It was a stupid encounter to begin with, but spy kits were even worse. In the longest fractal to boot…
Undodgeable (can’t jump off the switch) high damage ranged attacks from mobs with lots of hp and permanent protection… they should just remove the protection and fury spam the dredge mobs do.
That way their attacks would at least be a bit more survivable and you could kill those ugly things.
What! I love dredge fractal! Delicious Heavy Miner Bags YES! Also doable in the normal way. Have a guardian circle around and grab all the mobs and “tank” them on the opposite side of the door been opened.
I recommend in using mace+focus + greatsword and energy sigil on one of those weapons. Renewed focus also helps.
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Honestly so much useless people playing this game. Did this on 38 after 1 failed attempt yesterday. 2 dead bodies on button 2 protecting/kiting whatever suits you 1 opening. Not that hard to make a forum post about it
Honestly so many people just toeing the company line like they just took part in a bake sale but somehow didn’t manage to sell anything because they burned the food. Your arguments are unconvincing. Its not about whether its doable or not, its about choosing to play a different way.
This is not a Barney moment, I don’t love you, you don’t love me. It can still be saved though if you stop being creepy.
I love it when people say they cleared lvl 38 post patch dredge but never say what their party composition is or whether they were in a PUG.
Back to my example of 5 warrior parties at lvl 38, I believe that a skilled party (PUG or not) could do Lava Shaman whilst it not being an ideal situation especially with soldier runes. I really want to see a video of a 5 warrior party clearing this, even if some are support builds. Of course being 1337s no consumable use allowed at all, except possibly for food especially now that food life steal has nerfed.
Apologies to those who may find my posts on GW2 forums offensive and hateful.
Did this for the first time the other day and we didn’t even know what we were doing, got it in the first try by just having three on the button and one person running around pulling all the mobs and me just doing the panel unhindered. Just seemed like the easiest and most obvious part of the fractal.
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Honestly so much useless people playing this game. Did this on 38 after 1 failed attempt yesterday. 2 dead bodies on button 2 protecting/kiting whatever suits you 1 opening. Not that hard to make a forum post about it
I have no problem with this dungeon myself, however do you really think a mechanicsm where you more or less have to die on a switch is a good one? in my mind it should always be possible to get past a mechanism without people dieing..
Personally I don’t care much, as I usually play a guardian and dieing in there just dosnt happen to me, but you can’t expect everyone to play a guardian.
the best strategy is to let two people die on panels, 1 hacks while the other two distract dredges and don’t exactly stay near the person that is hacking for him not being interrupted by aoe. This works fine for up to like lev30 but 40+ gl to you. This part and the mini boss before last part is such a waste of time and poorly done…
Fact: every Thief tells you to “l2p” when the subject is to nerf stealth.
No step of your strategy should be “die.” Don’t know why people keep advocating that. Is it viable? Sure. Is it kitten backwards and counter-intuitive? Very much so.
Well, looks like it’s gonna be resetting till we get Water/Char/Swamp in a row.
Spy Kits were an abuse, and avoided the dungeon. This is not a game ending change, it is a slap in the face of everyone who thought they were pro because they knew where to buy the cheesing gear.
There is no way of doing the control panel without you being hit, there is no way to survive on the buttons long enough to distract them from the panel person.
The whole game is based on dodging but then punishes you for dodging by closing the door.
multiple classes have group invis, multiple classes have pulls, multiple classes have aoe for aggro….
I hate spy kit methods, I refused to do them pre patch. Did a FoM 28 run earlier today, after kicking 4 people refusing to not use spy kits (the biggest challenge tbh), we did it without with no issues. If you struggle to keep up, you probably need to rethink your build/party/methods.
Kicking 4 ppl? Sounds like the reverse. Try the same at lvl 38 and pls report the results of your tactics, especially with 0 thieves. Thank you.
Sounds like the opinion of someone who cheeses every dungeon he goes into. Just because it is easier does not make it the right strategy. This change is proof that there was supposed to be other ways all along.
