DnT has shown with the way they gave themselves props to not to fit the requirements of what Anet is looking for. The privilege was given to DnT to participate in the beta testing and they are in their right to take it away too. Anet is allowed to share their concerns and are basically letting people know what they’re expecting from future testers.
I personally may not care much for world firsts but I have a bunch of guild members that enjoy the competitive aspect of the games by either participating in spvp, speeds runs or world firsts.
There is a lot of pride at stake and people are just feel cheated, this is something a lot of players have been working towards and have looked forward to doing.
Not to mention, this conversation has been going for a while and lets be real… a lot of players had already openly expressed their concerns with how the raid testing was handled. If DnT wanted to be a classy guild and earn the respect of the community they should have done what they could to help the community with achieving their world first kills and not claim it for themselves.
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it doesn’t surprise me this happened…they had a reputation for drama in WoW too
http://afkgamer.com/archives/2008/03/13/death-taxes-guild-drama/
publicly shamed one of their own guildmates back in the day
The bigger picture that nobody is paying attention to here is the the culture of Anet employees harassing and bullying the players. Despite the fact that team leads and people you EXPECT to be protecting the customers are the ones involved.
(edited by Firebaall.5127)
I think 90% of the people in this thread are cheering Anet for taking away DnT’s raiding privelages after this kitten they pulled….I wish someone could bring back the reddit thread where Nike(who was a partner with Anet, as of signing that NDA) was being rude as kitten to the community.
Sadly, and because I’m sure DnT didn’t want people to see it, it was deleted.
I think 90% of the people in this thread are cheering Anet for taking away DnT’s raiding privelages after this kitten they pulled….I wish someone could bring back the reddit thread where Nike(who was a partner with Anet, as of signing that NDA) was being rude as kitten to the community.
Sadly, and because I’m sure DnT didn’t want people to see it, it was deleted.
there’s still some kitteny tweets though!
The worst part is, Nike ruined the reputation of the guild forevermore
The bigger picture that nobody is paying attention to here is the the culture of Anet employees harassing and bullying the players. The fast that team leads and people you EXPECT to be protecting the customers are the ones involved.
I’m no veteran so I don’t know about the past so much but I read what anet said about this particular case and don’t see any bullying or harassing. All they did was condemn their actions and from what I’ve heard rightfully so. If I was anet I would want my player base to know that I didn’t approve and imply greater care would be taken in choosing testing guilds in the future(maybe also more stipulations in the NDA?). You’re reaction to the devs response seems exaggerated given what they’ve said especially since these aren’t random players but were directly involved in testing with anet(which imo gives them the right to say something).
it doesn’t surprise me this happened…they had a reputation for drama in WoW too
http://afkgamer.com/archives/2008/03/13/death-taxes-guild-drama/
publicly shamed one of their own guildmates back in the day
The bigger picture that nobody is paying attention to here is the the culture of Anet employees harassing and bullying the players. Despite the fact that team leads and people you EXPECT to be protecting the customers are the ones involved.
The big picture that nobody is paying attention to?
Basically DnT was invited to help with organizing a party and they drank all the alcohol before the party had even started.
The party peeps who just showed up are wondering where the booze is and Anet is in their right to point at DnT who are clearly still hoarding the empty bottles on the couch over there.
I think Anet made the right choice here. DnT should not have been bragging about being first in any regards after having a month of private access to the content. One of the common complaints of Guild Wars is the end game is non-existence. To turn the new end-game into a 15 minute speed clear on the first day is very bad for the reputation of the game and the company. By announcing to the public DnT has been removed from future raids, I think it sends a message that these guilds are invited for beta testing, not for a leg up on their chance for being first.
It’s all kinda stupid if you ask me. I praise guilds that lead the way in the meta game, they help the game evolve and grow. But behavior such as this shouldn’t be tolerated.
it doesn’t surprise me this happened…they had a reputation for drama in WoW too
http://afkgamer.com/archives/2008/03/13/death-taxes-guild-drama/
publicly shamed one of their own guildmates back in the day
The bigger picture that nobody is paying attention to here is the the culture of Anet employees harassing and bullying the players. Despite the fact that team leads and people you EXPECT to be protecting the customers are the ones involved.
You really are spewing some amazing bull.
1) WE as a community have no idea the details of the NDA.
2) They publicly belittled the high end end game content without even providing context. (The fact they were testers)
3) They used their beta knowledge to turn profit by setting prices on raid exclusive rewards.
