Guild Wars 2

Hello, everyone. I was very excited with this new update today, mainly to see the changes that occurred in The Fractals of The Mists. Well, I was just now doing the daily 30 when our group took the Dredge Fractal, we completed it normally, but when we face the Elemental Boss we get frustrated because he is with a new skill that kitten our whole party. The point is that you can not dodge that skill, he just put a symbol behind you and tick agony. The skill is similar as the Ice Svanir Boss, but if you touch the symbol you get hit by agony. Its just ridiculous and discouraging the way u cannot do nothing, just waiting to die.
Ultimately I’m just showing my disappointment with this change. I believe that the update would leave the system fractals more challenging to do, not impossible like this on higher levels.

Thank you for the attention, and sorry for my bad english.

Good game for all !

just encounter that boss, last level of daily 38.
no way to dodge at least on my end. frustrated.
guess Anet want you to invest AR amulet before any deeper fotm.
at this point this makes me feel GW2 is heading towards gears oriented but not skill oriented.
personal interest in the game = —1;

Exactly man, its no way to evade. U get hit by the symbol (instantly!) and by the stalactite the drops on your head. Its ridiculous u know, u cannot even evade.

And when you get downed, you get pack-stomped by the Vet Elementals. :P
I just tried it too. Absolute rubbish. Also, it appears some people have already found new and inventive ways to skip content… I was hoping that would more or less stop.

I hadn’t done fractals in a long time. Today we got this boss on level 10. I had a hunch something was wrong. His agony was unavoidable as it hits instantaneously and our no AR group could not defeat the boss. I accidentally was roll dodging right before his agony symbols and continued into my second dodge and I still got hit. I have a feeling something is not working correctly here.

To be fair, the Agony attack from that boss was always “unavoidable”. It was just untelegraphed, no animation, you’d just be hit then suddenly agony. It had a rather small range from what I remember, as my ranger was more than able to avoid it simply by distance (or at least, the only explanation I have).

If they changed the boss to a truly un-dodge able, visible agony attack, then gg.

Sarcasmic, u are totally right! He does an unavoidable agony atack when he heals. Plus now he does this new attack that screw you even more !

yes <— level 43 same:/ well maybe we have to wait 1 month till we start fractal again… Fail!? second map ice elemental .. my question is Did they even try the bosses before they put a random skill :P

this is what pisses me off since fotm was added. Instead of talking about new rewards/skins/dungeons/bosses/trash mobs we’re talking about ******** agony. What a waste of………..

ok go try ice elemental now and tell me nuka cola how u can avoid his agony

Did this on 28 tonight… did not seem too different besides more red circles.

28 fractals with 30 AR is easy, try to do this on 30+.

i am telling u in level 40+ if u get hitted with agony u are down so u have to dodge etc etc.. in ice elemental u cant even dodge how is jade maw agony when u enter after u kill the tentacles image something like that with red circle and u wait untill u die.. i send to support and the answer is post in feedback kitteno

Just confirming that L30 Ice Ele is indeed broken now.

Yeah, this new attack the ice elemental does is a bit much.

That sounds disheartening. I am contemplating if I should bother with 30+ dailies right now, starting today.

Wish I’d known this before we started our run. Yeah, it’s hella hard. Way harder than most players can handle. You’d need a very very well organized group familiar with all their class mechanics to survive. Even then, I don’t know how they expect lv 10 no AR pugs to do this.

I tried a level 40, and even with 35 AR this is not really possible anymore. The circles have about a 0.2-0.4 second activation time which is faster than average reaction times. it IS possible to dodge it, but you have to be expecting it and your finger on the button to hit it in time. Even with that timing and assuming you dodge well, you have to not make a mistake within fractions of a second for about an 8 minute fight. – That’s not going to happen, people are going to make mistakes and as soon as one person falls, the rest of the party soon follows.

This fractal boss is broken at higher levels. =/

andulvar u got 35 ar? how can u tell us the secret:)

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andulvar u got 35 ar? how can u tell us the secret:)

My guess is he infused a triforge pendant, because that is how most of my guildies have 35 now as of today.

huh ? triforge is the expensive one?:P and u can infuse it? only this?

