Guild Wars 2

Anet, you are either trying to make this game more accessible to everyone or you are not. Please choose which one. The gates closing and opening on CoF are worthless and annoying. Don’t see the point. And if you bothered to look at the NA servers on 3rd party websites you will take note that most servers have their gates closed permanently. Please do away with these ridiculous gates. Yours truly.

1. Gates on dungeons force a player to use a third party site in order to find out which server that specific dungeon is open on. This is a problem. For instance, one such third party site used for this was either down or had issues. Secondly, I don’t feel a player should have to use a third party site in order to access in game information.
2. These gate events require the player to find other players to team up with to pve the gates open. Not many ppl are willing or are up for this type of event. In other words, it’s easier to find a group of ppl to run the dungeon than it is to open the dungeon. If the events were soloable it would be a different story. However, they are not.

Same with Crucible of Eternity. Thank you.

CoF takes 10 minutes to open with a party of 5 intelligent people.

It is because noone is playing the game, but shhh, don’t tell anyone.

They will tell you to guest on a full server and everything is ok. This seems to be the temporary solution. If you want a permanent solution, buy gems and migrate to the top 3 servers, otherwise you are pretty much borked on PvE content.

Nah, they will say, if I don’t like the game, I should play something else. Problem, I like the game somehow, just not the countless flaws. Like why do we not just merge all those empty servers? Because we expect millions of players to come back out of the blue some day?

I do not know.

I can make a full party of 80’s right now and get inside with 5 people. Your just being lazy and do not want to open the doors.

People are playing the game they just may not want to do those dungeons.

It takes less than a minute to guest to a server where it is open.

Windu The Forbidden One.6045:

It takes less than a minute to guest to a server where it is open.

How do you know what server is open? Using a third party website? Just so happens that third party website is kittened this fine afternoon. So now what?

Ominous.7583:

I can make a full party of 80’s right now and get inside with 5 people. Your just being lazy and do not want to open the doors.

People are playing the game they just may not want to do those dungeons.

Then go do it. Go open the gate. Post on here, when you’re done, the server its on.

You can google what servers got what open, and fanboyism is the biggest cancer in the world.

The CoF gate chain is easily done with a group of 5; having around 10 for the final part of it would help, but you could manage with less. It just takes a bit of time because of the escort. And as others have said, the full CoE gate chain can be done in about 15 minutes, from start to finish.

Why would I open COF just so you can do the dungeon when I have no intention of doing it today ???? make a group and open it yourself. Take some initiative, No one is going to hand you anything in this game or in real life.

That’s like the people who aren’t doing Lyssa because it takes 5 mins to do the pres… But join immediately with their guild zerg when you can attack her.

Regardless, they need to make it stay open a reasonable amount of time once it’s opened before the defend event triggers. Two hours or so.

siralius.9517:

Windu The Forbidden One.6045:

It takes less than a minute to guest to a server where it is open.

How do you know what server is open? Using a third party website? Just so happens that third party website is kittened this fine afternoon. So now what?

http://www.gw2state.com/temples.html
It can be off sometimes but it’s almost always accurate and if it isn’t man up and open those gates.

RoseofGilead.8907:

And as others have said, the full CoE gate chain can be done in about 15 minutes, from start to finish.

That’s roughly how long it takes for me to solo whole chain on my war. Should be much faster with 5 people.

Also, CoF gate? It doesn’t need to be open to enter wink wink

Embrace The Bold.7619:

siralius.9517:

Windu The Forbidden One.6045:

It takes less than a minute to guest to a server where it is open.

How do you know what server is open? Using a third party website? Just so happens that third party website is kittened this fine afternoon. So now what?

http://www.gw2state.com/temples.html
It can be off sometimes but it’s almost always accurate and if it isn’t man up and open those gates.

Man up, huh? Literate it up and try reading the thread before posting. These issues were already addressed by me in my FIRST post.

CoF/CoE gates:
http://jsfiddle.net/q9cPY/embedded/result/

frifox.5283:

CoF/CoE gates:
http://jsfiddle.net/q9cPY/embedded/result/

Okay, once we get ANet to confirm that this third party site or any other third party site used for these events, are safe to use then I have no problem using them.

How could they possibly not be safe to use?