My opinion EVERYONE of them who attempted to profit from the rewards should get an account ban or in the LEAST an extensive suspension. (30-60 days would seem reasonable.
how long is this first wing raid supposed to last ?
I think this bears clarifying, on the offchance folks aren’t insufferable and simply just missed MMO Trash Talking 101:
The target of Raider-Style Gloating is supposed to be other players.
Because that’s who you’re supposed to be in competition with. Not the company itself. You are not competing with the company. Especially when it means calling into question the challenging content you yourselves were invited to help support.
/sigh
It’s like my GW2 Meta experiences are playing out as a subtle parody of my WoW Raiding experiences.
Some kind of WoW mimickry is happening here, but this game is structured so differently it doesn’t equip people with the means to understand the underlying principals that drives the actions in that Meta. So some screwy cliffnotes version of it is being misapplied to hilarious and tragic consequences. Like your little brother kissing an orange because that’s the fruit he ‘loves’ the most.
Wow Raiders respect being First, that means being First is ‘Best’ in every game!
WoW Raiders are smugly superior, let’s taunt Anet!
Wait- What? No! That’s not what anyofthatmeans-!
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how long is this first wing raid supposed to last ?
Now that we know it’s 15 minutes, they’ll never say.
it doesn’t surprise me this happened…they had a reputation for drama in WoW too
http://afkgamer.com/archives/2008/03/13/death-taxes-guild-drama/
publicly shamed one of their own guildmates back in the day
The bigger picture that nobody is paying attention to here is the the culture of Anet employees harassing and bullying the players. Despite the fact that team leads and people you EXPECT to be protecting the customers are the ones involved.
You really are spewing some amazing bull.
Oh…you mean like the security team lead calling out a player as a cheater flat out, without even looking into it properly?
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/support/support/Account-Closures-2-November-2015/first
Dude was guilty of sharing his login info (a violation, yes…but you expect a team lead to at least look at the info before publicly shaming the guy.). He got his account back after the support lead actually did the work and investigated.
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i lol @ DNT try hardness.. advanced prep..world first my kitten.
Serves them right, Hope their player count shrinks and they learn their lesson. Idiotic for DNT to be that foolish.
D A M A G E C O N T R O L
2) They publicly belittled the high end end game content without even providing context. (The fact they were testers)
This is the simple reason. ArenaNet tried to appeal to those wanting challenging content/raiding. Anyone that follows the meta or looks into endgame PvE has likely heard of DnT. From the perspective of someone looking for that type of content, DnT essentially said to pass on this game.
Oh…you mean like the security team lead calling out a player as a cheater flat out, without even looking into it properly?
ArenaNet has to put a lot of trust in you to unban your account. How do you know he wasn’t cheating? He could have easily been using a VPN to mask the other accounts and one day he accidentally logged in normally which got his real accounts flagged.
If it wasn’t for him getting called out, he likely would have never admitted to account sharing himself and support wouldn’t have revealed that fact. In his case, he’s lucky that happened.
As for DnT, they were publicly included and publicly removed. It’s as simple as that.
ArenaNet has to put a lot of trust in you to unban your account. How do you know he wasn’t cheating? He could have easily been using a VPN to mask the other accounts and one day he accidentally logged in normally which got his real accounts flagged.
If it wasn’t for him getting called out, he likely would have never admitted to account sharing himself and support wouldn’t have revealed that fact. In his case, he’s lucky that happened.
….How about the offical update from the support team lead when they ACTUALLY did the work to look into it?
https://www.reddit.com/r/Guildwars2/comments/3rfdmt/hello_reddit_it_is_me_tyu_again_i_had_a_post/
Good enough for you?
it doesn’t surprise me this happened…they had a reputation for drama in WoW too
http://afkgamer.com/archives/2008/03/13/death-taxes-guild-drama/
publicly shamed one of their own guildmates back in the day
The bigger picture that nobody is paying attention to here is the the culture of Anet employees harassing and bullying the players. Despite the fact that team leads and people you EXPECT to be protecting the customers are the ones involved.
Lost it at that part. This is too funny. You’re blowing this way out of proportion in your crusade to paint Anet as the ones in the wrong.
The tryhard is strong in this one. Keep trying.
Anet really can’t allow that kind of behavior from people they’re having test. DnT really forced their hands.
