set… That’s like purposely wearing shoes that hurt your feet, but wearing them for looking good. Either you don’t complain about your feet hurting, or you wear shoes that don’t hurt…
I didn’t complain about not being able to run berserker. Read what people say. I complained about not being to run berserker in t3 cultural.
You can make the separation. I won’t. For me it’s important that my characters look aesthetically pleasing when I play them. And in the case of my sylvari toons, it’s t3 cultural armor.
Whoah whoah calm down, http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Transmutation_Crystal any stats on any class appropriate skin…
The stone destroys the existing set, which I use for WvW. Too bad transmutation doesn’t function like in WoW where it doesn’t destroy the items involved; it just copies the skin over.
Ok now you’re not making sense, you want your t3 skin but you want different stats on it. Just do it and stop saying you can’t…
When people are posting like this, it gets a little too much to handle.
Bad players need a reason to feel good about themselves…I say let them be lol.
Lol, or farm CoF/CoE/Arah for a zerk set? CoE armor doesn’t look too bad. No one is forcing you to run it in full t3…
Looks matter to some people. The world does not revolve around your taste. My sylvari looks dreadful in human armor — I hate it. Most armor materials were designed with human models and skin tones in mind. CoF armor looks ridiculously silly on sylvari, as does CoE.
My point was that you complained about not being able to run DPS gear, because you couldn’t afford a new armor set… I pointed out why your argument was silly.
Either don’t complain about the money, or don’t complain about not having the armor set… That’s like purposely wearing shoes that hurt your feet, but wearing them for looking good. Either you don’t complain about your feet hurting, or you wear shoes that don’t hurt…
I didn’t complain about not being able to run berserker. Read what people say. I complained about not being to run berserker in t3 cultural.
You can make the separation. I won’t. For me it’s important that my characters look aesthetically pleasing when I play them. And in the case of my sylvari toons, it’s t3 cultural armor.
Whoah whoah calm down, http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Transmutation_Crystal any stats on any class appropriate skin…
The stone destroys the existing set, which I use for WvW. Too bad transmutation doesn’t function like in WoW where it doesn’t destroy the items involved; it just copies the skin over.
Ok now you’re not making sense, you want your t3 skin but you want different stats on it. Just do it and stop saying you can’t…
Read for once. It’s on my WvW set, which I use about as much if not more than I farm with zerker gear. I’m not about to destroy my WvW stat gear. You don’t run zerkers in wvw.
Lol, or farm CoF/CoE/Arah for a zerk set? CoE armor doesn’t look too bad. No one is forcing you to run it in full t3…
Looks matter to some people. The world does not revolve around your taste. My sylvari looks dreadful in human armor — I hate it. Most armor materials were designed with human models and skin tones in mind. CoF armor looks ridiculously silly on sylvari, as does CoE.
My point was that you complained about not being able to run DPS gear, because you couldn’t afford a new armor set… I pointed out why your argument was silly.
Either don’t complain about the money, or don’t complain about not having the armor set… That’s like purposely wearing shoes that hurt your feet, but wearing them for looking good. Either you don’t complain about your feet hurting, or you wear shoes that don’t hurt…
I didn’t complain about not being able to run berserker. Read what people say. I complained about not being to run berserker in t3 cultural.
You can make the separation. I won’t. For me it’s important that my characters look aesthetically pleasing when I play them. And in the case of my sylvari toons, it’s t3 cultural armor.
Whoah whoah calm down, http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Transmutation_Crystal any stats on any class appropriate skin…
The stone destroys the existing set, which I use for WvW. Too bad transmutation doesn’t function like in WoW where it doesn’t destroy the items involved; it just copies the skin over.
Ok now you’re not making sense, you want your t3 skin but you want different stats on it. Just do it and stop saying you can’t…
Read for once. It’s on my WvW set, which I use about as much if not more than I farm with zerker gear. I’m not about to destroy my WvW stat gear. You don’t run zerkers in wvw.
no you didn’t
“I didn’t complain about not being able to run berserker. Read what people say. I complained about not being to run berserker in t3 cultural.” (no such physical limitation exists)
Look, if you don’t want to run content because you can’t afford to dress your character up because you insist on wearing t3 cultural everywhere, go home, you clearly don’t want to actually participate in what they’re doing if you can’t manage to equip yourself.
