Guild Wars 2

This is something that’s baffled me for a while. I’ve been playing GW2 since launch, and played in PUGs with all 8 of the classes. And not once in those years have I ever been kicked for playing a Necromancer or Ranger or whatever. I’ve never been kicked for wearing the wrong type of gear (mainly because people cannot check my gear anyway, and it’s easy to lie if I wanted to).

One rule I do have is to follow the requirements of the LFG. If the group only asks for a certain comp or gear or builds and I don’t want to follow the requirements of that LFG, I simply don’t join that group. And there is always another group ready to play that doesn’t have those requirements.

I play on NA, and these days, I’m fortunate enough that I have friends to do dungeons with. But on those random times I want to run something in a PUG and just feel like playing Necro, I’ve yet to ever get kicked for playing it. Or any other unpopular class.

I guess I just want to know other people’s experiences, mainly because it differs so radically from my own. I see these posts from players crying about how they can’t play what they want. However, I’ve seen plenty of players playing in what’s clearly a non-DPS setup (a Staff Camping Guard, a Bearbow Ranger, etc.), and not get kicked. Admittedly, my experience from launch to now is only one perspective and hardly indicative of the entire gaming population’s experience, which is why I turn to the forums and ask you all, have you or someone you known, experienced getting kicked from dungeons due to your build?

A majority of players get kicked at or near the beginning of a dungeon run because they didn’t meet the requirements of the group.

Sometimes it’s the player who got kicked’s fault primarily. Sometimes it’s the player who did the kicking’s fault primarily. I’d imagine the former is the majority case.

Neko.9021:

One rule I do have is to follow the requirements of the LFG. If the group only asks for a certain comp or gear or builds and I don’t want to follow the requirements of that LFG, I simply don’t join that group. And there is always another group ready to play that doesn’t have those requirements.

This answers your own question. Most people who come on the forums to complain about being kicked just didn’t read the LFG or fulfill it’s requirements thus end up kicked. I am a dirty evil elitist that advertises LFG in the usual “path x/fractal level, meta dps gear/builds, link gear on join” and can’t even count the amount of ppl whispering me for getting kicked because they do not meet my requirements.

I recently kicked someone for his build. Let me tell you the story.

I started an Aetherpath group with a buddy. I main an engineer. I was playing engineer. I wrote “Aether: Zerk Exp Only or Kick” as the LFG description. The group gets to 4 people. We get to Sparki and Slick. We wipe.

I sigh, and the next attempt I pay attention to what people are doing so I can see what’s going wrong. I notice that the other engineer in my group has been camping flamethrower the whole fight. He hasn’t switched kits once. He has only been using the auto-attack. He hasn’t used skills 2 (the high damage one) or 4 (the fire field) the whole fight.

We wipe.

I kindly ask him, “Hey, as a fellow engineer flamethrower is a bad dps kit and is really only used for utility. Can you bring grenades, elixir gun, and a rifle please?”

We try the fight a third time. He flamethrower auto-attacks the whole fight. We wipe. I initiate a vote kick. The group seconds. Two others join to fill the party and we clear it easily.

A few seconds later he starts rage whispering me. I block him.

Could he have had zerk gear and been experienced and technically met the LFG requirements? Sure. But he was complete trash and wouldn’t listen and so I kicked him for his build.

Edit: Yeah, I know, 3 zerk players should have been able to beat Sparki and Slick so there were other coordination issues at play, but that was the big and obvious one.

In my experience pugging. People dont really get kicked for their builds or for being necro/ranger/w.e. They get kicked for being bad.

Not inexperienced but BAD as in you are told what to do and that advice is ignored.
Bad as in you aggro mobs before group is ready repeatedly
They get kicked when they run what they “want to” run instead of things that benefit the group. Ive seen many a mesmer/guard get kicked for not slotting reflects and watching teammates die. I suppose thats builds.

As for the special “healers” Ive yet to see one that can actually heal. They usually blast water fields when no one needs the heals and rage at the ele’s because they instadown from pretty much anything and they cant heal through it.

Actually no Ive een good healers.

in wildstar. :/

Getting kicked for a build doesn’t happen often unless you make it plainly obvious such as a staff/scepter mesmer (especially on a power build) or a ranger camping longbow.

Groups that ask ping gear on join are also a minority, and those are pointless requests since you can ping gear you don’t even have equipped while you are in full clerics to troll them.

People getting kicked for their class is an absolute yes. Try fractal 50 or Arah joins as a ranger/necro. You will NEVER get kicked as any other class upon joining before anything has even happened.

On my ranger/necro, in one day of joining fractal 50 it took me 4 joins, the 3 others I was immediately kicked from when I joined on my necro/ranger before I even got a chance to load into the map. I proceeded to switch to my ele/guard/warrior and join the same group I had been kicked from, NEVER got kicked.

