Guild Wars 2

It looks like diminishing returns kicks in after your first run of FOTM “any level” and resets back after a patch/update. This has happened for me now every time (50 FOTM “DAILY” runs)

My last daily run directly after a patch was more rewarding for me then the next week put together.
And that was only on level 10.
I got 3 Globs of mist, 7 rares, 2 exotics, 1 loadstone, 4 core, and an ascended ring (no MF at all) and other runs after update’s have been similar. ( all other daily runs gave me nothing but a few cores maybe 1 rare… no ring )

I’ve also had this exact same experience with the mystic toilet.
Put in 100 rare L75+ weapons after a patch and got back 9 exotics
Put in 100 rare L75+ weapons a day later and got back 2 exotics

So DR is something that stays with you for a long time until an update comes out and resets the DR along with resource node locations ext.

You get lucky on a single run and decide you got DR? Even without DR … 7 rares, 2 exotics and 3 globs is a ton of drops on FotM10. Average is 2-3 rares and 0 globs.

Furthermore, Mystic Forge is not influenced by DR at all…

Your conclusion makes no sense.

But developers stated that there’s no DR for fractals at all.
On the other hand I heard there was rumored system in GW1 that granted increased drops to any first-timer.

Developers stated that the reason Final Rest hadn’t dropped was because people hadn’t farmed the event enough. Then a month later they say they had forgotten to turn the drop on. Today Final Rest is worth ~12g.

Draw your own inferences.

I’ve never heard them own up to not turning the drop on for Final Rest.

It is painfully obvious that that is what happened, given the number of drops since patch. But official responses I have seen still state that it was on the drop table pre patch.

Again, to go from no drops to quite a bunch in one night is more than just an increase in the drop chance. One of these would have dropped long before the patch if it was indeed in the drop table.

My most profitable fractal runs have always been after ignoring it for a week or more.

marnick.4305:

You get lucky on a single run and decide you got DR? Even without DR … 7 rares, 2 exotics and 3 globs is a ton of drops on FotM10. Average is 2-3 rares and 0 globs.

Furthermore, Mystic Forge is not influenced by DR at all…

Your conclusion makes no sense.

Like i said.. this has happens after "every single patch update so far.. not a single run . every single run I’ve done have after a patch i hit the jackpot.. After that each daily run is a worthless waste of time for drops! .. wait until the next patch.. Bingo Drops like CRAZY again… this is not some random fluke its FACT!

Xynn.2748:

Developers stated that the reason Final Rest hadn’t dropped was because people hadn’t farmed the event enough. Then a month later they say they had forgotten to turn the drop on. Today Final Rest is worth ~12g.

Draw your own inferences.

Not what they said. They upped the droprate from 0.00000000001% on a bugged event to 0.0001% on a working event. Your post is just needless conjecture.

VidGhost.3215:

marnick.4305:

You get lucky on a single run and decide you got DR? Even without DR … 7 rares, 2 exotics and 3 globs is a ton of drops on FotM10. Average is 2-3 rares and 0 globs.

Furthermore, Mystic Forge is not influenced by DR at all…

Your conclusion makes no sense.

Like i said.. this has happens after "every single patch update so far.. not a single run . every single run I’ve done have after a patch i hit the jackpot.. After that each daily run is a worthless waste of time for drops! .. wait until the next patch.. Bingo Drops like CRAZY again… this is not some random fluke its FACT!

You got lucky several times and your reptile brain requires you to find a pattern. Even without any shred of evidence you commit to the first hint of a pattern and call it a fact.

You got lucky several times. By chance it was twice after a patch. That doesn’t make your theory a fact though, it is a guess, and a bad one at that. Not that I blame you, people always need a pattern, even when there’s none. It’s just human to see things that ain’t there.

Evidence is needed, not a hunch about some weird drops that happen once in a blue moon. Even if that blue moon coincides with a patch now and then. Your isolated experience does not constitute as valid proof.

Fractals even worth doing? I just did another 50 runs according to my relics and have seen about 3 rings ( that I dont need) and 0 skins. The drops are poor and the salvages on them are pretty depressing. It seems alot more profitable to do any other dungeon.. it’s just a shame I want the skins so bad -_-

Winds.3087:

But developers stated that there’s no DR for fractals at all.
On the other hand I heard there was rumored system in GW1 that granted increased drops to any first-timer.

Developers also stated that there was never a nerf to loot in fractals, and everyone that was running fractals dailies 30+ and 40+ knows for a fact that there was a shadow nerf and then they turned around and buffed all the mobs, made it all harder and gave us lousier drops. Thats why everyone is talking about leaving, unless they make big changes and soon, this is the best dungeon in the game and they keep messing it up.

