Guild Wars 2

So, this one guy who was the somesort leader of the group goes afk bit before last boss of CoE path 2. We were quite kittening mad about this but we still thought we could do it.
We actually got the boss about 10% HP left even with 1 afk but then the whole team suddenly dies and boss resets it’s HP back to full.
Now, when you try to kick leader, your whole group get’s kicked out of the dungeon.
So leader can go easily afk and still be sure to not get kicked. Or if kicked, atleast others suffer as much as him too…

Well, I only wasted about 1 hour to nothing. Oh right, I got 3 of those tokens so it’s not wasted, right, Anet?

So, is there some sort of fix coming to this ANet?
Or is leader really allowed to do something like this in future too?

Hope for fix along others in the big content update for windersday.

you can report him, you know and if he does it a few times, it’s bb gw2 for him

KerriganGR.2736:

you can report him, you know and if he does it a few times, it’s bb gw2 for him

Yes, I could report him but that would still not fix the whole problem.
There must be something more than just reporting people who go afk.
Party leaders don’t serve any special treatment. They are just normal players like the rest 4 kickable players.!

Edit: Thx for the dev to answering and noticing this

So people can’t hurt others w/o hurting themselves, that doesn’t solve anything. Leader can still hurt others.

The root of all theses issues is the same : the instance is owned by someone. Why ? What’s the point of such a system ?
In GW anyone could leave the instance w/o destruction of the instance. Why did you change this system which is far better ?

Robert Hrouda.1327:

did you report him? Because we do ban for that type of behavior.

We’re always working on ways to keep people from trolling and exploiting others. We recently made it so that the party leader can’t leave the group and kick everyone out without his instance being destroyed, so this is just the latest iteration in people trying to abuse other people. I will alert our programmers to this if they are already not aware.

Well, the newest iteration will kick the leader even if the last person leaves, which is pretty strange. It might be annoying if all your party members just resign from continuing and you’d want to invite others. It’s now impossible.

haviz.1340:

Well, the newest iteration will kick the leader even if the last person leaves, which is pretty strange. It might be annoying if all your party members just resign from continuing and you’d want to invite others. It’s now impossible.

That situation is rare to impossible to happen. If all resign, it means things were pretty kitten horrible in the instance…

What if something happens in real life so you have to go afk immediately, other members can’t kick you, and if they report you, you are getting banned? Doesn’t sound fair in my opinion.

Nitas.4960:

What if something happens in real life so you have to go afk immediately, other members can’t kick you, and if they report you, you are getting banned? Doesn’t sound fair in my opinion.

I’m sure a ban won’t happen for one infraction. However, repeated behavior probably will.

KerriganGR.2736:

That situation is rare to impossible to happen. If all resign, it means things were pretty kitten horrible in the instance…

I heard a lot of stories about arah p4. It might happen there.

Robert Hrouda.1327:

report them and they can’t do it to others. Cull them from the population and the odds of it being done to you grow ever smaller.

Report them please.

Good you are taking priorities. Instead of banning people who repeatly use all kind of exploits to make things trivial you ban people who might have real life emergencies. (examples: nursing case in family, working at the firefighters etc)

Malediktus.9250:

Good you are taking priorities. Instead of banning people who repeatly use all kind of exploits to make things trivial you ban people who might have real life emergencies. (examples: nursing case in family, working at the firefighters etc)

Ursan.7846:

I’m sure a ban won’t happen for one infraction. However, repeated behavior probably will.

Its easy to have it repeated if you are affected by one of my examples. I cant think of any other MMO where you can get banned for going afk.

Malediktus.9250:

Its easy to have it repeated if you are affected by one of my examples. I cant think of any other MMO where you can get banned for going afk.

Don’t do dungeons if you’re on call? If you expect something to interrupt your playtime, why are you wasting the times of the 4 other members party?

Or do it with your friends/guildies who understand, and won’t mind if you go afk in the middle.

I am not on a call, but there are plenty of people who are, and they shouldnt be left in the dust because of some absurd rule anet enforces because they cant make a proper instance system, where you can kick anyone without ruining the run.