It’s real. Only non-ranger/necro mains ever make the claim that getting kicked from pug groups on LFG as a ranger/necro doesn’t happen. And it happens for a reason, because necro and ranger ARE kitten classes, they’re just less effective with less practical damage and group utility than the alternatives, and in the case of the ranger the practical damage due to the 1h sword autoattack is far lower than the theoretical tank and spank fight because trying to 1h sword arch diviner or mossman on a ranger is risky business.

And yes, it really sucks for players who love the idea of their necromancers and rangers but who must suffer due to bad implementation of the classes.

Zenith.7301:

Getting kicked for a build doesn’t happen often unless you make it plainly obvious such as a staff/scepter mesmer (especially on a power build) (…)

Scepter on a mes is indeed a bad idea on a power build, but mind that staff gains a dps benefit in short fights under 10-12 seconds compared to s/s … Because staff phantasm has lower attack speed (6s untraited) than the sword one (4s untraited) but it’s damage should be higher caused by the 10% buff per condition on enemy. ( vul, bleed, chill(thru bow) burn, and the random condi like poison thru chaos field or thief) so 50% …

You should start with the staff phantasm then the chaos field ( while you cast the phantasm the eles have time to freeze ) then swap to s/p or s/f …

But of course in a pug it is really unusual to use staff on a mes …

I never get kicked, but I only have zerker gear, and usually run meta.

But then again, I observe just horrible gameplay as well, like the auto attackers doing next to zero damage. And then they wonder why they get kicked? I am usually very nice and don’t say a word but I bear a grudge against them.

People wear berserker gear but they don’t know why and same goes for their builds and weapon choices usually. I’ve had guardians in my group that didn’t know that wall of reflection was useful in dungeons or that you actually needed stability in some areas. I’ve also had mesmers that insisted they were faster than Guardians but refused to use portals, ever.

There is probably a breaking point somewhere but I can roughly say a good rotation on a kitten build is better than a kitten rotation on a decent build, even for Warriors against popular belief.

Neko.9021:

One rule I do have is to follow the requirements of the LFG.

I get kicked a lot not for my build but AP and that’s from “Px” type of lfg. No requirements but kick is usually faster than the loading screen.

To compare, my main account has tons of AP earned from exclusively wvw’ing for almost 2yrs, the only times (only twice lol) I got kicked was when I started with dungeons and I screwed up badly. Having 8k+ AP back then carried me heavily.

While getting kicked on joining a group twice a day on my low AP acc is normal. It’s not always class/bad builds that people kick for, parties just want to be sure the run will go fine and if perhaps you have high AP, they don’t mind your class as much.

Fines Juliverine.5846:

Zenith.7301:

Getting kicked for a build doesn’t happen often unless you make it plainly obvious such as a staff/scepter mesmer (especially on a power build) (…)

Scepter on a mes is indeed a bad idea on a power build, but mind that staff gains a dps benefit in short fights under 10-12 seconds compared to s/s … Because staff phantasm has lower attack speed (6s untraited) than the sword one (4s untraited) but it’s damage should be higher caused by the 10% buff per condition on enemy. ( vul, bleed, chill(thru bow) burn, and the random condi like poison thru chaos field or thief) so 50% …

You should start with the staff phantasm then the chaos field ( while you cast the phantasm the eles have time to freeze ) then swap to s/p or s/f …

But of course in a pug it is really unusual to use staff on a mes …

Yeah, staff is fine in an organized group where people are actually stacking conditions to make it shine, which is often not the case in the pug.

And at any time you stay on the staff camping autoattacks, that’s a sign of a terrible player if we’re not talking a condition build (and even then staff is still suboptimal outside bosses since its value is greatly diminished against trash pulls, which is a large part of fractals to begin with).

Hmm.. I sometimes kick people out of dungeon. Most of it is at the beginning like many people here posts, when they join and not meet requirements like they would assume you carry. And then there are the bads that does nothing but spam 1 and “contribute”.

When you have played most, if not many classes by now… learned their builds and playstyle, learn what abilities they have, and understand their meta builds require what skills and what skills work in what way for that meta… you can tell so much so fast when the first boss fights come.
Say all aren’t zerkers, one is a warrior, one is a guardian, one is a engie, one is a necro, and one is a mesmer. Warrior is a zerker and mesmer is a zerker and guardian is a zerker. Necro and engie is a random wtf builds they came up with. Everyone has experience with dungeon. Everything should go smoothly. If players are stacking and getting hit with condi and range. Necro should have wells to remove them, mesmer or guardian should have reflect for incoming range. Boss should melt at a decent rate. Adds should melt at a decent rate. Nobody should be down or dead. Guardian/engie dropping utility when needed… warrior dropping banner for anyone That’s a good party all around.