Lost it at that part. This is too funny. You’re blowing this way out of proportion in your crusade to paint Anet as the ones in the wrong.
The tryhard is strong in this one. Keep trying.
Not a crusade at all. I’ve expressed my opinion. Gave an explicit example of recent similar behaviour to back it up as well. What more would you like?
Lost it at that part. This is too funny. You’re blowing this way out of proportion in your crusade to paint Anet as the ones in the wrong.
The tryhard is strong in this one. Keep trying.
Not a crusade at all. I’ve expressed my opinion. Gave an explicit example of recent similar behaviour to back it up as well. What more would you like?
This isn’t an instance of bullying. DnT was not entitled to anything that was taken away from them. Testing new content is a privilege, not a right.
Anet really can’t allow that kind of behavior from people they’re having test. DnT really forced their hands.
Even putting aside the behavior, you really shouldn’t go around skirting NDAs. That’s always a huge no-no.
Lost it at that part. This is too funny. You’re blowing this way out of proportion in your crusade to paint Anet as the ones in the wrong.
The tryhard is strong in this one. Keep trying.
Not a crusade at all. I’ve expressed my opinion. Gave an explicit example of recent similar behaviour to back it up as well. What more would you like?
This isn’t an instance of bullying. DnT was not entitled to anything that was taken away from them. Testing new content is a privilege, not a right.
I’m sorry, but you have no idea what you’re arguing about. This isn’t about something that was taken away…
it doesn’t surprise me this happened…they had a reputation for drama in WoW too
http://afkgamer.com/archives/2008/03/13/death-taxes-guild-drama/
publicly shamed one of their own guildmates back in the day
The bigger picture that nobody is paying attention to here is the the culture of Anet employees harassing and bullying the players. Despite the fact that team leads and people you EXPECT to be protecting the customers are the ones involved.
Im sorry, but…. the bigger picture is actually more like this:
Anet started a pilot project, inviting two major guilds as representitives of at least a big part of gw2 community to do exclusive beta testing and influencing upcoming content, something that is NOT done easily and actually requires a lot of trust.
And instead of showing Anet what a mature community gw2 is, one of those guilds went ahead and started behaving very immature – and also very malicious.
I bet we wont see something like that again too soon, which I think is very sad.
To those pointing out that it was only one member of said guild… its not as if he is a trial member without any say in that guild, now is he. Personally, I think its saying A LOT about said guild, if one member thinks its okay to behave like that.
@ Yasi….
The bigger picture is about accountability. Anet employees interjecting personal feelings/opinions have none.
A player with 8000 hours of commitment has zero defense against an Anet employee having a bad day, or feels they need to punish a particular player according to their own agenda. That’s fact. That’s the bigger picture.
2) They publicly belittled the high end end game content without even providing context. (The fact they were testers)
This is the simple reason. ArenaNet tried to appeal to those wanting challenging content/raiding. Anyone that follows the meta or looks into endgame PvE has likely heard of DnT. From the perspective of someone looking for that type of content, DnT essentially said to pass on this game.
Oh…you mean like the security team lead calling out a player as a cheater flat out, without even looking into it properly?
ArenaNet has to put a lot of trust in you to unban your account. How do you know he wasn’t cheating? He could have easily been using a VPN to mask the other accounts and one day he accidentally logged in normally which got his real accounts flagged.
If it wasn’t for him getting called out, he likely would have never admitted to account sharing himself and support wouldn’t have revealed that fact. In his case, he’s lucky that happened.
As for DnT, they were publicly included and publicly removed. It’s as simple as that.
Still I think for me the most important thing out of what I said was that they tried to turn a profit off it… They should get bans for that…
The bigger picture that nobody is paying attention to here is the the culture of Anet employees harassing and bullying the players. Despite the fact that team leads and people you EXPECT to be protecting the customers are the ones involved.
lulwut?
Try getting a list of examples that number in the double digits before you start throwing around words like “culture of Anet employees harassing and bullying the players”.
lulwut?
Try getting a list of examples that number in the double digits before you start throwing around words like “culture of Anet employees harassing and bullying the players”.
So…I need an entire compendium of examples to defend what I say? There’s way more than a few. Instead of challenging the examples I brought up, you defend Anet’s stance and lack of apology or accountability?
Personally so happy that DnT are finally being publically recognized for the arrogant negative influence they have on the community. (Ignoring Nemesis’ comments here before anyone jumps on that bandwagon) DnT have been providing guides that have simplified the mindset of the community into Zerker! Zerker! Zerker! without consideration for the necessary support that is actually required to support this.
