Guild Wars 2

TL:DR: Joined for recommended daily fractal, turns out someone activated the challenge mote before falsely advertising a daily recommended run in LFG. Group was unable to turn off challenge mote and had to redo the entire fractal. Suggestion: Move the Challenge Mote right before the boss of that fractal and make it so you can also deactivate it.

So today I had the most wonderful experience in fractals… I joined a group for the daily recommended fractal (Aetherblade fractal level 65) and played through the entire thing. Then at the final boss the entire party realised that the challenge mote was turned on…

So what happened is that the person who opened the fractal had activated the challenge mote and THEN opened up LFG and advertised his party as [65 recommened]. Since you the challenge mote doesn’t come into play till you reach the Fritz in this example, we played through the entire thing and only found out at the end…

The entire party got mad at the person who opened and we kicked him instantly because this is false advertising and just a kitten move in general to force people to play the challenge mote when they’re here for a casual run.

So my question is, dear dear Anet can we have the challenge mote right before the boss battle as it only comes into play there and can we also be able to deactivate the mote. This has worked fine with bosses like KC in the third raid wing (only that you have to talk to the mote every time you want to do another attempt).

I had to look up the particular challenge mote for this fractal, since I never crafted the backpiece. I agree with this, the mote alters nothing else in the fractal other than the final encounter. Makes a lot of sense and the mote can’t be abused since it requires a party vote (which if you are that far along in the fractal solo, kudos to you).

O.o oh wow you all kick him?

You know, you can return to character screen and reenter. Its how we cheesed the tier 3 challenges because this way only one guy gets the debuff

Sarahfull.4930:

O.o oh wow you all kick him?

Think about it, the mote requires a party vote.

As the OP stated, the guy starts the fractal solo, triggers the mote and gets through the vote. Then invites the rest of the group…

The only possible way a group is supposed to know something is up is to notice the Mote being missing from the start, which I expect the majority of players aren’t looking for.

It’s definitely deceitful, and groups are made of 5 individual players who can make their own decisions, the majority of the group found fault with what the Fractal opener did.

Sykper.6583:

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I did think about it though:

A person makes a Lfg for aetherblade recomended.
4 people join and together they make it to the last boss.
The 4 people who joinned, kick the first person because of the first person’s decision. (instead of leaving and forming your own group).
Then you leave the instance anyway after the kick?

They never knew he made the decision, there’s no indicator for it for the entire fractal.

Only when the boss is fought does the debuff show as far as I know (80% reduced healing for the whole fight).

The group opener is shady as heck in this. ‘Kicking’ the person is no different than all members leaving the group, in fact one could even say it is more practical not to waste everyone’s time. Though from the sounds of it the group likely either finished the fractal at that level or redid the whole thing.

Sykper.6583:

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I don’t know what to call it although you do get a buff/debuff saying the mode will activate on the boss.

Sure you can say they didn’t say they activated the node although they did say aetherblade and the fractal which was done was aetherblade so I don’t see what’s wrong in that regard.

What I do read is, 4 people joining a lfg then kicking the um.. Owner (for lack of a better word) at the finall boss.

Sykper.6583:

They never knew he made the decision, there’s no indicator for it for the entire fractal.

Only when the boss is fought does the debuff show as far as I know (80% reduced healing for the whole fight).

The group opener is shady as heck in this. ‘Kicking’ the person is no different than all members leaving the group, in fact one could even say it is more practical not to waste everyone’s time. Though from the sounds of it the group likely either finished the fractal at that level or redid the whole thing.

it do make a dif mate, if they had simply left the guy could have done a new lfg challenge mote last boss 65 but since they kicked he lost his progress to.

Linken.6345:

Sykper.6583:

They never knew he made the decision, there’s no indicator for it for the entire fractal.

Only when the boss is fought does the debuff show as far as I know (80% reduced healing for the whole fight).

The group opener is shady as heck in this. ‘Kicking’ the person is no different than all members leaving the group, in fact one could even say it is more practical not to waste everyone’s time. Though from the sounds of it the group likely either finished the fractal at that level or redid the whole thing.

it do make a dif mate, if they had simply left the guy could have done a new lfg challenge mote last boss 65 but since they kicked he lost his progress to.

I don’t disagree that the party was being spiteful in this, but the opener was exploiting the group in this regard.

It’s kind of a morals thing, if they had just pressed forward, the opener completely wins and gets what he wants at the expense of others. If they left, the opener still technically wins since he wasted their time by carrying him to the start of the boss fight, through the “fun” parts of the instance and the opener as you said gets to find like-minded folks. So, ultimately the only way the group likely saw an apt punishment for the opener was to deny him the fractal overall.

The best solution that removes this kind of toxicity, is for Arenanet to move the mote to just before the encounter.

I admit I did this often for the Ad Infinitum collections. Activate the challenges and then post the lfgs because it makes the group fill much faster.

Malediktus.9250:

I admit I did this often for the Ad Infinitum collections. Activate the challenges and then post the lfgs because it makes the group fill much faster.

But you mentioned that it’s the challenge mode in LFG, right?

Is this that big of an issue? I can understand if this happens more frequently but I don’t think it does. Unless the guy started the fractal before the rest of you joined, there is an option to vote.

Solstace.2514:

Is this that big of an issue? I can understand if this happens more frequently but I don’t think it does. Unless the guy started the fractal before the rest of you joined, there is an option to vote.

And if you read the OP thats exactly what the person did so no vote for the others to see.

Astralporing.1957:

Malediktus.9250:

I admit I did this often for the Ad Infinitum collections. Activate the challenges and then post the lfgs because it makes the group fill much faster.

But you mentioned that it’s the challenge mode in LFG, right?

From how Malediktus typed it dont look like they did.
Not understanding that they made people just as mad as meta berserker players got when people snuck into their dungeon runs before.

Linken.6345:

Solstace.2514:

Is this that big of an issue? I can understand if this happens more frequently but I don’t think it does. Unless the guy started the fractal before the rest of you joined, there is an option to vote.

And if you read the OP thats exactly what the person did so no vote for the others to see.

I’m saying that there already exists a mechanism to prevent this from happening. If you join a fractal in progress then you’ve bypassed that mechanism and you’re at fault as well. Buyer beware so to speak. Best way to prevent this is just not to join matches already started. Not hard.