Guild Wars 2

It’s never too late for a change, especially since we’re speaking of mere skins. In my opinion, ANET should make it so that reliably acquiring a single skin becomes a difficult task, requiring players to run higher levels Fractals regularly. I believe that each weapon would take its respective discipline to be maxed, too (If you’re running high level fractals, chances are that you have at least two level 500 disciplines already).

Perhaps going as far as to add a little RNG, like requiring you to run specific Fractals to gain an attunement after beating their boss.

Also, in order not to alienate newer players, skins and weapon boxes should remain as possible rewards at the end of the run, keeping their current midget-low drop-rate.

I believe it should be tedious, though not legendary tedious. With the time many of us have spent trying to get certain skin, we would’ve gotten at least a single Legendary weapon by now.

I made a suggestion on the stickied thread above. It’s not anywhere near perfect, but it would be better than our current system.

You are not talking about a mere skin.
You are talking about the only PvE rare skins in the game not related to trading post.

Also related to a community that kept playing fractal unde the worse circumstances and often treated in the worse possible way by the developers:

-The most Game breaking bugs og GW2 leading to voiding hours of play.
-horribly unbalanced fractals takingmore than 1 hours alone
-the worse reward in game (we got to a point cutting a single tree gave more reward than a fractal run)
-most expensive content to play
-sacrificing stats to play a content
-rewards needing gemshop items to be claimed (in the past fractal weapons were statless weapon you have to trasmute)
-and the reset of personal level

You might understand why many people would be very upset if they make fotm skins easy to get.

RNG is fine (not really, just double % at max level).
And give a 4skin = 1 box recipe

And maybe delete instabilties nobody likes….
They are horribly unbalance and random (EXAMPLE: you can be shot by mossman while dazed at cliffside).

LordByron.8369:

You are not talking about a mere skin.
You are talking about the only PvE rare skins in the game not related to trading post.

Also related to a community that kept playing fractal unde the worse circumstances and often treated in the worse possible way by the developers:

You might understand why many people would be very upset if they make fotm skins easy to get.

Can you please tell me where exactly I suggested this?
I’m not looking for ANET to make things easier. I have most of the skins already, so I wouldn’t benefit from that at all. I just believe that it should not be all RNG. It literally takes away any shred of prestige there is to be had. It’s all about luck and nothing more. Literally all you need to do is reaching level 11 to have a shot on the skins, and every level onwards is just a little bonus.
You have difficulty by effort and difficulty by probability mixed up.

What I am suggesting is a more reliable system to acquire them. Something that actually forces you to go up in the ladders if you want a specific skin.
Perhaps making some of the requirements instability specific or area specific. We have eighteen different instabilities , and fifteen different areas (granted, some combinations can get pretty absurd, but that’s difficult, right?). I’d say we have plenty of material to work with.

LordByron.8369:

And maybe delete instabilties nobody likes….
They are horribly unbalance and random (EXAMPLE: you can be shot by mossman while dazed at cliffside).

Also, you’re the one suggesting to make things easier. I agree that some instability-area combos can be pretty OP, but save for a few instances, there’s nothing that some teamwork and cooperation can’t solve.

FenrirSlakt.3692:

Also, you’re the one suggesting to make things easier. I agree that some instability-area combos can be pretty OP, but save for a few instances, there’s nothing that some teamwork and cooperation can’t solve.

No i am suggesting that “since anet seems not to be able to imrpove fractals” they should simple revert the system at when fractals were popular and rewards more balanced.

I’m asking to revert fractured leaving just the fractal fixes and the new fractals that afaik is considered one of the worst patch we had.

So its both easy and fault proof.
Things got already way easier compared when we used to run fotm 80 with 20 AR.

LordByron.8369:

FenrirSlakt.3692:

Also, you’re the one suggesting to make things easier. I agree that some instability-area combos can be pretty OP, but save for a few instances, there’s nothing that some teamwork and cooperation can’t solve.

No i am suggesting that “since anet seems not to be able to imrpove fractals” they should simple revert the system at when fractals were popular and rewards more balanced.

I’m asking to revert fractured leaving just the fractal fixes and the new fractals that afaik is considered one of the worst patch we had.

So its both easy and fault proof.
Things got already way easier compared when we used to run fotm 80 with 20 AR.