Now if any of them were inexperience with their class… engie would spam flamethrower because that player thinks hitting fast amount = high dmg. Utility is not used, forget function key skills… Same with guardian who uses just staff, thinks spam 1 is nice and occasionally empower. No greatsword for retaliation or some dmg. No utility from function key skills. … Can say more about mesmer/warrior/necro but losing and derailing topic…

I haven’t been playing guild wars 2 but just recently came back when the specialization patch came out. I can tell you, I was an elitists too but not the ones like the well-known guys who has a rep for speed-clears. Just going to kick people for lack of AP/zerker gears. Then once dungeon gets started and I noticed dps is severely slow for a “zerker” team, I look at the way people play and confronted them or just kick them. (Usually have friends in party for party control)

But now, I’m fairly meh… I don’t care for the low amount of AP because a lot of players lately have been playing very well with low AP. Gear wise, I don’t give two kittens about it now as long as everyone just do what they do. But I still kick or attempt to kick if the player lacks dungeon knowledge and try to “sneak in” as someone who does. I REALLY REALLY hate players who do not tell the party that they are new. I WILL GLADLY TELL THEM HOW TO PLAY. But if you’re new but lack basics… nope.

TL:DR I kick people who doesn’t know their basic mechanics of their class. kitten those players and they deserve a kick. Spam 1 for your friends but not for people who wants to get by the dungeon as timely as possible. (No not the speed-clear way)

sadly i get kicked allot to as a ranger
first they saw me wear LB and a bear
i mostly use shortbow now and more dps pets but ok

i only use LB and bear to get out of sticky situations
my bear can pull ago and tank a bitt i mostly cloak away and get my self to a save spot

i can get downed players up faster duo to my trait
thx to my tanky/con build i can take some damage but i do lack in dps

and duo to that most pll don’t want you they only care about fast dps sadly
no thx that i get them up there feet and heal them all and get that job done

its very sad that the meta zerk build total take over the game all other build are sooner ore later not welcome

it seems players force you to be zerk -.-
i hope Anet will make a stop to this i gonna play it my way and not what others want me to be

Genlog.4983:

sadly i get kicked allot to as a ranger
first they saw me wear LB and a bear
i mostly use shortbow now and more dps pets but ok

i only use LB and bear to get out of sticky situations
my bear can pull ago and tank a bitt i mostly cloak away and get my self to a save spot

i can get downed players up faster duo to my trait
thx to my tanky/con build i can take some damage but i do lack in dps

and duo to that most pll don’t want you they only care about fast dps sadly
no thx that i get them up there feet and heal them all and get that job done

its very sad that the meta zerk build total take over the game all other build are sooner ore later not welcome

it seems players force you to be zerk -.-
i hope Anet will make a stop to this i gonna play it my way and not what others want me to be

Yeah, other players should be forced to carry you through dungeons, it’s totally unfair that you get kicked for taking a PvP build into a dungeon.

It’s only fair that every build does the same DPS in every situation.

Genlog.4983:

sadly i get kicked allot to as a ranger
first they saw me wear LB and a bear
i mostly use shortbow now and more dps pets but ok

This is EXACTLY the reason why rangers get kicked.
If you would use sword/axe, or at least greatsword, place your frost spirits and provide party-wide ferocity with spotter, there wouldn’t be any problem.
But if you’re using longbow, shortbow or a bear pet in PvE, you’re basically just slowing everyone down and taking up a space that could be filled by a player that does contribute something to the group.

Next time just make your own LFG : I want to be carried as efficiently as possible

bladex.9502:

Genlog.4983:

sadly i get kicked allot to as a ranger
first they saw me wear LB and a bear
i mostly use shortbow now and more dps pets but ok

This is EXACTLY the reason why rangers get kicked.
If you would use sword/axe, or at least greatsword, place your frost spirits and provide party-wide ferocity with spotter, there wouldn’t be any problem.
But if you’re using longbow, shortbow or a bear pet in PvE, you’re basically just slowing everyone down and taking up a space that could be filled by a player that does contribute something to the group.

Next time just make your own LFG : I want to be carried as efficiently as possible

Even with sword/axe and frost spirit/spotter, other classes are far more beneficial to the group than you are. And in terms of practical DPS application, your sword/axe ranger isn’t putting out the damage on fractal 50 mossman or archdiviner that other classes are because if you’re mashing your autoattack buttons, which is your actual source of DPS outside axe 4, you’re gonna take a dirt nap as it locks down your dodging windows.

And yeah, you can pause your sword autoattacks to make sure you don’t pounce animation lock yourself to death, but pausing your autoattack chain just so you can have an opening to be able to dodge IS A DPS LOSS. A forced DPS loss given the awful mechanic the weapon is saddled with.

Alternatively you can use the greatsword but that weapon is even worse DPS.

Either way, ranger is in the pit with necromancer as a class whose practical performance is far behind what the other classes can offer.

Zenith.7301:

bladex.9502:

Genlog.4983:

sadly i get kicked allot to as a ranger
first they saw me wear LB and a bear
i mostly use shortbow now and more dps pets but ok

This is EXACTLY the reason why rangers get kicked.
If you would use sword/axe, or at least greatsword, place your frost spirits and provide party-wide ferocity with spotter, there wouldn’t be any problem.
But if you’re using longbow, shortbow or a bear pet in PvE, you’re basically just slowing everyone down and taking up a space that could be filled by a player that does contribute something to the group.