Malediktus.9250:

I am not on a call, but there are plenty of people who are, and they shouldnt be left in the dust because of some absurd rule anet enforces because they cant make a proper instance system, where you can kick anyone without ruining the run.

I am sorry if I misunderstood anything in your post, but…

Sure, you’re not on call, others are. Doesn’t change anything. I’m on call right now. But I don’t play the game because my pager can go off any minute. So I loiter around the forums!

With the current system, the instance dies only when you kick the party leader. So the instance is only closed if people try to kick an afk party leader. Again, if you’re in a group of friends who understand your situation, then this isn’t a problem.

This is only a problem if you’re the party leader, form a party of strangers, don’t explain to them properly that you might go afk, go afk, and get reported.

Of course one occurance is not that big of a deal. But if there’s multiple, repeating occurances, then you’re ruining the fun for the 4 other party members who have to deal with your afk, but can’t kick you out because it will close the instance.

Rule doesn’t sound so absurd to me.

Robert Hrouda.1327:

did you report him? Because we do ban for that type of behavior.

How strange. Instead of just letting the group kick the afker without wasting their time you would rather they report him, wasting more resources for you guys? What is so hard about not booting everyone from the instance if the first guy in leaves?

Set up a vote system that can be triggered by any member of the party.

If anyone goes afk, any party member can start a vote to kick the offending member.

ALL members (minus the offending member of course) must vote for the kick.

Party leader then gets randomly assigned to a remaining member.

This would prevent abuse of the system.

If this seems impossible due to the assigned instance bit, then…

Upon a vote request a “snapshot” of the instance is taken. (The block of code denoting the instance including progress is saved temporarily.) If the vote request goes through, reload the instance assigning a random party leader, reload the presaved “snapshot”, now owned by the leader.

This means there will be no kicks during boss fights (without some progress loss). So decisions would have to be made before hand, thus also preventing any loot, end rewards kicking for random evil purposes.

I once had some idiot and his crony try to kick me and the other two members of my guild at the end of COE as part of some misguided attempt to be funny and/or “troll”. Fortunately I was the instance owner so he was the one that got kicked from the dungeon (which was funny) but the fact remains that one way or another you’ll have people abusing the system. I don’t think there’s any viable fix that will magically solve all problems.

Guanglai Kangyi.4318:

I don’t think there’s any viable fix that will magically solve all problems.

Removing the leadership completely from groups or letting any other player to become the group leader as the old one leaves.

I believe, that Anet will fix this by time and these are rare cases to be happen anyway.
Thx for all for contibuting this topic.

“Rule doesn’t sound so absurd to me.”

Because you have no clue about programming and user experience solutions?

The fact that one person cannot be kicked from party without destroying the instance is WRONG and should be treated as major priority bug. It doesnt matter why you want to kick them or why they want to leave or why they are forced to leave (obviously fractals dc by leader doesnt occur to you, or is deliberatly ignored by you). As long as any player cannot leave the group without destroying instance of the dungeon this is a bug, especially considering how easy it would be to not have that behaviour.

Its just another misguided attempt by anet to control the game.

Robert Hrouda.1327:

report them and they can’t do it to others. Cull them from the population and the odds of it being done to you grow ever smaller.

Report them please.

Well about reporting.. This may be off topic but I am reporting a group of players for botting for about a week but they are still there at the same time, same group, same place. I wonder if any action has been taken against them. There are a bunch of players with qwerrasdfdsfg like names on Aurora Glade, Gendarran Fiels just west of Cornucopian waypoints about 20:00 GMT which are obviously botting. Please take action and ban them permanently, make them suffer.

Rogacz.9865:

Because you have no clue about programming and user experience solutions?

Uh. I’m not sure what this has anything to do with the rule, but okay.

Rogacz.9865:

The fact that one person cannot be kicked from party without destroying the instance is WRONG and should be treated as major priority bug. It doesnt matter why you want to kick them or why they want to leave or why they are forced to leave (obviously fractals dc by leader doesnt occur to you, or is deliberatly ignored by you). As long as any player cannot leave the group without destroying instance of the dungeon this is a bug, especially considering how easy it would be to not have that behaviour.

