Guild Wars 2

Ze Dos Cavalos.6132:

Zoul.1087:

Kromica.2831:

Zoul.1087:

Kromica.2831:

4 manned up to 5 with zero problems last night in under 3hrs, and have yet to find anything really challenging. Maybe just try and be more aware?

Under 3 hours for a fractal. You could run 6 fractals in that time depending on the fractal.

Reading comprehension not so good with you? We got to tier 5 in under 3hrs 4 manning it , and have 3 and 4 manned up to tier 11 with no problems.

Maybe your reading comprehension is not that good either. Had you not had that fractal you could do others in a shorter amount of time.

It is by far the one of longest fractals. It feels like a tremendous waste of time. It can be skipped.

Its not impossible but it simply takes too long.

Dude can you read english?
Hes saying he got to lvl 5 in 3h, thats a total of 14 fractals.
And no the dredge fractal is not that long, you ppl want 5 minutes fractals or what?

Dude can you read English.

I can complete 3-6 other fractals in the time it takes to do 1 of the dredge power suit.

Or did you not read what I typed.

So it is usually skipped.

Its a tremendous waste of time. I am sure it can be done right but this is rare.

Also drop the attitude.

Halagaz.6085:

Nha it’s just the same for all the final boss/room, they are long to be done, but aren’t as hard as people think. You just need to coordinate your group so that it lure the boss under the fire, there are space without snow on the floor, then have him stick there until one of your guy activate the mechanism that throw lava on him, and lure him to the next spot, and the next until he dies. You guys just need to understand how it work, that is all.

I don’t think its a problem with simply not knowing how to do the dungeon. I think anyone who has done it knows it pretty easy for someone who downed to then get blown up. Its usually a death sentence.

Also the fact that he only takes damage when the molten metal is dropped on him for any mount of time is difficult if you are with PUGs.

Tell me do any of you actually do this with PUGs or your guild?

It takes more effort than it is worth in most cases. You can usually skip it and do 3-6 dungeons in the time spawn.

I can understand that for newcomers the dredge can be a bit problematic. But it is not by far the longest of the fractals. Also it drops ALOT of loot (bomb part). The boss isn’t that hard, just have 1 do pulling of the controls and let the others DPS/kite. You can interrupt his healing with either lava or interrupt skills. Both the dredge as the ice elemental will sit down when they start healing, so just interrupt them and continue the DPS. It takes about 2-3 minutes to kill it…

When a few mess up and die to the bombs, let one kite the boss away to the other side and ress your party. Its really not hard at all and it could use a buff like when you hit FoM 20+ there will be extra Vet mobs in the area or guarding the controls making it a bit more difficult.

Humposaurus.5764:

I can understand that for newcomers the dredge can be a bit problematic. But it is not by far the longest of the fractals. Also it drops ALOT of loot (bomb part). The boss isn’t that hard, just have 1 do pulling of the controls and let the others DPS/kite. You can interrupt his healing with either lava or interrupt skills. Both the dredge as the ice elemental will sit down when they start healing, so just interrupt them and continue the DPS. It takes about 2-3 minutes to kill it…

Yes but is punishes you completely for trying to revive anyone. Basically if someone is down. Because they aren’t a perfect player. They are dead. If you try revive them you will ensure they are dead. If you don’t get him to pull they are dead.

The problem with the bombs is that they prevent players who are down from ever getting back up.

You are down the player who uses the the bucket too.

The map basically punishes the whole team for 1 players weakness.

That is why its one of my least favorites.

Causes more players to rage too.

Zoul.1087:

Ze Dos Cavalos.6132:

Zoul.1087:

Kromica.2831:

Zoul.1087:

Kromica.2831:

4 manned up to 5 with zero problems last night in under 3hrs, and have yet to find anything really challenging. Maybe just try and be more aware?

Under 3 hours for a fractal. You could run 6 fractals in that time depending on the fractal.