Dredge is perfectly possible without the spy kits (did a 38 group without them just now). It does, however, take much longer and require much more effort.
Kudos to you and your teammates, especially if it is a PUG party. May I also ask that have you used the tactic of tanking with one teammate to assist, whether have you reset at all and your party composition?
PUG and the highest anticipated tier of end game dungeon…are people really defending that this should be possible, or worse yet easy?
Nah, only time I kick people is if they go afk too long or lose link.
Sometimes OTHER people in the group didn’t want spy kits, so we didn’t use them. Obviously spy kits are the fastest way, it’s a freebie. But it’s not a big deal not using them either.
Err yes it WAS a big deal using the spy kits. And sorry if I want to make fights / puzzle / encounter easier by using a consumable and some elitists who don’t and hates them (scroll up thread for special kitten who kicks people from party from using them). I am not about to play with some kitten who insists on doing their own way, much less obey their directive, which is in fact less efficient based on nothing but virtual elitism.
If you don’t want to do an exploit / glitch (not a use of a consumable to non elitists) and party is perfectly capable of doing an encounter and the time difference is not huge like 20 minutes or more, fair enough. Even then it would be a suggestion to a group and not “ANET please ban these exploiters” or “I must stick to my virtual gaming ethics” etc.
It is not elitiest to not want to use an exploit, it is following the terms of service that we all agreed to follow when we singed up for this game.
It is not elitiest to not want to use an exploit, it is following the terms of service that we all agreed to follow when we singed up for this game.
ToS is useless again it has no meaning in most countries.
Said that…..Seems also you don t know what an exploit is….and spykits use was not an exploit.
The kit was meant to do exactly similar tasks.
You want to know what an exploit is?
Dying on switches is more likely to be one……i don t think any game strategy should involve character’s Death.
GW2 balance:
A PvE player is supposed to avoid a 1-2 second 1 shotting aoe.
A WWW player is considered uncapable of avoiding a 5,75 second aoe for half his health.
Why does there always have to be some troll. Bring back Spy Kits as they were, etc, etc. You want to talk about cheddar. Mesmer has only 5 seconds of mass invisibility. Playstyle and playing with style is what counts. Kyra Sharptracker wants to be loved.
i do not understand why some fractals can be short <10 min (see swamp), and some are 1-2h , is like wtf …
i don’t know about you guys, but to me, the ice boss is much worse than the dredge one, and it spawn adds every 1 second, that is the point of killing them ???
I did this yesterday @ 38 and it took us over an hour to get it done.
The easiest way I’ve seen to do the panel is to have people die on the buttons and have one person run in and aggro all the mobs. You can jump through the floor around the big drill and actually run around on the drill and the mobs will chase you around in a circle.
We ended up with the bomb part. What a disaster and poor design. It took us almost a half hour to get that part done alone.
Then we get to the drill boss. Another 20 minute fight and the last boss we one shot.
This is by far the worst Fractal right now. It just takes TOO LONG to finish!!! There’s WAY too many mobs that have perma protection and other boons and it’s a spam fest of dazes and knockdowns. I would rather do ANY other path (including Legendary Shaman) than this one.
You don’t need a wall or a thief or anything like that. We’ve never needed stealth for it. We put 1 person on each button, 1 on the panel, and 2 people keep aggro of the few dredge that spawn.
Edit: For the bombs run and grab the bombs, place them at the door and flee. I do agree it’s the worst fractal though. I hate the Ice Elemental
You don’t need a wall or a thief or anything like that. We’ve never needed stealth for it. We put 1 person on each button, 1 on the panel, and 2 people keep aggro of the few dredge that spawn.
Once i said “and when they will remove spykits?”
Now i say “and when they will fix the dead players triggering buttons?”
Edit: For the bombs run and grab the bombs, place them at the door and flee.
so dredge can safely remove bombs as you flee away ._. and you just spawned an insane amount of dregdes without even damaging the door….
GW2 balance:
A PvE player is supposed to avoid a 1-2 second 1 shotting aoe.
A WWW player is considered uncapable of avoiding a 5,75 second aoe for half his health.