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Lol, or farm CoF/CoE/Arah for a zerk set? CoE armor doesn’t look too bad. No one is forcing you to run it in full t3…
Looks matter to some people. The world does not revolve around your taste. My sylvari looks dreadful in human armor — I hate it. Most armor materials were designed with human models and skin tones in mind. CoF armor looks ridiculously silly on sylvari, as does CoE.
My point was that you complained about not being able to run DPS gear, because you couldn’t afford a new armor set… I pointed out why your argument was silly.
Either don’t complain about the money, or don’t complain about not having the armor set… That’s like purposely wearing shoes that hurt your feet, but wearing them for looking good. Either you don’t complain about your feet hurting, or you wear shoes that don’t hurt…
I didn’t complain about not being able to run berserker. Read what people say. I complained about not being to run berserker in t3 cultural.
You can make the separation. I won’t. For me it’s important that my characters look aesthetically pleasing when I play them. And in the case of my sylvari toons, it’s t3 cultural armor.
Whoah whoah calm down, http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Transmutation_Crystal any stats on any class appropriate skin…
The stone destroys the existing set, which I use for WvW. Too bad transmutation doesn’t function like in WoW where it doesn’t destroy the items involved; it just copies the skin over.
Ok now you’re not making sense, you want your t3 skin but you want different stats on it. Just do it and stop saying you can’t…
Read for once. It’s on my WvW set, which I use about as much if not more than I farm with zerker gear. I’m not about to destroy my WvW stat gear. You don’t run zerkers in wvw.
no you didn’t
“I didn’t complain about not being able to run berserker. Read what people say. I complained about not being to run berserker in t3 cultural.” (no such physical limitation exists)Look, if you don’t want to run content because you can’t afford to dress your character up because you insist on wearing t3 cultural everywhere, go home, you clearly don’t want to actually participate in what they’re doing if you can’t manage to equip yourself.
Are you braindead? I’m already way past lv48, and it wasn’t thanks to your advice.
I don’t do fractal speed runs. I don’t even group with optimal setups. Last time we ran a 1 mesmer 4 ele 48 group.
Most groups I run are pugs. So excuse me if I don’t want to destroy my all purpose set on a guardian to have a pure DPS set that I’d barely get to use to good effect. Because here’s the kicker — berserker doesn’t work too well when only half the people or only me is sporting it, and especially when I’m the only one or maybe with another person spending my time in melee. It’s doomed to fail.
Ehm. No. Berserker gear is the best choice in pve, (almost) always.
If you can’t handle it when you’re the only one wearing it, learn to play. Berserker gear isn’t about whole group using it so stuff goes down before it can attack – that won’t work in many situations.
That transmutation discussion is also a bit stupid, just buy another t3 armor set and transmute the skin to your berserker set – gg, got two cultural t3’s now.
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Zerkers is always useful zen. Even if it’s only you using the set, you using it means the boss is now dying 20% faster. Imagine if all your teamates used zerkers! The way I think about it is if the boss is able to die before you run out of abilities, utilities, heals, and endurance, then you won’t need tanky gear. When you have tanky gear, you’re nerfing yourself b/c at some point during the fight you might have taken too long and will run out of any of your key skills. By going tankier, you’re ensuring that you’re going to get hit more. That’s why no one (that’s a power user) shouldn’t go zerker.
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That.Zerkers is always useful zen. Even if it’s only you using the set, you using it means the boss is now dying 20% faster. Imagine if all your teamates used zerkers! The way I think about it is if the boss is able to die before you run out of abilities, utilities, heals, and endurance, then you won’t need tanky gear. When you have tanky gear, you’re nerfing yourself b/c at some point during the fight you might have taken too long and will run out of any of your key skills. By going tankier, you’re ensuring that you’re going to get hit more. That’s why no one (that’s a power user) shouldn’t go zerker.
That’s easy to say. Try glass cannon dredge fractal beyond 48 while everyone is ranged or more tanky and see how “easy” it is.
Try glass cannon in ascalon fractal as one of the few melee guys and get 2-shot by the warriors/mages.
Try eating an archdiviner melee as glass cannon without other guardians rotating aegis.
In explorables glass cannon works just fine. In high level fractals, only when supported by stacking guardians and warriors.
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That’s easy to say. Try glass cannon dredge fractal beyond 48 while everyone is ranged or more tanky and see how “easy” it is.