Reading comprehension not so good with you? We got to tier 5 in under 3hrs 4 manning it , and have 3 and 4 manned up to tier 11 with no problems.

Maybe your reading comprehension is not that good either. Had you not had that fractal you could do others in a shorter amount of time.

It is by far the one of longest fractals. It feels like a tremendous waste of time. It can be skipped.

Its not impossible but it simply takes too long.

Dude can you read english?
Hes saying he got to lvl 5 in 3h, thats a total of 14 fractals.
And no the dredge fractal is not that long, you ppl want 5 minutes fractals or what?

Dude can you read English.

I can complete 3-6 other fractals in the time it takes to do 1 of the dredge power suit.

Or did you not read what I typed.

So it is usually skipped.

Its a tremendous waste of time. I am sure it can be done right but this is rare.

Also drop the attitude.

The entire dredge fractal takes 20 mins max and is more than worth it when you leave with 25+ miners bags full of T6 mats but you go ahead and skip it.

Zoul.1087:

I don’t think its a problem with simply not knowing how to do the dungeon. I think anyone who has done it knows it pretty easy for someone who downed to then get blown up. Its usually a death sentence.

Also the fact that he only takes damage when the molten metal is dropped on him for any mount of time is difficult if you are with PUGs.

Tell me do any of you actually do this with PUGs or your guild?

It takes more effort than it is worth in most cases. You can usually skip it and do 3-6 dungeons in the time spawn.

I have gone to level 20 using only PUGs and no problem so far, maybe the problem is you and others like you.
Its called a end game dungeon for something.
The dungeon was not made to be easy, thats why the rewards are good.
We dont have many hard things in this game, and now that we got one you guys want it to be 5 minutes runs and super easy.

4 manned it (3 guardians and me the ranger). Very easy fight…

Dodge is there for a reason.

Powersuit is very simple. At 10+ he gets a bit annoying since his agony damage comes from an attack you cannot dodge, atleast not the whole attack. I also suppose the people complaining about the powersuit also have huge issues with floor switches, cogwheels and bomb running. All simple tasks if you do it right.

Only issue I’ve had with him is when someone kites him the wrong way and dont understand the cauldrons.

You cant expect swamps, underwater caverns and svanir bashing every single fractal, sometimes you get the longer ones, like collosus and dredgies.

At level 10+ the Dredge Powersuit gets absurd, and not because of the bombs. It’s that AoE of his that hits anyone in the room. Couple that with Agony and it’s going to down anyone unlucky enough to get hit by both. Everything else he does is tolerable, but that room-wide Aoe needs to be toned down. Or at least have a smaller range on it.

Barionic.5904:

Not to toot my own horn or anything, but I wasn’t the one dying. All it takes is one person to slip, which causes another to try to rez, and it can snowball out of control.

That’s honestly how it is at higher Fractal difficulties for a lot of bosses. For example, the final Grawl boss is very punishing if anyone in your group goes down. If anyone goes to res, not only is he likely to lay down AoE on the downed person, but the person ressing will take constant fire damage from not being able to move. On top of that, it’s very hard to dodge his Agony attack while ressing because you can’t dodge while channeling the res (have to spam keys until the game decides that it wants to let you stop channeling).

What’s the solution here? Make sure no one in your group goes down. GW2 puts a lot more emphasis on personal accountability than a lot of other MMOs. If someone in your group constantly goes down, then you’ll probably need to replace him. If your entire group is failing, then you probably need to get a new group.

How can you finish 6 fractals in the time you finish 1 dredge suit/ice elemental? It takes my group like 5min to beat it tops. You just have to interupt/stun it when it tries to sit down and heal. Thats the most important thing to do next to dodging.

SneakyErvin.3056:

Dodge is there for a reason.

Powersuit is very simple. At 10+ he gets a bit annoying since his agony damage comes from an attack you cannot dodge, atleast not the whole attack. I also suppose the people complaining about the powersuit also have huge issues with floor switches, cogwheels and bomb running. All simple tasks if you do it right.

