Guild Wars 2

As a leveling character no one will allow you into the explorable dungeons because you’re not 80. Its so difficult to find a group, its pointless to try and stand around looking.

Is there any way you can please look at reworking the dungeons to be more friendly for the explorable levels you Actually have posted.

Thanks

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/dungeons/Dungeon-Mentors-Noob/first

While you and many others wait for the work to be done, Come see us and talk to a mentor!
You dont even need to join, feel fee to use our mentor list like a commmunity notice board.

Sarah

Hi! Please try to create your own groups without req’s. They should fill up rather quickly depending on time zone. its 253am est right now. not really rush hour.
What really needs rework is that they should post a message saying to make your own group.

http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Looking_For_Group

You can also just stay in touch with the forums, there are always people with the same problem. Just get together, do the dungeins together or if you cant connect with those guys, go with [Noob]. Its not like doing dungeons is impossible now ..

Forgot about that. People also plan groups in here. see the https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/dungeons/Weekend-Arah-Tour-NA-Sept-20-21 esque threads

We need a sticky for a more casual/PHIW/RP version of [Noob]. Dramen’s [ARES] thread is close, but ARES is becoming less of a dungeon-focused guild and can only serve NA.

Before this gets twisted and flamed, I’m not saying Noob isn’t friendly — just that there are a lot of players that don’t want to run metabuilds with speedclear techniques.

Anyone know of a casual (preferably cross-server) dungeon oriented guilds out there want to step up and take this on?

I know it sounds elitist, but if people don’t want to run a proper build/ strat in a dungeon, there’s no point in teaching them anything since they aren’t focused on doing things properly anyway. People playing bearbow or healing guard don’t want to complete the dungeon fast and have their reward without wiping, they wish the game is toned down to match their criterias. You can’t teach to people unwilling to listen, and non-meta players ( at least, players not taking supportive traits and bunkering into ah, because no one minds a ptv player if he struggles surviving) are unwilling to learn.

But the content is still doable for them. If the entire guild is laid back and the members enjoy spending an hour in AC because the group is having fun with their “unique” builds and playstyles, then let them have fun with the content at their own pace and play how they want.

Dictating that they aren’t having fun “properly” is the same flawed argument they make against us. It’s a game, not everybody is here to be the “best”. Our fun != their fun.

And it would keep them off the LFG >.> Well, some of them, anyway.

Yeah, let them have fun by all means, but don’t waste your time putting efforts into teaching them. Basically, leave them alone while they are busy harassing my lfg.

dlonie.6547:

But the content is still doable for them. If the entire guild is laid back and the members enjoy spending an hour in AC because the group is having fun with their “unique” builds and playstyles, then let them have fun with the content at their own pace and play how they want.

Dictating that they aren’t having fun “properly” is the same flawed argument they make against us. It’s a game, not everybody is here to be the “best”. Our fun != their fun.

And it would keep them off the LFG >.> Well, some of them, anyway.

I think dlonie makes an excellent point here. Those arguments work both ways and just running a different build than the current meta doesn’t mean they are unwilling to learn.
You can still learn the encounter mechanics. Playing on a full healguard bunker hybrid or bearbow will change how punishing a mistake is and might cut down on the “aha!” moments of the learning process, but not the learning about the encounter in itself.
I prefer those “what the hell”-moments for my learning but not everyone enjoys that.

And i’ve seen quite a few cases of people moving away from the safety net those build and gear options provide once they feel comfortable with the encounter towards a more aggressive/offensive playstyle. The downside is, that they then have to relearn some of what they know, but that won’t stop someone willing to learn.

oxtred.7658:

I. You can’t teach to people unwilling to listen, and non-meta players ( at least, players not taking supportive traits and bunkering into ah, because no one minds a ptv player if he struggles surviving) are unwilling to learn.

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There’s 2 types of pvt players, there’s people not comfortable with the content and not experienced enough to make a clear build choices, and those should contact [noob], and there’s the white knights spamming forums about how nomad should deal the same damage as a berserker spec because they are rping a 13th century knight and can’t play berserker; I was referring to the 2nd. I’ve obviously no problems with non meta players willing to learn, I myself play with every type of specs when i’m outside of guild runs, but unfortunately there’s a lot of people out there hating the meta and wanting to be special, can’t do anything for those.