Try glass cannon in ascalon fractal as one of the few melee guys and get 2-shot by the warriors/mages.
Try eating an archdiviner melee as glass cannon without other guardians rotating aegis.
In explorables glass cannon works just fine. In high level fractals, only when supported by stacking guardians and warriors.
Back when I used to do fractals every day, I did 48 exclusively. I am a glass thief, not even a guard. I melee all those things except ascalon trash (I don’t know why anyone would melee when you do 4-5k cluster bombs and the vets do all the hard work). The trick is NOT eating those big shots to the face. The dodge key is amazing for avoiding such attacks. I don’t get how you could argue that Zerkers doesn’t work in fractals unless you have someone else tanky there. I’ve done every comp possible for 48 and never once had a problem with being zerker. It makes every run easier as long as you know how and when to use the dodge key. I’ve gone with double engi, tripple necro, double ranger, etc. groups. I’ve been in multiple groups where I was the only non-light armored so I had all the agro yet zerkers was still not doing anything to hold me back.
The mages in Ascalon will be killer for anyone. I’ve seen pure pvt guards go down just as fast as my zerker thief. If they were zerker too we might have been able to kill them before they got us. The best part about being guard or thief in that zone is all the evades you can use to avoid the initial burst or the free aiges that will block the entire first blob of attacks (if they hit at the same time, they’re all blocked).
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That’s easy to say. Try glass cannon dredge fractal beyond 48 while everyone is ranged or more tanky and see how “easy” it is.
Try glass cannon in ascalon fractal as one of the few melee guys and get 2-shot by the warriors/mages.
Try eating an archdiviner melee as glass cannon without other guardians rotating aegis.
In explorables glass cannon works just fine. In high level fractals, only when supported by stacking guardians and warriors.
Back when I used to do fractals every day, I did 48 exclusively. I am a glass thief, not even a guard. I melee all those things except ascalon trash (I don’t know why anyone would melee when you do 4-5k cluster bombs and the vets do all the hard work). The trick is NOT eating those big shots to the face. The dodge key is amazing for avoiding such attacks. I don’t get how you could argue that Zerkers doesn’t work in fractals unless you have someone else tanky there. I’ve done every comp possible for 48 and never once had a problem with being zerker. It makes every run easier as long as you know how and when to use the dodge key. I’ve gone with double engi, tripple necro, double ranger, etc. groups. I’ve been in multiple groups where I was the only non-light armored so I had all the agro yet zerkers was still not doing anything to hold me back.
The mages in Ascalon will be killer for anyone. I’ve seen pure pvt guards go down just as fast as my zerker thief. If they were zerker too we might have been able to kill them before they got us. The best part about being guard or thief in that zone is all the evades you can use to avoid the initial burst or the free aiges that will block the entire first blob of attacks (if they hit at the same time, they’re all blocked).
Of course I can do it on my thief. As soon as I get pressured, I shadowstep the hell out and shortbow is a great aoe weapon.
My guardian has no shadow step — he’s got 2 dodges and aegis before vigor brings it back up, against waves of 7+ dredge. He’s got no feline grace or swiftness on dodge.
In fact, it’s much easier to do it on my zerker mesmer if I am the only zerker because I’ve got a 2 sec distortion on an 8 sec cd, with an offhand block, and disposable ai to soak some of the damage. And I’ve got a decent aoe ranged weapon in the greatsword. My zerker guardian gets pressured and needs to use scepter, and he does pretty crap damage in the end while he has ranged downtime before I heal up and get back in melee.
Quite frankly, I’ll bring a zerker thief or mesmer, and especially a warrior, over ever bringing a zerker ele or guardian in a PuG. I’ve never failed a 48 where it was my lack of damage. I kill even grawl lava elementals fast enough, and berserker armor is underbudget for the extra crit% damage. The berserker jewels and weapons and ruby orbs on armor is where I get my critdmg from.
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Of course I can do it on my thief. As soon as I get pressured, I shadowstep the hell out and shortbow is a great aoe weapon.
My guardian has no shadow step — he’s got 2 dodges and aegis before vigor brings it back up, against waves of 7+ dredge. He’s got no feline grace or swiftness on dodge.