Only issue I’ve had with him is when someone kites him the wrong way and dont understand the cauldrons.

You cant expect swamps, underwater caverns and svanir bashing every single fractal, sometimes you get the longer ones, like collosus and dredgies.

You can dodge the whole attack if you have 2 dodges. I actually prefer the dredge boss over the ice elemental because it’s easier to full dodge its agony attack, but that’s probably because I fought the dredge boss 4 times and the ice elemental only once from 10-20.

I’ve done this at level 20 with 0 agony resist without ever getting downed. Once you figure out where to dodge it’s actually quite easy.

You can dodge, block, out range (the range is fairly wide however) the agony application. The casting animation is also fairly distinct from his other attacks.

Grawl shaman is even more overtuned. Way too many lava spawns with way too much health. Also the whole concept of the fight is just completely unfair for a grenade engineers. I get carpal tunnel doing that boss.

havoc.8569:

grenade engineers

This is a build, not a profession, every build isn’t well suited for every situation. As a thief I don’t use my standard weapon set on this boss either.

Ze Dos Cavalos.6132:

Zoul.1087:

I don’t think its a problem with simply not knowing how to do the dungeon. I think anyone who has done it knows it pretty easy for someone who downed to then get blown up. Its usually a death sentence.

Also the fact that he only takes damage when the molten metal is dropped on him for any mount of time is difficult if you are with PUGs.

Tell me do any of you actually do this with PUGs or your guild?

It takes more effort than it is worth in most cases. You can usually skip it and do 3-6 dungeons in the time spawn.

I have gone to level 20 using only PUGs and no problem so far, maybe the problem is you and others like you.
Its called a end game dungeon for something.
The dungeon was not made to be easy, thats why the rewards are good.
We dont have many hard things in this game, and now that we got one you guys want it to be 5 minutes runs and super easy.

“maybe the problem is you and others like you.”

This is why this dungeon should be removed from the game.

Your attitude and people like you is what is ruining the game.

My statement was simple. The dredge dungeon is harder to coordinate and takes longer than other dungeons.

I am guessing you are in fractals 8 or 12 and could always find a group. Little bit different when everyone knows what they are doing.

I am stuck on fractals 2 because I cant even find anyone to do it. End up just helping people level up to 2 with no problem in a lot of cases, only to see them go quit or have dinner or something.

Kromica.2831:

Zoul.1087:

Ze Dos Cavalos.6132:

Zoul.1087:

Kromica.2831:

Zoul.1087:

Kromica.2831:

4 manned up to 5 with zero problems last night in under 3hrs, and have yet to find anything really challenging. Maybe just try and be more aware?

Under 3 hours for a fractal. You could run 6 fractals in that time depending on the fractal.

Reading comprehension not so good with you? We got to tier 5 in under 3hrs 4 manning it , and have 3 and 4 manned up to tier 11 with no problems.

Maybe your reading comprehension is not that good either. Had you not had that fractal you could do others in a shorter amount of time.

It is by far the one of longest fractals. It feels like a tremendous waste of time. It can be skipped.

Its not impossible but it simply takes too long.

Dude can you read english?
Hes saying he got to lvl 5 in 3h, thats a total of 14 fractals.
And no the dredge fractal is not that long, you ppl want 5 minutes fractals or what?

Dude can you read English.

I can complete 3-6 other fractals in the time it takes to do 1 of the dredge power suit.

Or did you not read what I typed.

So it is usually skipped.

Its a tremendous waste of time. I am sure it can be done right but this is rare.

Also drop the attitude.

The entire dredge fractal takes 20 mins max and is more than worth it when you leave with 25+ miners bags full of T6 mats but you go ahead and skip it.

Thank you. I will skip it. Its not worth my time in a lot of cases. I am sure you love it and your group can do it in 20 minutes max. but OP has a point and so do I. I guess a lot of people like to go ad hominem rather than address that point. If I wanted t6 mats I would also go to cursed shore by the way. 20 minutes there will get you a lot more mats.