Rama.6439:

Winds.3087:

But developers stated that there’s no DR for fractals at all.
On the other hand I heard there was rumored system in GW1 that granted increased drops to any first-timer.

Developers also stated that there was never a nerf to loot in fractals, and everyone that was running fractals dailies 30+ and 40+ knows for a fact that there was a shadow nerf and then they turned around and buffed all the mobs, made it all harder and gave us lousier drops. Thats why everyone is talking about leaving, unless they make big changes and soon, this is the best dungeon in the game and they keep messing it up.

they stealth buff fotm mobs every single patch actually quite annoying….(this from an avid fotm player….).

I mean.. why on earth do you have warriors to hit for 18734 dmg at lvl 20?
Same thing for dredges.

i expect they will hit for 50.000 before may….if they keep this road.

Every single patch i just look at those warriors damage to see even more unreasonable numbers -.- (and its after you evaded first burst).

On the other hand, I found that if you bring marsh frog with you, your odds for good loot will be increased by half! I run cof p1 p2 daily on 3 chars and my guardian that reserved inventory slot for this wonderful trophy, gets 4-6 rares from chests, while mesmer and elementalist get nothing. Unbelievable, almost… exploitable. I’m not talking about just how lucky guardians are by default, that’s all about marsh frog. If I give guardian’s marsh frog to my elementalist, my ele’s luck will be surely increased.
Live test subjects that got stack of these allmighty frogs, well, they are just overburdened by exotic and rare loots from any fractal level.
Get your lucky one(bloodtide coast north, just outside of LA exit) before anet culls their population or release agressive frog-eating champion drake that will eat them all!

Wow, good to know! I better stock up on these frogs then before the march patch..

Ok this is my run history from when FOTM first came out.. if you think it means nothing then so be it but after so many runs its really only Anet that knows what is going on… Same thing with the mystic forge. Over months and months.

Run FOTM ( Only 1 Daily Run per day )

First run after a parch
1. 8 Gold worth of loot ( Awesome ) + ring
2. 1 Gold worth of loot ( Sometimes less) no ring
3. 1 Gold worth of loot ( Sometimes less) no ring
4. 1 Gold worth of loot ( Sometimes less) no ring
5. 1 Gold worth of loot ( Sometimes less) no ring
6. 1 Gold worth of loot ( Sometimes less) no ring
7. 1 Gold worth of loot ( Sometimes less) no ring

Patch comes out again resetting nodes and DR then i run it again.

8. 8 Gold worth of loot ( Awesome ) + ring
9. 1 Gold worth of loot ( Sometimes less) no ring
10. 1 Gold worth of loot ( Sometimes less) no ring
11. 1 Gold worth of loot ( Sometimes less) no ring
12. 1 Gold worth of loot ( Sometimes less) no ring
13. 1 Gold worth of loot ( Sometimes less) no ring
14. 1 Gold worth of loot ( Sometimes less) no ring

Keep this going for another 80 days, same thing every single time nothing ever changes.
no ring no good loot… I only get it every time i get a patch..
Im still yet to NOT get a ring after a patch!

Sooner or later everyone will realize fractals is not remotely worth running unless you need the relics.

Drops suck. Chests drop blues all day. Mobs drop kitten. Just leave fotm in the dead content category. Reason: stealth nerfs.

people run fotm because its fun and because they want rare skins..
Everybody knows the rewards are the worst in game…..

its quite clear they try to tell players what to do changing loot and stuff…

When they released fotm it dropped better than anything other…they overnerfed it and buffed other activities rewards…

Resulting in what we have now.

Btw their priority is not drops they first need to fix unfun things against players..
Dredge, cliffside and harpies on top of all but also underwater.

LordByron.8369:

people run fotm because its fun and because they want rare skins..
Everybody knows the rewards are the worst in game…..

its quite clear they try to tell players what to do changing loot and stuff…

When they released fotm it dropped better than anything other…they overnerfed it and buffed other activities rewards…

Resulting in what we have now.

Btw their priority is not drops they first need to fix unfun things against players..
Dredge, cliffside and harpies on top of all but also underwater.

I have been running this very aggressively as of late in the hopes of attaining Fotm skins. I just came to the rather sad realisation that in the time I’ve wasted working my kitten off for one measly fotm skin, I could have attained another legendary.. And I still haven’t gotten that kitten fotm skin lol. There seems to be a trend when it comes to overnerfing things with A-net doesn’t there. XD