Guild Wars 2

Hello everyone,

First of all, this is by no means of whining about fractals being too hard or the loot being bad, it’s about the players who join a higher level fractal that don’t know what to do and aren’t willing to listen.

With the disconnecting issues being fixed, I started playing Fractals again and joined a group from gw2lfg and set off to doing Fractals LvL 36. Our first fractal was the asura one, we made it fine to Old Tom, we started stacking tears and were deciding who gets which position but suddenly our warrior rushed into the boss.

The tear mechanic starts at lvl 10 and I am sure by the time you reach 36 you should learn that tears are stacked (not necessarily needed but we were a low a dps group 2 guardian 1 ele, mes, war). Upon a short conversation we learned he wasn’t on lvl36 or anywhere close, just wanted to join.

Previously when we wanted to do 36, everyone was 36 or higher. It took longer to set up a group but at least people knew what to do.

I am sure there are exceptions, really skilled players who can skip first 35 levels but lets admit it, this is very rare.

I still think, players should be able to join levels higher than their levels but I think there should be a cap to it like Personal Level+5. Otherwise in time, noone will trust the pugs or most of the runs will go terribly wrong.

Brutallyk.1250:

Hello everyone,

First of all, this is by no means of whining about fractals being too hard or the loot being bad, it’s about the players who join a higher level fractal that don’t know what to do and aren’t willing to listen.

With the disconnecting issues being fixed, I started playing Fractals again and joined a group from gw2lfg and set off to doing Fractals LvL 36. Our first fractal was the asura one, we made it fine to Old Tom, we started stacking tears and were deciding who gets which position but suddenly our warrior rushed into the boss.

The tear mechanic starts at lvl 10 and I am sure by the time you reach 36 you should learn that tears are stacked (not necessarily needed but we were a low a dps group 2 guardian 1 ele, mes, war). Upon a short conversation we learned he wasn’t on lvl36 or anywhere close, just wanted to join.

Previously when we wanted to do 36, everyone was 36 or higher. It took longer to set up a group but at least people knew what to do.

I am sure there are exceptions, really skilled players who can skip first 35 levels but lets admit it, this is very rare.

I still think, players should be able to join levels higher than their levels but I think there should be a cap to it like Personal Level+5. Otherwise in time, noone will trust the pugs or most of the runs will go terribly wrong.

Why that does cause some issues… I don’t know if a change or a limit is in order just because someone lied about their fractal level.

However, this issue is easily remedied by removing the warrior and being able to bring someone new with ease… and if this player didn’t inform the group of lack of experience, I wouldn’t expect the group to keep him around unless he put on a clown suit and did magic tricks.

Not a Serious issue with fractals imo. Annoying for sure though.

Gearcheck before you start. Many many many times I have caught people with little to no AR trying to hitch a ride on a 30+ team, or full MF sets. I get called scum, elitist, bad, w/e I really don’t care, I don’t make groups to carry people.

Oh and yes, you can always remove people at any time now which helps.

noone will trust the pugs

Here’s the bulletin: nobody trusts PUGs.

While I understand the frustration, it’d be more helpful to be able to see the personal Fractal level of each player prior to entering the Asura Gate, and let people decide for themselves whether they want to carry.

Sinsko.9342:

Brutallyk.1250:

Hello everyone,

First of all, this is by no means of whining about fractals being too hard or the loot being bad, it’s about the players who join a higher level fractal that don’t know what to do and aren’t willing to listen.

With the disconnecting issues being fixed, I started playing Fractals again and joined a group from gw2lfg and set off to doing Fractals LvL 36. Our first fractal was the asura one, we made it fine to Old Tom, we started stacking tears and were deciding who gets which position but suddenly our warrior rushed into the boss.

The tear mechanic starts at lvl 10 and I am sure by the time you reach 36 you should learn that tears are stacked (not necessarily needed but we were a low a dps group 2 guardian 1 ele, mes, war). Upon a short conversation we learned he wasn’t on lvl36 or anywhere close, just wanted to join.

Previously when we wanted to do 36, everyone was 36 or higher. It took longer to set up a group but at least people knew what to do.

I am sure there are exceptions, really skilled players who can skip first 35 levels but lets admit it, this is very rare.

I still think, players should be able to join levels higher than their levels but I think there should be a cap to it like Personal Level+5. Otherwise in time, noone will trust the pugs or most of the runs will go terribly wrong.

Why that does cause some issues… I don’t know if a change or a limit is in order just because someone lied about their fractal level.

However, this issue is easily remedied by removing the warrior and being able to bring someone new with ease… and if this player didn’t inform the group of lack of experience, I wouldn’t expect the group to keep him around unless he put on a clown suit and did magic tricks.

Not a Serious issue with fractals imo. Annoying for sure though.

