Got Kicked without a Reason
Of course it’s hard to judge based on the limited information in this post. I would not take a kick within the first 5 minutes of a fractal personally — a minor transgression, or poor performance in the previous fractals, could have been the reason.
That said, I would consider running back to the fire (where the svanir were) after every phase change “incorrect.” I would only run back if it was clear the group would wipe.
First of all we began the Fractal normal. Every Phase Change someone of this Guildgroup died and 3 ppl was after 10 secs down. Noone of us worte something what ppl can insult. I was running back to keep no reset the source. It was a quite Group without any Problems. The Mesmer was afk in the 2nd phase and I Wrote this in Group Chat. One ppl of this Guild startet vote Kick. And we didnt make any Mistake to give the ppl a Reason to Kick. Well then if noone wanna do that against this likely ppl I record every Fractal Run.
…and I Wrote this in Group Chat…
That’s your kick reason, most likely.
If it was a group of 3+ guildies, just don’t even bother. Some of them are major kittens. I got kicked from a guild-group back when I was always pugging because I asked at an old 50 mai trin why the guardian didn’t bring WoR (wasn’t even insulting). There’s people who don’t take that kind of kitten well for whatever reasons.
because I asked at an old 50 mai trin why the guardian didn’t bring WoR (wasn’t even insulting). There’s people who don’t take that kind of kitten well for whatever reasons.
Maybe because WoR is useless at Mai Trin? The spin can’t be reflect and the teleport shot will only teleport the guardain to mai trin if he reflect it. I’m not saying that’s a good reason to kick you, but I can understand if you start talking to them as if they don’t know what to bring to the fight while yourself asking for useless skill.
Thaddeauz [xQCx]- QC GUILD
because I asked at an old 50 mai trin why the guardian didn’t bring WoR (wasn’t even insulting). There’s people who don’t take that kind of kitten well for whatever reasons.
Maybe because WoR is useless at Mai Trin? The spin can’t be reflect and the teleport shot will only teleport the guardain to mai trin if he reflect it. I’m not saying that’s a good reason to kick you, but I can understand if you start talking to them as if they don’t know what to bring to the fight while yourself asking for useless skill.
Well, considering no one was able to block the shots instead and they just… well, ate everything, porting Mai through the room every time… yes, WoR would’ve been more helpful than what the guardian had slotted. It’s also about 2 years ago so meh.
And believe me, they didn’t know what to bring for that (or any) fight since reflects were lacking through the first three fractals too (uncat iirc among others) and their utility choices in general were rather questionable too. w/e though.
…and I Wrote this in Group Chat…
That’s your kick reason, most likely.
If it was a group of 3+ guildies, just don’t even bother. Some of them are major kittens. I got kicked from a guild-group back when I was always pugging because I asked at an old 50 mai trin why the guardian didn’t bring WoR (wasn’t even insulting). There’s people who don’t take that kind of kitten well for whatever reasons.
Pretty much this. When in Rome, do as the Romans do.
That has always been my rule of thumb when running with guild groups I do not know. Your opinions might not be shared by them. They might even be annoyed by this random pug trying to boss them around.
Be nice and ask first, only give careful advice. They might even listen and actually apprechiate it, in the end.
This not meat to be rude at all, but, when you join a guild group, if they are winning, the best thing to do is keep your mouth shut and and focus on getting it done. If you are unhappy with their progress, leave. Don’t expect any of the guild mates to take your side, even if you are in the right.
There are two kinds of gamers, salty, and extra salty
Not a full story. You said what they did. We don’t know what YOU did. This can go either way. No point in us commenting without knowing what happened.
If they were fighting those eles and you were busy securing an escape route, i would want to kick too. If you were running around pulling all eles, that would be the same case.
I would call it out the first or second time it happens, but that’s about it. Just because they didn’t say anything, doesn’t mean you didn’t make any mistakes. But also doesn’t mean you made any mistakes.
Not everyone knows about the trick of running back to the first bonfire at the phase changes in the elemental source fight. I only heard about it a week ago. If they didn’t know what you were doing, they may have thought you were a complete idiot. Also, issue with pugs is you never know if the other member speak english. Maybe they just kicked you out of frustration. I could write a book about all the stupid, rude, and illogical behavior I’ve observed in pugs.