They have created a negative atmosphere which Anet have supported, including publically releasing spoilers such as the new Legendary axe, as well as now having a negative impact on the much awaited release of raids. Please Anet, learn from your mistake and never give special consideration to DnT again. There are much more productive guilds out there that are more then willing to humbly contribute to the community, rather than releasing content as a ‘Look at me I’m so amazing’.
Lost it at that part. This is too funny. You’re blowing this way out of proportion in your crusade to paint Anet as the ones in the wrong.
The tryhard is strong in this one. Keep trying.
Not a crusade at all. I’ve expressed my opinion. Gave an explicit example of recent similar behaviour to back it up as well. What more would you like?
The situations aren’t all that similar. One could even argue that the statements made against DnT are more of a denouncement/distancing measure than outright shaming. And partly a warning/example for guilds/players invited to future testing.
Painting Anet’s actions as being against players is also misleading. DnT were also acting as partners with Anet in their testing, which makes their relationship with the company closer to that of a employee. They are not ‘just players’ while acting under an officially announced partnership/arrangement with Anet. They should be held to a higher standard of conduct and be more harshly reprimanded for breaching that standard.
In Tyu’s case, an Anet employee made a bold accusation based on automated flagging, without investigating the matter himself. While there was really cheating and/or other forbidden activity occurring on the account, he should have looked at the situation more carefully before accusing. The accusation was premature and unprofessional.
What DnT did was a blatantly unprofessional, immature, and trollish misrepresentation/trivialization new game content. Anet didn’t make any accusations they weren’t sure about. DnT’s posts, tweets, comments, and pictures are there for everyone to see. We know for a fact that they were bragging about being the first, even if one of their several posts did disclose the involvement in testing and forfeit their claim to an actual world first. In fact, the very same person that posted that (somewhat) more honest claim on Reddit, posted a bragging “#first” message on Twitter. His replies following that tweet are a series of troll responses and claiming that “everyone knew DnT was testing it” made it all acceptable.
I had no idea DnT was involved in raid testing till just a few hours ago. And that was after I saw the reddit post via Google Now. A limited preview of the deleted post that only showed up to the point where he claimed it was not official world first. I had no idea, at that time, why the leader of one of the most well-known guilds was forfeiting his claim to a world first. And I was quite surprised that they had managed to finish it so quicky, given the previous beta raid access was much a smaller section of the wing and took longer.
And that is why Anet needed to make a statement and denounce DnT’s behavior. They were trusted with privileged access and chose to abuse that access for their own gain(fame and ingame rewards). A public clarification was needed to prevent their bragging and trivialization from damaging opinions of the raid, the game, and Anet.
2) They publicly belittled the high end end game content without even providing context. (The fact they were testers)
This is the simple reason. ArenaNet tried to appeal to those wanting challenging content/raiding. Anyone that follows the meta or looks into endgame PvE has likely heard of DnT. From the perspective of someone looking for that type of content, DnT essentially said to pass on this game.
Oh…you mean like the security team lead calling out a player as a cheater flat out, without even looking into it properly?
ArenaNet has to put a lot of trust in you to unban your account. How do you know he wasn’t cheating? He could have easily been using a VPN to mask the other accounts and one day he accidentally logged in normally which got his real accounts flagged.
If it wasn’t for him getting called out, he likely would have never admitted to account sharing himself and support wouldn’t have revealed that fact. In his case, he’s lucky that happened.
As for DnT, they were publicly included and publicly removed. It’s as simple as that.
I am that guy and my very first support ticket starts with me saying that i did share my account along with the reason to do so. Stop with the random copy pastas like this (literally that is all that is yo typed.) if you are not willing to read about it further.
That said, i do not see this as a humiliation as i agree with ANET’s decision to remove DnT. They could’ve waited a while before they make this announcement though. So my opinion on this is that while the decision is not wrong, it could be handled better.
DnT have been providing guides that have simplified the mindset of the community into Zerker! Zerker! Zerker! without consideration for the necessary support that is actually required to support this.
Say what? Zerkers support zerkers just fine.
There’s nothing wrong with zerker meta. People did math. Ran the numbers. They don’t lie. It’s not zerker meta anymore for a few professions and a few encounters. Engineer is better suited to be Condi now.