What I’d say is that these events should stop triggering at night. Where it’s not this much of a bother to guest a server to enter the dungeon, at that time you’ll find NO server where the dungeon is open.
Everyone who has to run dungeons at 2-3 am (Like me in some periods) knows what I am talking about.
It’s even a miracle to fill a team, and you have to see everyone leave because it’s impossible to enter and there is not enough people in the whole map to succeed them.

siralius.9517:

Embrace The Bold.7619:

siralius.9517:

Windu The Forbidden One.6045:

It takes less than a minute to guest to a server where it is open.

How do you know what server is open? Using a third party website? Just so happens that third party website is kittened this fine afternoon. So now what?

http://www.gw2state.com/temples.html
It can be off sometimes but it’s almost always accurate and if it isn’t man up and open those gates.

Man up, huh? Literate it up and try reading the thread before posting. These issues were already addressed by me in my FIRST post.

Aside from the last event of the chain you can solo it and getting two people is not that hard. In addition that site has NEVER been down for me I have to use it daily. If it’s not open on any servers go to the the one that says attacking and do the event. It doesn’t ruin accessibility anyone can do the event. So what if you have to do the event? It doesn’t take a lot of time and if you don’t have that amount of time why are you playing in the first place? It’s like saying Fotm lvl 10+ isn’t accessible to you because you invested the time to get to that level.

In addition that website has never gone down for me and if it did I’d use another one, Google is a thing after all. Don’t forget other games you have to use third party sites to know when certain things are happening or when they should happen. I don’t see this as an issue and I have no idea why you do, what would you suggest? A system that ques you up for a dungeon(which the community will hate on forever)? Another intrusive UI element just to see when events pop cross server(which I’m sure there’s an app for)? This issue is a minor inconvenience at best and because of that it will never be addressed as we don’t have a dedicated dungeon lead anymore. That’s why I say man up because there’s no point in complaining about it since nothing will happen.

Embrace The Bold.7619:

siralius.9517:

Embrace The Bold.7619:

siralius.9517:

Windu The Forbidden One.6045:

It takes less than a minute to guest to a server where it is open.

How do you know what server is open? Using a third party website? Just so happens that third party website is kittened this fine afternoon. So now what?

http://www.gw2state.com/temples.html
It can be off sometimes but it’s almost always accurate and if it isn’t man up and open those gates.

Man up, huh? Literate it up and try reading the thread before posting. These issues were already addressed by me in my FIRST post.

Aside from the last event of the chain you can solo it and getting two people is not that hard. In addition that site has NEVER been down for me I have to use it daily. If it’s not open on any servers go to the the one that says attacking and do the event. It doesn’t ruin accessibility anyone can do the event. So what if you have to do the event? It doesn’t take a lot of time and if you don’t have that amount of time why are you playing in the first place? It’s like saying Fotm lvl 10+ isn’t accessible to you because you invested the time to get to that level.

In addition that website has never gone down for me and if it did I’d use another one, Google is a thing after all. Don’t forget other games you have to use third party sites to know when certain things are happening or when they should happen. I don’t see this as an issue and I have no idea why you do, what would you suggest? A system that ques you up for a dungeon(which the community will hate on forever)? Another intrusive UI element just to see when events pop cross server(which I’m sure there’s an app for)? This issue is a minor inconvenience at best and because of that it will never be addressed as we don’t have a dedicated dungeon lead anymore. That’s why I say man up because there’s no point in complaining about it since nothing will happen.

I’m against using third party websites to retrieve in game information. Is this not clear for you? If Anet is not going to nerf the gates then a player should be able to scroll over the locked gate in which case a list will appear displaying servers that have the gate open.

Furthermore, as someone posted above, if they are going to make these events necessary the gates should be opened for a decent amount of time afterwards.
Bottom line, the way these events to unlock dungeons’ gates are at present time, are no good. They were made with the idea of the game being heavily populated and a player-base that is just thrilled to tackle the events and willing to put in the work. This is obviously not the case. Hence, a decent amount of servers’ dungeons on perma lock. Anet needs to rework this situation in order to keep up with the availability of dungeon access.

Lastly, what are we talking about here, exactly? A locked dungeon? For what? Are you really going to miss the event that unlocks these dungeon gates? Or are you here for arguments sake?