Removing that player and bringing someone else isn’t a solution. That player might be the instance owner resulting in everyone being kicked from the fractal.

Worse, to me, is the people now who really are level 10-40 but still get rolled at level 10 because they have never learned the dungeon. They have jumped in groups way beyond their skill set and been carried by others soo far that they think they are masters of the dungeon but cannot even keep from being downed by the aoe from the end boss of the frozen fractal….ugg…rant off

swiftpaw.6397:

Gearcheck before you start. Many many many times I have caught people with little to no AR trying to hitch a ride on a 30+ team, or full MF sets. I get called scum, elitist, bad, w/e I really don’t care, I don’t make groups to carry people.

Oh and yes, you can always remove people at any time now which helps.

Gear check isn’t a solution.
-For AR it is helpful, you can see 3 infused items and may assume 30 AR but it can only be 15.
-As for MF sets, I carry 3 sets of armor with me and I am sure most people have an extra set too. Link the berserker/knight whatever you are wearing, run with MF set, dont think anyone would bother previewing the item and matching it with the other player.

Brutallyk.1250:

Sinsko.9342:

Brutallyk.1250:

Hello everyone,

First of all, this is by no means of whining about fractals being too hard or the loot being bad, it’s about the players who join a higher level fractal that don’t know what to do and aren’t willing to listen.

With the disconnecting issues being fixed, I started playing Fractals again and joined a group from gw2lfg and set off to doing Fractals LvL 36. Our first fractal was the asura one, we made it fine to Old Tom, we started stacking tears and were deciding who gets which position but suddenly our warrior rushed into the boss.

The tear mechanic starts at lvl 10 and I am sure by the time you reach 36 you should learn that tears are stacked (not necessarily needed but we were a low a dps group 2 guardian 1 ele, mes, war). Upon a short conversation we learned he wasn’t on lvl36 or anywhere close, just wanted to join.

Previously when we wanted to do 36, everyone was 36 or higher. It took longer to set up a group but at least people knew what to do.

I am sure there are exceptions, really skilled players who can skip first 35 levels but lets admit it, this is very rare.

I still think, players should be able to join levels higher than their levels but I think there should be a cap to it like Personal Level+5. Otherwise in time, noone will trust the pugs or most of the runs will go terribly wrong.

Why that does cause some issues… I don’t know if a change or a limit is in order just because someone lied about their fractal level.

However, this issue is easily remedied by removing the warrior and being able to bring someone new with ease… and if this player didn’t inform the group of lack of experience, I wouldn’t expect the group to keep him around unless he put on a clown suit and did magic tricks.

Not a Serious issue with fractals imo. Annoying for sure though.

Removing that player and bringing someone else isn’t a solution. That player might be the instance owner resulting in everyone being kicked from the fractal.

It’s not a solution because what you’re dealing with really isn’t a GENUINE problem.
A genuine problem that COULD use a fix would be: Kicking someone, and they are the instance owner causes the rest of the group to be removed.

You’re running a PUG group and no matter what limitations there are in game, there will be issues. It’s just the nature of the beast. I’m not saying I don’t sympathize, cause I really do. However putting on an arbitrary restriction isn’t a solution in this situation… do your best to prevent it, and there are ways of doing that.

I run 28 with 5 ar, while some pugs request 15 or even once I saw 25.
Last run, I got defeated once. No agony involved, we were facing the 30 dredges while planting the bombs and we messed up a bit, causing 3 people to die. You probably get downed at the maw twice with the unavoidable agony; my team wasted 3 flipping seconds (so more or less 7 in total) to ress me from downed state. Got downed once at the dredge powersuit because I was ressing a defeated player and didn’t notice the agony attack.
Am I an amazing player? Nope. I can’t solo dungeons, I’m not a min/maxer with optimized gear, I’m not one of those player you admire for their skill. I’m not even experienced with fractals, not that much, I’m quite bad when it comes to tactics.
I can dodge.
You waste time blaming the system, while you should blame the players and the essence of pugs itself. Random. You can get everything. No gating system will save you. Noone will trust the pugs, hm. Well… think about what Ojimaru said.
I have nothing else to say, heading to bed, good luck with your future runs.

cannot even keep from being downed by the aoe from the end boss of the frozen fractal….ugg…rant off

Sometimes players get caught out of position. I know I do occasionally. Fractals is another good skill check aka l2p your profession. In another thread someone said focus for mesmer is a situational weapon. Considering your other options and especially when it comes to the fracts, no it isnt. Even better some mesmers seem to have only one weapon, ie the greatsword.

deSade.9437:

You waste time blaming the system, while you should blame the players and the essence of pugs itself. Random. You can get everything. No gating system will save you. Noone will trust the pugs, hm. Well… think about what Ojimaru said.
I have nothing else to say, heading to bed, good luck with your future runs.