Slightly off-topic but yes I have the Triforge. You get an infusion slot (for resist) but it doesn’t look like you can infuse it for +10 AR.

ye only triforge can get infusion slot or all the amulets we got i got the karka amulet i have to forge it or something i havent check it :/

Yeah, this is unbelievable, no skill involved whatsoever. Worst update you guys made in a long time. The one thing I enjoyed in gw2 was fractals and now you make it impossible without 30+ AR for levels 30+ that means I have to get 250 globs (which the going price would cost 100gold ) Seriously?? If this fractal boss is working as intended, shame on you ANet.

For those who don’t know, the ice elemental boss at the end of the Dedge Fractal has an agony attack which is impossible to dodge(NO MATTER WHAT), that not only hits you across the room, but plus you will die in two ticks of agony without 30+ agony resist(which means you’ll need those 250 globs to upgrade the back piece even more).

And honestly this is extremely demotivating, I typically only have time for one fractal run a night and now you’re forcing me to go grind 100 gold over the next month to just get +5 more agony resist so I can continue on. And honestly I’ll be taking a break from gw2 until this is fixed. Making a game completely gear oriented is so wrong on so many levels.

i believe that high level fractals are for hardcores players

I got my backpiece infused on lvl 25 so i could progress to 30 without problem, your issue is that you went to 30 without preparing yourself.

@Sanel It is not a problem of preparing yourself. We had 3 people, 2 of which had 35AR, and one with 30AR. EVERYONE went down with the back to back chain Agony that is impossible to dodge. Every other fractal boss has a cue, or some sort of tell that you can read and dodge accordingly. The new Ice Elemental clearly does not. I could very easily survive any 30+ fractal boss with 0 AR, all it takes is actual SKILL to know when to dodge.

And if “preparing” yourself you mean grinding mindless dungeons for days on end, or grinding Cursed shore to get enough money to buy the 100g globs and then another 100g for the Triforce + infusion, then count me out as well as hundreds of other people who have better things to do.

so our group is currently wiping against this guy on scale 30 with everyone at 30ar except 1 guy.

you can dodge his agony, but it’s luck. there’s no tell, so if you happen to dodge at the right time you evade it, but he uses the aoe so often that eventually you run out of stamina unless you are swapping with sigils of energy

Actualy, i didnt grind anythign exept fractals, there is plenty of drops there to salvage, a lot of mats to craft golds and salvage, few golds per run if lucky and buy mats and again salvage, ectos went like crazy( i actualy got 500 ectos this way to upgrade it for cosmetic purpose also). On other note, i dont think that anyone have 35 AR yet. Also, i didnt fight Ice Ele yet with this new patch, i see a lot of people complain about it so i supose it is rlly harder now.

i got a question hmm kiba i dont know did they change the agony dmg i mean 30ar till 40 was enough now u are telling me that we cant even make 30-38 dailys?

no its not hard is just impossible u need party of mesmer / ele:P

It truly is harder, if not impossible. And yes, its possible to get 35AR already with the infused TriForce, which two of our members had, though it didn’t matter. the chain Agony made quick work of them. If you get Dredge might as well quit, 30AR wont cut it.

i want a dev to reply to this thread please and let us know what is going on i cant survive this stage at 25AR level 10 and we have multiple DC issues on this stage only….

Must agree with everyone here, got to the last level before the Maw, and it was the Ice Boss…needless to say we couldnt do anything about it and we couldnt get to the Maw and finish our daily on level 32…so no new level and no chest…awesome!

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i believe that high level fractals are for hardcores players

There’s no high level fractals anymore.

Yeah, this attack is incredibly unfair.

I don’t see how people with 0 agony resistance on level 10 are supposed to survive this unless they are a AH shout staff guardian keeping everything on cooldown from just the undodgable agony attack alone.

You have to keep in mind that most people aren’t going to be able to even get any agony resistance until they have ran path 10 a handful of times.

10 should be where they learn about agony attacks and how to dodge them. Not where they get beat senseless by an undodgable red circle.

I mean you can’t even delegate your lowest agony resistance person to lava duty as he’ll get hammered by the agony spam just as much as everyone else.

The majority of players with 0 agony resistance trying to farm tokens to progress past 10 are simply going to die to this undodgable agony attack unless they are one of those rare builds that can reach full HP every other attack.

i’d just want to say a thing.

Most of you should remember they patched wrong cliffside already (in a similar wasy so was almost impossible)….and fixed it in 4 days…

They should at least answer they are aware of the problem…

And while i m here….
Should i try lvl 28 with 25 AR or is not enough for the new “possibly bugged” elemental?

