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Posted by: Boogiepop Void.6473

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Getting into a group to play Nightmare CM is a major issue. Everyone has started requiring a title. This means that if you didn’t do and successfully complete the CM already, you can’t get in to do it now.

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Posted by: Azoqu.8917

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As much as I hate it, you could just join the group anyhow. I have never seen anyone ever check titles to make sure everyone has it (though could be because I show Demon’s Demise which is harder so they don’t ask). If you do decide to lie and join a group, try to at least know the fights because it is extremely obvious when someone doesn’t and that is an instant kick, even with the title.

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Posted by: Sister Saxifrage.7361

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I almost never see a 100CM post without the “pots/food/exp” requirement, and often requiring the title as well. But none of these things are any guarantee of being what the group really wants, which is 5 flawless robots for a speed run – more specifically, each person in the group is hoping the other 4 are flawless robots. When the players are inevitably outed to each other as fallible human beings instead, recriminations ramp up until the group falls apart. Then you see 2-3 new LFG postings with even more requirements than before: “100CM pots/food/title/exp” plus “don’t be a scrub plz”, “condi only”, “meta builds only”, and “must have leg armor” are all tags I’ve personally seen in the T4 LFG.

I only completed 100CM in PUGs 3 times before I decided not to subject myself to that environment anymore (and I’m sure they were happy to see me go). Now I only run it with guildies; even when we’re bad, at least we’re having fun instead of hating on each other.

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Posted by: Vinceman.4572

Vinceman.4572

Open your own LFG with your own requirements.

Don’t blame others because theirs are too hard because it’s annoying to wipe over and over again with a new player if you can oneshot bosses with experienced ones.

Took me 3 runs of the dungeon to get the bug.

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Posted by: thrag.9740

thrag.9740

Why exactly can’t you just make your own lfg?

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Posted by: Cyninja.2954

Cyninja.2954

Open your own LFG with your own requirements.

Don’t blame others because theirs are too hard because it’s annoying to wipe over and over again with a new player if you can oneshot bosses with experienced ones.

We have a winner.

@TC Don’t blame other people for not wanting to take risks on unexperienced players. You aren’t even willing to put in 15 seconds of creating your own lfg for a first clear.

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Posted by: Sublimatio.6981

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if lfg asks for title and you dont have one – dont join. it’s important to respect other people’s LFG, no matter how stupid asking for unclean is. it’s about decency

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Posted by: Faaris.8013

Faaris.8013

I guess starting your own group for level 100 requires you to unlock it first and that’s the problem ^^

It happened a few times when I joined a group that was advertising to do a high level fractal, that they were hoping someone would join who can select it. And it also happened that our party of 5 people was standing at the settings station and nobody had the required personal fractal level to actually start the fractal that was stated in LFG.

What Sister said is so true about the psychology of pugs, I have to quote her:

…more specifically, each person in the group is hoping the other 4 are flawless robots.

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Posted by: TwinkleToes.8719

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I guess starting your own group for level 100 requires you to unlock it first and that’s the problem ^^

It happened a few times when I joined a group that was advertising to do a high level fractal, that they were hoping someone would join who can select it. And it also happened that our party of 5 people was standing at the settings station and nobody had the required personal fractal level to actually start the fractal that was stated in LFG.

What Sister said is so true about the psychology of pugs, I have to quote her:

…more specifically, each person in the group is hoping the other 4 are flawless robots.

This is not about opening a level 100 fractal, the OP already can. This is for challenge mote.

In most cases where you want to open a lever higher than your own personal reward level, just put it in LFG or ask in map chat. More often than not someone is willing to join to open the instance then leave.

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Posted by: Sly.9518

Sly.9518

I guess starting your own group for level 100 requires you to unlock it first and that’s the problem ^^

It happened a few times when I joined a group that was advertising to do a high level fractal, that they were hoping someone would join who can select it. And it also happened that our party of 5 people was standing at the settings station and nobody had the required personal fractal level to actually start the fractal that was stated in LFG.

What Sister said is so true about the psychology of pugs, I have to quote her:

…more specifically, each person in the group is hoping the other 4 are flawless robots.

This is not about opening a level 100 fractal, the OP already can. This is for challenge mote.