Next time just make your own LFG : I want to be carried as efficiently as possible

Even with sword/axe and frost spirit/spotter, other classes are far more beneficial to the group than you are. And in terms of practical DPS application, your sword/axe ranger isn’t putting out the damage on fractal 50 mossman or archdiviner that other classes are because if you’re mashing your autoattack buttons, which is your actual source of DPS outside axe 4, you’re gonna take a dirt nap as it locks down your dodging windows.

And yeah, you can pause your sword autoattacks to make sure you don’t pounce animation lock yourself to death, but pausing your autoattack chain just so you can have an opening to be able to dodge IS A DPS LOSS. A forced DPS loss given the awful mechanic the weapon is saddled with.

Alternatively you can use the greatsword but that weapon is even worse DPS.

Either way, ranger is in the pit with necromancer as a class whose practical performance is far behind what the other classes can offer.

Judging by his post, I sincerely doubt he’s doing fractal 50’s :$
All I ment to say is that he complains about getting kicked, and then sums up every reason for a party to kick him lol

bladex.9502:

Genlog.4983:

sadly i get kicked allot to as a ranger
first they saw me wear LB and a bear
i mostly use shortbow now and more dps pets but ok

This is EXACTLY the reason why rangers get kicked.
If you would use sword/axe, or at least greatsword, place your frost spirits and provide party-wide ferocity with spotter, there wouldn’t be any problem.
But if you’re using longbow, shortbow or a bear pet in PvE, you’re basically just slowing everyone down and taking up a space that could be filled by a player that does contribute something to the group.

Next time just make your own LFG : I want to be carried as efficiently as possible

first off all spirit are weak and die to fast not a very good party buff for the party
second spotter is in a trait i don’t use it wont give me much survival in dungeons

axe/war horn is ok but not my style
both my LB and short bow are Aced

also the problem with zerkers are they are a gamble style
they have no toughness and no VIT in there gear just pure dps
1 mistake and there dead in 1 shot see it to offend

so that is why my build comes in with both bows i can get out save my bear pull argo and i get them up fast on there feet

so don’t tell me i don’t help the party ??
its just a other play style but i do use allot off traps to stack up allot of con damage

pretty sad what i saw also and LFG zerker party no necro -.-
so yea again necro is also not wanted

only thing Anet can do is make spirit way stronger no time limit and follow you around
like the same stats as your pets only they give buffs also with a command if the follow you ore stay ad that place that will make ranger a very good support class

Smells like irony, tastes like bingo
bearbow stronk/10

Lmfao

Please let this be real and not a troll. I feel like it’s someone just trying as hard as they can to kitten with everyone, but I can have hope!

I think he is legit, saw this in his post history.

Genlog.4983:

bladex.9502:

Genlog.4983:

sadly i get kicked allot to as a ranger
first they saw me wear LB and a bear
i mostly use shortbow now and more dps pets but ok

This is EXACTLY the reason why rangers get kicked.
If you would use sword/axe, or at least greatsword, place your frost spirits and provide party-wide ferocity with spotter, there wouldn’t be any problem.
But if you’re using longbow, shortbow or a bear pet in PvE, you’re basically just slowing everyone down and taking up a space that could be filled by a player that does contribute something to the group.

Next time just make your own LFG : I want to be carried as efficiently as possible

first off all spirit are weak and die to fast not a very good party buff for the party
second spotter is in a trait i don’t use it wont give me much survival in dungeons

axe/war horn is ok but not my style
both my LB and short bow are Aced

also the problem with zerkers are they are a gamble style
they have no toughness and no VIT in there gear just pure dps
1 mistake and there dead in 1 shot see it to offend

so that is why my build comes in with both bows i can get out save my bear pull argo and i get them up fast on there feet

so don’t tell me i don’t help the party ??
its just a other play style but i do use allot off traps to stack up allot of con damage

pretty sad what i saw also and LFG zerker party no necro -.-
so yea again necro is also not wanted

only thing Anet can do is make spirit way stronger no time limit and follow you around
like the same stats as your pets only they give buffs also with a command if the follow you ore stay ad that place that will make ranger a very good support class

You made my day!

I have never gotten kicked for my profession or my gear. I don’t typically use my ranger in dungeons, but when I do I always ask first. If they have a problem I swap. I’ve brought my necromancer into 30+ fractal pugs and no one has kicked me yet. Not sure if I’m just lucky or if my AP earns me the benefit of the doubt (almost 12.5k.)