Osu
When in Rome, do as the Romans do.
Just don’t be a kitten – don’t ask disingenuous, insinuating questions (“Why didn’t you do x [you stoopid scrub]?”) and don’t challenge people you don’t know, because you have no idea how they’re going to respond.
Sometimes people take comments lightly, sometimes they don’t; if you want to minimise unpredictable reactions from strangers, keep your godkitten mouth shut.
When in Rome, do as the Romans do.
Just don’t be a kitten – don’t ask disingenuous, insinuating questions (“Why didn’t you do x [you stoopid scrub]?”) and don’t challenge people you don’t know, because you have no idea how they’re going to respond.
Sometimes people take comments lightly, sometimes they don’t; if you want to minimise unpredictable reactions from strangers, keep your godkitten mouth shut.
I disagree if your to insecure you cannot handle a healthy opinion or criticism then you have no business being online period, how can you handle holding down a job and going out in the world if you cannot handle a comment like that in a game?
Now if your rude about it thats another story, but really if you care about what everyone else thinks then your life will be really hard, its one thing to listen to take criticism as something that might be true about you and another to let everyone else control how you feel.
When in Rome, do as the Romans do.
Just don’t be a kitten – don’t ask disingenuous, insinuating questions (“Why didn’t you do x [you stoopid scrub]?”) and don’t challenge people you don’t know, because you have no idea how they’re going to respond.
Sometimes people take comments lightly, sometimes they don’t; if you want to minimise unpredictable reactions from strangers, keep your godkitten mouth shut.I disagree if your to insecure you cannot handle a healthy opinion or criticism then you have no business being online period, how can you handle holding down a job and going out in the world if you cannot handle a comment like that in a game?
Now if your rude about it thats another story, but really if you care about what everyone else thinks then your life will be really hard, its one thing to listen to take criticism as something that might be true about you and another to let everyone else control how you feel.
Do you actually go around in real life blurting out unsolicited advice at your co-workers and random people?
There are two kinds of gamers, salty, and extra salty
When in Rome, do as the Romans do.
Just don’t be a kitten – don’t ask disingenuous, insinuating questions (“Why didn’t you do x [you stoopid scrub]?”) and don’t challenge people you don’t know, because you have no idea how they’re going to respond.
Sometimes people take comments lightly, sometimes they don’t; if you want to minimise unpredictable reactions from strangers, keep your godkitten mouth shut.I disagree if your to insecure you cannot handle a healthy opinion or criticism then you have no business being online period, how can you handle holding down a job and going out in the world if you cannot handle a comment like that in a game?
Now if your rude about it thats another story, but really if you care about what everyone else thinks then your life will be really hard, its one thing to listen to take criticism as something that might be true about you and another to let everyone else control how you feel.
The thing is people actually don’t care about handling comments or think/don’t think about criticism in daily runs. Because it’s a game not the real world and if you just want to get your fractal content done (which is not very hard) many players won’t need any advice or smart a_sses who know better even though they are doing minor mistakes after a hard day of work or so.
“Healthy opinions” LOL – That could be a broad spectrum and isn’t always clear for everyone. So, it’s better to shut up instead of saying anything that can be turned against you. Believe me, most of the comments/actions of pug players in fractals are just annoying and unnecessary.
Took me 3 runs of the dungeon to get the bug.
When in Rome, do as the Romans do.
Just don’t be a kitten – don’t ask disingenuous, insinuating questions (“Why didn’t you do x [you stoopid scrub]?”) and don’t challenge people you don’t know, because you have no idea how they’re going to respond.
Sometimes people take comments lightly, sometimes they don’t; if you want to minimise unpredictable reactions from strangers, keep your godkitten mouth shut.I disagree if your to insecure you cannot handle a healthy opinion or criticism then you have no business being online period, how can you handle holding down a job and going out in the world if you cannot handle a comment like that in a game?
Now if your rude about it thats another story, but really if you care about what everyone else thinks then your life will be really hard, its one thing to listen to take criticism as something that might be true about you and another to let everyone else control how you feel.
Do you actually go around in real life blurting out unsolicited advice at your co-workers and random people?