Good thing Anet doesnt listen to whiners that complain at the first challenge they got.

Tulisin.6945:

havoc.8569:

grenade engineers

This is a build, not a profession, every build isn’t well suited for every situation. As a thief I don’t use my standard weapon set on this boss either.

Yeah the only build that actually does damage. It’s either grenade for damage, elixirs for support, or some kitten build because Anet won’t fix half the classes in the game.

I’m not saying I’m the only one affected. I’m saying its stupid to force people to use some subpar setup on a boss that’s already overtuned compared to other bosses.

Ze Dos Cavalos.6132:

Its called a end game dungeon for something.
The dungeon was not made to be easy, thats why the rewards are good.
We dont have many hard things in this game, and now that we got one you guys want it to be 5 minutes runs and super easy.

I got to 17 with pug and helped others to get to 17.

If you think dredge mining suit is “hard” than its a pity for you. It isn’t “hard” it is kite till dead. All they want is condition damage to be ON PAR with regular damage. Or else why would you even want condition vs a warrior? You might as well stick them on lava duty….

Here are a few tips against the powersuit boss:

- I think the most important tip here is try not to melee him, unless you can take a beating; he can 2 shot people in melee.

- Stay ranged and burn him away. Use movement boons to kite.

- Use reflect on bombs: mesmers and guardians have such skills, i am not sure of other classes. Not only do you save yourself potential deaths, but you also do a lot of damage to the boss. Otherwise just dodge them, they are easy to dodge and they can also be blocked.

- Have someone use snare or stun while the boss is on the brown patch to give you more time and better chance of landing the lava.

- If guy on ramp/lava duty gets agro, let him jump down and someone else run up and use lava.

- Rez people asap while downed and before they die. If it is dangerous, let whoever has agro drag the boss away to give you time/space to rez.

We did this boss earlier today, my whole group was dead except me (guardian). I was using scepter/focus just for this guy (range/snare/block). I manage to snare/kite him around, and block most everything and get my group up to finish him.

It’s not hard. Just tell people beforehand that you will only rez them twice. Any more than that they stay dead. The same applies to you. You absolutely cannot waste time rezzing people during this fight.

I ended up 2 manning this earlier today because everyone is incompetent and cannot dodge bombs.

Ze Dos Cavalos.6132:

Good thing Anet doesnt listen to whiners that complain at the first challenge they got.

You are right. Its so well balanced too. Mesmer slaughters the boss and prevents damage. Other classes are pretty much useless. (such as rangers with bad builds, and necros)

So if you have a Mesmer in your party you auto win.

The dredge power suit is not hard, it is just tedious.

In an already long fractal, you have one of the most time consuming bosses, where if you mess up just once, he can potentially heal to full. The fight feels like it takes an hour especially if you have professions with a lack of reliable ranged dazes or players who have built heavy condition damage (dots don’t do more damage in this fight)

In lower difficulty levels, you risk having people who cannot kite, cannot dodge the bombs for whatever reason (lag, incompetence, whatever), or rangers that won’t set their pet to passive.

And if you do it in a higher difficulty level with skilled people who CAN dodge the bombs consistently, you then have to deal with the agony and ground pounds that hit like a truck.

All in all, the dredge power suit is another boss in the line of Anet’s : “Okay, you’ve learned the mechanics, you’ve got the lava spill timed correctly, you have people consistently interrupting the heals, you know how to dodge the bombs correctly, everything’s going great and nobody is dying… now repeat for 30 minutes”

tldr; I prefer the ice elemental

You know…you don’t have to interrupt the heal if you do the lava buckets correctly. He’ll stun himself every time he tries to heal while superheated.

Lava bucket timing is also easysauce if you have even one immobilize in the group a couple of seconds long.

Hufflepuffer.4201:

if you mess up just once, he can potentially heal to full.

I wouldn’t really call missing a lava bucket and then failing to stun/poison messing up “just once”. That is like saying if you mess up “just once” he can kill the entire group. It is a series of failures that cause him to heal to full.