I agree that Fractured could’ve been better, but I disagree with your proposed solution. Moving backwards should never be an option. The reason people are so very bored with the dungeons we have right now is that there haven’t been any significant changes or new additions in a long time.

Also, as much as I dislike that ANET reset everyone’s Fractal level down to 30, using that fabled leaderboard as an excuse and with no compensation whatsoever, it is understandable that they did it because they had not expected their players to find a way to beat them.

I believe that we’ll have to agree to disagree solution-wise and simply acknowledge that the current system is terrible and it needs to go, one way or another.

FenrirSlakt.3692:

Moving backwards should never be an option.

For ANet it is, especially when looking at fractals.

NovaanVerdiano.6174:

FenrirSlakt.3692:

Moving backwards should never be an option.

For ANet it is, especially when looking at fractals.

They didn’t move backwards; they just advanced in a different direction… a direction worse than the last. Still, my point stands, if we keep things the way they are, they’ll become even more boring than they already are (if that’s even possible :P).

FenrirSlakt.3692:

NovaanVerdiano.6174:

FenrirSlakt.3692:

Moving backwards should never be an option.

For ANet it is, especially when looking at fractals.

They didn’t move backwards; they just advanced in a different direction… a direction worse than the last. Still, my point stands, if we keep things the way they are, they’ll become even more boring than they already are (if that’s even possible :P).

I mainly meant the fractal level reset with that.

But yes, we need changes.

Yonarq.1072:

Is not about greed, I know it looks like… but is more about I dont like the idea of spend 11 months of INSANE grind in a goal and then they bring a new shinny system that allows you to archieve that in a guaranted 5 months (for example). Thats would be unfair.

Anyway, if they change the system or not, is not our decision so…

PD: Again, sorry about me english.

Your not being greedy, your being selfish.

Keeping a poorly designed system just because YOU went through some awful grind is not only incredibly selfish, but crazy and nonsensical. It’s never too late to get rid of awful RNG in any aspect of the game.

For the record, I don’t want any of the fractal skins. So, I am not in it to make it easier on myself.

@cranked
Yonarq is not selfish.

Since this game is about skins and rewards, we had a choice to give up thousands gold to play the most difficult pve content (arah is easier since its all about avoiding mechanics) with the worse reward.

Now the only things we got for it are few skins.
While you farming dungeons and living story had way more than US.

I am all ok if you want easy fractal skins.

Give me easy precursors, selfless potions, maudrey II and the new bug skins.
All of them will take less than fractal skins.

You can t say “my reward have to stay exclusive yours needs to be easier”.

Heh, Byron, your true colors are showing, man.

No i said the same since forever.
Expecially since i was playing fractal with 20 silver reward and cof1 farmers (10-20 G per hour) were crying they wanted easy fractal skins…..

I’m perfectly OK if they do the same for EVERY skin in the game.

But since i know what is a really balanced droprate, i’m advocating for it (see prefractured %… that is how i got most of my skins).

So as you see i’m not selfish.

P.S. FYI was about 18-19% at highest levels, opposing to a mere 5% we have now.
Was even higher when we had level 80 without the repeated agony check.

P.P.S. i want a selfless potion for example…did you see me crying on the forum for it?
I respect the fact that while i was farming fractal people farmed LS.

RNG would be okay if you could actually pick the skin, imo. I’ve been playing Fractals for a long while now, too, and also have almost every skin, except for the useless underwater ones (thank RNGod), but that doesn’t make me feel like it would be unfair to actually get a reliable method to acquire skins at higher levels (maybe even at 50, only).

As I said, it doesn’t have to be easy. In fact, I would hate it if it were easy. You’re advocating to trade our current horrible RNG for an slightly less horrible RNG. I find that silly, and maybe others do, too.

LordByron.8369:

No i said the same since forever.
Expecially since i was playing fractal with 20 silver reward and cof1 farmers (10-20 G per hour) were crying they wanted easy fractal skins…..

I’m perfectly OK if they do the same for EVERY skin in the game.

But since i know what is a really balanced droprate, i’m advocating for it (see prefractured %… that is how i got most of my skins).

So as you see i’m not selfish.

P.S. FYI was about 18-19% at highest levels, opposing to a mere 5% we have now.
Was even higher when we had level 80 without the repeated agony check.

P.P.S. i want a selfless potion for example…did you see me crying on the forum for it?
I respect the fact that while i was farming fractal people farmed LS.