Gear and profession don’t matter to me as much as your skill and your ability to listen. Anyone who can listen to suggestions in strategy can learn to be a better player. Those who think they know best and bring everyone down deserve to be kicked. Gear and prof don’t matter unless you are specifically trying to break a record.

doddbox.8153:

I think he is legit, saw this in his post history.

hahahaha its my old gear
i now have a full aced leftpaw gear and short bow with the runes off undead in my gear
so am a bit tanky and stile do nice con damage

tested it solo in the dungeon COE i did beat all elite first only Alpha was to hard
but am stile testing ^^

Genlog.4983:

first off all spirit are weak and die to fast not a very good party buff for the party

Not our fault is some ppl are dumb enough to put spirits near the boss when they have 1k range effect

Genlog.4983:

second spotter is in a trait i don’t use it wont give me much survival in dungeons

I’ve heard that dungeons are usually done with 5 ppl + you’ve got some really nice traits in Marksmanship

Genlog.4983:

axe/war horn is ok but not my style
both my LB and short bow are Aced

They were talking about Sword MH and Axe OH I think + ascended doesn’t make all

Genlog.4983:

also the problem with zerkers are they are a gamble style
they have no toughness and no VIT in there gear just pure dps
1 mistake and there dead in 1 shot see it to offend

Yup, but you can take…well…2 more hits ? I don’t see the point at tanking 2 more hits when you’ll kill the boss three times longer so he’ll hit you 3x more
Moreover, better learn how bosses work and how to dodge than just playing braindead at range

Genlog.4983:

so don’t tell me i don’t help the party ??
its just a other play style but i do use allot off traps to stack up allot of con damage

You’ll help them a lot more by doing damages and buffing them.

Genlog.4983:

pretty sad what i saw also and LFG zerker party no necro -.-
so yea again necro is also not wanted

Yay, that’s sad…but again thanks to @net, other classes bring more group support and more DPS as well

Genlog.4983:

tested it solo in the dungeon COE i did beat all elite first only Alpha was to hard
but am stile testing ^^

Wait what ? First Alpha hard ?

Rahveiz.7461:

Genlog.4983:

first off all spirit are weak and die to fast not a very good party buff for the party

Not our fault is some ppl are dumb enough to put spirits near the boss when they have 1k range effect

Genlog.4983:

second spotter is in a trait i don’t use it wont give me much survival in dungeons

I’ve heard that dungeons are usually done with 5 ppl + you’ve got some really nice traits in Marksmanship

Genlog.4983:

axe/war horn is ok but not my style
both my LB and short bow are Aced

They were talking about Sword MH and Axe OH I think + ascended doesn’t make all

Genlog.4983:

also the problem with zerkers are they are a gamble style
they have no toughness and no VIT in there gear just pure dps
1 mistake and there dead in 1 shot see it to offend

Yup, but you can take…well…2 more hits ? I don’t see the point at tanking 2 more hits when you’ll kill the boss three times longer so he’ll hit you 3x more
Moreover, better learn how bosses work and how to dodge than just playing braindead at range

Genlog.4983:

so don’t tell me i don’t help the party ??
its just a other play style but i do use allot off traps to stack up allot of con damage

You’ll help them a lot more by doing damages and buffing them.

Genlog.4983:

pretty sad what i saw also and LFG zerker party no necro -.-
so yea again necro is also not wanted

Yay, that’s sad…but again thanks to @net, other classes bring more group support and more DPS as well

Genlog.4983:

tested it solo in the dungeon COE i did beat all elite first only Alpha was to hard
but am stile testing ^^

Wait what ? First Alpha hard ?

yea it spam allot of AOE magic sadly i cant dodge them all
and it spam later also small mops so your very very busy not get hit

i think i need signel to fill up the dodge bar faster its pretty slow atm

That’s where sword, dagger and GS come in. They all have extra evades giving you a lot more defensive tools. Active defense > Passive defense.

Jerus.4350:

That’s where sword, dagger and GS come in. They all have extra evades giving you a lot more defensive tools. Active defense > Passive defense.

i no but am very bad in close combat am more a player that circle around the enemy
and sword for ranger is very hard to master

No, but then I try to join PUGs as the only Warrior, and run full Berserker’s and Phalanx Strength, so I guess not many parties don’t want that.

I will say I find the “anti-meta”(?) attitude quite strange. A significant part of what I enjoy about fighting in a party is that I personally contribute something important (or at least beneficial) to it.

The “I’ll play [something useless] if I want because screw the meta” seems at odds with the whole purpose and value of playing in a group, regardless of personal feelings about optimal builds etc.

Surely the best approach is to play whatever you like, with parties who like to play the same way. “Metazerk elite speedrun pro bbq” LFGs might look a bit goofy, but their purpose is very clear. I see a lot of “everyone welcome” and “chill run” LFGs too. In that case, you’ll only be kicked if you or members of your party are really terrible and/or antisocial in some way.

Genlog.4983:

bladex.9502:

Genlog.4983:

sadly i get kicked allot to as a ranger
first they saw me wear LB and a bear
i mostly use shortbow now and more dps pets but ok

This is EXACTLY the reason why rangers get kicked.
If you would use sword/axe, or at least greatsword, place your frost spirits and provide party-wide ferocity with spotter, there wouldn’t be any problem.
But if you’re using longbow, shortbow or a bear pet in PvE, you’re basically just slowing everyone down and taking up a space that could be filled by a player that does contribute something to the group.