Pip.2094:

and there is not enough people in the whole map to succeed them.

can solo coe (true)

can solo cof (doubtful speculation)
can duo cof (probably)
with a party you can definitely do cof. guest over. profit.

edit: people are lazy and anet put too much faith in them. in a perfect world this wouldn’t be an issue. unfortunately it isn’t and this should and will probably be fixed.

cough Facilitating Friendly Play cough

RemiRome.8495:

Pip.2094:

and there is not enough people in the whole map to succeed them.

can solo coe (true)

can solo cof (doubtful speculation)
can duo cof (probably)
with a party you can definitely do cof. guest over. profit.

How can you solo CoE, boss which teleports all over the area and rests HP ? O.o
How you keep the champion abomination busy while in same time clearing mobs coming from 2 sides in CoF?
Ahahahah you dude don’t run dungeons with pugs often and mostly not at night! Like 3/4 times I get people leaving team even when I state I am going to guest a server where it’s open, think if they’d even guest your server or any other server to help you do the event! Maybe if you got 4 friends to do this stuff with, otherwise, please don’t talk nonsense, it offends yourself.

siralius.9517:

Aside from the last event of the chain you can solo it and getting two people is not that hard. In addition that site has NEVER been down for me I have to use it daily. If it’s not open on any servers go to the the one that says attacking and do the event. It doesn’t ruin accessibility anyone can do the event. So what if you have to do the event? It doesn’t take a lot of time and if you don’t have that amount of time why are you playing in the first place? It’s like saying Fotm lvl 10+ isn’t accessible to you because you invested the time to get to that level.

Aw. Someone with tighter restrictions than ANet!

If you decide to cripple yourself based on unnecessary principles, go live by it and be bitter about it quietly.

If ANet is so against 3rd party websites, they wouldn’t have released the API codes for the world bosses and events, etc.

Which is why I said doubtful on the solo.

CoE boss does not teleport all over though. It’s 4 spots if I remember correctly and only one of those is even remotely in danger of resetting him if you’re unlucky / not fast enough. Of course you’d already know this if you ever bothered to try or paid any sort of attention at all during the fight.

frifox.5283:

That’s roughly how long it takes for me to solo whole chain on my war. Should be much faster with 5 people.

as confirmed earlier in the thread.

xallever.1874:

siralius.9517:

Aside from the last event of the chain you can solo it and getting two people is not that hard. In addition that site has NEVER been down for me I have to use it daily. If it’s not open on any servers go to the the one that says attacking and do the event. It doesn’t ruin accessibility anyone can do the event. So what if you have to do the event? It doesn’t take a lot of time and if you don’t have that amount of time why are you playing in the first place? It’s like saying Fotm lvl 10+ isn’t accessible to you because you invested the time to get to that level.

Aw. Someone with tighter restrictions than ANet!

If you decide to cripple yourself based on unnecessary principles, go live by it and be bitter about it quietly.

If ANet is so against 3rd party websites, they wouldn’t have released the API codes for the world bosses and events, etc.

Principle? I have to use a third party website in order to navigate an MMO? What year is this? If you support mediocrity and live by it, be satisfied by it quietly.

I have to agree with op im a big dungeon runner but on occasion i will completely skip cof if its closed on all servers( i play off peak hours). Generally not everyone will guest and help you with the event too, they will wait until your finished doing it. Doing the event with 2 people is possible but difficult cause of the champ. Idk why so many are argueing against this suggestion. It’s obviously more convenient for everybody if cof just stayed open all the time like the majority of dungeons.

siralius.9517:

xallever.1874:

siralius.9517:

Aside from the last event of the chain you can solo it and getting two people is not that hard. In addition that site has NEVER been down for me I have to use it daily. If it’s not open on any servers go to the the one that says attacking and do the event. It doesn’t ruin accessibility anyone can do the event. So what if you have to do the event? It doesn’t take a lot of time and if you don’t have that amount of time why are you playing in the first place? It’s like saying Fotm lvl 10+ isn’t accessible to you because you invested the time to get to that level.

Aw. Someone with tighter restrictions than ANet!

If you decide to cripple yourself based on unnecessary principles, go live by it and be bitter about it quietly.

If ANet is so against 3rd party websites, they wouldn’t have released the API codes for the world bosses and events, etc.