Um. You can disagree with how the system is set-up, but that doesn’t make it a bug. It’s considered a bug if the software is doing something it isn’t supposed to do. In this case, closing the instance when the owner leaves. From the dev’s response, I’m pretty confident in saying that this is what the system is designed to do. It does the same thing for all instances, such as personal story or the player home district. Probably has something to do with how the instance is created, but I dunno. So it really isn’t a “bug.” Just a feature of the system. Whether one agrees with this design is a whole another debate, however…

Rogacz.9865:

Its just another misguided attempt by anet to control the game.

Uh, okay.

But I’m still confused. Do you, or someone else, mind explaining to me why this rule is a bad thing?

1. Player forms a party, creates instance.
2. AFKs because he knows instance will close if he’s kicked.
3. Other teammembers report him
4. 1-3 is repeated multiple times.
5. Player is banned.

It sounds perfectly reasonable to me, as the player is abusing the fact that the instance will close if he is kicked and going afk while still reaping the rewards of his teammates’ efforts.

Whether the instance should close or not when the party leader is kicked is, again, a whole different debate, and one I don’t want to partake in because I have no idea how complex it is to change the system.

But the system is the system. It’s what they have in place right now. And in that context, the rule isn’t absurd at all. I think.

Ok, This now happened to me again. This time just only because of leader got DC first in fractals and then left.

There’s nothing really we could do in that situation. OK, couple guys reported him (me aswell) but there’s no really anything to be reported. He got kicked and just wanted to leave cause of broken game mechanic.

I’m sure ANet will fix DC problems in fractals but is the “Leader leaving, group getting kicked” here to stay? We really would need fix for this ASAP.

Rogacz.9865:

“Rule doesn’t sound so absurd to me.”

Because you have no clue about programming and user experience solutions?

From the way you describe an admittedly undesirable yet working piece of software as a “bug”, I would be hard-pressed to believe you have any experience in said fields either.

Not that it matters, really. An opinion is an opinion.

Rogacz.9865:

As long as any player cannot leave the group without destroying instance of the dungeon this is a bug, especially considering how easy it would be to not have that behaviour.

The main reason instances behave this way is because of the personal story and how they allow other players to play alongside friends through it. Someone has to ‘own’ the personal story instance. Someone is progressing something.

They’ve taken this mechanic to dungeons in order to put players in movies and in order to progress ‘story’ mode. Notice how the dialogue scenes have the instance ‘owner’ in them. That’s why there has to be an owner.

I agree that they could have done it differently and it could be better, however we have no way of knowing how much more time, effort, and money it would have taken to make a separate instance structure for dungeons while keeping the ‘story’ mode feeling like part of the personal story.

For right now, ban the players that are purposefully trolling others. Its hard to be the leader of a pug and go afk multiple times without doing it on purpose. If you don’t know that you’re going to have 100% of your time free for a dungeon run, don’t constantly be a leader/instance creator. It’s not that hard to let someone go in first and ‘pass the buck.’

Rogacz.9865:

Its just another misguided attempt by anet to control the game.

Yay, tinfoil hat time!

Oh and I’ve got some disheartening news for you. They do control the game, it’s their game. The only time it becomes a problem is when the government forces you to spend your time playing it or face a penalty.

Redscope.6215:

For right now, ban the players that are purposefully trolling others. Its hard to be the leader of a pug and go afk multiple times without doing it on purpose. If you don’t know that you’re going to have 100% of your time free for a dungeon run, don’t constantly be a leader/instance creator. It’s not that hard to let someone go in first and ‘pass the buck.’

This. If I have to go afk in a dungeon, I usually explain that something came up and tell them how long it might take me, and apologize. It’s a lot better than saying “afk” and disappearing for 20+ minutes.

Rogacz.9865:

The main reason instances behave this way is because of the personal story and how they allow other players to play alongside friends through it. Someone has to ‘own’ the personal story instance. Someone is progressing something.

They’ve taken this mechanic to dungeons in order to put players in movies and in order to progress ‘story’ mode. Notice how the dialogue scenes have the instance ‘owner’ in them. That’s why there has to be an owner.