Next time just make your own LFG : I want to be carried as efficiently as possible

first off all spirit are weak and die to fast not a very good party buff for the party
second spotter is in a trait i don’t use it wont give me much survival in dungeons

axe/war horn is ok but not my style
both my LB and short bow are Aced

also the problem with zerkers are they are a gamble style
they have no toughness and no VIT in there gear just pure dps
1 mistake and there dead in 1 shot see it to offend

so that is why my build comes in with both bows i can get out save my bear pull argo and i get them up fast on there feet

so don’t tell me i don’t help the party ??
its just a other play style but i do use allot off traps to stack up allot of con damage

pretty sad what i saw also and LFG zerker party no necro -.-
so yea again necro is also not wanted

only thing Anet can do is make spirit way stronger no time limit and follow you around
like the same stats as your pets only they give buffs also with a command if the follow you ore stay ad that place that will make ranger a very good support class

My sides, I’m crying

There is nothing wrong with not being able to play a zerker build. Or not being able to melee some bosses. It is something to work towards, but not not evening has that kind of dedication or desire. Some people have issues with being able to play it or what not, and that is fine. There are many other groups out there for people who wish to play differently. However if said person joins a zerker only group there is a chance that they will be kicked.

As GreyerSkies said, I don’t understand wanting to run a bad build just for the sake of running it, but that is up to the person who is running it. If its how they have fun so be it. Thankfully since the skill and trait clean up in the most recent patch, its harder to create a “useless” build, then it is to simply create a Non-Viable one.

Genlog.4983:

Jerus.4350:

That’s where sword, dagger and GS come in. They all have extra evades giving you a lot more defensive tools. Active defense > Passive defense.

i no but am very bad in close combat am more a player that circle around the enemy
and sword for ranger is very hard to master

I’m TERRIBLE with sword, it’s why I didn’t play my ranger for the longest time. With the new traits I saw some fun potential with GS so I’ve been screwing around with it (i’m sure it’s less damage but ehh whatever).

As for one of the other comments about not understanding why people use bad builds. Well… sometimes it’s just fun to change things up. I swapped a whole set of ascended to clerics just to screw around with it on my guard. Sometimes it’s just fun to laugh at bad things as you try to make them work the best they can.

I see rangers and necros get kicked all the time, usually before they even get to say a word, even when the group just said “zerk only”.

Doesn’t affect me personally, as I play a Guardian, but it does happen frequently, I see it a couple times a week I’d guess.

Zefiris.8297:

I see rangers and necros get kicked all the time, usually before they even get to say a word, even when the group just said “zerk only”.

Doesn’t affect me personally, as I play a Guardian, but it does happen frequently, I see it a couple times a week I’d guess.

then i gonna kick all other classes ^^
only rangers and necro welcome

Jerus.4350:

Genlog.4983:

Jerus.4350:

That’s where sword, dagger and GS come in. They all have extra evades giving you a lot more defensive tools. Active defense > Passive defense.

i no but am very bad in close combat am more a player that circle around the enemy
and sword for ranger is very hard to master

I’m TERRIBLE with sword, it’s why I didn’t play my ranger for the longest time. With the new traits I saw some fun potential with GS so I’ve been screwing around with it (i’m sure it’s less damage but ehh whatever).

As for one of the other comments about not understanding why people use bad builds. Well… sometimes it’s just fun to change things up. I swapped a whole set of ascended to clerics just to screw around with it on my guard. Sometimes it’s just fun to laugh at bad things as you try to make them work the best they can.

I get that it can be fun to see just how bad a build you can come up with. But I don’t think it’s a good idea to do it with pugs. I will keep my bad builds hidden. Way way down in that dark place in my soul that I call pvp

That’s no fun, you have to show how special of a snowflake you are. Race out there with your Sentinels pistol/shield gadget engi and show them what’s what!

I usually onyl play fractals 50 and 40 but have been doing some dungeons for the past weeks. Never, and I do mean never have I ever seen someone getting kicked for their class or build. Not even in high level fractals.
I guess when people get kicked it’s just because they are bad, not because of their setup.
That being said, I almost never join groups that have ‘zerker’, ‘meta’, ‘gearcheck’ or ‘speedrun’ in their lfg and still manage to clear all content the game has to offer at a rather good pace. Funnily enough, groups that don’t have requirements usually are much smoother runs than meta groups, probably because many players like me, who know how to play their class but don’t want to subject themselves to this pseudo elitist BS prioritize those kinds of groups.
Maybe it’s just that bad players don’t even have access to high level fractals due to AR and even when someone with 3k or a necro joins, you can be certain to some extent that those players know what they are doing.

I main engi with ranger being my 2nd class.

I have done afew PuGs on my ranger and haven’t been kicked yet. I’m very stubon though and mostly stick to sword/dagger for the whole lvl50 fractal. ( even if it’s impractical )

The only place I can see long bow is the last time you fight achi on cliffside. Basicly you use the Long bow 5 skill as ele’s use meteor for that " free damage "
For example: after the group kills all the chanters, cast barrage ( long bow 5 ) on archi and then the hammer wielder swings and the arrows will still come down on him while everyone is stuned.

