There is no way of doing the control panel without you being hit, there is no way to survive on the buttons long enough to distract them from the panel person.
The whole game is based on dodging but then punishes you for dodging by closing the door.
There is no way of doing the control panel without you being hit, there is no way to survive on the buttons long enough to distract them from the panel person.
The whole game is based on dodging but then punishes you for dodging by closing the door.
Not true. Entirely possible to do dredge without spy kits.
It’s a sad day when people complain that something is too hard because they have to do it legitimately now. Whatever happened to playing games for challenge instead of for mindless farming?
Mortryde/Cold/Thugmentalist Bara
really bad engineer
It’s a sad day when people complain that something is too hard because they have to do it legitimately now. Whatever happened to playing games for challenge instead of for mindless farming?
The days before people used spy kits at 30+ was you actually killed everything before proceeding to attempt the switch that way you werent being over run and only had to deal with non veteran mobs. Just sayin…
Wouldnt it be better for 1 to die on each button, 2 protecting the guy on the console?
Firstly when would any strategy involving team members being dead be an intelligent one?
But anyways no that wouldnt, in doing so you would cut the defenders potential damage and health pool in half and forcing 2 players to take on the whole dredge force. Splitting across buttons means 2 players vs half the force, who can work together using utils etc to easily hold off the dredge. Probably best to have a ranged player on the button and either another ranged kiting with aggro or a melee class keeping the dredge occupied. As always taking time to enter the room and control the mobs will also make it far easier.
In short, nothing in this game done properly will ever be easier with dead people.
Not sure if this always works but… if people die on the switches, the door stays open but mobs no longer spawn, allowing you to waltz in and just do it.
Firstly when would any strategy involving team members being dead be an intelligent one?
But anyways no that wouldnt, in doing so you would cut the defenders potential damage and health pool in half and forcing 2 players to take on the whole dredge force. Splitting across buttons means 2 players vs half the force, who can work together using utils etc to easily hold off the dredge. Probably best to have a ranged player on the button and either another ranged kiting with aggro or a melee class keeping the dredge occupied. As always taking time to enter the room and control the mobs will also make it far easier.
In short, nothing in this game done properly will ever be easier with dead people.
In the context of sans spy kits:
May I ask whether have u done dredge beyond lvl 10? They hit pretty hard past 20 imho and it will be very difficult to keep the guys on the buttons alive (nearly impossible on 30), especially with just 1 teammate assisting. Furthermore, if the person doing the console is NOT a thief, he/she may draw aggro from the mobs. One hit is all it takes to interrupt the process.
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Yep, this essentially ups the value of thieves in fractals.
And this is a pretty good thing. Thieves in pve have one “real” role outside of being a sub-par warrior (less health, slightly less overall damage) and that’s stealth. While shadow refuge was good here and there for safe rezzing, the fact that EVERYONE could use stealth because of spy kits kind of made them redundant. Now they can actually use one of their classes’s main mechanics for a reason.
Also that smoke wall is kitten underused.
Mortryde/Cold/Thugmentalist Bara
really bad engineer
Firstly when would any strategy involving team members being dead be an intelligent one?
But anyways no that wouldnt, in doing so you would cut the defenders potential damage and health pool in half and forcing 2 players to take on the whole dredge force. Splitting across buttons means 2 players vs half the force, who can work together using utils etc to easily hold off the dredge. Probably best to have a ranged player on the button and either another ranged kiting with aggro or a melee class keeping the dredge occupied. As always taking time to enter the room and control the mobs will also make it far easier.
In short, nothing in this game done properly will ever be easier with dead people.
In the context of sans spy kits:
May I ask whether have u done dredge beyond lvl 10? They hit pretty hard past 20 imho and it will be very difficult to keep the guys on the buttons alive (nearly impossible on 30), especially with just 1 teammate assisting. Furthermore, if the person doing the console is NOT a thief, he/she may draw aggro from the mobs. One hit is all it takes to interrupt the process.