In most cases where you want to open a lever higher than your own personal reward level, just put it in LFG or ask in map chat. More often than not someone is willing to join to open the instance then leave.

You apparently didn’t read the OP, he is saying the requirements some players put on their CM 100 make it so you would have to have done it before since hey want the title.

The OP can make his own group for CM 100 with whatever requirements he wants for his group, nothing is stopping him from doing this besides himself…..

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Posted by: Linken.6345

Linken.6345

I guess starting your own group for level 100 requires you to unlock it first and that’s the problem ^^

It happened a few times when I joined a group that was advertising to do a high level fractal, that they were hoping someone would join who can select it. And it also happened that our party of 5 people was standing at the settings station and nobody had the required personal fractal level to actually start the fractal that was stated in LFG.

What Sister said is so true about the psychology of pugs, I have to quote her:

…more specifically, each person in the group is hoping the other 4 are flawless robots.

This is not about opening a level 100 fractal, the OP already can. This is for challenge mote.

In most cases where you want to open a lever higher than your own personal reward level, just put it in LFG or ask in map chat. More often than not someone is willing to join to open the instance then leave.

You apparently didn’t read the OP, he is saying the requirements some players put on their CM 100 make it so you would have to have done it before since hey want the title.

The OP can make his own group for CM 100 with whatever requirements he wants for his group, nothing is stopping him from doing this besides himself…..

Yes and you apparently dident read the one he replied to saying that the group he joined couldent even open the instances they advertised their lfg as, hence why the person you repiled to reply like s/he did.

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Posted by: Sly.9518

Sly.9518

I guess starting your own group for level 100 requires you to unlock it first and that’s the problem ^^

It happened a few times when I joined a group that was advertising to do a high level fractal, that they were hoping someone would join who can select it. And it also happened that our party of 5 people was standing at the settings station and nobody had the required personal fractal level to actually start the fractal that was stated in LFG.

What Sister said is so true about the psychology of pugs, I have to quote her:

…more specifically, each person in the group is hoping the other 4 are flawless robots.

This is not about opening a level 100 fractal, the OP already can. This is for challenge mote.

In most cases where you want to open a lever higher than your own personal reward level, just put it in LFG or ask in map chat. More often than not someone is willing to join to open the instance then leave.

You apparently didn’t read the OP, he is saying the requirements some players put on their CM 100 make it so you would have to have done it before since hey want the title.

The OP can make his own group for CM 100 with whatever requirements he wants for his group, nothing is stopping him from doing this besides himself…..

Yes and you apparently dident read the one he replied to saying that the group he joined couldent even open the instances they advertised their lfg as, hence why the person you repiled to reply like s/he did.

The OP only has one Comment on this whole thread which doesn’t say they couldn’t open it.. sooo what are you talking about?

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Posted by: Linken.6345

Linken.6345

Twinkel toes that you replied to replied to this post

Faaris.8013:

I guess starting your own group for level 100 requires you to unlock it first and that’s the problem ^^

It happened a few times when I joined a group that was advertising to do a high level fractal, that they were hoping someone would join who can select it. And it also happened that our party of 5 people was standing at the settings station and nobody had the required personal fractal level to actually start the fractal that was stated in LFG.

What Sister said is so true about the psychology of pugs

Take special note of these

I guess starting your own group for level 100 requires you to unlock it first and that’s the problem ^^
It happened a few times when I joined a group that was advertising to do a high level fractal, that they were hoping someone would join who can select it

Read whole quote post and the post before you reply mate.

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Not everyone who replies in a thread do so to the OP

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Posted by: Rising Dusk.2408

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  • Buy 2 sets of one-time use large Fractal potions.
  • Play normal mode L100 a lot and master the core mechanics.
  • Watch videos to get a good feeling for what changes are present in the CM variant of the Fractal.
  • Join CM groups and work your butt off, always keeping potions active.

Almost none of the 100CM pub groups are remotely optimized for clear times, so my general rule of thumb is to sacrifice some DPS to ensure that you’ll never die. A good example of this is running the standard condition Necromancer build but swapping in Parasitic Contagion to be basically immortal. A similar example is running Invigorating Precision over No Quarter on a power Thief. The DPS difference is minimal and it gives you a helping hand in staying alive through high pressure.