I’d ask if you worked for anet in secret, Lord Byron, because I can’t imagine anyone actually defending kittenty rng, but it doesn’t matter!! Anet doesn’t care about fractals.

Would it be that hard to remove the fractal skin a players owns from his daily fotm chest loot table? I was happy a few days ago to get a fractal skin… until I saw it was hammer. My 4th hammer. Yeah. Great. Once you have a skin and any additional ones are useless, they should no longer drop for you. Same goes for those account-bound recipes, getting one is great but what am I supposed to do with 3-4?! Bad, bad, very bad… I am waiting to see someone post on the forum that they got their second account-bound fractal tonic…

I don t defend it, but i guess if me and friends could unlock 90% skins with PRE FRACTURED system.

It was actually working somehow.
1 skin every 5 runs was not that bad.

And adding a 4X1 forge recipe would solve the rng issue.

Means with 20 runs at most you get a skin of your choice…. but without impacting level requirements. (no level 10 farming).

If you want more you are really asking for easy skins.

Now everyone knows fotm rewards are totally “fixed” (in anet dictionary means messed up).

They were fixed twice and broken 2 times more.

Usually the third time they manage to fix stuff looking back at similar cases… XD

LordByron.8369:

I don t defend it, but i guess if me and friends could unlock 90% skins with PRE FRACTURED system.

It was actually working somehow.
1 skin every 5 runs was not that bad.

This is silly on so many lvls. One skin every 5 runs? Don’t spread lies please. That means you were simply lucky enough to get a drop. I runned a lot of pre fractured fractals 1-50 and got a few fractal weapons. You make it sound like they dropped like crazy which is not true. It’s the same for me now. Every month 1 weapon, maybe two if i’m lucky. Mostly rings or nothing even or lvl 45+.

Oxidia.8103:

Don’t spread lies please.

I runned a lot of pre fractured fractals 1-50 and got a few fractal weapons.

Busted…….

You didn’t.

Also the old spreadsheet had so many contributions to give credibility to the 18,9% (if i remember well) chance at top level.

LordByron.8369:

Oxidia.8103:

Don’t spread lies please.

I runned a lot of pre fractured fractals 1-50 and got a few fractal weapons.

Busted…….

You didn’t.

Also the old spreadsheet had so many contributions to give credibility to the 18,9% (if i remember well) chance at top level.

Well we tried lvl 50 using rangers and pets to res us on jade maw. But i did a lot 30s and 40s. You just had luck in wep drops but you sound like pre patch was like a drop spree with weapons. The drop rate looks the same to me sorry. They just added chests thats all.

No you didn’t they fixed ANY possible way to ress many months ago.
Lot of times passed but if i remember correctly rtop was 38.
And not uneven levels.

Also you are going with your word against a spreadsheet of thousands and thousands of reports.

That is making you the exception.

LordByron.8369:

No you didn’t they fixed ANY possible way to ress many months ago.
Lot of times passed but if i remember correctly rtop was 38.
And not uneven levels.

Also you are going with your word against a spreadsheet of thousands and thousands of reports.

That is making you the exception.

A spreadsheet is an average of thousands of tries. Why is it unlikely that he had bad luck? It says that the chance SHOULD be 18,9%, that doesn’t mean it is. A weapon drop for every fifth player (thus one weapon each run) does not have to happen. It is a player-crafted statistic, nothing more, nothing less.
I for my part didn’t have much luck with my fractals I ran around either (Around Lv20-30 most of the time). Droprates were better back then (and I think they were okay like this), but they weren’t as glorious as some people make them out to be.

I think it’s pretty telling that the title of this thread is the 7th of its kind (check out the link, Fractal-Weapons-7) there’s something obviously wrong . The drop rates started being complained about in the third instance (https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/dungeons/Fractal-weapons-3) and that was when the drop rate was higher.

I think it’s pretty obvious that a token system is anet’s best choice. An obscene amount of relics for a fractal weapon box (even if it is an RNG skin box!) Would go a long way. They want them to be rare. That’s fine! But there are too many possible weapons to hope that on the 3% chance you even get a weapon that it’s the one you need or want.

I guess it’s a mixed blessing that there isn’t a Fractal Weapon Collection. On the one hand, it won’t drive us collectors mad. On the other hand, if there was a collection, we’d have a stronger case to argue with ANet for a more reliable way to acquire specific skins.