In fact, it’s much easier to do it on my zerker mesmer if I am the only zerker because I’ve got a 2 sec distortion on an 8 sec cd, with an offhand block, and disposable ai to soak some of the damage. And I’ve got a decent aoe ranged weapon in the greatsword. My zerker guardian gets pressured and needs to use scepter, and he does pretty crap damage in the end while he has ranged downtime before I heal up and get back in melee.
Quite frankly, I’ll bring a zerker thief or mesmer, and especially a warrior, over ever bringing a zerker ele or guardian in a PuG. I’ve never failed a 48 where it was my lack of damage. I kill even grawl lava elementals fast enough, and berserker armor is underbudget for the extra crit% damage. The berserker jewels and weapons and ruby orbs on armor is where I get my critdmg from.
Use shelter and renewed focus. You should never have any problem with anything ever again. You won’t need any dodges or shadowsteps when you walk through their front line and out he back without taking any damage. Then you also have the best healing in the game to repair any damage you might have sustained. Guardian is the only class I’ve ever seen walk out of multiple mages bursting them and take 0 damage. All other classes would either be dead or have to have blown a dodge or 2 prematurely.
I don’t even use feline grace but I agree, thieves and mesmers are god in fractals (shame all the thiefisms keep getting nerfed though). Guards are up in top tier too though.
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Use shelter and renewed focus. You should never have any problem with anything ever again. You won’t need any dodges or shadowsteps when you walk through their front line and out he back without taking any damage. Then you also have the best healing in the game to repair any damage you might have sustained. Guardian is the only class I’ve ever seen walk out of multiple mages bursting them and take 0 damage. All other classes would either be dead or have to have blown a dodge or 2 prematurely.
I don’t even use feline grace but I agree, thieves and mesmers are god in fractals (shame all the thiefisms keep getting nerfed though). Guards are up in top tier too though.
Self-proclaimed best tank eu once said that elementalist is the best class to absorb damage. I agree with him.
I can tank 10+ level 80 enemies at the same time on my level 1 ranger.
You can’t because it’s t2 utility.
Self-proclaimed best tank eu once said that elementalist is the best class to absorb damage. I agree with him.
Yeah I can definitely absorb more damage on my Ele than my Guard. When I need it Protection, Regen, 7s of Invulnerability, 3 blocks and Earth Shield + healing. The Guard can’t chain nearly that much together, though it does have higher base Toughness and Armor. The real advantage the Guard is he can give Aegis to the rest of the group and can have Reflects up more often.
Self-proclaimed best tank eu once said that elementalist is the best class to absorb damage. I agree with him.
Yeah I can definitely absorb more damage on my Ele than my Guard. When I need it Protection, Regen, 7s of Invulnerability, 3 blocks and Earth Shield + healing. The Guard can’t chain nearly that much together, though it does have higher base Toughness and Armor. The real advantage the Guard is he can give Aegis to the rest of the group and can have Reflects up more often.
The ele does total kitten damage if he goes for tank.
The focus guts all your burst, you lose the aoe cc, and you lose ring of fire/firegrab/earthquake for might stacking and big aoe.
I can gear my ele pvt with berk jewels and weapons, and he won’t do the damage of my guardian on the same set, ever.
Also, unlike the guardian, ele sustained is absolutely dreadful. The way they designed the ele hurts him in pve because he’s balanced for pvp by having multiple damage skills on long cooldowns, but in pve autoattack is most classes’ bulk of sustained damage outside skills like 100b/Whirling Wrath. And ele autoattacks not only have no meaningful cleaving outside lightning whip, but even single target ele autoattacks are pitiful damage.
In pvp, where access to burning from dragon’s breath is a boon, is actually a weakness in pve because attacks with split attribute benefits usually have terrible stat scaling. This is partly why the ranger’s kit sucks as well — abilities that combine direct damage and condition application are usually terrible because the direct damage portion scales terrible and has low base, and because conditions are terrible in pve you don’t gear to support them (and the conditions baseline are so weak).
I love playing my ele because he’s fun, but outside explorables with lightning hammer spec, running high level fractals lightning hammer is just being a warrior without the utility and much more risk. In every aspect he’s overshadowed by the guardian for pve purposes.
The problem in this game has always been that the toolkit of the guardian and warrior are so much superior to the toolkits offered by other classes. At least the thief can bring the best single target spike capacity, and shadow refuge/daggerstorm/projectile destruction, but the rest of the classes just don’t bring anything unique to compete that a warrior/guardian don’t do better.
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