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Posted by: Mortifer.2946

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So, arenanet “fixed” pressure plates so players cannot stand on them while they are dead….. really? how are we supposed to do this fractal? I would like to see some dev who designed it.

Just delete it already.

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Posted by: Iris Ng.9845

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It’s as easy as it has ever been

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Posted by: Dalanor.5387

Dalanor.5387

Stealth.

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Posted by: Mortifer.2946

Mortifer.2946

Yeah, so no more “you can do every dungeon in any party”

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Posted by: Ayrilana.1396

Ayrilana.1396

Yeah, that strategy was removed last November. You can clear one side and have someone kite the other. There’s either a specific dredge or certain threshold of killed dredge that causes a respawn.

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Posted by: Dalanor.5387

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Tbh, thieves are sooooo good in all fractals, it’s a crime to not bring one.

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Posted by: Wethospu.6437

Wethospu.6437

Just kill all normal enemies. Stand on plates and do it.

Just kill all normal enemies. Stand on plates and do it.

You can’t kill all of them, because that causes respawn. Now depending on your party setup, it tends to be quite difficult at times if you don’t know what to do. Always bring a guard and thief would be a safe alternative. If not, have someone (that did not open) swap out at the beginning of that fractal.

There is plenty of time. You only have to stand there 10 seconds.

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Posted by: Romo.3709

Romo.3709

Just kill all normal enemies. Stand on plates and do it.

You can’t kill all of them, because that causes respawn. Now depending on your party setup, it tends to be quite difficult at times if you don’t know what to do. Always bring a guard and thief would be a safe alternative. If not, have someone (that did not open) swap out at the beginning of that fractal.

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Posted by: KenSniper.8690

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Bring 4 thieves (not kidding), stealth at the entrance, one thief left, one right, 2 to button, first button thief refuge then press button, second thief refuge again to help keep the button thief stealth up, then you win, change back to whatever class you were, bring sword mainhand to remove the move from those pesky boon gong bangers

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Posted by: Iris Ng.9845

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o.o" 4 thieves… really? How’s about only a thief and a mesmer?

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Posted by: VideoGamermike.5813

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Yeah, so no more “you can do every dungeon in any party”

you do realize this is kind of the point right? I mean sure you shouldn’t be able to win a dungeon easily with every party, but if someone can prove it’s not truly viable(without a lot of luck) to pass without requiring stealth(and thusly mesmer or theif) thats a legit complaint.

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Posted by: KenSniper.8690

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o.o" 4 thieves… really? How’s about only a thief and a mesmer?

oh its just strat, 3 thieves can do it too really, basically anything with stealth long enough to stand on the buttons, mesmer’s mass invisi and veil helps, though im afraid that the decoy might cause some unnecessary aggro or that an engi’s blasts might aggro as well =/, but mesmer’s timewarp would most definitely help the button presser!

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Posted by: VideoGamermike.5813

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Kensiper again your missing the point. You shouldn’t have to have a specific class list, sure it should be expected to have a variation, but not ‘you need to have a theif/mesmer," which seems to me to the complaint here, which no one seems to have answered if that’s actually realistic or not.

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Posted by: KenSniper.8690

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Kensiper again your missing the point. You shouldn’t have to have a specific class list, sure it should be expected to have a variation, but not ‘you need to have a theif/mesmer," which seems to me to the complaint here, which no one seems to have answered if that’s actually realistic or not.

i understand what you mean, truth be told i hated the fact that my group had to rely on stealth to do it effectively, even in CM there will be thieves to solo stealth bomb the asuran equipments,

i totally feel you brah, i started and main a necro, and no one wants me in their party ;_; so i conform like a little babby and made a zerkjerk warrior that everyone and their moms have

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Posted by: Embrace The Bold.7619

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Kensiper again your missing the point. You shouldn’t have to have a specific class list, sure it should be expected to have a variation, but not ‘you need to have a theif/mesmer," which seems to me to the complaint here, which no one seems to have answered if that’s actually realistic or not.