Zaxares.5419:

I guess it’s a mixed blessing that there isn’t a Fractal Weapon Collection. On the one hand, it won’t drive us collectors mad. On the other hand, if there was a collection, we’d have a stronger case to argue with ANet for a more reliable way to acquire specific skins.

Some collections require obtaining an item to unlock, are we sure there isn’t?

Jerus.4350:

Zaxares.5419:

I guess it’s a mixed blessing that there isn’t a Fractal Weapon Collection. On the one hand, it won’t drive us collectors mad. On the other hand, if there was a collection, we’d have a stronger case to argue with ANet for a more reliable way to acquire specific skins.

Some collections require obtaining an item to unlock, are we sure there isn’t?

Fractal tonic.

By the Six, having that as the unlock item that would be horrible indeed.

Lilith Ajit.6173:

Jerus.4350:

Zaxares.5419:

I guess it’s a mixed blessing that there isn’t a Fractal Weapon Collection. On the one hand, it won’t drive us collectors mad. On the other hand, if there was a collection, we’d have a stronger case to argue with ANet for a more reliable way to acquire specific skins.

Some collections require obtaining an item to unlock, are we sure there isn’t?

Fractal tonic.

You read my mind. And ohh man I’d laugh my kitten off if that opened up a fractal weapon collection.

Zaxares.5419:

By the Six, having that as the unlock item that would be horrible indeed.

See that anet? Maybe you should a hired me afterall. I’m creative and brutal in my playerbase torment.

hey, 10 points for 19 skins (:

Wait, it exists?? O.o How did you unlock it?

EDIT: Scratch that. I just saw the category it belonged to. XD Nice picture.

Zaxares.5419:

Wait, it exists?? O.o How did you unlock it?

Flame and Frost. <:

right click on a fractal skin and choose ‘’item collection achievment’’
its the only way i get to that category ..

NovaanVerdiano.6174:

LordByron.8369:

No you didn’t they fixed ANY possible way to ress many months ago.
Lot of times passed but if i remember correctly rtop was 38.
And not uneven levels.

Also you are going with your word against a spreadsheet of thousands and thousands of reports.

That is making you the exception.

A spreadsheet is an average of thousands of tries. Why is it unlikely that he had bad luck? It says that the chance SHOULD be 18,9%, that doesn’t mean it is. A weapon drop for every fifth player (thus one weapon each run) does not have to happen. It is a player-crafted statistic, nothing more, nothing less.
I for my part didn’t have much luck with my fractals I ran around either (Around Lv20-30 most of the time). Droprates were better back then (and I think they were okay like this), but they weren’t as glorious as some people make them out to be.

As i said i can believe he had bad luck.
Bud he told me i am spreading lies and not he was unlucky…there is difference.
They were totally bearable.
And at that time they were scaling properly.
So if you did 20/30 you weren t unlucky, you simply were playing with lower chances.

Nowaday level 3X gives more than level 50 instead.

The problem was the duplicates and for that there are lot of suggestions.

YouThisReadWrong.8429:

right click on a fractal skin and choose ‘’item collection achievment’’
its the only way i get to that category ..

I can’t do that.

hey, so you just right click and choose this option then you should get to the fractal weapon collection achievment.

Suggestion:

Would be cool if they added Box of Fractal weapons with possibility of choosing skin we want, it gets frustrating when you keep getting same skins at this low drop rate.

well despite i would totally expect it from anet, would be pointless rewarding a fractal box for fotm skins completion.

LordByron.8369:

well despite i would totally expect it from anet, would be pointless rewarding a fractal box for fotm skins completion.

Maybe it would count towards placement on the Fractal Leadeboard?

SkyFallsInThunder.8257:

LordByron.8369:

well despite i would totally expect it from anet, would be pointless rewarding a fractal box for fotm skins completion.

Maybe it would count towards placement on the Fractal Leadeboard?

New feature: once all fractal weapons and tonic is unlocked, you receive an account buff that no longer lets you enter fractals. This is to promote a less toxic environment and to prevent elitists from screwing up fractals

Or something

Lilith Ajit.6173:

SkyFallsInThunder.8257:

LordByron.8369:

well despite i would totally expect it from anet, would be pointless rewarding a fractal box for fotm skins completion.

Maybe it would count towards placement on the Fractal Leadeboard?