I think you haven’t read what I’ve written on my first post. I have started with " this is by no means of whining about fractals being too hard or the loot being bad, it’s about the players who join a higher level fractal that don’t know what to do and aren’t willing to listen". I am blaming the players but the players are there because the system allows them to be there now. This wasn’t the case a month ago, so I now blame the system. Players are random I know, we can’t expect everyone to be outstanding players but I’d expect people who post on gw2lfg to do a CoF speed run to know the mechanics. Not going inside and attacking Gaheron and complaining that he is invul.

Ojimaru’s suggestion is actually pretty good. In addition to that inspecting people’s gear would also be a great improvement.

Brutallyk.1250:

Sinsko.9342:

Brutallyk.1250:

Hello everyone,

First of all, this is by no means of whining about fractals being too hard or the loot being bad, it’s about the players who join a higher level fractal that don’t know what to do and aren’t willing to listen.

With the disconnecting issues being fixed, I started playing Fractals again and joined a group from gw2lfg and set off to doing Fractals LvL 36. Our first fractal was the asura one, we made it fine to Old Tom, we started stacking tears and were deciding who gets which position but suddenly our warrior rushed into the boss.

The tear mechanic starts at lvl 10 and I am sure by the time you reach 36 you should learn that tears are stacked (not necessarily needed but we were a low a dps group 2 guardian 1 ele, mes, war). Upon a short conversation we learned he wasn’t on lvl36 or anywhere close, just wanted to join.

Previously when we wanted to do 36, everyone was 36 or higher. It took longer to set up a group but at least people knew what to do.

I am sure there are exceptions, really skilled players who can skip first 35 levels but lets admit it, this is very rare.

I still think, players should be able to join levels higher than their levels but I think there should be a cap to it like Personal Level+5. Otherwise in time, noone will trust the pugs or most of the runs will go terribly wrong.

Why that does cause some issues… I don’t know if a change or a limit is in order just because someone lied about their fractal level.

However, this issue is easily remedied by removing the warrior and being able to bring someone new with ease… and if this player didn’t inform the group of lack of experience, I wouldn’t expect the group to keep him around unless he put on a clown suit and did magic tricks.

Not a Serious issue with fractals imo. Annoying for sure though.

Removing that player and bringing someone else isn’t a solution. That player might be the instance owner resulting in everyone being kicked from the fractal.

The player can’t be the instance owner since he wouldn’t be able to enter 30 and beyond due to his lower personal level.

On topic: the system could indeed be improved by showing every party member’s personal level.

I think this is a good idea, but does need for the levels to change to account bound.
From taking my Ele through fractals, I’ve got my alts enough AR to survive, plus enough experience to know the areas.
One thing I love about the change is being able to take other chars through fractals without needing to repeat the 1-10 learning stage over and over, and don’t see any need to lose that benefit.

Niila Nuppunen.9875:

Brutallyk.1250:

Sinsko.9342:

Brutallyk.1250:

Hello everyone,

First of all, this is by no means of whining about fractals being too hard or the loot being bad, it’s about the players who join a higher level fractal that don’t know what to do and aren’t willing to listen.

With the disconnecting issues being fixed, I started playing Fractals again and joined a group from gw2lfg and set off to doing Fractals LvL 36. Our first fractal was the asura one, we made it fine to Old Tom, we started stacking tears and were deciding who gets which position but suddenly our warrior rushed into the boss.

The tear mechanic starts at lvl 10 and I am sure by the time you reach 36 you should learn that tears are stacked (not necessarily needed but we were a low a dps group 2 guardian 1 ele, mes, war). Upon a short conversation we learned he wasn’t on lvl36 or anywhere close, just wanted to join.

Previously when we wanted to do 36, everyone was 36 or higher. It took longer to set up a group but at least people knew what to do.

I am sure there are exceptions, really skilled players who can skip first 35 levels but lets admit it, this is very rare.

I still think, players should be able to join levels higher than their levels but I think there should be a cap to it like Personal Level+5. Otherwise in time, noone will trust the pugs or most of the runs will go terribly wrong.

Why that does cause some issues… I don’t know if a change or a limit is in order just because someone lied about their fractal level.

However, this issue is easily remedied by removing the warrior and being able to bring someone new with ease… and if this player didn’t inform the group of lack of experience, I wouldn’t expect the group to keep him around unless he put on a clown suit and did magic tricks.

Not a Serious issue with fractals imo. Annoying for sure though.

Removing that player and bringing someone else isn’t a solution. That player might be the instance owner resulting in everyone being kicked from the fractal.

The player can’t be the instance owner since he wouldn’t be able to enter 30 and beyond due to his lower personal level.

On topic: the system could indeed be improved by showing every party member’s personal level.

If this player was on the overflow with some one who did have the Scale he was able to start it without neccesarily having it.