Well no, but when your in a group your also spending not only your time but others peoples time as well, so if for some reason someone is hindering the group then yea id say its fine to give them some healthy advice, also people give advice in the game and forums all the time what is so different when your in a group?
And actually I do give random advice at times in rl and guess what people dont usually get offended because I can do it without sounded like a jerk. Like I said if thats something people find offensive then the issue is with them.
When in Rome, do as the Romans do.
Just don’t be a kitten – don’t ask disingenuous, insinuating questions (“Why didn’t you do x [you stoopid scrub]?”) and don’t challenge people you don’t know, because you have no idea how they’re going to respond.
Sometimes people take comments lightly, sometimes they don’t; if you want to minimise unpredictable reactions from strangers, keep your godkitten mouth shut.I disagree if your to insecure you cannot handle a healthy opinion or criticism then you have no business being online period, how can you handle holding down a job and going out in the world if you cannot handle a comment like that in a game?
Now if your rude about it thats another story, but really if you care about what everyone else thinks then your life will be really hard, its one thing to listen to take criticism as something that might be true about you and another to let everyone else control how you feel.
The thing is people actually don’t care about handling comments or think/don’t think about criticism in daily runs. Because it’s a game not the real world and if you just want to get your fractal content done (which is not very hard) many players won’t need any advice or smart a_sses who know better even though they are doing minor mistakes after a hard day of work or so.
“Healthy opinions” LOL – That could be a broad spectrum and isn’t always clear for everyone. So, it’s better to shut up instead of saying anything that can be turned against you. Believe me, most of the comments/actions of pug players in fractals are just annoying and unnecessary.
Well so are actions by group members, especially when you make it clear what kind of pug your wanting in the lfg text.
When in Rome, do as the Romans do.
Just don’t be a kitten – don’t ask disingenuous, insinuating questions (“Why didn’t you do x [you stoopid scrub]?”) and don’t challenge people you don’t know, because you have no idea how they’re going to respond.
Sometimes people take comments lightly, sometimes they don’t; if you want to minimise unpredictable reactions from strangers, keep your godkitten mouth shut.I disagree if your to insecure you cannot handle a healthy opinion or criticism then you have no business being online period, how can you handle holding down a job and going out in the world if you cannot handle a comment like that in a game?
Now if your rude about it thats another story, but really if you care about what everyone else thinks then your life will be really hard, its one thing to listen to take criticism as something that might be true about you and another to let everyone else control how you feel.
Do you actually go around in real life blurting out unsolicited advice at your co-workers and random people?
Well no, but when your in a group your also spending not only your time but others peoples time as well, so if for some reason someone is hindering the group then yea id say its fine to give them some healthy advice, also people give advice in the game and forums all the time what is so different when your in a group?
And actually I do give random advice at times in rl and guess what people dont usually get offended because I can do it without sounded like a jerk. Like I said if thats something people find offensive then the issue is with them.
First, since you support giving unsolicited advice, here is some unsolicited advice. If you are in a guild group, and no one else has an issue with how one of their guild mates is playing, then don’t worry about it, if they wanted your advice on how to play, they would ask for it.
Now, let me ask, how does that advice make you feel?
You seem to disagree with all the advice that everyone else has unanimously given on the subject, and it seems you don’t like being told how to act, now, take that feeling, put that in the game, and apply that to being told how to play, and it should become clear why people don’t welcome unsolicited advice.
There are two kinds of gamers, salty, and extra salty
When in Rome, do as the Romans do.
Just don’t be a kitten – don’t ask disingenuous, insinuating questions (“Why didn’t you do x [you stoopid scrub]?”) and don’t challenge people you don’t know, because you have no idea how they’re going to respond.
Sometimes people take comments lightly, sometimes they don’t; if you want to minimise unpredictable reactions from strangers, keep your godkitten mouth shut.I disagree if your to insecure you cannot handle a healthy opinion or criticism then you have no business being online period, how can you handle holding down a job and going out in the world if you cannot handle a comment like that in a game?
Now if your rude about it thats another story, but really if you care about what everyone else thinks then your life will be really hard, its one thing to listen to take criticism as something that might be true about you and another to let everyone else control how you feel.
Do you actually go around in real life blurting out unsolicited advice at your co-workers and random people?