I agree that they could have done it differently and it could be better, however we have no way of knowing how much more time, effort, and money it would have taken to make a separate instance structure for dungeons while keeping the ‘story’ mode feeling like part of the personal story..

Personal story? Interesting. So this would means the “leader” is the one “following” his storyline. So why every other member of the party get the storymode done, unlocking exp mode, what are they, leechers or inferior to who opened the istance, not part of the story? AS you see, what you pointed (correctly) as the technical reason, explain same time the senseless lack of design and programming choices. It would have made a sense if the other 4 players, joining the team, didn’t have story mode as completed. That would have been “my personal story, this is MY run, i have to be in the movie and leader of this group till the end or everyone is booted helping me” . Just to add, doing or not doing at all dungeons allow the player to complete “his personal story” perfectly. Actually, as you see, it’s just an idiocity requested from prelaunch and never fixed.

Wait, you ban for going AFK in a dungeon? What if something IRL comes up? Wow, that’s kind of messed up IMO. Sure if you’re going to afk in a dungeon it shouldn’t be for more than 5 minutes but banning for doing it? Just because the people who vote kicked him didn’t know that they would be kicked too?

I will agree that the vote kicking the leader kicks the entire group from the dungeon isn’t a good idea. I’ve been in pug groups who had attitudes (didn’t like to listen to strategy for boss fights) try to kick me before I could get the last chest or tokens in a dungeon. Thought I was the party leader and the two pugs we had tried to exploit this mechanic by trying to kick me because they thought it would kick everyone else and we would miss out on the final rewards. Luckily, I wasn’t the party lead so I was able to just get back in and get my stuff.

Robert Hrouda.1327:

did you report him? Because we do ban for that type of behavior.

We’re always working on ways to keep people from trolling and exploiting others. We recently made it so that the party leader can’t leave the group and kick everyone out without his instance being destroyed, so this is just the latest iteration in people trying to abuse other people. I will alert our programmers to this if they are already not aware.

So you can report players for this kind of behavior? Yesterday I did the cliffside fractal for the firstime and climbing the scaffold to the final seal I kept getting knocked down. My group thought I did this intentionally(1 player accused me of jumping off on purpose but it seems there is an environment effect it looked like someone was shooting the floor and if you walk into it you get knocked off) and they kicked me when I explained I was having trouble climbing it I fell twice they concluded I was trolling them somehow. I should have known this wasn’t a good group when 1 player kept spamming chat and capslock and another kept getting angry for no apparent reason;/

RoRo.8270:

So you can report players for this kind of behavior? Yesterday I did the cliffside fractal for the firstime and climbing the scaffold to the final seal I kept getting knocked down. My group thought I did this intentionally(1 player accused me of jumping off on purpose but it seems there is an environment effect it looked like someone was shooting the floor and if you walk into it you get knocked off) and they kicked me when I explained I was having trouble climbing it I fell twice they concluded I was trolling them somehow. I should have known this wasn’t a good group when 1 player kept spamming chat and capslock and another kept getting angry for no apparent reason;/

Sounds like they weren’t very nice people but you can at least understand their point of view that its quite strange you didn’t grasp the idea of the exploding platforms the first time it dumped you into the void, its pretty obvious how that bit works. A reason to explain it to you rather than drop you though, so really kitteny behavior from them. But at least now you know that part of the fractal really well =)

Webba.3071:

RoRo.8270:

So you can report players for this kind of behavior? Yesterday I did the cliffside fractal for the firstime and climbing the scaffold to the final seal I kept getting knocked down. My group thought I did this intentionally(1 player accused me of jumping off on purpose but it seems there is an environment effect it looked like someone was shooting the floor and if you walk into it you get knocked off) and they kicked me when I explained I was having trouble climbing it I fell twice they concluded I was trolling them somehow. I should have known this wasn’t a good group when 1 player kept spamming chat and capslock and another kept getting angry for no apparent reason;/

Sounds like they weren’t very nice people but you can at least understand their point of view that its quite strange you didn’t grasp the idea of the exploding platforms the first time it dumped you into the void, its pretty obvious how that bit works. A reason to explain it to you rather than drop you though, so really kitteny behavior from them. But at least now you know that part of the fractal really well =)