If not wich lvl u suggest for daily?

A dev response on this would be fantastic.

Guys, thank you for the feedback. I was feeling so bad yesterday cause they ruined not only the progression on higher levels (im sitting on level 55 now) but make difficult to the players who are starting to playing the Fractals. And this is sad cause since november 15 they focus so much on Fractals system to end it on this last update. I just dont see no sense to keep playing the game cause im a PvE player and the normals dungeons are not challenging for me.

I hope better days to us.

I liked about 95% of the patch, but just curious whats up with the ice ele boss as well. Dredge is already long enough and having to pull the mobs out instead of Rabo (or whatever his name is) makes it longer. That’s ok. But ice ele stomping me at level 30 with everyone at 30 AR and decently experienced is a little disheartening.

Nice change to thise boss Anet. Seems people arent allowed to finish their lvl 30 daily?

Fix that ice elemental !

Not quite sure what the problem with this boss is. It’s always had 2 agony attacks, one was single target. The other was a ground frost aoe that would knock you down when he puts his hand into the ground. The thing that sucks about the aoe is he has about 3 different attacks that have the same animation of him putting his right hand into the ground. Way I’ve dealt with it was bring a stunbreaker, get knockdowned, stand up immediately to dodge the icicle drop. I havent ran this fractal since the patch yesterday but from reading all the posts in this thread, I don’t quite follow what exactly is new compared to people only realizing now.

A group of us from our guild tried doing the lvl10 daily as we’re trying to get our rings.. we can’t get AR without doing 10 and getting a lucky drop or enough to barter for a ring. We couldn’t do this boss. We would immediately dodge out of the circles and survive that agony attack.. some of us might survive the 2nd, but none of us lasted past the 3rd. Nearly every other fight has AVOIDABLE agony. This one doesn’t. At level 10 it isn’t a matter of “go get more AR” as that’s precisely the level where we’re supposed to be earning it!

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Not quite sure what the problem with this boss is. It’s always had 2 agony attacks, one was single target. The other was a ground frost aoe that would knock you down when he puts his hand into the ground. The thing that sucks about the aoe is he has about 3 different attacks that have the same animation of him putting his right hand into the ground. Way I’ve dealt with it was bring a stunbreaker, get knockdowned, stand up immediately to dodge the icicle drop. I havent ran this fractal since the patch yesterday but from reading all the posts in this thread, I don’t quite follow what exactly is new compared to people only realizing now.

If you didnt ran it since yesterdays patch then try it….you will have some fun wiping.

Also Anet, this is a real patch for the casual player huh……

Ioflux.4369:

I havent ran this fractal since the patch yesterday but from reading all the posts in this thread, I don’t quite follow what exactly is new compared to people only realizing now.

An area of the ground gets littered with red circles, that touching for even a milisecond gives you agony…I think much like the cliffside boss’s red circles, except that those actually give you time to get out of them. These appear underneath you and immediately inflict agony which there is no way to dodge. So once you’re out of heals, you’re screwed.

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Ioflux.4369:

I havent ran this fractal since the patch yesterday but from reading all the posts in this thread, I don’t quite follow what exactly is new compared to people only realizing now.

An area of the ground gets littered with red circles, that touching for even a milisecond gives you agony…I think much like the cliffside boss’s red circles, except that those actually give you time to get out of them. These appear underneath you and immediately inflict agony which there is no way to dodge. So once you’re out of heals, you’re screwed.

Ah thank you. That sounds outright kitten lol.

I might have to quit playing fractal until Anet nerf or do something with this boss.

Lost 1 hour on fractal 30 because of this boss. Not killable.

I just did the dredge fractal on level 18 and I can’t understand most of the changes.
As has been said before, this fractal was already one of the longest and most dreaded and the one most people complained about because it was imballanced, compared to other fractals. I like that you’re no longer able to kill Rabov and his adds from the wheel, but all the other changes (including no longer being able to seperate Rabov from the trash) just drag out this fractal. I feel like these changes are pushing us back into the fractal-stone age of skipping a fractal alltogether because it takes more time than three of the other fractals combined.

Killed it yesterday on lv 10 with a pug and 5 AR. You have to spread out for the fight. Group kiting isn’t going to work as he’ll faceroll you. The agony is basically not dodgeable, but you can avoid the ice AoE. Still, it’s far harder than it used to be and just plain annoying.

I can’t imagine it at higher levels.