I hate spy kit methods, I refused to do them pre patch. Did a FoM 28 run earlier today, after kicking 4 people refusing to not use spy kits (the biggest challenge tbh), we did it without with no issues. If you struggle to keep up, you probably need to rethink your build/party/methods.
I hate spy kit methods, I refused to do them pre patch. Did a FoM 28 run earlier today, after kicking 4 people refusing to not use spy kits (the biggest challenge tbh), we did it without with no issues. If you struggle to keep up, you probably need to rethink your build/party/methods.
Kicking 4 ppl? Sounds like the reverse. Try the same at lvl 38 and pls report the results of your tactics, especially with 0 thieves. Thank you.
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Firstly when would any strategy involving team members being dead be an intelligent one?
But anyways no that wouldnt, in doing so you would cut the defenders potential damage and health pool in half and forcing 2 players to take on the whole dredge force. Splitting across buttons means 2 players vs half the force, who can work together using utils etc to easily hold off the dredge. Probably best to have a ranged player on the button and either another ranged kiting with aggro or a melee class keeping the dredge occupied. As always taking time to enter the room and control the mobs will also make it far easier.
In short, nothing in this game done properly will ever be easier with dead people.
In the context of sans spy kits:
May I ask whether have u done dredge beyond lvl 10? They hit pretty hard past 20 imho and it will be very difficult to keep the guys on the buttons alive (nearly impossible on 30), especially with just 1 teammate assisting. Furthermore, if the person doing the console is NOT a thief, he/she may draw aggro from the mobs. One hit is all it takes to interrupt the process.
I hate spy kit methods, I refused to do them pre patch. Did a FoM 28 run earlier today, after kicking 4 people refusing to not use spy kits (the biggest challenge tbh), we did it without with no issues. If you struggle to keep up, you probably need to rethink your build/party/methods.
Kicking 4 ppl? Sounds like the reverse. Try the same at lvl 38 and pls report the results of your tactics. Thank you.
I had to kick 4 people because they refused to actually play the encounter because they wanted to kit, not because they were incapable (I never found that out). Either way, 28 with people paying attention was a breeze, I dont expect 38 to be impossible, but hopefully challenging.
I have knight + soldier guardian with around 3,4k armor on fractals base. On 30+ fotm I can stand there on button with protection and all those buffs maybe for 10 seconds (elite invu make it so long mostly)
I can block shooting dredges, yes, but not those with shocking wave and not those who jump from the floor on me with knockdown. I cant dodge them (it will interupt console).
If someone got some video, how to really defend this event on 30+ and stay alive on buttons without stealth etc I really want to see it.
I have knight + soldier guardian with around 3,4k armor on fractals base. On 30+ fotm I can stand there on button with protection and all those buffs maybe for 10 seconds (elite invu make it so long mostly)
I can block shooting dredges, yes, but not those with shocking wave and not those who jump from the floor on me with knockdown. I cant dodge them (it will interupt console).
If someone got some video, how to really defend this event on 30+ and stay alive on buttons without stealth etc I really want to see it.
I had to kick 4 people because they refused to actually play the encounter because they wanted to kit, not because they were incapable (I never found that out). Either way, 28 with people paying attention was a breeze, I dont expect 38 to be impossible, but hopefully challenging.
Please go ahead with no spy kit use, no thieves, 1 guy helping another on the button to stay alive in order to draw aggro from the guy doing the console. At lvl 38. If you could, please record the success of your encounter on Fraps.
If you kick ppl from your party because they want to use spy kits in dredge fractals, honestly you are a kitten and on my permanent kitten block list.
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I don’t like direction in which fotm as a whole goes.
It’s strange that the higher level you do the more problem with trash mobs you have. on 30+ it’s just a chore to kill those hundreds dredges who has protection for forever and hits like truck. When you at last get to final boss you are just happy because now it’s the easy part.
Hammer fractal, the same problem. Boss which is just like boss, nothing new, kit him do death. But vets on seals, omg hits like truck. Ascalon the same, let our vet kill those vets because this warrior over there can kill my full tanky guardian in 2 swings….
