Guild Wars 2

I am super annoyed by people wanting to skip Kohler in AC or letting the troll fight him.
So make the following changes:
- Make it impossible to skip Kohler or reduce tokens at the end of the dungeon by 50% if he got skipped.
- Make the troll assist Kohler instead of fighting him.

Until you fix this I will feel forced to go afk in AC as soon as the group insists of skipping Kohler.

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/dungeons/How-logn-until-the-Lt-exploit-is-fixed-in-AC-explorable#post477887

good there is the kick feature for ppl like you, i suppose

Good I always go in first so they kick themselves.
The thread you linked seems bugged btw. I dont see any posts.

hmm yeh, dunno whats up with that.

short on what the dev said: “its not an exploit skipping him.”

You can see those posts by logging off your account

Just copy the link and paste it afterwards.

Even if its not an exploit (I didnt claim it to be one), it should be fixed/changed.

You have to understand people have preferences. Some consider this not to be a worthy pursuit due its difficulty amongst pugs and its lack of rewards.

I personally always kill this boss as a 2 minute fight is worth an extra waypoint and ~5 silver.

AC is very short already, no need to make it even shorter with lots of skipable encounters.

I love fighting Khoeler and try never to skip him, but that being said, people need to stop trying to force everyone else in doing things your way and only your way. If they want to skip it or be clever and let the troll fight it so be it.

Enough with trying to chain our gameplay choices with limitations, it sucks, its nice to be able to do things and feel we are using fun/different mechanics to beat bosses. Its brilliant that mobs fight each other, it gives them a sense of life, that they exist out of just being there for us to kill them in order like we are automatons on a train track.

Even a Dev said this is a bonus event with no real need or requirement to complete. People need to get off this kick. If you want to do him, form your group

/m AC EXP LF 4 MORE! NOT SKIPPING KOHLER

His time sink vs reward is not worth it. Skip him.
Put a random 5 tokens in his chest and see how often he gets skipped by people
Oooo! Or even 5 Black Lion Keys per person! People will want to do him then!
But for his craptastic blue loot /yawn.

5 Black Lion keys would be silly. He takes like 2min to kill. Even 1 would be too much, considering his low difficulty.

so yeah, just now in this did i discover that Lt Kholer is skipabble at all.

as far as i’m concerned, this entirely validates the dungeon as the first one. Kholer is a bitter, angry fight, and on top of those stupid graveling burrows and an already challenging dungeon experience, i’m sure has ruined dungeons in general for many a player, since it is not obvious at all that the boss can be skipped. i’m not saying this is a good attitude, and i certainly fought bitterly against the ghost until i finally beat him, but for real. let people skip this kitten.

in fact i agree with pawtrisha, buff his drops. i’m sorry, but the fight is hard even with an experienced group of well geared 80’s how kite him away from his adds. i call bull kitten on anything even close to 2 mins, and will until i see a vid.

lol@ AC (and Kohler) being challanging for lvl 80s
Even a caveman could do it if you give him a lvl 80 in full exotic and teach him the basics of the game.

What I am tired of is this:

I go to the trouble of making a group myself, I take 3 of my guildies, I pop into LA to grab one pug to fill last spot…

We get in there and the guy has a spaz attack because we aren’t skipping what HE wants.

This happens almost everyday, even when I advise the pug before entering that we are indeed not skipping anything.

I do NOT care what their reasoning is, be ’it’s too hard’ or ’It’s not needed.’ It’s my choice, it’s my group, and I’m kitten-well doing it. Yet they still whine about it once we get to it.

Killing Kohler for my team takes like 3 minutes, he melts. And what do we get for that time? A chance at a rare from the chest, which can = ectos. Like I’m gonna pass up a chance like that.

I understand it is not an exploit to skip it, but it makes no sense to do so given how easy and quick it is and the fact you have a shot at ectos.

It just grates on my nerves everyday lol.

I usually run with the at least the same 2 other people regularly and we do AC everyday. Never skipped Kohler. We will pull troll and him together sometimes though simply because it’s fun, we don’t attack troll during though, we treat it as a break and then kill troll after.

The problem with players skipping kohler is the players themselves. They’re the ones missing out on the chest and waypoint. If you want to consistently run dungeons to their completion you should add likeminded individuals to your friends list as you meet them through pugs or other things.

When you’re grouped with 4 strangers you’re basically at their mercy.

all most ppl care about (and should atm) is the end reward (60 tokens), the faster u get there, the better.
how to do this? skip burrow, skip queen, skip foes on traps, skip troll, skip kholer, do burrow event, etc. . . finish in 10mins

its just a playstyle, tobad most ppl prefere to skip him (not rly)
but why care how other ppl want to play?

they said they’ll fix drops in dungeons, so things might change

babes.6385:

all most ppl care about (and should atm) is the end reward (60 tokens), the faster u get there, the better.

^^this.

Since they changed the encounters so they don’t offer individual rewards, it’s now rewarding to skip all of the content you possibly can.

My solution to this would be to offer SMALL reward for the first few encounters and larger reward as you progress, so it’s not efficient to just farm the first encounter over and over, but you might not want to skip everything.

babes.6385:

all most ppl care about (and should atm) is the end reward (60 tokens), the faster u get there, the better.
how to do this? skip burrow, skip queen, skip foes on traps, skip troll, skip kholer, do burrow event, etc. . . finish in 10mins

its just a playstyle, tobad most ppl prefere to skip him (not rly)
but why care how other ppl want to play?

they said they’ll fix drops in dungeons, so things might change

Is it really viable to skip the spider and the foes on the traps? I can see skipping the trap gravelings, but skipping the queen and those looks to be exceedingly difficult.

“What’s that? My group doesn’t want to kill this sort of hard boss that doesn’t drop anything good anyways? Better afk!! AND I’d better not forget to make it so that if they kick me they boot everyone out of the instance!! I’m totally not a raging kitten!”

The fact that that you think you’re justified makes me sick.

Please uninstall the game so we don’t have to deal with you.

Edit: Ha… kitten. GW2 forums you so silly.

Whats the point of getting everything in no time? I cant find any valid point.

Khoeler is either easy for some groups, hard, or challenging. Everyones different so the argument concerning his base difficulty is irrelevant and moot.

That being said the problem here is that people are skipping content that was meant to be played. Sure a Dev said that it isnt an exploit to do so (and its not) but then one wonders why not just tske kohler out and save us the trouble?

Sure he may drop a rare, but as another dev said in another forum, those odds are way too low.

So they are working on loot drops, which may help things. But people really run dungeons for tokens.

I proposed in another thread that all bosses should reward tokens, but the player doesnt physically receive those tokens until the end of the run.

Imagine a sort of slot machine display that appears after every boss displaying your token count thus far for that run. At the end, it cashes out. Youd have people doing content again and youd still be preventing players from farming the first boss.