It’s not hard. Just tell people beforehand that you will only rez them twice. Any more than that they stay dead. The same applies to you. You absolutely cannot waste time rezzing people during this fight.

I ended up 2 manning this earlier today because everyone is incompetent and cannot dodge bombs.

I don’t know about the time limit, but I do believe in the “Lapping” strategy here. Don’t try to rez anyone immediately, just ignore them (unless they’re just downed and you can drop a Refuge on them to heal uninterrupted). Instead, just go about your business, get the enemy halfway around the loop, and then the least vital member (ie the least agroy, least damaging, and not the bucket keeper) can run off ot heal him up.

It’s better to deal a bit less damage in a given cycle to have full party damage in the next, but it’s more important to keep him constantly debuffed than to have everyone up asap.

The Dredge Powersuit is actually a well designed boss in terms of GW2 bosses. Here are some tips that might help:

• The person tipping the lava bucket should try to not attack. As long as you aren’t on the boss’ aggro table, he won’t ever target you. You also move quicker while out of combat.
• Make sure someone has a short cooldown Immobilize for the boss when it is in position. It helps a lot.
• Kiting in a circle works better than back and forth. You never have to run through him.
• Everyone should pretend as if the boss is aggro’ed on to them. This makes positioning him much easier.
• To stop the heal, the easiest way is to use Fear. Necromancers have the easiest (only?) access to this.
• When dealing with his Agony attack, every profession should be able to completely avoid it reliably. The way it works is that the boss sends out three pulses of damage, each that can apply Agony. You can tell when it’s coming because it gains Stability right as it’s being cast. The ability is on a 45s cooldown.
  Try to find the right abilities that can deal with it. Guardians can use Shield of Wrath, Warrior can use Shield Stance, Engineers use Tool Kit: Gear Shield, Thieves can use Signet of Agility to give themselves four dodges in a row, Elementalists can cycle between Mist Form and Arcane Shield. I’m not sure about Rangers, Necromancers, and Mesmers.

You can easily avoid his agony attack by dodging twice in a row. No special invulnerability skills required.

Nokaru.7831:

The Dredge Powersuit is actually a well designed boss in terms of GW2 bosses. Here are some tips that might help:

• The person tipping the lava bucket should try to not attack. As long as you aren’t on the boss’ aggro table, he won’t ever target you. You also move quicker while out of combat.
• Make sure someone has a short cooldown Immobilize for the boss when it is in position. It helps a lot.
• Kiting in a circle works better than back and forth. You never have to run through him.
• Everyone should pretend as if the boss is aggro’ed on to them. This makes positioning him much easier.
• To stop the heal, the easiest way is to use Fear. Necromancers have the easiest (only?) access to this.
• When dealing with his Agony attack, every profession should be able to completely avoid it reliably. The way it works is that the boss sends out three pulses of damage, each that can apply Agony. You can tell when it’s coming because it gains Stability right as it’s being cast. The ability is on a 45s cooldown.
  Try to find the right abilities that can deal with it. Guardians can use Shield of Wrath, Warrior can use Shield Stance, Engineers use Tool Kit: Gear Shield, Thieves can use Signet of Agility to give themselves four dodges in a row, Elementalists can cycle between Mist Form and Arcane Shield. I’m not sure about Rangers, Necromancers, and Mesmers.

or ignore everything above and bring/play mesmer.

Just play mesmer and use feedback a lot. The end.

I don’t think the problem is difficulty or not doing the right thing. It sounds like everyone gets the basic premise of this dungeon. The problem is you would need to play with your guild or experienced players (or just use mesmer) and that makes it difficult and or time consuming.

You could do it with 2 players but it still takes forever. 1 mesmer could probably do it in 5 minutes.