Not really 2nd time I tried to dodge roll through but didnt make it in time. I didn’t have stability which makes it easier

RoRo.8270:

Webba.3071:

RoRo.8270:

So you can report players for this kind of behavior? Yesterday I did the cliffside fractal for the firstime and climbing the scaffold to the final seal I kept getting knocked down. My group thought I did this intentionally(1 player accused me of jumping off on purpose but it seems there is an environment effect it looked like someone was shooting the floor and if you walk into it you get knocked off) and they kicked me when I explained I was having trouble climbing it I fell twice they concluded I was trolling them somehow. I should have known this wasn’t a good group when 1 player kept spamming chat and capslock and another kept getting angry for no apparent reason;/

Sounds like they weren’t very nice people but you can at least understand their point of view that its quite strange you didn’t grasp the idea of the exploding platforms the first time it dumped you into the void, its pretty obvious how that bit works. A reason to explain it to you rather than drop you though, so really kitteny behavior from them. But at least now you know that part of the fractal really well =)

Not really 2nd time I tried to dodge roll through but didnt make it in time. I didn’t have stability which makes it easier

Oh well, the explosions move in a path straight up the ramps. You can run up behind the line of explosions without any speed buffs or dodges required. Just wait at the bottom of the ramps for the explosions to start moving up and then follow them to the top, taking one sloped section at a time. Hope that helps =)

Timze.7980:

Guanglai Kangyi.4318:

I don’t think there’s any viable fix that will magically solve all problems.

Removing the leadership completely from groups or letting any other player to become the group leader as the old one leaves.

I believe, that Anet will fix this by time and these are rare cases to be happen anyway.
Thx for all for contibuting this topic.

So the guy who kicks first gets to keep the instance? That sounds even more problematic. At least you can potentially screen the instance owner.

Also, if you allow for cloning of instances (i.e. both people keep the instance) then you can enjoy watching as people get to the last boss of a dungeon, then everyone leaves and invites their own friends/guildmates for a free dungeon clear.

Clearly clone is the wrong idea. Sadly, as Rozags wrote, it’s programmed on this senseless “it’s my story” base so i guess reprogram it with a bit of a sense would require too much effort to be improved to make us just forget to see it fixed.

Robert Hrouda.1327:

did you report him? Because we do ban for that type of behavior.

We’re always working on ways to keep people from trolling and exploiting others. We recently made it so that the party leader can’t leave the group and kick everyone out without his instance being destroyed, so this is just the latest iteration in people trying to abuse other people. I will alert our programmers to this if they are already not aware.

You can get banned for going afk?

Nihilus.3015:

Robert Hrouda.1327:

did you report him? Because we do ban for that type of behavior.

We’re always working on ways to keep people from trolling and exploiting others. We recently made it so that the party leader can’t leave the group and kick everyone out without his instance being destroyed, so this is just the latest iteration in people trying to abuse other people. I will alert our programmers to this if they are already not aware.

You can get banned for going afk?

If you read this discussion thread, you should get the answer to your question.

No, you won’t be banned for going afk in a dungeon.

If you create a dungeon instance, afk because you know your party members can’t kick you without closing the instance, and reap the rewards on your teammate’s efforts. And repeat the same thing multiple times. Yes, you will be banned.

Robert Hrouda.1327:

did you report him? Because we do ban for that type of behavior.

We’re always working on ways to keep people from trolling and exploiting others. We recently made it so that the party leader can’t leave the group and kick everyone out without his instance being destroyed, so this is just the latest iteration in people trying to abuse other people. I will alert our programmers to this if they are already not aware.

Why would you guys NOT make it so party leadership passed to someone else in the party?

Robert Hrouda.1327:

report them and they can’t do it to others. Cull them from the population and the odds of it being done to you grow ever smaller.

Report them please.

I reported via web support some group for arbitrarily deciding to kick me out of a group right at the end of a Tixx run today, and this is the reply I received:

“We are very sorry to hear you ran into those people. Some folks are just not happy if they are not making life difficult for others. That said I’m afraid making use of the kick system at any time is not really a violation of policy so much as it being rude. We are looking at how can improve the system for the future to avoid these types of situations. However in the meantime we will still look over this report.

