Guild Wars 2

I can’t find FotM subforum so I write here.

The problem:
I entered lfg party as a second one. A charr guy was already inside. We gathered full party and went on. On second instance the charr guy (party leader as I thing) got disconnected and other party members didn’t know that he entered. They kicked him at the beginnig of the 3rd instace, but we stayed in O.o . We invited 5th guy and made throught 3rd instance with no problem. Got Mai Trin as 4th, so I playing as a ranger reloged on my cleric warrior, and then we got all kicked.

The question:
Did the game recognized me as the party leader after the charr guy disconnected? Or meybe Anet did something about kicking party leader from instance and I just didn’t notice it in the path notes? Because something as this never happened to me before and I kinda feel bad for that reloging.
FYI when I entered the party, I got the prompt to join my party in the FotM. Maybe me and the charr just entered in the same time and the game thought that I’m the party leader? But still, the charr opened.

It’s kind of a bug. Since Fractured the “instance owner” for fractals is weird.

Essentially, when you enter a new shard (read: map), then if the instance owner is not inside the dungeon when you continue to the next shard then it will be set to the first person who was inside the instance that’s still inside.
On a side note, if you’re doing a level higher than anyone who’s inside the fractal has unlocked, then it will be lowered to the highest fractal level anyone has unlocked that is inside.
E.g. Party Member #1 opens level 49 and rolls swamp. Party Member #2 has fractal level 30. All other party members only have fractal 40. Party Member #2 was the first, non-instance owner to enter. At Mossman he d/c’s but the party completes it and rolls the next fractal, because Party Member #1 is not inside, it gives the ownership to Party Member #2. Also, since Party Member #1 was the only one with Fractal level 49, it makes the Fractal Level the highest of the people who are inside. Since Party Member #3, 4, and 5 are Fractal Level 40, it resets to 40 when it rolls the second map. Note it doesn’t reset to the level of the new instance owner Party Member #2.

You can technically use this to your advantage.

Also, if you think I’m spouting nonsense, please test yourself before replying “You’re spouting nonsense.”
Get a buddy who is on a different server (preferably) and has a lower or higher fractal level than you. If he’s higher, then have your buddy open, otherwise you should open.
Then have the non-opener enter Dessa’s Lab. Then have the opener leave the instance. Then non-opener should roll the fractal.
You will see the level get lowered to what the non-opener’s level is, also, the server the fractal is being hosted on will change to the non-opener’s home server.
The opener can enter, and the non-opener can switch chars or leave party, the instance will break.

Pewienpan.5168:

…..so I playing as a ranger reloged on my cleric warrior, and then we got all kicked…….

Say Wha….?

On topic, you must have opened the instance and not realized it. Re-logging to a different toon will kill the instance every time though. If I were you in that situation having felt lucky that you all didn’t get kicked because you thought the char had opened the instance, I would have just played it out and been happy rather than changing toons. What was your cleric’s warrior going to do so much better than your ranger anyway?

Pewienpan.5168:

Or meybe Anet did something about kicking party leader from instance and I just didn’t notice it in the path notes?

Does losing-the-instance-opener-kills-instance affect the LS? No. So they didn’t do anything.

You must have officially been the dungeon opener.

I did not open the dungeon. When I entered the party through the lfg I got the prompt to enter FotM because the charr guy was already in. My point is that maybe he apparently opened FotM in the same moment I entered the party, we both clicked enter instance kinda in the same moment but I loaded first. But I don’t think that happened or it works that way.

Cranked, on Mai Trin I got only the Healing Spring, condi signet and Prayer to Kormir. My cleric warrior is a shout healer. Got a lot more HP than ranger and ofc the 3 shouts that heal around 2,5k HP each + runes of the soldier that remove my and party members conditions which is the key to beating Mai Trin. So my warrior is far more useful on Mai than ranger.

Pewienpan.5168:

Cranked, on Mai Trin I got only the Healing Spring, condi signet and Prayer to Kormir. My cleric warrior is a shout healer. Got a lot more HP than ranger and ofc the 3 shouts that heal around 2,5k HP each + runes of the soldier that remove my and party members conditions which is the key to beating Mai Trin. So my warrior is far more useful on Mai than ranger.

It may have just bugged out, who knows. Either way, it isn’t something that changed on anet’s part.

I run full zerk warrior and all I need to combat conditions in the Mai Trin fight is “shake it off” coupled with the ability to stand in the correct position and dodge at the appropriate times.

Well, my party always go full stack on her all the time.

does no one else see this? lol. maybe cranked did, but imo he’s not making a big enough deal of it.

in your first post, a clerics warrior. now, you tell us that you run the condi signet and prayer to kormir on your ranger, and soldier runes and shout heals on your clerics warrior. honestly, I hope this is a troll post, because if it isnt, you need to stop whining on the forum about the same thing a million other people whine about daily, and instead learn to properly play this game.

Anierna, maybe I and Cranked strayed a little from the topic and started to talk about Mai Trin strategy, but I completly can’t understand what are you “whining” about.