Sarah

It doesnt help that I just made a ranger (less than 1 month old) and have never ever been kicked.

Ofcourse i may just be lucky but i play with and see so many other rangers that arent kicked.. I dont know. Time zone? EU? a specific dungeon path/fractal?

Genlog.4983:

then i gonna kick all other classes ^^
only rangers and necro welcome

I joined a ranger and necro only TA run a few months ago, it went surprisingly smoothly.

Haven’t done any dungeons recently due to sheer boredom, but in 2 years+ it was rare to see someone kicked solely due to their class or build. Back in 2013 when I’d just hit 80 I joined a group on ranger and was asked to ping my skills. Had no idea about the meta so I was a bit puzzled when they kicked me.

In the farmable dungeons and low level fractals being <80 or having low AP are the greatest ‘risk factors’ though. Usually if someone’s running a non meta profession at most they’re asked to switch, especially if the group missing a preferred class (Thief in CM for example). No idea how Arah and fractal 50 PUGs operate.

While a bad warrior or guardian may be a disapointament in terms of dps, bad rangers and necromancers endanger parties during fights.
A warrior can AA on greatsword and dish out acceptable damage, something few classes can achieve, and mind me i have had my share of LB knockbacks ranger or necros wearing nightmare runes. Should i choose, an extra warrior is far more of a safe choice than those classes, even bad because he will not draw us back.

Last time i had a necro in my party was in arah, who forced his way into our group while we specifically asked for a guardian (we didn’t have a mes or any reflects – did have a thief but i dont know what was doing). Having 12k AP we let him off the hook and proceeded. Yep, having a high AP will help you in groups not too rigid.

During Lupi, when entering phase 2 the aoe spread downed everyone safe for me and the necro (who just went full DS and soaked the damage) and then proceeded to range him using a staff and AA DS, leaving me the aggro.
I eventually fall and he finishes the boss 5 minutes later before glorifying himself as carrying us.

While i have reflected on my deeds (i am still practicing to solo lupi) such as bringing a shield for key moments, memorizing the kick animation and much more, this made me understand why they are hated.

They are essentially a selfish class, we hate necros because their group utility in non-existant (the vampiric aura being a joke) but also because their survivability means that while not supporting us should we fail the necro is still able to continue dishing out its mediocre dps. (if i recall, the AA of DS is around 7-8k damage in best scenarios, in solos i should say the dps is halved because of dodging and positioning)

In their own right, they are as bad as pvt players. Even worse, since at least some pvt classes have valuable utility skills (I remember a video of a nomad thief running a dugeon extremely fast by providing adequate support and i second this, the utility support is important). But then again necro has neither.

And it is rather annoying to see a necro soloing a boss. Because it is slow and unimpressive given the extended survivability of the class. He is wasting our time at our expense, hence why i do not accept necros unless i am certain i do not need to count on him by doing easy content where his impact is minimal.

I have played necro myself, and in dungeons i just hated the fact that my comrades could fall and not be able to do anything while as a warrior i would just toss the rez ban or boon spam, reflect and rez as a guardian. (it was in a SE path 1, we steamrolled everything so hard we decided to do Tazza on spawn, and while i’m a mediocre necro, being full zerk i was still full health while my party members were long dead. Really, taking this class is just a big PHIW finger to your comrades)

So yeah. Necros shouldn’t be allowed in content were they can screw us up.

Exos.3472:

A warrior can AA on greatsword and dish out acceptable damage,

LOL thanks for the laught

Exos.3472:

So yeah. Necros shouldn’t be allowed in content were they can screw us up.

Your party wiped on lupi and the necro finished it off for you thus screwing up the run?

Why don’t rest of you be less bad? With the necro there you steal health on hit and don’t bleed out. You get 150-450 bonus healing power which should go a long way on all your zerk builds. For content that you could solo, that is a huge buff.

And you say all this while bringing a thief who only brings stealth for runs. A job better done by a mesmer. At least necros can stack vulnerability.

Marthkus.4615:

Exos.3472:

So yeah. Necros shouldn’t be allowed in content were they can screw us up.

Your party wiped on lupi and the necro finished it off for you thus screwing up the run?

Why don’t rest of you be less bad? With the necro there you steal health on hit and don’t bleed out. You get 150-450 bonus healing power which should go a long way on all your zerk builds. For content that you could solo, that is a huge buff.

And you say all this while bringing a thief who only brings stealth for runs. A job better done by a mesmer. At least necros can stack vulnerability.