There’s nothing wrong with not playing meta and not wanting to – the actual problem lies in people on either side trying to impose their view on others in regards to ‘moral’ grounds. You get PVT heroes making rude remarks to berserker users and you have people who use the aforementioned gear making remarks about the non-meta players. Some people just flat out don’t want to run meta, and the people who drone the meta need to get over that.

maha.7902:

There’s nothing wrong with not playing meta and not wanting to – the actual problem lies in people on either side trying to impose their view on others in regards to ‘moral’ grounds. You get PVT heroes making rude remarks to berserker users and you have people who use the aforementioned gear making remarks about the non-meta players. Some people just flat out don’t want to run meta, and the people who drone the meta need to get over that.

Yeah they really need to play in separate sand boxes, and leave each other alone. If only people could read and use the LFG tool properly but that’s asking a lot, I know.

Eldervakten.9147:

As a leveling character no one will allow you into the explorable dungeons because you’re not 80. Its so difficult to find a group, its pointless to try and stand around looking.

Is there any way you can please look at reworking the dungeons to be more friendly for the explorable levels you Actually have posted.

Thanks

People talk about GW2 dungeons as if they are easy because experienced players can speed run them in 10 minutes. A group of new players, without tactics, will find the dungeons particularly hard and will probably give up after a couple of hours. The difference in capability is staggering (and that’s good for PvP). This means however that speed runners want experienced players in their groups and they have no patience to spend more than 30 minutes in a dungeon that usually takes them 10 minutes. Can you really blame them?

So where does that leave you? Most dungeon runs are now speed running. Finding a good, capable, on level, not speed running group is very difficult unless you go with a guild. The best way for you to get into dungeons will be to run the story dungeons until you are level 80 then revisit the explorable dungeons with rare+ quality gear and a full build of traits and skills. Even then, avoid the speed running groups until you are experienced yourself.

In my point of view (the POV of an elitist), its not elitists or non elitists getting rude because of different playstyles which cause those problems.
The problem is more like people are not able to read or just do not care alot about what other people write in their LFGs. When people join my group in nomads gear when i specifically asked for forserker gear, they either did not read/understand my LFG or refuse to fulfill my requirements. Those people then start to wonder why i kick them and and then come to the forums to create a post about how bad elitists are.
Simple!

dlonie.6547:

We need a sticky for a more casual/PHIW/RP version of [Noob]. Dramen’s [ARES] thread is close, but ARES is becoming less of a dungeon-focused guild and can only serve NA.

Before this gets twisted and flamed, I’m not saying Noob isn’t friendly — just that there are a lot of players that don’t want to run metabuilds with speedclear techniques.

Anyone know of a casual (preferably cross-server) dungeon oriented guilds out there want to step up and take this on?

:0 is this your opinion of noob?

I always believed it was more like a list and/or a comuninty notice board as you will. This huge wooden board full will all these papers attched to it saying
" teaching dungeons x,z,k "

Well this is a romatic look at, this was the intent of it. A easy-to-find list of people to go to for help. I can know there are a few people on the list that dont teach " meta " I guess they are low in numbers or shy like me.

Sarah

I never asked people to run meta when I taught. If they asked for a build, sure i’d give it to them but I didn’t make it a requirement.

I only taught a few people how to run Arah that contacted me through the Noob guild. All 3 of them were more than happy to not only buy nourishments, weapons, and runes/sigils, but they were already in berserker to begin with and were on warriors.

I guess I never was in the position to try to give personal lessons to people in PHIW builds but I would quite frankly refuse to teach people that aren’t willing to properly equip themselves. I’d probably just tell them to PM me if they ever feel like learning when they gear themselves at least similarly to what I expect.

And there we are with the condescension again.

Apparently it’s too hard to say “[give personal lessons to people] using their own builds/using suboptimal builds” – instead we have to throw the pejorative abbreviation.

This is precisely why there is so much bad blood on both sides, people taking cheap shots at other peoples’ builds/gear/playstyle.

How many tears streamed down your face as you typed that?

You’re probably trolling but in case you’re being sincere… I suggest you lean back in your chair, maybe stare out the window nearby (if there is one) for a few minutes and think about why it is that this particular acronym upsets you so much.

I have to agree with Purple. Thats life and you cant ignore that.
If you dont bring certain requirements to work / school, you will also not be there for long and neither wont you do stuff on the best ways possible..
If you dont want to do your job fast thats okay, but your boss /teacher might probably have a different point of view! But well, thats only „some„ people.

Sarah, I’ve not really dealt with Noob directly, so I may be wrong about them. To clarify, I think it’s a wonderful guild from what I’ve seen, and they perform an awesome and needed service to the dungeon community.