Well no, but when your in a group your also spending not only your time but others peoples time as well, so if for some reason someone is hindering the group then yea id say its fine to give them some healthy advice, also people give advice in the game and forums all the time what is so different when your in a group?
And actually I do give random advice at times in rl and guess what people dont usually get offended because I can do it without sounded like a jerk. Like I said if thats something people find offensive then the issue is with them.
First, since you support giving unsolicited advice, here is some unsolicited advice. If you are in a guild group, and no one else has an issue with how one of their guild mates is playing, then don’t worry about it, if they wanted your advice on how to play, they would ask for it.
Now, let me ask, how does that advice make you feel?
You seem to disagree with all the advice that everyone else has unanimously given on the subject, and it seems you don’t like being told how to act, now, take that feeling, put that in the game, and apply that to being told how to play, and it should become clear why people don’t welcome unsolicited advice.
There is big difference between being offended by advice and disagreeing with it, you missed the point entirely. Like I said, some people just need to grow thicker skin, there are many people out there would prefer to know something they may be doing that is causing problems for themselves or others, yes this is a game setting and if they want to play a certain way thats fine to but people should still be aware of the other ways as well just so they know.
When in Rome, do as the Romans do.
Just don’t be a kitten – don’t ask disingenuous, insinuating questions (“Why didn’t you do x [you stoopid scrub]?”) and don’t challenge people you don’t know, because you have no idea how they’re going to respond.
Sometimes people take comments lightly, sometimes they don’t; if you want to minimise unpredictable reactions from strangers, keep your godkitten mouth shut.I disagree if your to insecure you cannot handle a healthy opinion or criticism then you have no business being online period, how can you handle holding down a job and going out in the world if you cannot handle a comment like that in a game?
Now if your rude about it thats another story, but really if you care about what everyone else thinks then your life will be really hard, its one thing to listen to take criticism as something that might be true about you and another to let everyone else control how you feel.
Do you actually go around in real life blurting out unsolicited advice at your co-workers and random people?
Well no, but when your in a group your also spending not only your time but others peoples time as well, so if for some reason someone is hindering the group then yea id say its fine to give them some healthy advice, also people give advice in the game and forums all the time what is so different when your in a group?
And actually I do give random advice at times in rl and guess what people dont usually get offended because I can do it without sounded like a jerk. Like I said if thats something people find offensive then the issue is with them.
First, since you support giving unsolicited advice, here is some unsolicited advice. If you are in a guild group, and no one else has an issue with how one of their guild mates is playing, then don’t worry about it, if they wanted your advice on how to play, they would ask for it.
Now, let me ask, how does that advice make you feel?
You seem to disagree with all the advice that everyone else has unanimously given on the subject, and it seems you don’t like being told how to act, now, take that feeling, put that in the game, and apply that to being told how to play, and it should become clear why people don’t welcome unsolicited advice.
There is big difference between being offended by advice and disagreeing with it, you missed the point entirely. Like I said, some people just need to grow thicker skin, there are many people out there would prefer to know something they may be doing that is causing problems for themselves or others, yes this is a game setting and if they want to play a certain way thats fine to but people should still be aware of the other ways as well just so they know.
It seems that you are missing the whole issue, you think people get offended or their feelings got hurt by unsolicited advice, nothing could be further from the truth, to hurt someone’s feeling, they need to care what you think of them, and that’s the whole point why no one likes unsolicited advice, they don’t respect that person enough to value their input, hence why they didn’t ask for it to start with.
So, what’s easier to do mid dungeon/fractal, Kick them and hope they can learn the lesson on their own, or waste the time trying to educate them in a polite enough way as to not start some ego kittening contest, that if you wanted their advice, you would have asked.
There are two kinds of gamers, salty, and extra salty
When in Rome, do as the Romans do.
Just don’t be a kitten – don’t ask disingenuous, insinuating questions (“Why didn’t you do x [you stoopid scrub]?”) and don’t challenge people you don’t know, because you have no idea how they’re going to respond.
Sometimes people take comments lightly, sometimes they don’t; if you want to minimise unpredictable reactions from strangers, keep your godkitten mouth shut.I disagree if your to insecure you cannot handle a healthy opinion or criticism then you have no business being online period, how can you handle holding down a job and going out in the world if you cannot handle a comment like that in a game?
