Guild Wars 2

Curious on what you all think is a more valuable dpser in a speed run party. Lately I’ve been seeing many lfg adds only asking for strictly warrior dps builds, even if its a party of 3 warriors 1 Mesmer, or 1 person starting a party who isn’t a warrior(Always a good laugh that one). I got pure dps thief and get rejected a few times because I am not a warrior. Or seen people join my party to get vote kicked over n over until a warrior shows up.
(Same for Mesmer but that much is understandable if your party doesn’t already have one lol)

Personally I would take thief over a warrior simply because I find thief brings more to the table then a warrior in versatility/dps. But keep in mind I also have a biased opinion and don’t know warriors in and out like thief because I never liked playing warrior so I have not leveled one and played it XXX hours like my thief. I’ve only seen warriors doing great dps (Which I don’t find anymore damaging then my thieves dmg) or run a banner/shout build for nice buffs. Only say cof because it’s the dungeon I do most often, can’t speak for other dungeon speed runners but perhaps it’s the same?

So that’s why I’m asking…

Are warriors just that good at dpsing and I don’t see it?
What do warriors bring to the table, what makes them shine so bright?
What do you think the best dpser for speed runs are?

CoF speedrun?

A warrior or guardian is a better choice than thief. DPS and Party wide might buffs are more useful than anything else in a DPS race like CoF speedrun.

The key of beating the CoF path 2 bomb room is DPS…. that is if you don’t use the kiting method. I have been in parties where we simply do do what the developers had intended – simply DPS the mobs down as they spawn. To achieve this, you need a party of 5 that have really high DPS and somewhat decent survivability. I wouldn’t mind having a thief since they have the highest single target DPS in the game. But people just think that Warriors are a good middle ground for both DPS and tankyness.

thief+ele can do 25 might for everyone in a matter of seconds and maintain them, so i don’t see the problem with taking a thief to cof speedruns if anyone with fire combo fields is in the grp

5 guardians will get you 25 stacks of might too and you don’t have to force the thief to use a low-DPS weapon in conjunction with another low-DPS class to get it. You don’t even need a mesmer since a group of guardians chaining tomes rips through bosses absurdly fast. It’s 6s quickness, overlapping 5 stacks of might, and 20s of fury on one elite; Timewarp has nothing on that.

On top of that, guardians generally have the highest effective DPS of all classes in most dungeons due to their high base damage and relatively few ways for damage to fail (enemies moving out of symbol or Smite being the only real ways to lose DPS). Warriors have a marginally higher theoretical DPS but it’s very hard to achieve in practice; you need to be landing HB completely every time on cooldown (can’t miss or be interrupted by anything) and you need to space Whirlwind Attack perfectly so it lands all hits without moving you out of range for an immediate followup attack, which is generally impossible unless you’re crippled or the target is up against a wall. Otherwise the greatsword’s base DPS on the non-HB skills are actually lower than the guardian’s. A guardian actually kills the gate controller faster than a warrior since the warrior’s big damage skills don’t work too well on it.

That said, people don’t know math, they just see big numbers and assume that means big DPS.

Guanglai Kangyi.4318:

That said, people don’t know math, they just see big numbers and assume that means big DPS.

Well, i never see my guardian doing 3-4k dmg with auto-attack, neither 20k with whirling. Guardians are so versatile and the best support in gw2 but in terms of pure dps warriors are the best, not just because that big numbers, they can maintain 25 might in a boss fight easily and 6charges+fury for all the party, thats tons of dmg. They have nice hp pool and not bad armor, they are killing machines.

5 guardians sounds OP but 1 guardian 3 warriors and 1 mesmer is a better party, you need some variety

Guanglai Kangyi.4318:

A guardian actually kills the gate controller faster than a warrior since the warrior’s big damage skills don’t work too well on it.

HB, 3 autoattacks, whirling = bb mister gate controler.
What warrior’s skills don’t work well on objects? With 3k+ attack you just destroy everything.

Njordfinn.4921:

thief+ele can do 25 might for everyone in a matter of seconds and maintain them, so i don’t see the problem with taking a thief to cof speedruns if anyone with fire combo fields is in the grp

And a warrior can have 15-25 stacks of might on his own.

Four warriors can easily maintain 25 stacks.

Honestly combos are kind of pointless in CoF speed runs. Sure you can sit around trying to stack might or whatever, but when you kill a boss in 15 seconds the time spent trying to do that is pointless and probably makes it take even longer.

Thieves are good, warriors are good. I just did about 4 runs in like 30 minutes with 2 thieves, 2 warriors, 1 mesmer. That’s including time spent resetting the dungeon, vendoring, etc

Nagorn.2307:

Guanglai Kangyi.4318:

That said, people don’t know math, they just see big numbers and assume that means big DPS.

Well, i never see my guardian doing 3-4k dmg with auto-attack, neither 20k with whirling. Guardians are so versatile and the best support in gw2 but in terms of pure dps warriors are the best, not just because that big numbers, they can maintain 25 might in a boss fight easily and 6charges+fury for all the party, thats tons of dmg. They have nice hp pool and not bad armor, they are killing machines.

5 guardians sounds OP but 1 guardian 3 warriors and 1 mesmer is a better party, you need some variety

Guanglai Kangyi.4318:

A guardian actually kills the gate controller faster than a warrior since the warrior’s big damage skills don’t work too well on it.

HB, 3 autoattacks, whirling = bb mister gate controler.
What warrior’s skills don’t work well on objects? With 3k+ attack you just destroy everything.

Try move into the enemy’s hitbox (stay inside the red ring under their feet) while using Whirling Wrath. The projectiles you shoot will all hit the enemy resulting in pretty high damage

You should be swapping to your Axe against objects you can’t crit; either use it the whole time or swap to it immediately after Hundred Blades.

Warriors have the highest sustained DPS in the game, on top of a pretty naturally robust frame. There’s basically no reason to take a Thief over one when doing trivially easy content as fast as possible – Warriors are the absolute masters of steamrolling easy content.

Every class is usable as long as they have 8c consumable that allows you to one shot bosses. Ofc this is based on chance but still if every party member uses it on the boss you have a great chance to one shot it.

Warriors have the highest sustained damage in melee but they offer very little outside of more damage.

sadly because the dungeons are so easy and simple, you dont need anything but more damage to make everything go quicker.

Warrior has way better group buffs for dps.

Thief can’t match the 100% fury uptime for the entire group + 3 stacks of 100% uptime might per warrior and things like banner of discipline.

I’m not against bringing a thief, but you want 2-3 warriors to at least get the banners and 100% fury uptime. Fury is the best dps boon in the game, and warrior provides it passively with an instant shout for the whole party. There is no amount of dps that a thief can put out over a war that makes up for fury + 3 might stacks that happens at the push of a button with no cast time for your entire group.

That being said, I’ve still found 3 war + 2 mesmer the fastest comp for speed running, but it’s definitely not necessary. But that’s what I’ve been using to try and hit my 7 min run (from the first door, not the 2nd one that blows up).

Hit 7:10 last night with some messups, hopefully it happens tonight so I can upload it :x

ITT: Warrior is broken.

Nothing to see here folks move along.

I like all profs, i play with all, my favourite always is Warrior, i can say this:
4 Warrios 4 HB = 23K damage(at least) x 4 = so i say 100K damage in 3-5 secs? now regen the skill 8 secs, again 4HB 100k damage, dont forget to use Wirl atk and change to A/M, use atks 1 2 and 4 ok u jusd add + vuln in the boss, and more damage, 5 mins the dungeon is done,

to make a new way to farm this and and talking only about this dungeon, do a video put on youtube and show us a party that make it faster.