I just get the impression that most of the members and mentors wouldn’t be interested in spending a couple hours in AC with a level 35 party consisting of a p/p thief, gs mesmer, bearbow, and AH guard :P

What I was proposing was one of the folks who come here 3x/week to complain about zerkers, like the OP here, take it upon themselves to start a guild for folks who want to run dungeons in PHIW* builds at a casual pace. Have them make an announcement, let it get stickied, and grow their community — instead of just complaining that no one else has done so yet.

That, and I wish they’d just realize already that they can advertise their own LFG with “all welcome, lowbies allowed, inexp casual run” or something and just go have fun.

*I don’t use PHIW pejoratively. I take its literal meaning: Folks who want to play their builds as the characters they’ve developed. I honestly like those people, unless they start demonizing everyone who plays zerker….

dlonie.6547:

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:) Its a fine line isn’t? this game with the two side of the coin as you will.. I do enjoy this talk though, Ill look out for it now. I am aware of it and will see what I can do, although it will/would be more on the fractal side of things =]

I know we used to do a lot of these sorts of casual run in ARES. Still do, though not as often since dungeons were revealed to be a dead-end in the great kittenstorm of ’14. Even before that, a lot of the active dungeoneers had left for other games…I imagine most dungeon guilds have been seeing this problem in the last year or so.

The core members of the guild usually ran meta builds and would do speedclear-ish runs when it was just us, but if a newbie came along and wanted to fight the Spider Queen in the open (prepatch) with their sword+wh/rifle warrior, we’d say “Sure!”. Hell, these guys taught me to run dungeons, and when I joined I was an AH guard that would only pop my virtues as a burst heal xD In time I “got gudder,” saw the light, and started using meta, as did most of our mentees. But it was always a lot of fun for us to do these tired old fights in a different way with some sub-optimal party members — it brought back some challenge.

We’d usually have the same group of active new players night after night, so we’d show them different things. Their first time through, we’d do the fights “as intended”, for lack of a better term. No stacking, no cheesing, no FGS, etc etc etc to give them a taste of what the dungeons were like before we figured out how to trivialize every encounter. After that, we’d start showing them the tricks so they’d know what to do if they pugged. It was a nice balance and a lot of fun for all of us. If you’re looking to start teaching using this sort of approach, go for it. You’ll be glad you did!

Oh well. Enough of story time with Uncle Dave. Those days are gone and not coming back…There is such a giant trust gap between ANet and the playerbase that I doubt most of my old guildies would come back to the game, even if ANet were to start adding more dungeons.

Hehe cute,

Ive been a fractal teacher for while now.. I started like 6months back? Although I was unstable to say the least, things happened and I lost all heart.. ANYWAY.. im feeling better now so, even though its probly not the best time, im gona see what I can do =]

Sarah

And people say we’re all toxic kibbehs. I like your attitude

Purple Miku.7032:

How many tears streamed down your face as you typed that?

You’re probably trolling but in case you’re being sincere… I suggest you lean back in your chair, maybe stare out the window nearby (if there is one) for a few minutes and think about why it is that this particular acronym upsets you so much.

I suggest you cut out the toxicity and accept there are people who want to learn but maybe not willing to go all the way with meta builds and consumables. Here is how I see it. If you teach pupil X then you can mention the significance of slaying potions and food. You can also mention a good build or two for their class, but you can do all of this non intrusively while teaching – and if your explanations can allow them to see the merit of meta build Y then they would just change to it and say ‘hey I’ll retrait/re gear’. I kind of find strictly requiring meta builds kind of sad to be honest, a teacher in my opinion should be proficient enough at a dungeon that they can do enormous carries should the situation demand it just to push along the progress of the instance if the students get stuck somewhere. And if after demonstrating the merit of build Y if by the end of the session they aren’t interested in using anything like it … well just don’t teach them again. But that’s just my opinion. Clearly I’m more tolerant of weaker players than most.

Never have I said that there aren’t people who want to learn but not willing to go all the way with meta builds and consumables. Try reading my post again. I made it clear that I don’t care what someone wants to use but if they don’t want to equip themselves properly by a certain standard I set, then I would rather not bother.

It is my choice whether or not I want to spend time teaching someone and no one else’s. I’m not interested in giving personal lessons to people who aren’t going to try to learn how to play the way that I intend to teach them to play.

There’s nothing toxic about having different requirements to be met before giving lessons to someone. What is toxic is you having a temper tantrum on the majority of the threads you post on trying to incite argument for the sake of bloating your own ego.