Let me point out what everyone is ignoring

-condition damage is useless on this boss.
-its poorly class balanced as some classes get destroyed and others (mesmer) completely ruin this boss
-why make him take so long in the first place? and have so much health? It means ideally your party will be all DPS and some tanks. Necro is rendered totally useless. (fear causes him to run).

havoc.8569:

unfair for a grenade engineers.

I’m a nade specced engineer and i’ve gotten so far to Lvl 13 and have had to fight that boss on at least 6 occassions. Yes its very difficult. What I do though is:

(1) Equip Elixir gun as a secondary kit, maybe Supply Drops or a Golem as the elite skill (SD medkits can give you slightly more survivability if your heals are all on cooldown)

(2) Spam nades if the team is on good health and you dont have much else to do, the boss is healing or on any lava elementals that appear (its important to kill them quickly)

(3) If anyone looks badly hurt or on fire or if you’re hurt, switch to Elixir gun and drop an AoE heal near their location so they can quickly regenerate health.

In essence the Elixir gun gives you a more supporting role in the fight and increased survivability (since you can AoE heal yourself and teammates).

If anyone gets KO’d, don’t drop everything to revive, wait till the situation is somewhat safe like not taking so much aggro.

I generally use this overall strategy on any boss that is strong against condition damage. Elixir gun AoE heal can save the lives of any primary damage dealers and prevent your team from having to attempt any risky revives.

There is nothing unbalanced about this boss fight at all.

He doe not have a 1 hit KO attack, im an elementalist and have never had that happen to me.
Ill agree his attacks are strong, BUT thats because they are so easy to see and DODGE! making him extremely balanced in that sense.

your inability to kill this boss easily is your lack of teamwork from the sounds of it. If you stay together as a group and kite him around the room, this is easy.

Silyth.7150:

He doe not have a 1 hit KO attack, im an elementalist and have never had that happen to me.

The bomb is 1 hit KO at 15k damage on low toughness classes. The dual attack he does also 1 hit KO and weirdly hits in the back even though the animation for that attack shouldn’t.

stof.9341:

Silyth.7150:

He doe not have a 1 hit KO attack, im an elementalist and have never had that happen to me.

The bomb is 1 hit KO at 15k damage on low toughness classes. The dual attack he does also 1 hit KO and weirdly hits in the back even though the animation for that attack shouldn’t.

lol that your even getting hit by that, and that your standing behind him instead of kiting him with the rest of your party to the next lava stop.

Silyth.7150:

lol that your even getting hit by that, and that your standing behind him instead of kiting him with the rest of your party to the next lava stop.

Whatever you say about that doesn’t make those attacks any less 1 hit KO.

Avoiding the bombs can be hard when you dumped all your endurance into avoiding the agony attack. Hitting the boss in the back worked perfectly for me and my backstab spam build in low level fractals, never pulling aggro somehow (all that stealth spam must have helped) and so never preventing the boss from reaching the next spot.

And then, it starts to 1 hit KO you with little cues. One reason why this boss is boring is that I’d rather be doing 85k backstabs every 4s on the boss (along with a full 1 combo cycle and one C&D) than meager 10k shortbow attacks from the front using only skill 1 while endlessly backpedaling.

He isn’t bad on D1…now on D2 and up he gets harder.

When I fought him on D1, he pretty much just stayed at the bottom, and the group lured him between two magma dispensers without an issue.

But on D2…he CONSTANTLY aggroed the person on the top level, and we would have to quickly switch the top level person so that he wouldn’t walk all the way up top and wreak havoc up there.

I don’t think he should change…he is hard, it should be hard.

The jellyfish on the other hand…he sucks and needs to change lol.

I’ve fought him twice on lvl 1, both 4-manning it. My group was all in the same room, but featured a level 13 warrior on both occasions.

The first time we were having difficulty getting the bucket sequence down. We were doing a 4-bucket cycle and the kiters kept getting split, which led to dodging bombs into more bombs, then getting killed. The ranger pet wouldn’t stay in the pet carrier and kept interfering with the kiting. We gave up after a while.