Uhh the control panel takes more than 10 seconds….
Stealth stacks, so ostensibly you could use your stealth heal and smoke bomb 1st. And shadow refuge stealth should be 4 + 10s according to wiki.
+1 spy kit if u are desperate.
Actually come to think of it, my mesmer could probably stealth for the full duration if I used 1 spy kit + mass invis + veil.
Except you cant use the kit now while in channel due to bundle. Seriously…. just do the kitten event the right way and its easy. Too much of this chicken sh** to kill the dredge. It’s only the first spawn thats annoying. After that is w/e.
Except you cant use the kit now while in channel due to bundle. Seriously…. just do the kitten event the right way and its easy. Too much of this chicken sh** to kill the dredge. It’s only the first spawn thats annoying. After that is w/e.
Excuse me what is the “right” way? Dont you mean your way? Its easy on lower level fracts I agree. I can imagine the super hard core agreeing with u on lvl 70-80.
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I’ve done dredge fractals in the 60’s of fractal level without using spy kits with no problem.
If you can’t do it without spy kits, the problem is your players. Unskilled players who can’t figure out how to kill mobs while avoiding damage are just going to fail now. I’m glad this change is in.
I’ve done dredge fractals in the 60’s of fractal level without using spy kits with no problem.
If you can’t do it without spy kits, the problem is your players. Unskilled players who can’t figure out how to kill mobs while avoiding damage are just going to fail now. I’m glad this change is in.
Fine. I wish I could play with elite players like you all the time, if wat you say is true for u and all ur teammates. And good job trying to avoid damage when the guy on the button can’t dodge.
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Except you cant use the kit now while in channel due to bundle. Seriously…. just do the kitten event the right way and its easy. Too much of this chicken sh** to kill the dredge. It’s only the first spawn thats annoying. After that is w/e.
Excuse me what is the “right” way? Dont you mean your way? Its easy on lower level fracts I agree. I can imagine the super hard core agreeing with u on lvl 70-80.
The right way is killing the mobs as you enter as the first spawn is the only danger. The mobs spawning afterwards aren’t as annoying. This isn’t even about elitistm, this is about laziness getting babied.
Given that they changed the item mechanics to make “Your way” no longer work, and all of the reaching for alternative tactics come up with some weak approaches…
It could be that just killing the mob as suggested is in fact “The Right Way” – it appears to be intended, works, has just had a big item nerf to support its core mechanics… tick tick tick in favour of “More correct”..
Feeling bad due to my response does not mean it was a personal attack.
It may just be that your original statement was wrong.
Please try again.
Given that they changed the item mechanics to make “Your way” no longer work, and all of the reaching for alternative tactics come up with some weak approaches…
It could be that just killing the mob as suggested is in fact “The Right Way” – it appears to be intended, works, has just had a big item nerf to support its core mechanics… tick tick tick in favour of “More correct”..
I wish the “not elitist” players actually go pugging more often at high levels and don’t RQ if they fail repeatedly. I mean if people find the lava elemental really hard and can fail with TWO mesmers at lvl 10, GL to some people tactics of defending the two guys at the button AKA “The Right Way” to some people at high level fracts. So using a spy kit or even kiting is bad? The objective is just to buy enough time for the guy at the console to finish, but “The Right Way” for some people seems to be players to tank at the button and hope they can kill everything so that they don’t aggro the player at the console.
As for the separate issue of the spy kits which was brought up by the OP, the devs should have gotten rid of spy kits altogether if that was the intention of not being able to use stealth as a tactic, which some “non-elitist” players really loathe, judging by their responses eg KICKING players when they want to use spy kits. However, I approve of not spamming spy kit btw, 50s CD can be just a bit too long though, which I believe is the dev not wanting to trivalise many encounters including COF P3. I am not the dev, this is simply my opinion. I have no idea whether the “non elitist” players will insist on doing it “The Right Way” if they have a thief in the party and get the thief to NOT do the console. Maybe the developers should increase the activation time of the console to 1 min to prevent a stealth solution even by two thieves and satisfy the “non elitists”.