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Posted by: Feanor.2358

Feanor.2358

It’s not like 100 CM has high pressure anywhere. I’ve done it in a no-healer groups with my full glass meta zerk ele. Granted, it is faster/easier to just get a druid and rely on her heals instead of paying attention. Granted, you’ll hardly notice any difference in clear speed if you’re running Parasitic Contagion or Invigorating Precision over the respective full dps builds. If you feel safer or more comfortable, by all means, pick them. Just don’t think that’s high pressure. Matthias is high pressure.

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Posted by: Rising Dusk.2408

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It’s not like 100 CM has high pressure anywhere.

You’re not wrong, but 9 out of 10 pub players don’t CC quickly enough, inflict social awkwardness on their whole team, don’t manage enemy boons, don’t share proper team buffs, and don’t properly manage boss mechanics (ie. poison fields at Siax). When you’re dealing with that, it suddenly becomes incredibly high pressure all the time, and little DPS losses to boost your survivability go a long way. I’ve only been in a few pub groups myself where I haven’t had to solo/duo the last 20% of MAMA’s HP or solo/duo the entire second orb phase on Ensolyss.

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Posted by: FrostDraco.8306

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It’s not like 100 CM has high pressure anywhere.

You’re not wrong, but 9 out of 10 pub players don’t CC quickly enough, inflict social awkwardness on their whole team, don’t manage enemy boons, don’t share proper team buffs, and don’t properly manage boss mechanics (ie. poison fields at Siax). When you’re dealing with that, it suddenly becomes incredibly high pressure all the time, and little DPS losses to boost your survivability go a long way. I’ve only been in a few pub groups myself where I haven’t had to solo/duo the last 20% of MAMA’s HP or solo/duo the entire second orb phase on Ensolyss.

>Havent been in that many pugs

I’ve been pugging it almost every single day since it’s release. It’s not high pressure when you don’t suck. Even if your teammates are failing most of the mechanics can be soloed/duoed and remain just as easy.

But i find it funny someone that doesn’t pug, suddenly has anecdotal stats on pugs, which they themselves never join.

Pugs being bad is only an issue, when you are also bad.

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Posted by: insanemaniac.2456

insanemaniac.2456

It’s not like 100 CM has high pressure anywhere.

You’re not wrong, but 9 out of 10 pub players don’t CC quickly enough, inflict social awkwardness on their whole team, don’t manage enemy boons, don’t share proper team buffs, and don’t properly manage boss mechanics (ie. poison fields at Siax). When you’re dealing with that, it suddenly becomes incredibly high pressure all the time, and little DPS losses to boost your survivability go a long way. I’ve only been in a few pub groups myself where I haven’t had to solo/duo the last 20% of MAMA’s HP or solo/duo the entire second orb phase on Ensolyss.

weird, i recommend doing what you need to to survive… but i also pug 100 cm and i rarely find my groups solo/duo at mama and i never swap parasitic contagion in. nor does the friend i generally drag along. we would need a little more practice to fully duo mama in 1 shot, but 4-5 man is entirely np as is keeping the rest of the team up.

in fact, its gotten to the point where i dont judge groups by mama any more, but by siax’s echoes. nothing is really demanding enough until that phase. if the group can pass that in 1 shot, we generally wont have the issue at ensolyss’s phasing, which is definitely a thing but also has a strong rng component in blue orb timing.

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Posted by: Rising Dusk.2408

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>Havent been in that many pugs

What are you talking about? It appears that you didn’t read my words correctly; my last sentence means (in English) that I basically have to solo/duo half the bosses in almost every run I do.. which I’ve done basically every day since it has come out.

Even if your teammates are failing most of the mechanics can be soloed/duoed and remain just as easy.

Yes, and I even said that in my previous post.

But i find it funny someone that doesn’t pug, suddenly has anecdotal stats on pugs, which they themselves never join.

We’ve covered this, you just didn’t read correctly. It’s okay.

Pugs being bad is only an issue, when you are also bad.