Now if your rude about it thats another story, but really if you care about what everyone else thinks then your life will be really hard, its one thing to listen to take criticism as something that might be true about you and another to let everyone else control how you feel.
Do you actually go around in real life blurting out unsolicited advice at your co-workers and random people?
Well no, but when your in a group your also spending not only your time but others peoples time as well, so if for some reason someone is hindering the group then yea id say its fine to give them some healthy advice, also people give advice in the game and forums all the time what is so different when your in a group?
And actually I do give random advice at times in rl and guess what people dont usually get offended because I can do it without sounded like a jerk. Like I said if thats something people find offensive then the issue is with them.
First, since you support giving unsolicited advice, here is some unsolicited advice. If you are in a guild group, and no one else has an issue with how one of their guild mates is playing, then don’t worry about it, if they wanted your advice on how to play, they would ask for it.
Now, let me ask, how does that advice make you feel?
You seem to disagree with all the advice that everyone else has unanimously given on the subject, and it seems you don’t like being told how to act, now, take that feeling, put that in the game, and apply that to being told how to play, and it should become clear why people don’t welcome unsolicited advice.
There is big difference between being offended by advice and disagreeing with it, you missed the point entirely. Like I said, some people just need to grow thicker skin, there are many people out there would prefer to know something they may be doing that is causing problems for themselves or others, yes this is a game setting and if they want to play a certain way thats fine to but people should still be aware of the other ways as well just so they know.
It seems that you are missing the whole issue, you think people get offended or their feelings got hurt by unsolicited advice, nothing could be further from the truth, to hurt someone’s feeling, they need to care what you think of them, and that’s the whole point why no one likes unsolicited advice, they don’t respect that person enough to value their input, hence why they didn’t ask for it to start with.
So, what’s easier to do mid dungeon/fractal, Kick them and hope they can learn the lesson on their own, or waste the time trying to educate them in a polite enough way as to not start some ego kittening contest, that if you wanted their advice, you would have asked.
Actually people are insecure and get offended that’s why they get kicked there aren’t many people who value anyone’s opinions these days abd that’s part of the problem becauze people want to pretend they can do no wrong let’s not pretend it has to do with how well they know thw person, you kids barely listen to your family or friends these days anyways.
And yes advice has worked for plenty of people, just because you have a problem with ir doesnt mean everyone else doe.
When in Rome, do as the Romans do.
Just don’t be a kitten – don’t ask disingenuous, insinuating questions (“Why didn’t you do x [you stoopid scrub]?”) and don’t challenge people you don’t know, because you have no idea how they’re going to respond.
Sometimes people take comments lightly, sometimes they don’t; if you want to minimise unpredictable reactions from strangers, keep your godkitten mouth shut.I disagree if your to insecure you cannot handle a healthy opinion or criticism then you have no business being online period, how can you handle holding down a job and going out in the world if you cannot handle a comment like that in a game?
Now if your rude about it thats another story, but really if you care about what everyone else thinks then your life will be really hard, its one thing to listen to take criticism as something that might be true about you and another to let everyone else control how you feel.
Do you actually go around in real life blurting out unsolicited advice at your co-workers and random people?
Well no, but when your in a group your also spending not only your time but others peoples time as well, so if for some reason someone is hindering the group then yea id say its fine to give them some healthy advice, also people give advice in the game and forums all the time what is so different when your in a group?
And actually I do give random advice at times in rl and guess what people dont usually get offended because I can do it without sounded like a jerk. Like I said if thats something people find offensive then the issue is with them.
First, since you support giving unsolicited advice, here is some unsolicited advice. If you are in a guild group, and no one else has an issue with how one of their guild mates is playing, then don’t worry about it, if they wanted your advice on how to play, they would ask for it.
Now, let me ask, how does that advice make you feel?
You seem to disagree with all the advice that everyone else has unanimously given on the subject, and it seems you don’t like being told how to act, now, take that feeling, put that in the game, and apply that to being told how to play, and it should become clear why people don’t welcome unsolicited advice.
There is big difference between being offended by advice and disagreeing with it, you missed the point entirely. Like I said, some people just need to grow thicker skin, there are many people out there would prefer to know something they may be doing that is causing problems for themselves or others, yes this is a game setting and if they want to play a certain way thats fine to but people should still be aware of the other ways as well just so they know.