That being said people that don’t want to run zerker I am sorry to say it’s usually because they are not good at dodging and position and generally playing. So they want to tank up lol just no. ok.
In Tyu’s case, an Anet employee made a bold accusation based on automated flagging, without investigating the matter himself. While there was really cheating and/or other forbidden activity occurring on the account, he should have looked at the situation more carefully before accusing. The accusation was premature and unprofessional.
This was from a senior Anet staff member. The senior SECURITY lead did this. Not only that, but the support staff did nothing for this player. It took a massive heartfelt/desperate public appeal on reddit to even get this looked at. That’s disgusting.
There was no cheating occurring the account… The detected activity was on another player’s account entirely.
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GW2 game mechanics are not like other MMOs. No one tanks. Combat is about not tanking damage and positioning. Up until recently there were no mechanics that favored conditions over zerkers except a few. Those were boss fights like Scarlets knights and Jungle Worm. It made no logical since to run anything but zerker.
@ Yasi….
The bigger picture is about accountability. Anet employees interjecting personal feelings/opinions have none.
A player with 8000 hours of commitment has zero defense against an Anet employee having a bad day, or feels they need to punish a particular player according to their own agenda. That’s fact. That’s the bigger picture.
No, this likely had nothign to do with personality and all to do with how the game is presented and if they could continue to use DNT as testers — which they clearly could not, because they abused their position as testers to brag and denigrate the community.
That’s what it comes down to, DnT members (and somewhat senior ones) did things that testers aren’t allowed to do, so they’re no longer testers.
My opinion is I am upset that ANET caved to the complainers this time. What DNT did has absolutly no real world impact or in game impact on them. They don’t like somthing they read on twitter that had nothing to do about them boo hoo.
This is my opinion I grew up in a generation where we didn’t cry to get what we want if you did that you were called a wimp and were told to man up. Obviously people have the right to cry foul when something is not PC now. But I don’t think this is even in the same boat as PC. People just are bumhurt.
I wish ANET would listen more to its player base about other more important issues. Like PVP balance. State of warriors and Theifs. How unhappy people are with WvW right now. Instead they devote their time to caving to complaints like this. It’s sad its why this game is so bad.
We need to make America great again.
My opinion is I am upset that ANET caved to the complainers this time. What DNT did has absolutly no real world impact or in game impact on them. They don’t like somthing they read on twitter that had nothing to do about them boo hoo.
This is my opinion I grew up in a generation where we didn’t cry to get what we want if you did that you were called a wimp and were told to man up. Obviously people have the right to cry foul when something is not PC now. But I don’t think this is even in the same boat as PC. People just are bumhurt.
I wish ANET would listen more to its player base about other more important issues. Like PVP balance. State of warriors and Theifs. How unhappy people are with WvW right now. Instead they devote their time to caving to complaints like this. It’s sad its why this game is so bad.
We need to make America great again.
A senior member of DnT broke the spirit of the partnership with Anet and Anet decides to no longer continue formally associating with DnT?
Thanks Obama Anet.
@warlord
To repeat the post right above
A company cannot have their testers doing what DnT did, so they can no longer be testers
It’s a very simple breach of trust, and Anet did what any company would have done.
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It’s not like they’re even that hurt except for losing testing status. Anet didn’t exactly ban them all.
Guess some egos have just grown too large to be of any benefit to the community. While I’m not surprised over the poor way DnT worded their announcement (and other comments), I’m glad to hear that Anet has taken suitable measures.
Well done, Anet, one can only hope that for the future, you’ll be able to find/pick guilds with a broader mindset for raid-testing.
My opinion is I am upset that ANET caved to the complainers this time. What DNT did has absolutly no real world impact or in game impact on them. They don’t like somthing they read on twitter that had nothing to do about them boo hoo.
This is my opinion I grew up in a generation where we didn’t cry to get what we want if you did that you were called a wimp and were told to man up. Obviously people have the right to cry foul when something is not PC now. But I don’t think this is even in the same boat as PC. People just are bumhurt.
I wish ANET would listen more to its player base about other more important issues. Like PVP balance. State of warriors and Theifs. How unhappy people are with WvW right now. Instead they devote their time to caving to complaints like this. It’s sad its why this game is so bad.
We need to make America great again.
Most people who don’t play or follow GW2 may see the tweets and the news that a guild has beat the new raid in 15 minutes just after its release from other MMO news sources and then think ANet has made them poorly. Those people don’t know that DNT was put on the testing team. They could also have been potential customers who were interested in the upcoming raid.