It’s much easier to solo/duo something without people actively getting in your way or going down. Sure, you could just ignore everyone who goes down, let them die, and play it like you plan on soloing it, but I prefer to be more of a team player than that. It’s for those reasons why bringing things like Well of Precognition or IP/PC or whatever can be helpful. Not every random pub is as super skilled as you, dude.

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Posted by: Rising Dusk.2408

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weird, i recommend doing what you need to to survive… but i also pug 100 cm and i rarely find my groups solo/duo at mama and i never swap parasitic contagion in. nor does the friend i generally drag along. we would need a little more practice to fully duo mama in 1 shot, but 4-5 man is entirely np as is keeping the rest of the team up.

I think it might be the time of day I’m active, really. I do my Fractals on NA during Oceanic prime time, so it’s possible I’m just not seeing all of the better pubs that you or others run across in NA prime.

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Posted by: Sublimatio.6981

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i mostly ignore pugs if they go down and leave them to rot. last time my pugs gg’d at 40% ensolyss because 2 were killed and i had to solo the orb phase … but i kinda like carrying people, it brings the feeling of empowerment. that being said, i only try to ress if i see a valuable player getting downed or if ressing is a dps gain (especially chrono). if it’s an obvious scrub – no point wasting dps.

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Posted by: FrostDraco.8306

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>Havent been in that many pugs

What are you talking about? It appears that you didn’t read my words correctly; my last sentence means (in English) that I basically have to solo/duo half the bosses in almost every run I do.. which I’ve done basically every day since it has come out.

Even if your teammates are failing most of the mechanics can be soloed/duoed and remain just as easy.

Yes, and I even said that in my previous post.

But i find it funny someone that doesn’t pug, suddenly has anecdotal stats on pugs, which they themselves never join.

We’ve covered this, you just didn’t read correctly. It’s okay.

Pugs being bad is only an issue, when you are also bad.

It’s much easier to solo/duo something without people actively getting in your way or going down. Sure, you could just ignore everyone who goes down, let them die, and play it like you plan on soloing it, but I prefer to be more of a team player than that. It’s for those reasons why bringing things like Well of Precognition or IP/PC or whatever can be helpful. Not every random pub is as super skilled as you, dude.

Well of precog? which means you are playing chrono? Yea, i refuse to play chrono in pugs. That may be why you are having issues, because you are playing a support class, and not a dps/solo class.

You calling it being a team player, I call it being naive and thinking you are contributing more than you actually are. The fact you are having so many issues with pugs dying is proof of that.

If people arent standing in your wells and getting the quickness/alac, then your support is borderline useless. You’d prob have an easier time just playing druid.

And yes. If i see a person getting downed to the most silly things, I will ignore them, or kick them. I owe them nothing. I expect the same from others, and receive the same, specifically from people who invite their terra-bad friends into nightmare CM that down all over the place.

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Posted by: Chris McSwag.4683

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@OP
Asking for experience is not elitism.

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Posted by: Belorn.2659

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Challenge mote is a hard fight to learn if you never done it before. Bring pots, bring best and most expensive food, and bring res orbs, and show the rest of the group that you are willing try your best (by spending resources on it) while they are carrying you. Most important, be honest to your fellow party members and honest to yourself if you keeping getting downed or failing the dps check of boss #2.

Going to a pots/food/exp/title group to learn is like going to the racing track to learn horse riding. It’s better to just wait for a group that does not have this requirement, which is not hard to find during days that have nightmare as a daily fractal. Just be willing to stay in the group for several hours, even if you don’t reach the end reward. Many people who are part of those pots/food/exp/title groups had to do that once also, fighting the same boss for hours on end until one attempt succeeded.

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Posted by: insanemaniac.2456

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weird, i recommend doing what you need to to survive… but i also pug 100 cm and i rarely find my groups solo/duo at mama and i never swap parasitic contagion in. nor does the friend i generally drag along. we would need a little more practice to fully duo mama in 1 shot, but 4-5 man is entirely np as is keeping the rest of the team up.