i understand what you mean, truth be told i hated the fact that my group had to rely on stealth to do it effectively, even in CM there will be thieves to solo stealth bomb the asuran equipments,

i totally feel you brah, i started and main a necro, and no one wants me in their party ;_; so i conform like a little babby and made a zerkjerk warrior that everyone and their moms have

No! Don’t conform I love you necros and your wells! but to note to op if no ones got stealth then youre screwed

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Posted by: Seerstrange.4723

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The re spawn is pretty slow and you can clear one side to free up the party to 3 man the other while a mesmer or thief stealth the switch. Not that I like this fractal it can burn in hell but its not as hard as people think.

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Posted by: VideoGamermike.5813

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The re spawn is pretty slow and you can clear one side to free up the party to 3 man the other while a mesmer or thief stealth the switch. Not that I like this fractal it can burn in hell but its not as hard as people think.

Read the thread, tis not the difficulty, its that your forced to take a mesmer or theif with specific skills, if you don’t have them, you can’t win reasonably.

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Posted by: Advent Leader.1083

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If you need a class to PuG and have most utilities, I suggest rolling engineer. Not much DPS, but it can shoehorn in for a thief/mes/ele.

Edit 2: That’s might/vuln/stealth stacking.

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Posted by: Ropechef.6192

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Every class has a sequence of skills and utilities than can be used to good effect on either standing on the plates. or kiting or the switch.

it CAN be done. you just have to think about the encounter and what will be usefull. and what is going to be usefull along side of your team.

edit: to fix spelling cause i suck at typing.

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Posted by: Svetli.4276

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start kyte the mobs and open fast
good team play
do not dps you will die
have good defense
pray you don’t get bombs after that

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Posted by: Flissy.4093

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If you need a class to PuG and have most utilities, I suggest rolling engineer. Not much DPS, but it can shoehorn in for a thief/mes/ele.

Edit 2: That’s might/vuln/stealth stacking.

Except you will get kicked for not being a Zerker Warrior or a Healing Guardian.

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Posted by: Kupper.8074

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Get 4 people into the cage (5th is at the second button opening the door), clear one side leaving the vet alive because he has more health than the final boss. 1 person stands on the plate, 1 person is on the console and the other 2 go far side. When both buttons are pressed the 5th person can join and help kite, alternatively, the 5th can be the console presser.

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Posted by: Iris Ng.9845

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Learn from the pro: http://youtu.be/YSqKqpiN_34
Mesmer is there for portal, not just stealth. There is only one instance when Mass Invi is used. Please watch it carefully.

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Posted by: Silberfisch.3046

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Honestly, even if don’t have the option to reroll or acess to specific classes, that room is nevertheless doable.
Is ist more difficult? Hell yes. Is it impossible? By all means, no.

It’s already been pointed out. Kill some of the mobs but not all, have someone kite the remaining. The kiter might be in for some fun time depending on what kind of dredge they have to kite, but that can actually be influenced by what you leave alive and what dies before that stage.
I’ve done the kiting part a couple of times myself before I had a thief to reroll for that part.

And honestly: Fractals are supposed to be our challenging PvE endgame, especially on higher levels.
If you ask for them to be done “easily with any party”, Mike, your looking at the wrong content in that case.

Edit: I seem to use the word “honestly” to often. My apologies.

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Posted by: Ayrilana.1396

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The re spawn is pretty slow and you can clear one side to free up the party to 3 man the other while a mesmer or thief stealth the switch. Not that I like this fractal it can burn in hell but its not as hard as people think.

Read the thread, tis not the difficulty, its that your forced to take a mesmer or theif with specific skills, if you don’t have them, you can’t win reasonably.

You are not forced to take a thief or Mesmer for that fractal.

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Posted by: Wethospu.6437

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Just kill all normal enemies. Stand on plates and do it.

There is plenty of time. You only have to stand there 10 seconds.