Principle? I have to use a third party website in order to navigate an MMO? What year is this? If you support mediocrity and live by it, be satisfied by it quietly.

Mediocrity is expecting everything to be handed down to you, which is exactly what you’re doing.

Open the gates yourself, or check the site or come whine here.

RemiRome.8495:

CoE boss does not teleport all over though. It’s 4 spots if I remember correctly and only one of those is even remotely in danger of resetting him if you’re unlucky / not fast enough.

Fortunately, ANet did change his aggro range a while back so he does not reset as long as you’re anywhere on the platforms. You have all the time in the world to solo him. In fact, between teleports you even lose combat and heal right back up.

Also, ANet provided us with API for a reason. They encourage us to code 3rd party tools that interact with game data.

siralius.9517:

Principle? I have to use a third party website in order to navigate an MMO? What year is this? If you support mediocrity and live by it, be satisfied by it quietly.

What year is this? You’ll find the year is 2010s. All the other MMOs also have 3rd party sites eventually giving people a lot more information than the official sites.

Oh, we have been satisfied quietly. So I don’t think you have a point.

Your logic is hilarious if you expect GW2 to provide the crafting features as well as the guide to the cheapest/fastest/most efficient way of leveling, considering how they designed it to supposedly be “fun and explorative”.

So there will always be a case for 3rd party sites.

You guys are hilarious, coming onto an MMO forum talking about ppl whining. But seriously, let’s stay on topic. Stop turning this into a third party website good/bad discussion. This thread is about the gate lock dungeon event mechanic being silly and pointless.

Agreed. It’s simple enough to either check the websites and guest accordingly, or just do the events but the bottom line is that the pre-events don’t really add any value to your playtime.

I’m guessing that this is some sort of necessary control mechanism on ANet’s side though. Can’t have any and everyone running these dungeons willy nilly, exchanging tokens for Rares and flooding the market with ectos.

siralius.9517:

You guys are hilarious, coming onto an MMO forum talking about ppl whining. But seriously, let’s stay on topic. Stop turning this into a third party website good/bad discussion. This thread is about the gate lock dungeon event mechanic being silly and pointless.

Honestly, it ruins my immersion when the Wurm is up and I can still just walk into TA.

I think they have a point with these events. Sorry you dont.

Aidan Savage.2078:

CoF takes 10 minutes to open with a party of 5 intelligent people.

When a dungeon takes more time to open than to complete you know you got a problem.

I solo all events for CoE opening on a regular basis (with guard, mes, and ele), and have duoed CoF with war, mes, guard. Yeah, it takes some time to do, but the mobs for CoF drop a decent amount of bags (last time i did it i got 20ish) and you can get a champ bag too if you manage to actually kill the effigy (you don’t need to, the trash is what really makes the event fail).

CoE is so easy solo its not even funny. I did it with a level 75 full glass build ele wearing blues once even. The pre events are trivial, and the final boss hits very softly with obvious tells. Heck he even has a reflectable attack (the big AoEs he sends out) that hurt can him pretty bad. You can even die and run back from the WP currently and he probably won’t reset. If you get in trouble you can always jump into the water and swim away from the fish. You don’t get as much for doing this, but you are for sure getting a champ bag for your efforts (and lots of karma for doing all the pres if you still need to earn that).

Lilith Ajit.6173:

siralius.9517:

You guys are hilarious, coming onto an MMO forum talking about ppl whining. But seriously, let’s stay on topic. Stop turning this into a third party website good/bad discussion. This thread is about the gate lock dungeon event mechanic being silly and pointless.

Honestly, it ruins my immersion when the Wurm is up and I can still just walk into TA.

I think they have a point with these events. Sorry you dont.

Well, I guess that about wraps it up then. I thought my post had a point but apparently, it doesn’t. Thanks to Lilith, I see that now. Kudos to you that participated. Anet you can shut this thread down now because Lilith has made it clear that this thread is pointless. Thank you all for coming and participating in this pointless thread :P

Immersion lol. You kitten me? That’s a good one, Lilith.

siralius.9517:

Lilith Ajit.6173:

siralius.9517:

You guys are hilarious, coming onto an MMO forum talking about ppl whining. But seriously, let’s stay on topic. Stop turning this into a third party website good/bad discussion. This thread is about the gate lock dungeon event mechanic being silly and pointless.