The second group replaced one of the weaker (skill-wise) players with a better one. Instead of being 2 guardians, a warrior, and a ranger, we became 2 warriors, a guardian, and a ranger. We put two people on bucket duty (ranger + warrior) and two on kiting. We had low damage so it took a while, but we won without issue. A couple people downed, but I don’t think anyone died after we adopted the 2-bucketeer strategy. Even with the very low damage on him, he was faster than the miniboss champion.

All told, the fractal is longer than others, but thats a half-empty glass. Some others are faster. The swamp is 2 minutes of running followed by an 8-minute boss fight, if you get it right—some groups cannot. The dredge fractal does nothing to test your ability to handle jump puzzles, but that doesn’t make it bad—they are each meant to be distinct, and that means some are longer than others.

You don’t need 2 guys on bucket duty if you know who is least likely to aggro the boss. Generally it works this way, the boss tends to aggro more often on certain people, so this is what you do:

(1) If you are on bucket duty, its probably because you’re the type who is unlikely to draw aggro. If you often draw his aggro even when not attacking, then you have no business running buckets — it’ll only prolong the fight if you try to do bucket duty while getting chased up and down the ramps.

(2) Drop heals on your teammates if you’re on bucket duty. It helps when he uses his ground pound (or on Lvl 10+, the added agony damage)

(3) Do not attack him while running buckets.

(4) If he chases after you then immediately jump down and do kiting/DPS duty until the aggro is off of you. It helps if your teammates realize this and someone temporarily fills your spot on bucket duty.

(5) Best place to drop AoE healz is near the brown patches where you are trying to kite him to.

drkn.3429:

Are you running a glass cannon build or, Six forbid, a magic find gear?
I’m not asking to be rude, but an elementalist can withstand some hits there, it’s certainly not a one-shot one-kill encounter for her, and she’s the profession with lowest hp/armor pools.

Im a elementalist and i find this ofensive !!
lol i dont.

Oh cmon bro i did a few fractals with my healing elementalist and even this boss was not that hard. 2 guys on our party dced and we was able to finish it. Its all about how your team play or how bad they are.

ATMAvatar.5749:

drkn.3429:

Are you running a glass cannon build or, Six forbid, a magic find gear?
I’m not asking to be rude, but an elementalist can withstand some hits there, it’s certainly not a one-shot one-kill encounter for her, and she’s the profession with lowest hp/armor pools.

That’s only true if the ele heavily invests in earth and/or water for the increased survivability. A base HP ele would be one-shot by bombs, as it leaves you with just under 11k.

That said, the bombs have quite a long time between red ring and detonation, so there isn’t much reason to get hit by one.

30 in water here, 10 in earth, tanky gear – 18k hp and 2850 armor, with not the shabbiest ~2900 attack.

Still, the bombs are very easy to dodge – you really have to try to die there, at least up until FotM 10.

stof.9341:

Silyth.7150:

lol that your even getting hit by that, and that your standing behind him instead of kiting him with the rest of your party to the next lava stop.

Whatever you say about that doesn’t make those attacks any less 1 hit KO.

Avoiding the bombs can be hard when you dumped all your endurance into avoiding the agony attack. Hitting the boss in the back worked perfectly for me and my backstab spam build in low level fractals, never pulling aggro somehow (all that stealth spam must have helped) and so never preventing the boss from reaching the next spot.

And then, it starts to 1 hit KO you with little cues. One reason why this boss is boring is that I’d rather be doing 85k backstabs every 4s on the boss (along with a full 1 combo cycle and one C&D) than meager 10k shortbow attacks from the front using only skill 1 while endlessly backpedaling.

so what you’ve just said is “i choose to make this boss fight harder than it is, and then im going to come cry about it on the forums, when i know that i can kite him and survive quite easily.”

you choose to ignore common sense and strategy, please dont complain.

You don’t even need to dodge roll bombs >.> you can easily run out of the aoe circle.

