Guild Wars 2

Rednik.3809:

Based on what community feedback? Like, general player community who basically getting big “hahaha kitten you, we feel ourselves elite because we have raid currency, and we want to get signature class abilities just because?”

Based on the discussions in this thread and on the GW2 subreddit.

Rising Dusk.2408:

Based on the discussions in this thread and on the GW2 subreddit.

Hm, most upvoted post is about keeping cooldown 30m and multiple supporters of his position, well, now that seems like real community opinion.

To the argument of server performance on this item: I’m pretty sure it takes more resources to remember what the exact time is on a 1800s CD than on a 90s CD.

To the argument of unique class skill: Mesmers, my Guardian wants his aegis back (stupid broken well).

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Rising Dusk.2408:

Rising Dusk.2408:

Based on the discussions in this thread and on the GW2 subreddit.

Hm, most upvoted post is about keeping cooldown 30m and multiple supporters of his position, well, now that seems like real community opinion.

Except everything raid related is down voted like no tomorrow on reddit. And I do mean everything. So of course the anti-raider option has more upvotes.

Azoqu.8917:

Except everything raid related is down voted like no tomorrow on reddit. And I do mean everything. So of course the anti-raider option has more upvotes.

It’s pretty much expected when 80% of community feels alienated by content being made only for 20% of community, no? Especially when those 20% actively attacking any suggestions to change this situation, even ones about make their part of content bigger and expand it as modes.
But that’s offtopic ofc.

Make the item trade-able, so not only people who are raiding actively have access to it and/or implemented another non-raid way to get it, so it is not exclusive to raiders. Not that hard to solve that issue.

Erzian.5218:

Make the item trade-able, so not only people who are raiding actively have access to it and/or implemented another non-raid way to get it, so it is not exclusive to raiders. Not that hard to solve that issue.

Whoa, whoa calm down there. Using logic on these forums. Shame on you.
You should know that even with such a change the people complaining will still do so for the sake of complaining because “content drought”.

you know what would be funny after all this? if it comes out that they accidentally made it 1800 instead of 180

I wonder if they care enough to fix it

TexZero.7910:

Whoa, whoa calm down there. Using logic on these forums. Shame on you.
You should know that even with such a change the people complaining will still do so for the sake of complaining because “content drought”.

Sorry, Sir. I’ll try to behave better in the future

In my opinion, Anet is using WMPD as a brilliant approach to destroy the mesmer class. It is clear that somewhere in the staff, somebody is loving the mesmers from the depth of the guts.
1. Still, only WMPD is not enough. That pesky mesmers proves to be very resilient. So, i think the CD for this portal should be reduced not to 5 min, but to 30 seconds. In this way the “portal bot” nickname will be not a burden for mesmers anymore.
(NOTE for dungeoners/ fractal players – you are 5 in a team. I don’t remember any dungeon/fractal where you need more than 5 portals. A mesmer is no more needed here for portals. That shows the “generosity” of these players – never think to the others, think only to yourself – YOU need a low CD on a …. device stealing the skill of another class, so DON’T ever consider the teammates as something to be taken into account).
2. The second step should be to solve the problem with he quickness and alacrity. And of course the way the mesmer shares this. But with a banner/ flag/ well identical with WMPD this mesmer “issue” can be solved. The banner giving quickness and alacrity for 15 seconds for example. With a CD of 2-3 minutes. And the well sharing the boons. On a 2-3 minutes CD. That is OK – because in a raid team you can have only 10 members. And 10 members using 10 banners/ wells barely achieves permanent quickness/ alacrity. And the mesmer will be free from the “alacrity bot” nickname. And I think the mesmers will be free from the burden to play this game also.

Cristalyan.5728:

In my opinion, Anet is using WMPD as a brilliant approach to destroy the mesmer class. It is clear that somewhere in the staff, somebody is loving the mesmers from the depth of the guts.
1. Still, only WMPD is not enough. That pesky mesmers proves to be very resilient. So, i think the CD for this portal should be reduced not to 5 min, but to 30 seconds. In this way the “portal bot” nickname will be not a burden for mesmers anymore.
(NOTE for dungeoners/ fractal players – you are 5 in a team. I don’t remember any dungeon/fractal where you need more than 5 portals. A mesmer is no more needed here for portals. That shows the “generosity” of these players – never think to the others, think only to yourself – YOU need a low CD on a …. device stealing the skill of another class, so DON’T ever consider the teammates as something to be taken into account).
2. The second step should be to solve the problem with he quickness and alacrity. And of course the way the mesmer shares this. But with a banner/ flag/ well identical with WMPD this mesmer “issue” can be solved. The banner giving quickness and alacrity for 15 seconds for example. With a CD of 2-3 minutes. And the well sharing the boons. On a 2-3 minutes CD. That is OK – because in a raid team you can have only 10 members. And 10 members using 10 banners/ wells barely achieves permanent quickness/ alacrity. And the mesmer will be free from the “alacrity bot” nickname. And I think the mesmers will be free from the burden to play this game also.

If you think this device will destroy mesmer, then you don’t know mesmer.

This device will only help pve players. Whether or be jumping puzzles, guild missions, or just faster open world events.

Absurdo.8309: " This device will only help pve players. Whether or be jumping puzzles, guild missions, or just faster open world events"
Well, if so, can you tell us, please, how this device can help a mesmer? Or a mesmer owner is not a player?
And I know the mesmer very well – I play a mesmer for the last 1 and a half year. Daily – only mesmer. This is the reason I expect from Anet the step 2 – to solve the “issue” with the quickness and alacrity – because I know that only the Portal is not enough to kill the class.