Regards;
[name removed]
Guild Wars Support Team_"

if the people have urgent and tell whats the problem. that you cant complain. if he just afk for no reason u should report. hope anet look on the chat logs before trying to punish the innocents. people dc in fotm its not their fault, they cant get back in anyways, why bother to report that person. common sense people.

Robert Hrouda.1327:

did you report him? Because we do ban for that type of behavior.

We’re always working on ways to keep people from trolling and exploiting others. We recently made it so that the party leader can’t leave the group and kick everyone out without his instance being destroyed, so this is just the latest iteration in people trying to abuse other people. I will alert our programmers to this if they are already not aware.

Not saying I know what happend but what if this guy had some sort of emergency. spilt a drink on his keyboard, had a sudden case of the shiittss, or has a baby or kid that just hurt themselves. we all have lives and things happen. A-Net should not be banning players for this they should have had a better group system in place to begin with. Now the thing to do is get fix so ANYONE can be voted out of the group and the members can go find a replacement. Let the players decide if they want to wait for this guys emergencey or if they wanna just kick him from group.

I’m sure this guy coming back to his desk after his lengthy afk would say “oh well I was gone awhile”. and he would try and get it done some other time. However if he comes back and his banned for 3 days how do you think hes going to feel.

In my opinion A-net needs to let the players manage this. A-net needs to just come out with a fair and balanced grouping system, that gives the power to the players.

that being said… if a leader of a dungeon DC’s or leaves. then i think another person should be assigned the new leader. that is intuitive and simple. maybe just have the leaders go down in order of who entered the dungeon in chronological order.

at the same time, is kicking is to be stayed in dungeons or instances / parties, then it should require majority of votes, even if the leader is the one being kicked. not just one person to second the kick. nor if the leader is kicked, should everyone else be kicked as well. again, back to the first point, the “leadership” just transfers to the next person. people who want to remain in the dungeon and keep going.

As a side note to this whole thread, I think the entire group should have to vote on kicking a person, in order to kick them, not just 2 people. Then you wouldn’t have to destroy instances or report people.

If a group of 4 players all ganged up on one person, and did so for the wrong reasons, then I guess just like in real life that person would be screwed. Same goes for your reporting system, and if a bunch of people gang up & report the same person. I know that you investigate reports, but if they baited someone into getting mad, then all reported “verbal abuse”, they could easily abuse the report system as well as get away with it.

To stay on point though, make it so everyones gotta agree on kicking someone, and don’t destroy the whole instance if everyone leaves / kick the party leader

Heh yeah… just got kicked from a dungeon group because I wanted to kick a person that was still in some other quest. Guy said he’d be a min and lead started the dungeon but we were half way through the dungeon then they kicked me. Oh well… bad players will always exist.

Malediktus.9250:

I am not on a call, but there are plenty of people who are, and they shouldnt be left in the dust because of some absurd rule anet enforces because they cant make a proper instance system, where you can kick anyone without ruining the run.

I’m sorry but the people you are referring to should simply not join the dungeon first, it’s really not that hard to figure out.

If I knew there was a chance I had to go AFK and it would be out of my control then I would not join first simple solution.

Um. You can disagree with how the system is set-up, but that doesn’t make it a bug. It’s considered a bug if the software is doing something it isn’t supposed to do. In this case, closing the instance when the owner leaves. From the dev’s response, I’m pretty confident in saying that this is what the system is designed to do. It does the same thing for all instances, such as personal story or the player home district. Probably has something to do with how the instance is created, but I dunno. So it really isn’t a “bug.” Just a feature of the system. Whether one agrees with this design is a whole another debate, however…

Its a bug, as long as the system does something undesired, regardless of if it was in a specification in that way or not. And you know its undesired, because its reportable.

As it is, there is no need to own anything but personal story areas – and even that is doubtful since user expirience of being kicked without reason, and the potential abuse, vs just being able to complete the personal quest and just not give the progress to owner who left is simply extremly poor – as evident by this thread. And yes, bugs are also introduced ‘as features’ when you have multiple groups of people responsible for one big product, each of them with their own vision. Quite a few issues stem exactly from the fact that there are separate groups of people working with little contact between them when it comes to combining system architecture and qa.