DNT tweets and posts were full on gloating and belittlement and made no mention of them having access to unlimited testing for a month. Even I didn’t know and I have been playing this whole time. ANet did the right thing in stating that they removed DNT from the testing group and why they did it especially when they announced that they included DNT in the testing group.
https://dviw3bl0enbyw.cloudfront.net/uploads/forum_attachment/file/211994/22.jpg
The first post there is very disrespectful to ANet.
kittening.
amazing.
In Tyu’s case, an Anet employee made a bold accusation based on automated flagging, without investigating the matter himself. While there was really cheating and/or other forbidden activity occurring on the account, he should have looked at the situation more carefully before accusing. The accusation was premature and unprofessional.
This was from a senior Anet staff member. The senior SECURITY lead did this. Not only that, but the support staff did nothing for this player. It took a massive heartfelt/desperate public appeal on reddit to even get this looked at. That’s disgusting.
There was no cheating occurring the account… The detected activity was on another player’s account entirely.
There actually was, as the offending software was active while that account was being accessed by the other person. It’s clearly stated in this reply from Anet in the very reddit topic you linked. https://www.reddit.com/r/Guildwars2/comments/3rfdmt/hello_reddit_it_is_me_tyu_again_i_had_a_post/cwpkpeg
That situation was bad, though. I’m not going to defend it as if it’s not. Appealing a wrongful ban(though Anet was well within their rights to ban this guy for two separate offenses) can have way more hoops and hurdles than it should. And there was no reason or need for the public callout/shaming. But that case is also very different than what happened with DnT. I don’t see the two instance as being very comparable.
The two unrelated, and dissimilar, incidents are not evidence of some “culture” of harassment and bullying by Anet.
Arenanet and this community need to lighten up. Who cares if they claim to be first, of course they would be. This was obviously going to to be the case when they decided to give early access to players. If you’re hurt that you and your guild aren’t first simply tell yourselves that they don’t count. It isn’t like WoW where you get an achievement for getting world first.
What’s wrong with you people?
Can I just say,
#FirstShame. This must be the new hashtag to associate with the clowns known as DnT LOL
Arenanet and this community need to lighten up. Who cares if they claim to be first, of course they would be. This was obviously going to to be the case when they decided to give early access to players. If you’re hurt that you and your guild aren’t first simply tell yourselves that they don’t count. It isn’t like WoW where you get an achievement for getting world first.
What’s wrong with you people?
There’s 2 elements here:
1) Rightful action by Anet to remove problematic testers from their program
2) Entirely natural schadenfreude that you get when people are jerks and then immediately get blown up for being jerks.
People are a lot less mad at DnT than they are enjoying a case of the birds coming home to roost. You might not think that’s a terribly postiive attitude either, but you don’t get to be tastemaker any more than I do, do you?
There’s 2 elements here:
1) Rightful action by Anet to remove problematic testers from their program
2) Entirely natural schadenfreude that you get when people are jerks and then immediately get blown up for being jerks.
People are a lot less mad at DnT than they are enjoying a case of the birds coming home to roost. You might not think that’s a terribly postiive attitude either, but you don’t get to be tastemaker any more than I do, do you?
I’m not seeing what they did as problematic or that they were being ‘elitist jerks’. I didn’t take their comments on twitter to be a serious jab at Arenanet, the players or the game, hence my comment you people need to lighten up. The hypersensitivity surrounding this community is astounding.
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There’s 2 elements here:
1) Rightful action by Anet to remove problematic testers from their program
2) Entirely natural schadenfreude that you get when people are jerks and then immediately get blown up for being jerks.
People are a lot less mad at DnT than they are enjoying a case of the birds coming home to roost. You might not think that’s a terribly postiive attitude either, but you don’t get to be tastemaker any more than I do, do you?
I’m not seeing what they did as problematic or that they were being ‘elitist jerks’. I didn’t take their comments on twitter to be a serious jab at Arenanet, the players or the game, hence my comment you people need to lighten up. The hyper-sensitivity surrounding this community is astounding.
Any company employing testers would see it that way, it’s a pretty clearcut case of something you don’t want representing or associated with your company.
More importantly, try to think outside of your own head. It’s not that hard to get why others would see bragging #first (especially in this context) as obnoxious behavior. (I never said elitist though, you inserted that). You may not agree, but you’ve got to understand.
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