New feature: once all fractal weapons and tonic is unlocked, you receive an account buff that no longer lets you enter fractals. This is to promote a less toxic environment and to prevent elitists from screwing up fractals

Or something

Hahaha that made me giggle, but then again the statistic for people having those items is guaranteed to be 0.. If a player has those said items they now convert the fractal tonic in the toilet to receive the Rngesus tonic. Skill 1 of tonic: ‘Confusion Cleanse’ Steal all skills (minus the auto attack) of anyone under level 80 to allow them to think clearly in Guild Wars 2.

YouThisReadWrong.8429:

hey, so you just right click and choose this option then you should get to the fractal weapon collection achievment.

I tried, I can’t do that. It doesn’t show the option.

No. I was talking about fractal rewards when completing 4th instance not collection. I think we can all agree that after Fractured patch skin drops were reduced significantly. At this low rate getting 2 torches etc feels really bad. Box of Fractal weapons would fix this. It would be much more rewarding if players had ability to choose skin instead of receiving skin duplicates.

SkyFallsInThunder.8257:

LordByron.8369:

well despite i would totally expect it from anet, would be pointless rewarding a fractal box for fotm skins completion.

Maybe it would count towards placement on the Fractal Leadeboard?

They removed the ladderboard because new players were being left by their girlfriends, in pvp i guess.

P.S. i tried to right click a skin and i can t get to fractal collection…
Was it a Photoshop or there is really a fractal collection?

LordByron.8369:

SkyFallsInThunder.8257:

LordByron.8369:

well despite i would totally expect it from anet, would be pointless rewarding a fractal box for fotm skins completion.

Maybe it would count towards placement on the Fractal Leadeboard?

They removed the ladderboard because new players were being left by their girlfriends, in pvp i guess.

P.S. i tried to right click a skin and i can t get to fractal collection…
Was it a Photoshop or there is really a fractal collection?

I’m not kidding there is a fractal collection..
I have no idea why you guys can not see it actually

YouThisReadWrong.8429:

hey, 10 points for 19 skins (:

to tell the truth if you look at icons they seems shopped since the borders are uncoherent with other collection screens.

And since you are the only one to claim that i’ll guess its shopped <.<

YouThisReadWrong.8429:

LordByron.8369:

SkyFallsInThunder.8257:

LordByron.8369:

well despite i would totally expect it from anet, would be pointless rewarding a fractal box for fotm skins completion.

Maybe it would count towards placement on the Fractal Leadeboard?

They removed the ladderboard because new players were being left by their girlfriends, in pvp i guess.

P.S. i tried to right click a skin and i can t get to fractal collection…
Was it a Photoshop or there is really a fractal collection?

I’m not kidding there is a fractal collection..
I have no idea why you guys can not see it actually

All the collections have green background, the picture you linked has purple… I’d say it is fake.

IceVyper.6810:

YouThisReadWrong.8429:

LordByron.8369:

SkyFallsInThunder.8257:

LordByron.8369:

well despite i would totally expect it from anet, would be pointless rewarding a fractal box for fotm skins completion.

Maybe it would count towards placement on the Fractal Leadeboard?

They removed the ladderboard because new players were being left by their girlfriends, in pvp i guess.

P.S. i tried to right click a skin and i can t get to fractal collection…
Was it a Photoshop or there is really a fractal collection?

I’m not kidding there is a fractal collection..
I have no idea why you guys can not see it actually

All the collections have green background, the picture you linked has purple… I’d say it is fake.

hey, so maybe this will convince you guys ?!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CWswwMahZyA&feature=youtu.be

While we’re at it, getting duplicated skins is very annoying.
Getting the same Malicious chest of ascended boots 6 times too.
Got wup wup boots for every armor class now and 3 unopened left.

YouThisReadWrong.8429:

hey, so you just right click and choose this option then you should get to the fractal weapon collection achievment.

I don’t see the achievement neither. Do you need to have all skins to unlock the acheivement? I have 10 of 19 only.
Also, why don’t you have the “use” option to your skin? (Just curious, not saying it’s fake of course)

luzt.7692:

While we’re at it, getting duplicated skins is very annoying.
Getting the same Malicious chest of ascended boots 6 times too.
Got wup wup boots for every armor class now and 3 unopened left.

Proud owner of six healing chests of ascended shoulders here….