Reporting is a punishment action – which is a good thing and should result in something, but which does not discriminate taking other actions, preferably ones that prevent the thing happening altogether. Like instances not having owners, or being owned by groups, so that when leader leaves for whatever reason, the group and instance are not destroyed. Considering how it works in multiple other games, there is no difficulty there except incorrect implementation/design.

From the way you describe an admittedly undesirable yet working piece of software as a “bug”, I would be hard-pressed to believe you have any experience in said fields either.

Believe what you will. If a logical argument does not convince you, there is nothing more anyone should do.

I agree that they could have done it differently and it could be better, however we have no way of knowing how much more time, effort, and money it would have taken to make a separate instance structure for dungeons while keeping the ‘story’ mode feeling like part of the personal story.

Inability to spend more effort on this does not change the fact that it is undesirable behaviour – and thus its nature, does it? Not to mention – how much effort goes exactly into Customer Service due to such issues? For how long? Even if correcting the issue would take a month for a team of programmers, the alternative is handling reports for the game lifetime. That means that for each report, someone has to read it, spend time investigating, and then reach a decision, and input it into system. Not a 5min task exactly either. And then on top of that, someone else will have to handle the situation when that person who was banned / whatever, files another report, demanding access.

(And no, im not questoning the decision made by ANet to choose this effort over the other, merely streesing that this is a flaw in the software, that could be corrected, regardless of how you wrap it.)

I’d just like to note people are suffering as a result of this change. Doing the Tixx destruction achievement is annoying now that you get kicked from a dungeon when others leave. It’s also annoying that I can’t explore a dungeon once my group is done, there are a lot of places in AC that a normal group won’t care about but are fun to explore on your own. Hopefully a proper solution to this problem can be found so that real reasons for being on your own in a dungeon don’t get trashed because some people exploited.

Awesome.6120:

Robert Hrouda.1327:

did you report him? Because we do ban for that type of behavior.

How strange. Instead of just letting the group kick the afker without wasting their time you would rather they report him, wasting more resources for you guys? What is so hard about not booting everyone from the instance if the first guy in leaves?

I thought that as well.

Why put strain on their customer service people when a simple fix ( I say simple, I don’t know how easy that would be to implement) would pay off in the long run for both players and your co-workers.

Without meaning to sound overly awful, it seems that ANet is quite content with its current PVE/Dungeon optimization (aka low rate of bug fixing and accomodating player issues) and does not see the need to work on any forms of improvement…

That is pretty lazy imho. Great game, but seriously lacking in certain fundamental departments.

I had an issue today where the group leader left right after the final boss in HotW before allowing people to loot and finish their business, but not before he let us know how bad our performance had been. Whatever our performance, we finished the dungeon and deserved our loot as much as he did.

After hearing that this kind of behaviour isn’t tolerated I went to report the player, but found the report function VERY limited. I can only report another player for Botting, Spamming, Scamming, Verbal Abuse, Inappropriate Character Name or Selling Gold.

This offence is none of the above really. I did however choose verbal abuse as his exit was accompanied by a very bad attitude. I don’t know if this was the right choice, but there wasn’t really another one available. Is there some advice anyone can give in regards reporting this kind of behaviour? Or are we supposed to put up with it? And if we’re not supposed to put up with it, could there not be a specific option in the player report function? It kind of defeats the object if you’re told you should report it but there’s no option to do so.

Robert Hrouda.1327:

did you report him? Because we do ban for that type of behavior.

We’re always working on ways to keep people from trolling and exploiting others. We recently made it so that the party leader can’t leave the group and kick everyone out without his instance being destroyed, so this is just the latest iteration in people trying to abuse other people. I will alert our programmers to this if they are already not aware.

group leader still has ultimate pull/say in these matters since he could just leave group and destroy the instance. For example, forcing a votekick on player(s), making it if or he resets the dungeon, that isn’t against any anet rule of conduct now is it?

And what Timze said, that you can’t kick a leader, or you reset the dungeon. Is that really necessary?

Should we just make it votekick = reset dungeon so it’s fair for everybody?