I think you underestimate the potency of blinds. As for bosses, yeah mesmers bring more utility here but dungeons/fractals also consist of trashmobs and that’s where thieves shine.

so far i see the bezerk party depend on 1 other with out it die die very fast
1 mistake and wola dead party

so is it not better to have a class that is a bit tanky ??
for save keeping ?

and with the good runes that ress you 20% faster to and give more health back
i say its a must in a party also rangers have a other thing search and rescue it tricker auto now with the good traits

so i stile don’t get it why the hate to none zerk builds ??
also to rangers and necros ??

so i hope sooner or later we rangers and necros get more love

Genlog.4983:

so far i see the bezerk party depend on 1 other with out it die die very fast
1 mistake and wola dead party

so is it not better to have a class that is a bit tanky ??
for save keeping ?

and with the good runes that ress you 20% faster to and give more health back
i say its a must in a party also rangers have a other thing search and rescue it tricker auto now with the good traits

so i stile don’t get it why the hate to none zerk builds ??
also to rangers and necros ??

so i hope sooner or later we rangers and necros get more love

Bad group can die with one mistake, but they usually rally anyway. Good group use support to keep them at high hp and trigger scholar runes and maximize their dps uptime. And support doesn’t need gear (it come from skills and traits). No hate toward Zerker, Assassin, Rampager and Sinister, just that some are better in certain build and situation. For the rest of the stats, they are usually selfish and view as training wheel. You sacrifice DPS for your self surviability. Group support does the same thing, but since it’s for the whole team, it easier for people to accept it. Healing would also go into that category, but it’s so weak that, well.

The hate on ranger is just plain stupidity on both part. Ranger and Necromancer can screw up a lot of stuff with fear, minion, pets, cc and most bad player use them like their life depend on it, making sure to bother everybody in the party. But at the same time, Ranger is a super powerful profession for more than a year and ppl continue to hate them thinking that it’s a bad profession.

Necro well. It’s necro and it need some love for Anet lol. Maybe Reaper will help.

Is there any situation where Rampager is really all that good? As far as I was aware Rabid was beating it out for condi builds before the last change. And it’s certainly sub par for power builds.

And as far as necro/ranger I’m quite sure most hate is based on seeing so many poorly played ones. A mesmer for example can be just as bad with it’s GS knockback… had 2 of those in my fractal the other day. Of course necro’s potential is also pretty poor (seriously DS build less than half the potential of Engi…) but when you look at realistic situations in pug groups, well I don’t really see people getting even close to their potential much at all, but I think a necro would/could easily because of how strait forward it is and for DS build you can even be ranging from safety once your locust are gone. So IMO realistically in a PUG necros are just fine, assuming you have all the key roles covered (stealth/projectil reflect, necro can actually help with might, vuln and blinds).

At this time, I’m on a mission to learn more about classes I don’t play often so that I am capable of switching to the most appropriate trait and utility setup for every encounter in PUG runs.

After reading more about how properly played necromancers are fine in suboptimal groups, I’ve been running dungeons with it together with a friend.

In some cases we make our own groups (LFM path X) or joining random groups. So far I have not yet been kicked so far but I’ve been avoiding parties with specific requirements (class, zerk, speedrun) despite running full ascended, berserker armor.

What I noticed however is there is some sort of tendency that the party took longer to form than usual. Only to notice that there is another post with more specific requirements along side ours.

Thaddeus.4891:

Genlog.4983:

so far i see the bezerk party depend on 1 other with out it die die very fast
1 mistake and wola dead party

so is it not better to have a class that is a bit tanky ??
for save keeping ?

and with the good runes that ress you 20% faster to and give more health back
i say its a must in a party also rangers have a other thing search and rescue it tricker auto now with the good traits

so i stile don’t get it why the hate to none zerk builds ??
also to rangers and necros ??

so i hope sooner or later we rangers and necros get more love

Bad group can die with one mistake, but they usually rally anyway. Good group use support to keep them at high hp and trigger scholar runes and maximize their dps uptime. And support doesn’t need gear (it come from skills and traits). No hate toward Zerker, Assassin, Rampager and Sinister, just that some are better in certain build and situation. For the rest of the stats, they are usually selfish and view as training wheel. You sacrifice DPS for your self surviability. Group support does the same thing, but since it’s for the whole team, it easier for people to accept it. Healing would also go into that category, but it’s so weak that, well.

The hate on ranger is just plain stupidity on both part. Ranger and Necromancer can screw up a lot of stuff with fear, minion, pets, cc and most bad player use them like their life depend on it, making sure to bother everybody in the party. But at the same time, Ranger is a super powerful profession for more than a year and ppl continue to hate them thinking that it’s a bad profession.

Necro well. It’s necro and it need some love for Anet lol. Maybe Reaper will help.

i find the stack system to buff every1 just plain stupid
all stand here and stack -.- its not how i play am a free roamer i need to move around

my bear hold Argo and am circle around the enemy and dodge his attacks and so on
sometimes when am in the game i do miss the old trinity system

i mostly play full healer and i was free to walk around and heal my party
as long the tanker hold the boss

mabye a idee to make some pets super tank pets that hold the argo for the party
so what i read is that both ranger and necro problem is there pets and minions

most other players don’t like them i have a pet but i must but him on guard -.-
and for rangers there pet is there life saver

and i think Anet need to rework on them make them more useful in dungeons
so that my pet get the credit and not the hate

that’s what i think atm

Why do I read this kitten when its 5am, jesus christ im going to sleep.