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Posted by: linuxotaku.4731

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The re spawn is pretty slow and you can clear one side to free up the party to 3 man the other while a mesmer or thief stealth the switch. Not that I like this fractal it can burn in hell but its not as hard as people think.

Read the thread, tis not the difficulty, its that your forced to take a mesmer or theif with specific skills, if you don’t have them, you can’t win reasonably.

At fractal level 49, this might be close to true — I’ve done it only once at that level, and I switched to thief and it made the run a lot less painful. But I’ve done this at lower levels in PUGs (up through 36/38, though not all the levels between — e.g. it’d be nearly impossible at 33) without stealth; the pressure plates puzzle is not that bad if you know how to set yourself up to tank or kite, and understand how to manage aggro.

OTOH — bombs is not fun and IMO not good design; without stealth, it can be really, really painful. I’ve done it without stealth at lower levels, and while not impossible it sure is frustrating.

EDIT: Oh, and to be clearer: I think it appropriate that at the hardest level of content, you should be forced to play more optimal builds, potentially including a requirement that you have one of some class(es). (Though the switch can be done with spy kits instead, if cameo is enough, stealth is easier to use.) So even if your statement were true, I would disagree that it is a problem if you’re required to consider the content when choosing classes … at least at the top level of difficulty.

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Posted by: Seerstrange.4723

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Read the thread, tis not the difficulty, its that your forced to take a mesmer or theif with specific skills, if you don’t have them, you can’t win reasonably.

Then yea I agree I hate this fractal the mechanics in it suck and for some reason people can’t seem to stay out of the aoe on the last boss.

Hot tip: Stop back peddling turn and run out of aoes, don’t even need to roll

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Posted by: Ayrilana.1396

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OTOH — bombs is not fun and IMO not good design; without stealth, it can be really, really painful. I’ve done it without stealth at lower levels, and while not impossible it sure is frustrating.

Only the few dredge at the base of the ramp truly respawn infinitely. One method would be to clear all of the dredge on the ramp, detonate 3 bombs, fall back to lose aggro, repeat the process again and detonate 4 bombs. It’s less frustrating than the kamikaze method many people adopted.

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Posted by: linuxotaku.4731

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OTOH — bombs is not fun and IMO not good design; without stealth, it can be really, really painful. I’ve done it without stealth at lower levels, and while not impossible it sure is frustrating.

Only the few dredge at the base of the ramp truly respawn infinitely. One method would be to clear all of the dredge on the ramp, detonate 3 bombs, fall back to lose aggro, repeat the process again and detonate 4 bombs. It’s less frustrating than the kamikaze method many people adopted.

Yeah, this is the approach which I’ve found least frustrating. But with subsequent PUGs, I couldn’t convince them to clear enough, and we kept having the bombers pick up some of our bombs. Eventually we got through, but …

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Posted by: Azrael.4960

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My guild pretty much hasn’t got anyone that rolled a thief and regularly uses it. Usually hard mode dredges. Takes a few goes, always good for a laugh and a facepalm when we wipe

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Posted by: Ayrilana.1396

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A skilled thief does make that fractal so much easier and quicker. Someone from DnT did videos showing how quickly you could do various sections. They essentially bypassed the entire cannon path up to the door with a thief in one video.

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Posted by: pdavis.8031

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I don’t know what you are talking about. I’ve run the dredge fractal many times all with PUG groups and almost never have issues with the plates. Granted it is generally on lower levels (I’m reward level 16) but still we’ve never had to have a thief or mesmer for stealth to do the plates part. We usually send someone up, guardian or myself, (valk warrior) to hold the first plate while everyone runs through, and again with the second one. The last part, the dps will kite and defend the others. Not really a big issue…

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Posted by: Wethospu.6437

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My rough estimate is that thrash enemies deal 75% more damage in scale 49 than scale 16.

Scale back to F0, scale up to F49, add 2 enemy levels worth of damage
1 / (1+16 * 0.03) *( 1+49 * 0.03) * 1.03 * 1.03 = 1.77

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