FYI, if my party fights Mai Trin and we go full stack on her, then yes, I will use Signet of Renewal and Prayer to Kormir on my human ranger to clear the conditions. And as far as I know, cleric warrior is one of the most useful builds I have encountered in this game. Everyone plays their style. If you wanna rush the whole dungeon and get downed here and there it’s your choice. I prefer to do my job slower, but without any stress.

Back to topic, what I want to explain myself in those post is the bug that occured cousing a loss of 45 minutes and I don’t know if million people “whine” about this every day.

Pewienpan.5168:

Back to topic, what I want to explain myself in those post is the bug that occured cousing a loss of 45 minutes and I don’t know if million people “whine” about this every day.

There is only two possibilities.

1. You actually started the instance and somehow didn’t realize it. Maybe you had created the instance, logged for a while or something then came back on the same toon and it was still your instance. Instances can linger for a long time even if you log out to the character select screen.

2. It bugged. I haven’t heard anyone ever say this happened to them, but that doesn’t mean it couldn’t.

MagicSlurpees.4851:

It’s kind of a bug. Since Fractured the “instance owner” for fractals is weird.

Essentially, when you enter a new shard (read: map), then if the instance owner is not inside the dungeon when you continue to the next shard then it will be set to the first person who was inside the instance that’s still inside.
On a side note, if you’re doing a level higher than anyone who’s inside the fractal has unlocked, then it will be lowered to the highest fractal level anyone has unlocked that is inside.
E.g. Party Member #1 opens level 49 and rolls swamp. Party Member #2 has fractal level 30. All other party members only have fractal 40. Party Member #2 was the first, non-instance owner to enter. At Mossman he d/c’s but the party completes it and rolls the next fractal, because Party Member #1 is not inside, it gives the ownership to Party Member #2. Also, since Party Member #1 was the only one with Fractal level 49, it makes the Fractal Level the highest of the people who are inside. Since Party Member #3, 4, and 5 are Fractal Level 40, it resets to 40 when it rolls the second map. Note it doesn’t reset to the level of the new instance owner Party Member #2.

You can technically use this to your advantage.

Also, if you think I’m spouting nonsense, please test yourself before replying “You’re spouting nonsense.”
Get a buddy who is on a different server (preferably) and has a lower or higher fractal level than you. If he’s higher, then have your buddy open, otherwise you should open.
Then have the non-opener enter Dessa’s Lab. Then have the opener leave the instance. Then non-opener should roll the fractal.
You will see the level get lowered to what the non-opener’s level is, also, the server the fractal is being hosted on will change to the non-opener’s home server.
The opener can enter, and the non-opener can switch chars or leave party, the instance will break.

Interesting! I wonder if something like this can be done with dungeons:

1. everyone enters dungeon
2. instance owner DCs
3. all other party members leave the dungeon
4. all other party members reenter the dungeon

(3 and 4 are used to simulate entering the next fractal shard.)

would the instance owner become one of the 4 remaining guys?

It’s a long shot, but if this works, it would be a great way to replace an instance owner who has real life to attend to… or to allow the instance owner to switch characters.

I dont believe it works with dungeons. Anyway yeah fractal ownership is weird since the fractured patch. We knew if the host isnt in when it swaps shard the level can change to the next highest person (we experienced this when lvling fracs right after the patch). however we didnt know ownership changes and how it selects ownership.

MagicSlurpees.4851:

It’s kind of a bug. Since Fractured the “instance owner” for fractals is weird.

Essentially, when you enter a new shard (read: map), then if the instance owner is not inside the dungeon when you continue to the next shard then it will be set to the first person who was inside the instance that’s still inside.

And that answers my question, thanks.

But still, why weren’t we all kicked when the owner disconnected and was kicked from party? If he had left or reloged, we would be kicked. But completly exiting the game makes us able to kick the guy with no penalties?

You cant kick the host even if they dc and are completely gone. It will destroy the instance. If however instance ownership gets transferred to someone else then you can.

If the host remains offline for about 10 minutes he will be auto kicked from the party which could destroy the instance. The whole party ownership thing is a mess at the moment. Best thing to do is pick a reliable host who wont need to change character and shouldnt dc.

Note that this can also have very funny consequences. Because our level 49 host disconnected, we ended up doing hammer on level 45 with a team full of zerkers. kitten that instability hurts…

I’ve seen this happen to an extent, but only in dungeon cutscenes. if I open instance and go out for a while to buy something, another player’s character will appear in the cutscenes. however I’m not sure if this is purely a cosmetic effect.

Something like this happened to me once, a few days after fractured came out. I joined a party in the 3rd instance, and someone left, and when they left, we weren’t kicked, but the fractal level dropped around 4 levels, because the host had opened it at one level and nobody else had the same level, so apparently a new host was assigned and it changed the level to their highest level. That new host decided to leave and the dungeon was lost.

I have no idea why that occurred and I’ve never seen anything even remotely close to that happen again.