Silyth.7150:

so what you’ve just said is “i choose to make this boss fight harder than it is, and then im going to come cry about it on the forums, when i know that i can kite him and survive quite easily.”

you choose to ignore common sense and strategy, please dont complain.

No, what I’m saying is replying to someone “this boss has no 1 hit KO” with “yes it has and no the fact you can dodge them or never get into melee to ignore them doesn’t make them disapear”

What I’m saying is that I’m sick of switching to the shortbow for all the fractals boss past level 10 because it’s far far far easier to avoid the boss attacks when you are at range than at melee. Because some attacks are plain impossible to avoid in melee.

Here’s an analogy. What if every boss in the game was very very hard for anyone, unless you equiped a small pistol bundle available at each boss arena fight. This pistol will lock all your skills, make you invulnerable but you’d kill the boss very slowly.

This is how I feel in far too many fights. The Dedge Powersuit, I’m not stupid. I fight it ranged. I stand my ground that it makes the fight boring and easy at the same time. The volcano boss? First form and second it’s the same. Ranged or die.

Boss fights where you HAVE to resort to a ranged weapon in part or in full should be a plain exception, not nearly the rule as it stands.

Yes, that boss is ridiculously imbalanced, heard people struggling with him for over 3 hours XD The nonexistence of aggro mechanic makes him pain in neck. The Ice Elemental equivalent on other hand is a joke lol

that boss can be painful, but as long as your group go ranger and kite it’s not that bad. put some non squishy player on the switch someone who can take a bomb in the face whiteout being killed

@stof, well mate you are 100% right, but we all know that melee friendly bosses are just a dream..i had to respec my warrior to GS/Rifle while i would pretty much prefer to run dual axe, GS. it sucks but what can we do?

Shilian.5873:

well mate you are 100% right, but we all know that melee friendly bosses are just a dream..i had to respec my warrior to GS/Rifle while i would pretty much prefer to run dual axe, GS. it sucks but what can we do?

Complain. What else?

Well, there is the tree boss in swamps that is kind of melee friendly I found. It seems in melee you don’t get hit much with the poison attack.

God, as a necro, I’m so offended by this thread. I’m really tired of reading all this “necros are useless” in this thread.
Necro has two fear skills, which he can use everytime Powersuit is healing. And people can count on it. (900 range, 240 aoe with specific trait). Additionally I can keep him aggroed in a position, if nobody has skill to do this job (using ds, I can be close to him for few second). Of course I would rather use my sylvari immobilize skill, but I don’t have to. Oh, and aoe Signet of Undeath, instantly reviving even 3 people at once from a distance. And a lich form, which can make about 20k per hit with high power, precision and crit damage (not as good as warrior, but I will get to that).

Another thing is having thief jumping in 1 second to device. Again, with right group it can make the fight really simple.

Bad thing is that warrior with mesmer’s quickness can make 80k per hit for 10 seconds. That makes them being too usefull. Of course that’s just my opinion and lots of people will shout at me for saying this. But this is not the problem with boss design, rather problem with class being unbalanced.

Necro has two fear skills, which he can use everytime Powersuit is healing. And people can count on it

Which make him run away…

do you realize how this dungeon works?

Zoul.1087:

Necro has two fear skills, which he can use everytime Powersuit is healing. And people can count on it

Which make him run away…

do you realize how this dungeon works?

the fear doesnt last long enough to make him move that far in the wrong direction.

Also, as the suit can only heal if he isnt superheated, the necro can just position himself behind the suit anyway, as rushing to the next bucket isnt a giant concern anymore, so much as preventing the heal.

Zenyatoo.4059:

Zoul.1087:

Necro has two fear skills, which he can use everytime Powersuit is healing. And people can count on it

Which make him run away…

do you realize how this dungeon works?

the fear doesnt last long enough to make him move that far in the wrong direction.

Also, as the suit can only heal if he isnt superheated, the necro can just position himself behind the suit anyway, as rushing to the next bucket isnt a giant concern anymore, so much as preventing the heal.

Bring a mesmer instead.

The end.