I think it might be the time of day I’m active, really. I do my Fractals on NA during Oceanic prime time, so it’s possible I’m just not seeing all of the better pubs that you or others run across in NA prime.

hmm my usual time that I search for parties is from noon to 3 am na central approximately at random but slightly disfavoring around reset

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Posted by: zealex.9410

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I almost never see a 100CM post without the “pots/food/exp” requirement, and often requiring the title as well. But none of these things are any guarantee of being what the group really wants, which is 5 flawless robots for a speed run – more specifically, each person in the group is hoping the other 4 are flawless robots. When the players are inevitably outed to each other as fallible human beings instead, recriminations ramp up until the group falls apart. Then you see 2-3 new LFG postings with even more requirements than before: “100CM pots/food/title/exp” plus “don’t be a scrub plz”, “condi only”, “meta builds only”, and “must have leg armor” are all tags I’ve personally seen in the T4 LFG.

I only completed 100CM in PUGs 3 times before I decided not to subject myself to that environment anymore (and I’m sure they were happy to see me go). Now I only run it with guildies; even when we’re bad, at least we’re having fun instead of hating on each other.

Thats not the case ppl want others who know the mechanics and how to deal with them so they dont have to wipe on mama or siax for 4-5 times. Nobody cares about speedclears we only care about reasonable runs and smooth kills. Now if the OP hasnt done succesfully i suggest they make their own group and state that they go fo the clear just like we all did when it came out.

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Posted by: TexZero.7910

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weird, i recommend doing what you need to to survive… but i also pug 100 cm and i rarely find my groups solo/duo at mama and i never swap parasitic contagion in. nor does the friend i generally drag along. we would need a little more practice to fully duo mama in 1 shot, but 4-5 man is entirely np as is keeping the rest of the team up.

I think it might be the time of day I’m active, really. I do my Fractals on NA during Oceanic prime time, so it’s possible I’m just not seeing all of the better pubs that you or others run across in NA prime.

hmm my usual time that I search for parties is from noon to 3 am na central approximately at random but slightly disfavoring around reset

Having done fractals at both those times on NA i can tell you the OCE slot is a bad time to PUG by comparison. Might be because of players from OCE/SEA and latency but it’s pretty much a night and day situation.

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Posted by: insanemaniac.2456

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weird, i recommend doing what you need to to survive… but i also pug 100 cm and i rarely find my groups solo/duo at mama and i never swap parasitic contagion in. nor does the friend i generally drag along. we would need a little more practice to fully duo mama in 1 shot, but 4-5 man is entirely np as is keeping the rest of the team up.

I think it might be the time of day I’m active, really. I do my Fractals on NA during Oceanic prime time, so it’s possible I’m just not seeing all of the better pubs that you or others run across in NA prime.

hmm my usual time that I search for parties is from noon to 3 am na central approximately at random but slightly disfavoring around reset

Having done fractals at both those times on NA i can tell you the OCE slot is a bad time to PUG by comparison. Might be because of players from OCE/SEA and latency but it’s pretty much a night and day situation.

oh my

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Posted by: Illconceived Was Na.9781

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Having done fractals at both those times on NA i can tell you the OCE slot is a bad time to PUG by comparison. Might be because of players from OCE/SEA and latency but it’s pretty much a night and day situation.

Of course it’s night & day — people are having lunch in Sydney while I’m still having last night’s dinner in NA

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Posted by: Zaxares.5419

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I’ve only done 100 CM a few times, but from what I saw, the only fight that really gives problems is Siax, because of the DPS check. The other fights can all be slogged through with a balanced DPS/bunker party; it won’t be fast, but if your party is capable of beating 100 on normal, it’s capable of beating CM except for perhaps Siax.

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Posted by: Trevor Boyer.6524

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Here is the thing:

People who have done it many times, who do it every day, just want to finish their daily rotation of T4s and 100 CM quickly. The LFG exists specifically for the purpose of finding and building a party around w/e parameters the founder of the party is looking for. Experienced players are looking for experienced groups. When it says “Titles/Pots” don’t join that group if you are new. Start your own group like: “100 CM Training”, which would pull in others who need to learn like you do and will be patient or something like “100 CM All Welcome”, which sometimes will pull in lenient experienced players who might have the time that day and patience, to come in and teach you. Either way, you shouldn’t expect to sneak into groups specifically labeled “Titles/Pots Experienced Only” to get carried. Learn the fractal if you want to play in experienced groups.

With all due respect ^^

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