Cristalyan.5728:

Absurdo.8309: " This device will only help pve players. Whether or be jumping puzzles, guild missions, or just faster open world events"
Well, if so, can you tell us, please, how this device can help a mesmer? Or a mesmer owner is not a player?
And I know the mesmer very well – I play a mesmer for the last 1 and a half year. Daily – only mesmer. This is the reason I expect from Anet the step 2 – to solve the “issue” with the quickness and alacrity – because I know that only the Portal is not enough to kill the class.

I would use this device even as a mesmer, because it would free up a much more valuable utility slot.

The only strategic uses are in pvp and wvw, and you can’t use it there. And maybe dungeon speed runs, but that community is really small, and they may still bring a mesmer anyway.

This discussion is about the cooldown of the device. It has no bearing on a mesmers ability to bring alacrity and quickness.

Absurdo.8309:
" I would use this device even as a mesmer, because it would free up a much more valuable utility slot.

The only strategic uses are in pvp and wvw, and you can’t use it there. And maybe dungeon speed runs, but that community is really small, and they may still bring a mesmer anyway".

From your first statement: " I would use this device even as a mesmer, because it would free up a much more valuable utility slot.", I understand that you don’t run a mesmer. And still, you can give advice to a mesmer only user of how he can use the utility slots :-))). BTW – the utility is the main reason the mesmers exists. The DPS is legendary low, so the only fact that still keeps the mesmer alive is its utility list. And one of the most important utilities is given to all the players :-))
About the utility slots: The portal has a 60sec CD. With traits, (Temporal Enchanter) the CD is lower. Using the Alacrity produced by the F1-F4 shatters, the CD is even lower. If you use two wells, you lower the CD even more. You can have a Portal every 45 sec if you want. And now: How can this device (even with a 5 min CD) to help a mesmer? In my opinion, as mesmer, if you need the Portal and you use the device instead of your skill, then, maybe you should use another class. That means – for mesmers, this device DON’T make an utility slot available.

The second statement: “The only strategic uses are in pvp and wvw, and you can’t use it there. And maybe dungeon speed runs, but that community is really small, and they may still bring a mesmer anyway”
My question is: If the device cannot be used in WvW / PvP and has minor to no use in PvE, why do you want a 5 min CD on it? For such kitteneless device, 30 min CD is still to small.

Cristalyan.5728:

From your first statement: " I would use this device even as a mesmer, because it would free up a much more valuable utility slot.", I understand that you don’t run a mesmer. And still, you can give advice to a mesmer only user of how he can use the utility slots :-))). BTW – the utility is the main reason the mesmers exists. The DPS is legendary low, so the only fact that still keeps the mesmer alive is its utility list. And one of the most important utilities is given to all the players :-))

No, Mesmers exist nowadays for alacrity and quickness and since I highly doubt any other classes will be given the same amount of output as Mesmers of those two things, you can safely consider your spot in groups safe. Unlike Warriors who are starting to be seen as pointless slowly because Mesmers can give alacrity, quickness, and 25 MIGHT all in the same build. And before you bring up empowered allies (I think that’s its name) and banners, I’d much rather ditch super low DPS that brings banners for a class that does way more. So if any class complains about stuff being taken from them, I believe Mesmers are at the bottom of the list for being allowed to complain.

Oh and my Guardian wants his aegis back. All sources of aegis are either Guardian, random chance or a condition conversion of Burning (only damaging conditions Guardians have, gasp) to aegis. So I want you to give me my well, that is clearly Guardian and that they would kill for, back to me.

Plus, portal is something that should never have been a class specific skill anyhow. It has to much utilitarian purposes to be limited to only one class and not for all players. How I would love to not have to wait on all the bad Mesmer jumpers during guild puzzles to get to the end.

Azoqu.8917:

No, Mesmers exist nowadays for alacrity and quickness and since I highly doubt any other classes will be given the same amount of output as Mesmers of those two things, you can safely consider your spot in groups safe.

What you doubt or believe, and what might happen are two very different things. It is very likely that come next elite specialisation some other class gets alacrity. Same as how quite a few classes were granted access to quickness.

Azoqu.8917:

Unlike Warriors who are starting to be seen as pointless slowly because Mesmers can give alacrity, quickness, and 25 MIGHT all in the same build. And before you bring up empowered allies (I think that’s its name) and banners, I’d much rather ditch super low DPS that brings banners for a class that does way more.

Warrior’s haven’t been there for might in a long time. Warrior banners still are unique to their class. The exact same thing we are talking about here. If another class were to be given banners I’d expect warriors to be up in arms about it (and rightfully so).

Azoqu.8917:

Oh and my Guardian wants his aegis back. All sources of aegis are either Guardian, random chance or a condition conversion of Burning (only damaging conditions Guardians have, gasp) to aegis. So I want you to give me my well, that is clearly Guardian and that they would kill for, back to me.

Ah you’ve fainly adapted your mantra of aegis being guardian only to “it’s guardian only non random chance”.

Trust me though, quite a few mesmers would love for Well of Precognition to get changed back to its original design. To bad this skill was nerfed so hard in the first place. Design wise it made sense to change immunity to aegis since mesmer was able to provide aegis before already.

Azoqu.8917:

Plus, portal is something that should never have been a class specific skill anyhow. It has to much utilitarian purposes to be limited to only one class and not for all players. How I would love to not have to wait on all the bad Mesmer jumpers during guild puzzles to get to the end.

Yes, how dare those other bad players not immediately let you skip content. Best would be to just have an npc at the start of the jumping puzzle have you teleport you to the end, right next to the reward chest. Better yet, let’s have him directly give you loot and skip this entire part of the pve game.

You are correct though. Portal always has been problematic. Maybe a complete removal would be best for the game.

tested it with two adrelin mushrooms, it removes the cd completely xD