Uhh the control panel takes more than 10 seconds….
stretch the imagination…theif is not the button user…mesmer uses mass invis while not being the button user….
Even as a thief with CnD or a mesmer, if you’re cloaking someone else you better hope that last guy who’s running around (because the other two are on buttons) has a lot of good aggro and the cloakers don’t get hit by collateral damage because if they do at lvl 40+ they’re going to drop like rocks.
Solution: Kill the mobs and quit whining. I just did this in lvl 40+ a few days ago, we killed the mobs, 2 people kept aggro and kited. Spykits made it easier. Too many people got spoiled by “easier” and refuse to learn new strats and rather complain here endlessly.
Solution: Kill the mobs and quit whining. I just did this in lvl 40+ a few days ago, we killed the mobs, 2 people kept aggro and kited. Spykits made it easier. Too many people got spoiled by “easier” and refuse to learn new strats and rather complain here endlessly.
It is not elitiest to not want to use an exploit, it is following the terms of service that we all agreed to follow when we singed up for this game.
ToS is useless again it has no meaning in most countries.
Said that…..Seems also you don t know what an exploit is….and spykits use was not an exploit.
The kit was meant to do exactly similar tasks.
You want to know what an exploit is?
Dying on switches is more likely to be one……i don t think any game strategy should involve character’s Death.
No meaning in most countries? This game has its own terms of service. Nomatter what government you live under while playing this game you must abide by the terms of service you agreed upon when entering the game. Failure to do so in not only inacceptable, but subject to ban for good reason.
There’s no way to avoid dying on the switches unless you bring bunker guardians. 2 people will die no matter what at 38+
And whatever genius suggested one person protecting each on the switches while leaving the door guy alone to some random spawn shooting him or burrowing up to him, not very smart unless you consistently bring thieves.
At FOTM38 we just have the 2 squishiest party members die on the button. The remaining 3 run in 2 kite the mobs out while the last one works the panel. Pretty easy really.
At FOTM38 we just have the 2 squishiest party members die on the button. The remaining 3 run in 2 kite the mobs out while the last one works the panel. Pretty easy really.
Yes this works (speaking of fotm 28-30) for me, it gets messy sometimes but is very doable. It’s the next stage that my party usually finds a little tricky tbh (bombing the door / using the gun).
It is not elitiest to not want to use an exploit, it is following the terms of service that we all agreed to follow when we singed up for this game.
ToS is useless again it has no meaning in most countries.
Said that…..Seems also you don t know what an exploit is….and spykits use was not an exploit.
The kit was meant to do exactly similar tasks.
You want to know what an exploit is?
Dying on switches is more likely to be one……i don t think any game strategy should involve character’s Death.
No meaning in most countries? This game has its own terms of service. Nomatter what government you live under while playing this game you must abide by the terms of service you agreed upon when entering the game. Failure to do so in not only inacceptable, but subject to ban for good reason.
actually false again…
TOS in europe are just a waste of disk space….
Any european could just confirm that…..and its OT, just use Google and whatever you want and you ’ll get plenty of informations about it being a quite famous topic opten asked by mmorpg newcomers….
And please learn what an exploit is….it seems you are not so experienced with mmorpg concepts…….thus your opinion may result flawed.
GW2 balance:
A PvE player is supposed to avoid a 1-2 second 1 shotting aoe.
A WWW player is considered uncapable of avoiding a 5,75 second aoe for half his health.
Even if you do this dungeon the clean conventional way it takes way too long (especially if you get the bomb one). You know it’s ridiculous when you walk out of that dungeon with 48 bags and spend an hour grinding through it.
Group: 2 warriors, 1 necromancer, 1 guardian and a thief.
After 2nd door open, necromancer and one warrior die on pressure plate. One warrior and guardian gather all aggro and kite all dredge to the outside bridge, thief go in stealth and use control.
The control takes about 20 seconds, one thief along with one spykit can finish it as long as thief is not interrupt.
It is also possible to change thief to anyother class as long as they do not draw aggro.