It seems that you are missing the whole issue, you think people get offended or their feelings got hurt by unsolicited advice, nothing could be further from the truth, to hurt someone’s feeling, they need to care what you think of them, and that’s the whole point why no one likes unsolicited advice, they don’t respect that person enough to value their input, hence why they didn’t ask for it to start with.
So, what’s easier to do mid dungeon/fractal, Kick them and hope they can learn the lesson on their own, or waste the time trying to educate them in a polite enough way as to not start some ego kittening contest, that if you wanted their advice, you would have asked.
Actually people are insecure and get offended that’s why they get kicked there aren’t many people who value anyone’s opinions these days abd that’s part of the problem becauze people want to pretend they can do no wrong let’s not pretend it has to do with how well they know thw person, you kids barely listen to your family or friends these days anyways.
And yes advice has worked for plenty of people, just because you have a problem with ir doesnt mean everyone else doe.
LOL “kids”, bet I’m older then you. I had already graduated college, and was working a full time job when EQ came out in 1999.
There are two kinds of gamers, salty, and extra salty
When in Rome, do as the Romans do.
Just don’t be a kitten – don’t ask disingenuous, insinuating questions (“Why didn’t you do x [you stoopid scrub]?”) and don’t challenge people you don’t know, because you have no idea how they’re going to respond.
Sometimes people take comments lightly, sometimes they don’t; if you want to minimise unpredictable reactions from strangers, keep your godkitten mouth shut.I disagree if your to insecure you cannot handle a healthy opinion or criticism then you have no business being online period, how can you handle holding down a job and going out in the world if you cannot handle a comment like that in a game?
Now if your rude about it thats another story, but really if you care about what everyone else thinks then your life will be really hard, its one thing to listen to take criticism as something that might be true about you and another to let everyone else control how you feel.
Do you actually go around in real life blurting out unsolicited advice at your co-workers and random people?
Well no, but when your in a group your also spending not only your time but others peoples time as well, so if for some reason someone is hindering the group then yea id say its fine to give them some healthy advice, also people give advice in the game and forums all the time what is so different when your in a group?
And actually I do give random advice at times in rl and guess what people dont usually get offended because I can do it without sounded like a jerk. Like I said if thats something people find offensive then the issue is with them.
First, since you support giving unsolicited advice, here is some unsolicited advice. If you are in a guild group, and no one else has an issue with how one of their guild mates is playing, then don’t worry about it, if they wanted your advice on how to play, they would ask for it.
Now, let me ask, how does that advice make you feel?
You seem to disagree with all the advice that everyone else has unanimously given on the subject, and it seems you don’t like being told how to act, now, take that feeling, put that in the game, and apply that to being told how to play, and it should become clear why people don’t welcome unsolicited advice.
There is big difference between being offended by advice and disagreeing with it, you missed the point entirely. Like I said, some people just need to grow thicker skin, there are many people out there would prefer to know something they may be doing that is causing problems for themselves or others, yes this is a game setting and if they want to play a certain way thats fine to but people should still be aware of the other ways as well just so they know.
It seems that you are missing the whole issue, you think people get offended or their feelings got hurt by unsolicited advice, nothing could be further from the truth, to hurt someone’s feeling, they need to care what you think of them, and that’s the whole point why no one likes unsolicited advice, they don’t respect that person enough to value their input, hence why they didn’t ask for it to start with.
So, what’s easier to do mid dungeon/fractal, Kick them and hope they can learn the lesson on their own, or waste the time trying to educate them in a polite enough way as to not start some ego kittening contest, that if you wanted their advice, you would have asked.
Actually people are insecure and get offended that’s why they get kicked there aren’t many people who value anyone’s opinions these days abd that’s part of the problem becauze people want to pretend they can do no wrong let’s not pretend it has to do with how well they know thw person, you kids barely listen to your family or friends these days anyways.
And yes advice has worked for plenty of people, just because you have a problem with ir doesnt mean everyone else doe.
LOL “kids”, bet I’m older then you. I had already graduated college, and was working a full time job when EQ came out in 1999.
Yep I started with eq as well late 1999.