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Are you comparing “kiting vs. face tanking” as a tactical discussion to having a cry because an exploitable consumable was patched?
Seems the real concern is PUGs, how will PUGs be sucessfull if they can’t sleaze their way out of challenging content? I would have some more faith in your fellow players bro – we got your back…
Feeling bad due to my response does not mean it was a personal attack.
It may just be that your original statement was wrong.
Please try again.
Are you comparing “kiting vs. face tanking” as a tactical discussion to having a cry because an exploitable consumable was patched?
Seems the real concern is PUGs, how will PUGs be sucessfull if they can’t sleaze their way out of challenging content? I would have some more faith in your fellow players bro – we got your back…
Sure, not when the “non-elitists” are sliming you or other players. Am I complaining or having a cry as you put it? No, I didnt even start the thread. I just hate kittens who think they are really good players but may in fact suck.
Since you got personal, one more to my kitten block list. If you are serious about having a discussion however, please +1 to my suggestion of increasing the console activation time.
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That was always the issue with fractals. People glitched/cheesed them from level 1 all the way up so no one knew how to do it. Having pugged while refusing to use any kind of exploit or near-exploit (cheese) in my groups, its laughable how many people have never even SEEN some of these fractals done fair and square.
Those who did handle them just fine though. Even without a thief. Its not that hard
That was always the issue with fractals. People glitched/cheesed them from level 1 all the way up so no one knew how to do it. Having pugged while refusing to use any kind of exploit or near-exploit (cheese) in my groups, its laughable how many people have never even SEEN some of these fractals done fair and square.
Those who did handle them just fine though. Even without a thief. Its not that hard
May I ask what level u last did dredge without the spy kits and is it after they buffed the dredge spawn? And with PUGs please.
If you are serious about having a discussion however, please +1 to my suggestion of increasing the console activation time.
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Basically if you don’t agree with his views, your opinion is invalid. Whether you do it legitly or spykit, his idea of doing is the epitome of the only way of doing it. Ive done dredge past lvl 40 doing it legitly. I like to do things the right way time to time as to remind people to not get rusty with such content. Feel free to keep crying about an unbalanced item though. We all knew it was going to get nerfed. Robert even said he doesnt like it 2 patches ago.
Anything that dummies down the player base is a bad thing. Thank you Anet for fixing this and other things like stacking under bridge for Mossman. Everyone else. if you don’t like the time sink well no one is forcing you to do high level fractals. AND no one is forcing you to use the lfg or pug. It’s an mmo, learn to make friends with similar goals, that’s what I did. There is far too many disconnected people in this community who want to queue up for a party not say a fricking word to anyone spam 1 and 2 until they get loot, then leave. Go play Skyrim!!! Also wtb high lvl urban battleground and dredge fractal farm group!!
Mallet the Mad
Knight Templars
SoR Mesmer of Madness
Basically if you don’t agree with his views, your opinion is invalid. Whether you do it legitly or spykit, his idea of doing is the epitome of the only way of doing it. Ive done dredge past lvl 40 doing it legitly. I like to do things the right way time to time as to remind people to not get rusty with such content. Feel free to keep crying about an unbalanced item though. We all knew it was going to get nerfed. Robert even said he doesnt like it 2 patches ago.
Hello I dont even use the term “the right way” or “the only way”. Its only some “non-elitists” who do. And I dont go “Wahh, some people arent playing the right way and face tanking everything, why are they CHEATING? How dare they cheese the encounter / mechanic with a consumable and not some class skill? Btw, if u use a spy kit (even after nerf), you are EXPLOITING aka non-legit and kitten off from my party”
Please suggest removing the spy kit altogther to the dev (in addition to increasing the console activation time). I seriously don’t mind if thats your idea of crying about an unbalanced item. I am no longer responding to people who obviously run 5 warrior full zerker gear guild parties in high level fracts because they are THAT good.
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