Honestly, it ruins my immersion when the Wurm is up and I can still just walk into TA.

I think they have a point with these events. Sorry you dont.

Well, I guess that about wraps it up then. I thought my post had a point but apparently, it doesn’t. Thanks to Lilith, I see that now. Kudos to you that participated. Anet you can shut this thread down now because Lilith has made it clear that this thread is pointless. Thank you all for coming and participating in this pointless thread :P

Immersion lol. You kitten me? That’s a good one, Lilith.

I didn’t say your post had no point. I said I think there is a point to the events. You don’t need to attack me.

Putting lore and open world content/story continuity tied to the CoF and CoE aside;
The contested system is a relic of a time when:
- there was no guesting
- bosses dropped good silver on kill (exempt from diminishing returns)
- completing each path gave money and tokens with diminishing returns
Which led people farm CoF and/Coe back to back (charged cores/lodes in case of Coe) The contesting of the entrance to the dungeons would help to slow it down.

Seeing as the three points above changed and people no longer do more than once each path each day, they should change the duration of uncontested gates so they stay open longer AND in the case of CoF, remove that long timer on Razen escort spawn, and change his start location to that tent where the nearest alltime open waypoint to CoF.

By the way any professions with ranged targeted warping ability can bypass the CoF contested gates by running forward and warping at the right corner of gate wall meeting the mountain. Sure getting it right is a pain in the dolyak for your eyes but it works. Ps: thieves make this a cakewalk.

Kajin.5301:

By the way any professions with ranged targeted warping ability can bypass the CoF contested gates by running forward and warping at the right corner of gate wall meeting the mountain. Sure getting it right is a pain in the dolyak for your eyes but it works. Ps: thieves make this a cakewalk.

While that’s true, every profession can get this done by simply dodging at the right spot. Perhaps it’s nicer to use a thief cause it would be faster to get to the gate.

Kajin.5301:

Putting lore and open world content/story continuity tied to the CoF and CoE aside;
The contested system is a relic of a time when:
- there was no guesting
- bosses dropped good silver on kill (exempt from diminishing returns)
- completing each path gave money and tokens with diminishing returns
Which led people farm CoF and/Coe back to back (charged cores/lodes in case of Coe) The contesting of the entrance to the dungeons would help to slow it down.

Seeing as the three points above changed and people no longer do more than once each path each day, they should change the duration of uncontested gates so they stay open longer AND in the case of CoF, remove that long timer on Razen escort spawn, and change his start location to that tent where the nearest alltime open waypoint to CoF.

By the way any professions with ranged targeted warping ability can bypass the CoF contested gates by running forward and warping at the right corner of gate wall meeting the mountain. Sure getting it right is a pain in the dolyak for your eyes but it works. Ps: thieves make this a cakewalk.

Thank you for summing up the outdated usefulness of this mechanic. I am a player who likes to do a round robin of most dungeons per day. CoF is not farmed any more. I would like to get into this dungeon, complete the paths I need and move on.

As I stated earlier, If this event were somehow more solo friendly, I would have no problem banging it out, as I am a player who takes initiative. For a small example, I am the player who guests to an open server and enters CoF BEFORE I spam in LFG for a party (As opposed to those players who forms a party and asks who can open); among other things. So the ppl on here trying to blast me as lazy and wanting stuff handed to me are directing their ire at the wrong guy.

There are times when these dungeon gate unlock events make sense. The event to open Arah, for instance. The battle to the gate is epic and lures the players in to a thrilling battle for access to this dungeon. However, the CoF event to unlock the gate is nothing more than a nuisance. It does nothing for the story of CoF or for the players experience in respects to the game.

I’m sorry to those that feel I am trying to nerf the game. It’s really not what I am aiming for. I just call a spade a spade. So, in conclusion, I say this, either make this dungeon gate unlock event worthwhile and interesting, rework it so it’s not so much of an “UGH” moment or get rid of it. Simple as that.

such a minor issue…

If people spent half of the time they spend here arguing on completing those events or guesting, they would be done with the dungeons quicker.

Oh well, the less dungeons they run, the less gold is created out of thin air, so it helps the economy that they waste their time complaining about stuff no one cares about.