Guild Wars 2

Hi, I am one path away from getting my dungeon master achievement, and it is Arah P4. What should I expect with this path as I have heard from some people that it is the hardest path of Arah?

The bosses are easy. Grenth and Dwayna can be confusing at first but they are not hard. Watch some youtube first or bring someone experienced.

And yes, you need tons of dps.

thank you both for the answers, very helpful

It’s the longest dungeon as nikaido said, and it is probably the hardest. Why is it so hard? Because you need coordination. A party of experienced players who can communicate efficiently can finish it in 2 hours, maybe less than that.

If you are pugging, good luck. A lot of people run it without knowing how to deal with some bosses, especially Lupicus and Dwayna, and that’s why you see so many people crying.
If your party can get on a voice chat, it’ll make things easier

HELLruler.4820:

It’s the longest dungeon as nikaido said, and it is probably the hardest. Why is it so hard? Because you need coordination. A party of experienced players who can communicate efficiently can finish it in 2 hours, maybe less than that.

If you are pugging, good luck. A lot of people run it without knowing how to deal with some bosses, especially Lupicus and Dwayna, and that’s why you see so many people crying.
If your party can get on a voice chat, it’ll make things easier

Not entirely, you just need 2 people that are good at running sparks.. everyone else can more or less stand on Dwayna and hit her. Knowing where to tank her helps. So it is very hard to do if no-one has done it before. Fairly easy if 2 or 3 people know that encounter.

Simin is in fact super simple. You just need people who hit hard, and can pull spark quick. Many may struggle the first time but after you done it and look back, the fight is nothing when you compare it to Lupicus.

Unless Simin bugs out. Then that fight can become unbearably long.

When you run the sparks fast enough, but still only have 4-5 seconds to DPS her. It becomes almost intolerable.

It’s not hard really, just don’t go with players who have never done that path- It is very much so the longest path (but my favorite) & with experienced players who only know P3 of Arah or just new players to arah altogether; it can be an even longer ride than needs to be.

Chasind.3128:

It’s not hard really, just don’t go with players who have never done that path- It is very much so the longest path (but my favorite) & with experienced players who only know P3 of Arah or just new players to arah altogether; it can be an even longer ride than needs to be.

Did it today with a group of Pugs. OK we had done CoF path 2 together, got on well then did CoF P3 no problems. One of them went “want to try Arah Path 4”… OK. Why not. One of the team left and we got a Necro that answered our add. In the team I was the only guy that had done it before. We managed her first attempt.

It is really all down to communication and having a correct plan now. I don’t think our DPS was stupidly good. And it wasn’t as if every spark run was spot on, there were a few times they had to run off to pick up a spark that had went rogue.

STEP 1) Choose 2 people to run sparks. We gave this job to the 2 Guards, more likely to grab aggro, lower DPS.
STEP 2) Explain that 1 has to go North circling the room and grab the Sparks and one has to go South and grab the sparks that end, and assign roles.
STEP 3) Pile Tears on Right side of room. We made a nice big stash.
STEP 4) Explain that they need to throw a Tear if someone gets paralysed.
STEP 5) Drag Simmin to side of room.

Then it is just DPS, Drag Sparks, DPS, Drag Sparks.

I feel one issue is the length of the Dungeon up to this point. If it was an earlier fight I think people may not have as much issue with it. But by this point people are tired, and a bit of failure can really demoralise people.

Ratty.5176:

STEP 1) Choose 2 people to run sparks. We gave this job to the 2 Guards, more likely to grab aggro, lower DPS.

Any specific reason why guardian is more likely to grab aggro of sparks?

haviz.1340:

Ratty.5176:

STEP 1) Choose 2 people to run sparks. We gave this job to the 2 Guards, more likely to grab aggro, lower DPS.

Any specific reason why guardian is more likely to grab aggro of sparks?

I believe most mobs consider 4 things when they decide their target

*High Toughness
*Proximity
*Low Vitality
*High DPS being used against them

Now as you can’t cause damage to the enemy that last one doesn’t matter. But Guardians have high base Toughness and low base Vitality.

Order is more like:
1. Proximity
2. Toughness
3. DPS
4. Vitality

But yeah, as Ratty wrote, Guardian gets aggro and more importantly KEEPS aggro better.

I see people posting things like “Simin is easy now” all the time, but keep in mind: with players new to this dungeon or simply bad players or even PTV geared players this encounter can be like trying to roll a rock up a hill.

Last week I had a grp where 2 had condition build, 2 PTV gear and the only one doing dmg was me as a ranger with zerker build and gear.

So to summarize this whole rambling: arah p4 is not a dungeon you can just walk inside and muddle your way through. While this might work in p3, p4 you have to do a gear check at the beginning and make sure everybody understands tactics.
Not everybody has to have zerker gear, but I can tell you from experience, that 2x PTV + 2x condition build with mediocre players in addition → simin will simply not die.

Yasi.9065:

I see people posting things like “Simin is easy now” all the time, but keep in mind: with players new to this dungeon or simply bad players or even PTV geared players this encounter can be like trying to roll a rock up a hill.

Last week I had a grp where 2 had condition build, 2 PTV gear and the only one doing dmg was me as a ranger with zerker build and gear.

So to summarize this whole rambling: arah p4 is not a dungeon you can just walk inside and muddle your way through. While this might work in p3, p4 you have to do a gear check at the beginning and make sure everybody understands tactics.
Not everybody has to have zerker gear, but I can tell you from experience, that 2x PTV + 2x condition build with mediocre players in addition -> simin will simply not die.

I have to agree.. there is definitely a level you have to meet DPS wise, it’s not stupidly high, but the higher DPS you have the more leeway you have elsewhere eg, speed to clear petrify, how quickly you get the sparks in.

In other words go in knowing you need DPS. Have things like Powerful Potions of Undead Slaying and DPS food at the least. And make sure your Highest DPS is on Simin at all times.

Thank you all who posted, it really helped me out. I finished the path an hour ago, we had for our party composition 2 guardians, 2 zerk warriors and a necromancer (he was the only one who could open as I did story on a different alt)